Hey, Mike, how are we doing?
Hi, Paul. This is great. I'm doing great.
Excellent. I like the background very serene.
Thanks. Yeah, so I guess it'll just be me and you today. And so I'd like to do,
um, an interview if you feel, um,
you have time for it to get into some Oh, certainly amazing stories,
amazing details of your life. Um, this is kind of like, uh,
my first attempt at a podcast, basically,
where I'm interviewing a lot of different people and having a lot of different
conversations around, well, I'm calling it ascension workers. So really,
I feel like it, it is a process of, of work that we have to do to, to, um,
ascend together as a com, as a community, as a collective, working on the,
the job of raising consciousness as much as we can on Earth.
So I feel like, um, you know, I,
I see some similarities between me and you and that you,
you were very called to, um, uh, start, start your own local,
uh, discussion group around the subject of ETS and UFOs,
and you've had your own contact experiences and, uh,
I, I've been a very appreciative of all, all the stories you've shared.
So I'd love to hear a little bit more about your background and how,
how did you first feel like you were starting to awaken to the subject of ETS
and UFOs?
Yeah, it actually goes back a long, long time. Um, let's see,
how would I start this? Uh, probably, uh, about 1972,
when I was about seven years old or so friend and I were, uh, I grew up in, uh,
long Island, New York, and, uh, just jumped out of the pool.
We went to the front of the house, uh, to wait for the ice cream man.
And basically we just looked up and out of nowhere, uh,
a large silver disc shaped object appeared on top of my neighbor's home,
and we were little kids. Um, we were just looking at it like, you know,
what the hell is that? Made no noise.
It was about the size of the house and it kind of, it just hovered there.
Uh, and then it kind of slowly, um, moved from, uh,
right to left and we kind of chased it. And then as we went down the road, uh,
when we got to the end of the block, it just disappeared a million,
million miles an hour, which just zip like as, as it always, as, uh,
you always hear, uh,
from people's stories just there was there and then it was gone.
So it was quite interesting cuz I was a, a young kid,
didn't really know what was going on. And then, uh, we went back to the house,
my friend and I, and uh, we just told everybody. And, you know, who knows?
I don't even remember what happened, but that was the end of that. Um,
And how old were you again?
I was probably about seven, I believe it was 1972.
Interest to talk about that with those particular friends.
Did you have any bond with those friends who saw it?
I did. And the funny thing was about him, uh, with the guy I saw her with, was
he, um, let's see, how do we remember this now? So basically, uh, he,
he didn't live in New York at the time. He, he was visiting his, uh, uh,
my next door neighbor, which was his relatives. So many, many years went by.
And then, um, I actually saw him,
I re kind of reunited with him probably about let's say 10,
12 years in the future. And it was kind of funny cuz over those years,
I mean, I, I I, I started to, I remember the event,
but then I questioned myself, was this a a real event or was it just a dream?
And then I reunited with this kid at, uh, his grandmother's funeral.
And the first thing I, I remember asking him was, Hey, Tom,
do you remember we were little kids and we saw that spaceship or whatever that
thing was over our neighbor's house. And he says, yeah, you remember that?
I said, do you remember that? And he's, yeah. So now it,
it became clear that this was a real event. And, um,
it was kind of funny too because now we're 18,
19 years old and we started to talk about different things and he starts telling
me that, you know, when I was a kid,
I used to have this reoccurring dream that I was floating over your,
your front yard. And I said, that's, that's amazing.
Because I used to have the same recurring dream that I was floating.
It was like I was out of my body and he mentioned my lamppost, uh,
which is like a, you know, like a light in the front of the neighborhood.
And I used to basically just float,
like I was out of my body as a little kid. And I always remembered the dream,
cuz it was, it was, it was fun. I liked it. And when he said it, I,
I was kind of shocked.
So that was my first basically introduction into UFOs. Somebody reached out.
I mean, they, they showed up in front of my house at a, in a giant spaceship.
Now this is funny too, because probably about two years ago,
I'm sitting in my home and in Florida and something in my head said,
Google your experience in 1972.
So I listened and um, sure enough, I, um, it's,
it was in the newspapers that a large U f o disc like object was seen
hovering over the highway. There, people got out, they, they looked at it.
So it was, it was a pretty big event, and it just happened to be in 1972.
So it was funny here, you know, 40 something,
50 years later in the future that I'm getting this message in my head to Google
the event. And sure enough, it was documented that many,
many people in New York saw that, uh, that spaceship. So it was pretty cool.
Yeah, that's, that's, that's great. Um, yeah. Yeah, it's,
it's almost seems like there's, there,
there's possibly something that's shifted where there's fewer sightings like
that, that occur, um,
in where it's very low to the ground and a lot of people are able to see it.
I'm not sure if that relates to agreements between governments or the,
the way that the Air Force is handling the situation. Um,
that's my speculation though, that, that it seems like, um,
you hear more of those stories from the fifties,
sixties and seventies than you do from the eighties, nineties.
Although we do hear some amazing stories from people, um, in, in our meetings.
Um, a a very similar close encounters.
It's just usually it's not mass sightings so much as it used to be, I guess.
Well, I don't know. Um, I haven't seen any, like, um,
that was the first time I really ever saw, well, maybe twice, but that was the,
the most distinct object that I've ever seen ever since then.
It's been a lot of balls of light, a lot of, lot of, uh, orbs.
And since I met you guys, I mean, I, I'm sure Mark's been telling you, but we,
every, every time we've been together, we've been seeing a lot of crazy stuff.
Uh, we went to, um, I don't know if you saw my post,
but we went to Skin Walker Ranch two weeks ago. Um,
couldn't see anything. I mean, you get to the, you get to the gate in Utah,
and then we got yelled at by the, uh, by the, um,
uh, there was like a voice, uh, came over the loudspeaker that says,
you are trespassing and we have you on video. So me and my, uh, my, uh,
mark and my wife, we just left. But when we went back to the hotel,
we were sitting, you know, uh, looking up at the sky,
it was getting close towards sunset, and we saw an orb and my wife said, oh,
look at that. Is, is that Venus? And I said, no, Venus is not even up yet. Or,
or actually Venus was already up, but it was to the left.
So the orb was there for about three or four seconds, and then it disappeared.
Uh, mark captured something on video, but uh, it might have just been birds,
but at least we got to see something over in that area.
Yeah, yeah. It's mis orbs are very mysterious, how many, um,
sightings there are and how they,
they seem to be able to come in and out of our reality. And we just, like, I'll,
I'll see, I'll see orbs sort of randomly when I'm not, not expecting it.
Even when we're having our discussion meetings,
I'll sometimes see orbs bloating in the middle of,
of the very translucent color, not completely solid or, or, or,
uh, radiant, but they're,
but there'll be a translucent orb flow floating in between people who are
talking.
And so I don't know if that's a different kind of life form than the kind that,
that we see as, uh,
more bright and vibrant in the sky that seems like it could be a craft or maybe
craft that has, um, shrunk itself down into a, a ball or something like that.
Yeah, it's a lot of speculation for me.
Yeah. It's, uh,
and obviously the military is seeing these things now they're all of a sudden,
you know, putting them on, uh, on TV and showing everybody what, uh,
they've captured on video. Uh, as soon as I got to Colorado, I, I saw an orb.
It was kinda like, welcome to Colorado. And this thing went, um,
it was in the east and it went, uh, to the left quick and to the right quick.
And I got it on video and my friend analyzed it. Uh,
he's a computer guy and he's like, man, that's pretty compelling. I mean,
there's no engines, there's no sound. And the way the movement was,
and it was during the day. Um, and then since I've been here,
I've probably seen like 20 different things already with you guys mostly,
and with, uh, our group. And, um, we did a, uh,
a CE five up at Kevin's house, uh, about a month ago. It was freezing up there,
and we did the meditation and, uh, as soon as I opened my eyes,
the orb was right there who was knocking on my door,
I guess I could share for people who are not familiar. So basically, I, I,
I host a meetup group in Colorado Springs called the ET disclosure and Contact,
if you live in Colorado, you can come visit us.
There's a discussion group and there's a CE five meditation that I host monthly.
And so we've been doing those at different locations, uh,
around Colorado Springs. Um,
and lately we've been getting some interesting sightings.
Certainly the last one, the last one we had, um,
it was south of Colorado Springs. I had, um,
a contact which felt very, um, special to me,
but was very full of love with seeing, seeing the light in the sky. And it,
it moved in a way that I, it was not straight line, but I, I can't describe it.
It felt like a brush stroke, and I saw it several times over,
over a one minute period. Um, and it feels like, you know,
there's so many ways in which they can, uh, manifest, but although,
although there does seem to be some, um,
some restriction to how long they show up for,
I don't know if it's related to people's free will, that they,
that they don't wanna make anyone afraid if they do anything too,
too anomalous for people who are not ready for it yet.
That's something I've always wondered. But there,
there's endless speculation about what's going on with CE five events. I know,
and some people think you need to meditate,
some people think you don't need to meditate. And I, I'm of the opinion,
it just matters.
If you're have the right vibration and you're not gonna be negatively affected
by it, then positive beings, I feel,
can give us the catalyst and inspiration that we need to, to,
to continue in some elevated way in our own lives.
And I think that's part of the,
the increase in consciousness is that these contact experiences are allowed to
increase.
Tell you, um, I mean the,
the spaceship sighting for me was amazing back in the day, but in 1990,
I think I told you, a long time ago, I saw this ball of light, again, orb,
and it came in front of my, my, my face. It was like 20 feet away.
And that changed my life.
That actually opened me up to becoming a spiritual person. Like,
something from out there showed me who I am on the inside,
and I started to research this and that. But seeing the shot, you
Get the full details there. What, what, how did that start that?
Yeah, so in 1990, I was, uh,
and actually even six months before I started writing like poems about UFOs and
how they're gonna take me up one day, uh, on their ship when the, when,
when something happens. And then six months later, in December of 1990,
I, uh, I basically came outside. I was in Florida, uh, south Florida, and,
um, about two 30 in the morning, I was totally straight. No drugs, no,
no alcohol, and just, I used to always look up at the sky. Anyway, I,
I used to like to hopefully see a meteor or something. And then sure enough,
I see a meteor boom.
And then two seconds later I see this glowing orb about the size of a small
basketball appear again on top of my neighbor's house, which is pretty close.
And I'm staring at this thing like, you know, what the hell is that?
I've never really seen anything before since, or, or before I should say.
And then it kind of came, it was like a, it was moving very weird, no noise.
And, uh, it was, it was like a heartbeat monitor going like, uh, up and down,
up and down. Like you see like the, uh, uh, and basically
this thing was, it was, it's hard to describe, but it was like,
like I would say pulsating or just there,
it literally, if it was 20 feet from me, it, it was a lot. I mean,
I almost like reach out and touch it, and it was just going up and down, up and,
and down. But when it went up and down,
you didn't see the up and down movement. It was up then it was down,
then it was up, then it was down, but there was no, you didn't see it move.
It was kind of like interdimensional. Like it was there for a second,
and now it was on the bottom.
And this lasted for about maybe six or seven minutes.
And then slowly it just moved very, very slowly to my left.
And then just before it hit this tree, it disappeared. If I stood there in awe,
I didn't know what I was seeing. I didn't know,
I wasn't even thinking u f o at that point. I had no idea what it was.
It wasn't a bird, it wasn't a bug. It was, it was dark, it was nighttime.
Nobody would've flashlight. It was just a floating ball of light.
And then when the next day when I woke up, I was like a new person.
I had like this ravenous quest to learn. Four things were in my mind, who am I?
Where did I come from? Where am I going,
and what am I supposed to do while I'm on this planet?
So I started to read and read and read and read. And then I started to meditate.
And somebody told me in my mind, like, start writing down your dreams. So I did.
And then in was 20 years of just wonderment, of dreams writing down.
And uh,
and then I thought overseeing things and the meditation was really helpful.
I think that was like the main thing I was learning to, you know,
calm down and just relax and just, um, you know, just be,
and then I was, I was, uh, again, they were, they were showing up, uh, again.
And I saw 'em with a couple of people. I saw a ship one time,
same location in south Florida. Had like port holes.
It was like five 30 in the afternoon. And I remember this, uh,
very clearly cuz of, of the, it was like a,
a ship that I saw and it had like these five little windows.
And then it went away, and I ran inside to get my video camera. And sure enough,
it actually came back. And, uh, and then it just disappeared.
And my friend was there, uh, uh, I got it on video,
but back then the video cameras were, you know, not so good. And it was, uh,
not the light greatest lighting, but, you know, over the years I've seen, uh,
many, many objects, uh, in Florida with, with people. And then,
uh, I was traveling a lot and I saw a whole bunch of things in Sedona. Um,
so it just continued. And here we are, you know, since 1990. It was at, uh,
33 years later. And I, I, I mean, I must have
a thousand times I've seen these things.
I eventually moved to another home in Florida and my backyard was like a
hotspot. I don't know what was going on over there, but as soon as I got there,
I started seeing weird flashes in the sky and strange things.
And then I had people over and they all started too.
And it was just a continuation. Uh, in 1997,
um, kind of go actually going back, uh,
I had my first contact experience basically. And, uh,
I was on my way to a, oh, actually, I think I told you guys in the, uh,
in the meeting, but, um, on a Friday morning,
I was, I basically had a dream. And in the dream I woke up,
like out of my body on a beach, and I think it was California.
It was kind of weird. But all of a sudden in front of me, I saw this stuff like,
uh, from Star Trek, remember these, the Scotty beat me up,
like they were dematerializing on the, on the, on Star Trek show. Well,
I saw this stuff, which was like material or whatever,
and all of a sudden it came, it turned into a man.
And when he turned into a man, he had this like,
energy coming out of him like this, um, love energy. And he said, in my mind,
we're gonna contact you. We're gonna contact you. He says,
we are the pla of the interdimensional angel realm.
You're a part of our grouping. And I'm like, okay, great. Sounds great. I mean,
I dunno who we are, what you are,
but the energy coming outta this guy was very interesting.
It was just like love, it was like divine almost. And, um, I felt very,
you know, really nice being around him. And then he disappeared. And then,
um,
that Sunday I had contacted the Florida Sun Central newspaper probably nine
months before saying that I'm gonna start a public discussion group on UFOs and
ets and just to give people a place to, uh, to talk and, you know,
share their stories and stuff like that. And, um, the,
the, the reporter wanted to do an interview on me, and I'm like, nah,
I don't wanna, I don't wanna do that. I'm just contacting the paper and I don't,
you know,
put a little blurb back there and let people know that we're gonna be at this
hotel. So he ended up contacting me a few months after he says, listen,
I really wanna do an interview on you. It's a very po popular subject.
Back then, the X-Files was very popular in 1998, so forth.
Um, it was 1998, I believe. So anyway, long story short.
So I ended up, um, okay, I agreed. The guy came to my house,
spoke to me for about two hours, and ended up shaking my hand and saying,
thanks for not being crazy. And I'm like, okay. You know,
I was a mental health therapist at the time. I used to help people and I,
I knew I'm not crazy as far as I, I understood.
And I was just giving people an format to speak about their experiences,
to make, you know, connections and see what would come from it.
So this weekend I wake up on a Sunday morning,
two days after I just met this play, Ian Guy. And my face,
my name, and my phone number is on the front page of a Sunday,
the main newspaper there. And I said in Florida, like,
who are you gonna call in South Florida if you see a U F O?
And me and the guy did such a good interview, uh, our article on me,
he didn't make me look crazy. He actually made me look very good.
He could have destroyed my life, but he didn't. He,
he found it very interesting.
And so now it's Sunday morning and my phone is ringing off the hook and I'm on
this in the newspaper and people are calling and, and I'm like, what's going on?
And my mom's like, you're in the newspaper. And like, go to the next door.
And I get the newspaper and sure enough, there's my face and my phone number.
So now radio stations are calling and people are calling and they're telling me
all kinds of stuff. And I'm like, this is amazing. So,
uh, a radio station had called and they wanted me to come visit them on, um, uh,
actually let me, let me jump back. So this is Sunday morning.
So Sunday evening I go to my parents' house for dinner and we're talking,
and my father's like an old retired, uh, police officer, military guy, and,
you know, not really into this kind of stuff. And not really spiritual,
just a hardcore kind of great person, loving man,
but just not a spiritual person at all. And, um, you know,
we're talking about my article and how the, uh, you know,
looks in the newspaper. And so I said, you know, it's amazing.
I had a really interesting dream the other night. So my father says, well,
interesting you say that. So did I. So I,
I let him talk and he starts describing the exact experience that I just had.
He woke up in his dream and he was on a beach,
and all of a sudden this stuff turned into a man.
And he ended up having a conversation with this guy. And, um, he said, you know,
he, he actually decided to retire and live his life and, you know,
and he ended up doing that. And, uh, I said, describe the guy. He says, well,
he, cuz I didn't tell you before,
but my guy looked like he had this like blue suit on and like, uh,
gray hair and like goggles over his, uh, eyes. And,
and my father described the exact same being, oh yeah,
this guy had a blue suit on and gray hair and goggles,
and I couldn't believe it. I'm like, that, I,
I can't believe you just said that because I just had to,
I was just about to tell you the same experience that I had. He says, really?
I said, you saw the same being that I did. He said, yes, I guess I did.
So he ended up deciding to retire, which was really cool.
Was that something that was discussed by this person in the, in the,
in the dream that he had?
It was the same exact he, he described the same exact being and how it,
how it actually, you know, showed up at his dream out of nowhere
To give. Did he give him a message too?
His message was, you should retire and just go live your life. I see.
Yep, that makes sense. Yeah,
He was working for like 35 years already as a police officer,
and so he ended up listening and he did retire. And,
uh, the interesting thing was, so now about, you know,
the radio stations to call me, asking me to come on and TV stations.
And so I ended up saying, okay, I'm gonna go to visit this radio station,
uh, on Friday. So, uh, Friday comes, i,
I drive about an hour to a place called West Palm Beach,
and I get there and the, the the manager says, I'm sorry,
we can't do the interview today. Um, the guy was sick,
could you come back another day? Yeah, no problem.
So I go home and I actually go back to sleep.
So now I wake up in my house and I'm out of my body and in
my house are, let's say five beings, for lack of a better term.
And they kind of look like me. They, they look human. They had like long hair.
I had long hair at the time, and a beard, a mustache, and kinda like,
they had like camping gear on,
and the energy coming out of this was just magnified.
It was like this gentleman from five days ago,
but now it's all this love energy coming out of these beings.
And they kept saying, in my mind,
we are the pleas of the interdimensional angelic realm.
You are part of our grouping and we're gonna contact you and work with you.
And you know, they said a whole bunch of stuff, but uh, something like,
when the shift happens in the future, you're gonna be like helping out.
And I'm like, okay, that, that all sounds great,
but I'm seeing my body on my bed, like, kind of like through my wall.
So I'm out of my body and these beings are in my house. And, and I'm like, well,
I don't understand. How am I here talking to you? But my body is over there?
It didn't make any sense. I didn't understand my,
I I never really understood my out of body experience like that.
And they said something to the effect that, I don't know what they said,
but they kinda like touched my, my my out of body or whatever.
And now I was doing like telesis, I was moving stuff with my mind.
They were teaching me how to mo do use my mind for, for certain things. So I,
I remember lifting my TV up with my mind and, uh, bottles and stuff like that.
It was the most amazing,
unbelievable experience I've probably ever had before since.
And then when I woke up, I'm looking around, I'm like, was that a dream?
Was that real? I mean this, I, I can't believe it. This was like unbelievable.
So I wrote it down and then, um, a lot of,
a lot of cool stuff were happening after that in my house at a time.
I had a friend who was living with me and I was in my kitchen. I mean, uh,
something touched me on my arm and I was awake and it was felt like a,
a beautiful just light touch on my arm,
kind of like somebody was letting me know that they were there.
And then I told my friend and 20 minutes later he said,
something just happened to me. I, I felt the same thing.
And he was actually kind of going through the same experience as I was, um,
seeing stuff in the sky. And it was kinda like a parallel friendship.
Everything that was happening was, to me, was also happening to him.
And then we would travel to Sedona together and uh,
we then we saw some spaceships there. But, um, uh,
the third dream was basically myself, my friend,
and the seven foot tall looking warrior looking guy. And we were, um,
walking around a school where I grew up in New York,
and he didn't say anything to me that I remember,
but the next day when I woke up, I said, Hey,
I had one of those dreams again with one of those pla he said, oh my God,
so did i, I said, what happened to you? He says, well, you,
me and some seven foot tall warrior looking guy were walking around some school
area. I said, dude, that's exactly what happened to me.
So he was actually in the experience in the dream with me, with this being,
and he described the same thing that I did.
So this all happened within like a few month period of my father and myself in
the newspaper. So it was very, it was very, uh,
just amazing experience for me.
Do you feel like that was like programmed into your incarnation that you agreed
to be of service in a particular way?
Do you feel like they were activating you for your mission in some way?
It seemed to be,
it seemed that they were saying that to some future mission that I'm gonna be,
you know, helping people. And I've always been a helper kind of a person anyway.
I've always kinda like, um,
tried to help people and ended up becoming a therapist to try to help people,
but even without the educational that I've always been there to try to help
people.
So it seems that they were preparing me for something and they said something
about the shift in the future.
And then this is another interesting thing that I'm, I just reminded myself of.
Um, I,
I was telling a friend about some recent experiences that I had and she says,
oh, you should go have a reading with my friend. She's very spiritual.
And she goes and channels and she always tells people some pretty cool things.
So, ooh, yeah, set that up, I'd like to do that.
So even before this meeting took place,
I had a dream and I was given three words and three words were seek
the mystic. I wrote it down, seek the mystic.
So now I ended up meeting this w it is just a dream.
I wrote these three words down,
another week goes by and I ended up meeting this lady and within,
and I didn't really tell my friend who set this thing up, uh, too much,
so she couldn't tell anybody what just happened to me.
I just told her some basic stuff.
So I get to this other lady's house and she starts questioning me,
and within like three or four minutes, she goes from a regular woman talking to,
she starts channeling and her voice changed and she became very monotone and she
said, um, you know,
we are the plaid of the interdimensional realm and you are part of us and you're
gonna be, uh, helping people with the, when the shift happens.
And she starts telling me all kinds of different things. And I'm like, I, I,
I'm just amazed because nobody ever knew a week before that I just met these
other pleidian beings who use the same word.
We are the pple of the interdimensional angelic realm,
Very specific. And
You're, yeah, and you're part of the grouping, whatever that means. And,
and then I asked her questions about my friend and I, I asked her questions,
actually. I asked her about what, what was that thing I saw when I was a child?
This the first spaceship. And she says, well, you could have, you know,
you could have climbed, you could have went on, um, that ship,
but you didn't at that time. So that was a real event.
She kind of related to me and I'm like, what is the connection with my friend?
And she says, oh, you my friend who I keep experiencing these things, were you,
she said, you and him were placed here thousands of years ago. Again,
I don't even know what that means. I was placed on earth thousands of years ago.
I don't know, I I, it was, it was just so overwhelming.
I couldn't even like ask like, good questions, you know? Uh, it was just,
it was like, how,
how does this person even know what I'm talking about with these Palladian?
And then she said something to the effect, again, this is like, you know,
25, 27 years ago, she said something to the effect that, yeah,
when the shift happens, you should be looking, uh, in the Colorado area, uh,
to live.
And that's kind of what compelled me to come out here so many years later,
things had to happen and,
and I ended up a business that I was gonna ended up taking over to this
marijuana company that just happens to be in Colorado. So it all kinda like,
you know, here I am and everything from there. And then, you know,
like I said,
I was compelled to start my own public discussion group that people were showing
up and all kinds of strange experiences, great stories, um,
several similar stories to mine. Um,
actually something just popped into my head too. So my,
my ball of light experience was in 1990 and then in 1992 a movie came out
with Tra Travolta called Phenomena. And basically in the movie, he goes outside,
he looks up with a sky and it's, uh, on his birthday. And my,
my experiences was pretty close to my birthday in 1990, in December.
And in the movie, he looks up,
sees this strange flash of light and it kind of knocks him down.
He wakes up and now his whole life is changed instantly.
He starts reading and he starts acquiring knowledge. Like me,
I I read like 600 books in like a year. I couldn't stop.
I wanted to know everything again,
relating to spirituality and UFOs and ancient history and archeology and
everything there is to know about who we are, where we came from,
where we're going, what am I supposed to do. That was the, the the, um, the,
I guess the knowledge that they,
they wanted me to learn in the movie John Travolta, he's doing the same thing.
And when I'm watching this movie, I'm like,
I can't believe this movie is happening. This,
this happened to me and now there's a movie about it. I mean,
so now I'm realizing that this is obviously happening to other people around the
world and it wasn't just me. So it, it was really cool coincidence. And then,
like I said,
I had my own public discussion group probably 10 ye eight years later because of
the, uh, this, the, uh, article of the newspaper. And then I remember one guy,
he came from upstate New York and he brought this wood carving.
And in the wood carving was this spaceship and it was uh, uh,
a man and a dog looking at the ship. And that's what he remembered.
Him and his dog were upstate New York. All of a sudden,
this object and the thing that he created in the woodcut was exactly what I saw,
this dis shaped object that looked like the Billy Meyer ships. And uh,
it was actually too,
cuz Billy Meyer was pretty popular in the early seventies and that's when he was
having his experiences. And then here,
this man was upstate New York in the early seventies and he saw this disc and
it's, you know, it's so inspired him,
he actually made this wood carving and he put the spaceship in there.
So he's relating his story. I'm getting goosebumps cuz he's, you know,
he's describing and he brought this thing that looked exactly what I saw.
My wife is cooking. So the group was just amazing because everybody was,
you know, sharing their experience. And that was the whole point, like, you do,
you know, you want to hear from a,
a person over here and let's see what the person over there says,
and let's see what the coincidences are, let's see who's actually having the,
the same. So anyway, so everybody was, you know,
sharing their experiences and we were making a lot of connections.
And then this one girl,
I remember she actually had this something in her thumb and I had something
kinda like in my thumb and we actually went to a doctor to take x-rays of it and
we didn't find anything in there, but it was just a strange coincidence. Uh,
but a lot, like I said, a lot of people were sharing their experiences and um,
that was the whole point of the,
the groups and we did it for a couple of years and different places and stuff
like that.
Yeah. I could ask you some questions more since you have, you've seen the what,
what, what it's like in Colorado Springs here. And I,
I've always wondered if it's basically the same thing everywhere.
If you find people who are abee who talk about being taken on
ships, um, or be be talk about stories from when they were young. Talk about,
you know, the, the, uh, imaginary friends who aren't actually imaginary,
they're actually beings. Um, and or the missing time stories.
People seem to be driving in their car,
they see something and then next thing they know it's a different period of
time.
A lot of people shared exactly that. That was the interesting thing,
cuz I was also not only doing groups,
I was actually going to people's homes because, uh,
just to privately and talk with them privately. And I met a couple who are,
you know, just ordinary people. The the wife as a teacher, the,
the husband was an engineer and they had nobody else to talk to back then,
but they knew I was doing these groups. So somebody contacted, you know, um,
me from them and I went to their home and they started to tell me their story
and kinda blew me away. They were like, you know,
we don't even know how to begin, but my, our, we,
one night they were paralyzed in their bed and their children
were being taken, and the kids were basically telling,
telling their parents about, you know,
meeting their new friends. And they were very,
very small and childlike. And then one of them,
they were like floating out the window and then they were,
they were brought back to their room and the parents like,
were like stuck in their bed. They couldn't even move.
And like the next day they found tree branches in the kid's bed
as a kid was being returned back to the, the, the bedroom.
She grabbed a hold of a,
of a leaf or a tree branch and brought it back to the bed. I mean,
how do you explain that? And, uh, it was repeatedly. And then we started to,
I started to question them and it turns out that, that her mother,
the wife's mother and the grandmother, they were having experiences.
And there was another lady too that showed up. I remember her,
she was very nice. Uh, this lady called Olive. And um,
olive was telling me she was from New Jersey and she was abducted many,
many times. Didn't so much have missing time, but it turns out again,
her family was being taken, her mother was an abductee,
her children and the grandchildren. So it was this generational thing going on.
Those are some of the ones that, um, stood out in my mind.
And there's another gentleman I met from somebody in, in one of those groups.
And one of the coolest things he told me was he was,
he was abducted since he was a child. And, uh, he actually,
at first he was afraid,
but then he kind of got warmed up to them and he realized that they're not here
to hurt 'em. And they ended up, you know,
teaching him about many different things.
But the most compelling thing that he told me was one time in his mind,
they showed him every single life he ever had on this earth.
Going back to when he was a monkey. I was like, what? I mean, it was amazing.
He said it was the most amazing thing.
Like I saw all my previous lives and I was a monkey at first,
and then they merged with me and they, you know, and then I became a human.
And then every single lifetime that he had on this earth,
he got to see in his mind. Uh, that was pretty cool. And he was,
he was pretty legitimate. He was actually in a couple of documentaries.
I forgot his name now. He was on TV a couple of times after that. Um,
then I was going to the, um, the U F O conferences. I met Dr. Roger Leer,
who he passed away now, but if you remember him, he was a, a, a podiatrist,
but he got interested because people were go into him and they had these foreign
objects in his, in, in their body.
And he actually surgically removed a few implants.
And I met this guy and I sat down with him at the conference and we had a great
conversation. You know, he wasn't a U f O enthusiast, he just happened. Um,
he just happened to, I don't know how it got into it, but, um,
he was removing these implants and when they got 'em, uh, you, you,
you couldn't cut into 'em. They were like some kind of biological little,
you know, very small little object. But it compelled him to,
they start getting into the U F o, uh,
abduction thing and people would tell him their stories and they remember he
remembered them saying that, yeah,
I was taking on board and they implanted me and they stuck something up my nose
and they stuck something in my toe or my, my finger. And sure enough, you know,
through technology, you actually removed these things. That was pretty cool.
Yeah, lot of, lot of interesting stories over the years for sure.
Yeah, it's amazing how much evidence there is.
That's actually physical that people have now that it's like the,
the mainstream just can't handle it yet.
But I guess hopefully we're ramping up to a point where people can begin to be
open, open-minded more. I think that's happening now.
I agree in 30 years and, and I've been involved in this.
I mean so many things have come on tv, all these documentaries,
and then you have the NASA videos, then you have the government videos.
So it seems that we've obviously changed.
The shift has taken place into the attitude of earth. You know,
you ask anybody out there, any kid, any adult, oh, about aliens. And you know,
years ago they didn't believe it. 70, I think the last poll they did,
like 75% of people polled totally believe we're not alone.
Aliens have been coming here forever.
And now the government has finally started to put out their own videos and they,
they're telling you, we don't know where these things come.
They're not made from earth, they're not ours. Uh,
NASA just had some public discussion group the other day and I mean,
they have some great video of objects showing up right next to the space station
and then taking off.
So finally it's coming out there and maybe we're getting closer.
And I was also told,
I think I told you a while ago that I was told many years ago,
there's gonna be a gradual and then all at once, well, we're seeing a,
we've seen definitely a gradual change in earth and now we're just waiting for
the all at once, whatever. That's gonna be the, I don't know, the shift of the,
of the polls or I don't know.
So this was something that was communicated by these,
I guess the interdimensional angelic realm play when you first were
hovering out of your body and they,
they told you about a shift that was happening,
but they didn't say what this meant in the physical dimension.
They just meant that it was a, a spiritual shift.
I don't really remember, but it was some kind, they just used the word shift.
When the earth will shift upwards,
the ascension process will begin, something like that,
an ascension process will begin. So I took it more as uh, like a physical shift,
but it could be a combination of the, the, the spiritual with the physical,
a gradual and then all at once.
So the implication is that there's a gradual shifting and then there's an all
atone shifting that happens at some point in the gradual timeframe,
I believe. So. And then years later, you know, NASA was talking about how the,
the, the poles of the earth are gonna be potentially shifting and changing
and you know,
there was a map back then like in America after the shift and it showed like
the,
the oceans coming into almost the center of the company country on both sides.
And that's why Colorado was kind of safe.
Cause we're kinda like in the middle of the country there,
the oceans wouldn't get that far in and the mountain would stop any water.
And that, that's kind of why she was saying like, uh, you know,
Colorado would be a good place for you to be. So yeah,
maybe the earth will actually shift on, its on its axis,
which just has done before. And then, you know,
they know the procession of equinoxes happens every like 26,000
years or something.
And maybe that's that next shift that they were talking about a physical earth
shift. And if the physical earth shifts,
our minds will be aligned to a different frequency in the universe if our,
if our whole planet moves. So maybe they were relating to something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
There've been many different stories of the ascension that are said in a way
that I would call veiled. I don't think they want to inspire any fear in people.
And I think it, it may, it may not.
The physical things don't even really matter compared to the spiritual things in
the sense that if we, if we have to die,
we can just take on a new body and we'll,
we'll continue in the way that we need to with the way that we want to with, um,
with the natural flow of reincarnation cycles. Um, it's just what are we,
what body do we need? And are we ready for an upgraded body?
I think that there's a chance that, you know,
the younger kids being born today definitely have more,
more spiritual openness maybe maybe their genetics are already shifting where
they're more able to tap into psychic phenomenon. And I'm very excited for,
for my son to see how much he can, uh, telepath and that kind of thing.
Yeah, you should question him too, uh, as, as they're growing,
ask him questions before they get like, uh, socialized. I used to always ask,
um, um, my,
my nephew when he was young about different things and see if he remembered
anything. Never, nothing, nothing too compelling. But yeah, this,
this earth is now the people rein carding supposedly are for that next
generation that's, they're, they're much more precocious,
they're much more open-minded. They're coming in with information.
So obviously this planet isn't turmoil.
Maybe it's always been in turmoil and maybe it's gonna continue in turmoil.
I don't know anymore, but, uh, I just keep going day by day.
But it does seem that we're heading towards something that will be very
beneficial to the earth. I I never lived in any kind of fear about it.
I always thought that a spaceship was gonna take me off this planet,
and then they kind of told me that basically,
and then it'll settle down and we'll,
we'll come back and we'll be part of a new earth. Uh, that's kind of why I like,
uh, Rebecca and Austin now they're planning on, you know, uh,
being sustainable and, you know, creating the foods and all that.
And I would love to, you know, eventually be a part of like a community.
You know, we buy some property out there in the middle of Colorado, you know,
role of like mind.
I like that when I met you guys and I started to speak with them and it just
kind of peaked my interest. And it seems that that'll be a great thing,
you know, come together,
everybody starts working together instead of against each other, you know,
that self-sustaining mentality, spiritually minded, love everybody.
I've always kind of been like that. I was never a, um, never, uh,
much of a bigot or a racist. I always accepted everybody.
I was very open-minded from a young mind, from a young person.
And I've always kind of lived my life that way.
And then when all these experiences, it even, uh, became like a,
I call myself a child of the all. Uh, I don't, I don't really, you know,
adhere to the religions, but the spiritual side,
the connection to everything is very, uh, apro pro and works for me. Yeah,
It definitely seems like there's a natural calling amongst spiritual communities
to um, sort of, sort of create their own way of doing things, but we're not,
we're not quite there as a society yet where we're, you know, very focused on,
um, growing very sustainable, uh, methods of agriculture. Um,
but,
but it's amazing how many people of all belief systems are wanting to create
these kinds of communities, um,
where there'd be more of a focus on spiritual pursuit and healing and openness
to, to everyone. Um,
it seems like it's an inevitability that we're gonna be out in the mountain
somewhere, I think, with that community one day.
So I'd like it. Yeah, I'm excited. I think it's really cool.
Do you feel like you've been guided your whole life by some particular force or
entity or just your intuition?
Hmm, uh, uh, yeah, I think so. Um,
actually I know so, because like a lot of times I'll be on trips and I'll say,
okay, spirit, take me where I need to go.
And then all of a sudden like something just happens,
I end up in this place that I didn't even know about.
So definitely I feel that I've been guided through, uh,
many things and, you know, things always showed up when I needed them to.
And, you know, I reached out probably when I was a young kid, uh, about 19,
I was kind of upset living in Florida, uh,
just before everything really happened. And I kind of yelled up at the sky like,
Hey God, Eli, you killed me. Will you show me the way?
Cuz I don't really know what I'm I'm supposed to do here.
And then that night I saw a u f o strange light in the sky,
and then things started to happen.
And then one of the first things that happened was I, I,
I met somebody and um, and he basically was gonna take me to,
uh, an Indian guy who does like readings and spiritual stuff.
And from then on, I, I've definitely been guided.
I I've always ended up meeting those people who, um, uh,
were like me or like-minded and, uh, but yeah,
it always seemed to like, one thing led to another.
Like I kept meeting people who introduced me to somebody else and,
and I was able to help them. And, you know, I I,
it was definitely a guiding force that's been with me and it's been very
positive. I never had any kind of fear of these beings.
I've seen grays in my dreams and, you know, uh,
they've done some things to me maybe,
but I never really felt like I was abducted. And then when the pla came there,
there's such a difference in the energy, but I never have any kind of fear. I,
I've always, I always call myself like a contactee as,
as opposed to an abductee and, um, you know, whatever.
Maybe they did do stuff to me when I was younger,
but I never had that fear about it.
I was always very open-minded to it all as I am today. Mm-hmm.
So maybe it'd be worth it to talk about dreams a little more too. Um, it,
so it's interesting that, you know, you, you,
you've had a lot of flying dreams where, you know, you're out of,
it seems like when we're, when we're asleep, we're out of body. Um,
but when this other experience you had,
you seemed to be out of body and awake and very aware that you were outta body
and you could see your body while you were in that state. But I, I,
I've also had experiences where it seems like there's a,
there was a transition where I was asleep and out of body and then I woke up and
I was awake and out of body and I was wondering if you had anything like that.
But then just the nature of dreams in general, it's very mysterious.
Do you have any thoughts on, um, you know,
where you're going when you're having these experiences?
I've been everywhere I've been on, I used to wake up,
I used to call it an instance of awareness where I realized I would, I would,
I wake up in this dream and I realized that I was out of my body a couple of
times. I saw my body on my bed and I was playing with it. Like,
I remember waking up and I knew I was sleeping, but I was awake and I,
I put my hand through my wall cause I knew I could.
And then I put my head through my wall and then I knew it cuz I could,
and then I actually left my house and then I came back right through my wall and
then I woke up and I'm like, whoa, that was pretty cool.
So I would wake up in these experiences with this instance of awareness where
I was aware and I, I,
I've seen beings of all kinds of colors and natures and, you know, birds and,
and lion creatures and just a,
a whole multitude of different kinda entities out there.
And I would wake up on planets and I,
I sometimes I would jump off the planet cuz I knew I could like, uh, like, uh,
in the Matrix movie when he was forced to jump off the building.
So I used to literally fly like light speed. Uh,
and then sometimes I'd wake up in dreams and then I'd change my
location. I'd say, oh, okay, look, since I'm awake, I have control.
Let's go somewhere else. Let's go to a, a Red Rock area, a mounted area,
instantaneously. Now I'm in some other location. So I ended up,
because I was writing down my dreams every day and I was so aware, I,
I was sleeping a lot because my dreams were more exciting than my, my,
my waking state.
And I would wake up and I'd write down 6, 7, 8 dreams and vivid.
I still have them, I should publish it cuz they're amazing to me.
But the messages and the,
the beings that I met and the experiences just were amazing
and they, they never stopped. Even to this day, I still have some,
some pretty wild dreams. But for a 20 year period, which I wrote down my dreams,
they were always, you know, um,
just amazing to me because of the experiences and the,
and the feeling that I would, uh, when I woke up with the, um,
the ability to remember it all. And I was given names and, you know,
numbers and all kinds of different things and, you know,
I would show up at other people's homes and like, Hey, I'm outta my body.
Can you see me? And they never did. But, um, you know,
I had such control and, you know,
I would like lift up my hands and now I was like hovering wherever I was and I
could turn and move and I can go fast or slow. The dreams were very, very,
uh, important in my, my growth. I would, I would think, cause the,
I guess the confidence it gave me in this, in this, uh, dream state,
I've, I've certainly, uh,
had periods where I was writing down my dreams every day. And I,
I noticed that if I would read my dreams, like in the evening,
if I'd go back and read what I wrote down in the morning,
then it would be like an explanation of the metaphysics of what had happened to
me that day.
Now I do think there might be a difference between different types of dreams
that have different types of purposes. Some, some showing more prophetic, uh,
things, some showing more, um, uh, what, what,
what's going on in the metaphysical dimensions. I think that that's kind of,
that's kind of like, uh, clues to our spiritual path when we,
when we interpret the symbolism of, of the dreams. But then, um, yeah,
I know there's different categories of dreams too that doesn't always apply,
but the,
the amount of information that I gain when I read them later seems to be more
than when I think about the dream when I, after I first had it,
because it seems like the dream is like an invitation for me to, to um,
a kind of processing whenever it is that I'm reading it and processing it.
It's like there's always a lot of value there.
So I'd be interested in those dreams.
Yeah, I was definitely given a lot of like prophecy.
Like I wrote down these things and then they came true,
which was pretty cool because I then I would go back to my dream book and um,
you know, I read and then sure enough. I wrote it down, actually. I was, uh,
I wanted to say before with, with the, with the dream I had with,
from my friend, it said, I was given three words. It said, seek the mystic.
I don't even know what that was. A mystic, I don't know what a mystic was,
but three words. And then a week later, I meet this woman.
So now about a year later, I'm going through my dream book, and sure enough, I,
I come across this dream that said, seek the mystic. And I did.
And then she's the one who told me about the,
and the interdimensional and all that. So it was like somebody guided me again.
Uh, you know, and I actually wrote it down. So the dreams were always prophetic.
They're always, you know, trying to help me. Ah, a lot of weird stuff too.
You know, you get a lot of weird, weird stuff in there. But, um,
it was always very, um, important information for me to, uh, you know,
to understand and to glean and then to help other people, obviously.
So a lot of other people weren't so comfortable with these,
the experiences where, for me, it was very natural. And even to this day,
it's like, I love it, you know? Yeah. I, I think I flew last week and I was Oh,
thank you.
So do you feel like you, um, th this would be a higher self that's guiding you?
Do you feel like you have the awareness of higher and lower aspects of yourself?
It's hard to say. I mean,
there's some kind of energy or being that seems to be with me
or, you know, just, I don't know who it is or what it is.
If it's me or, or a hi or a lower self. I'm not really sure. It's hard to,
hard to say. But it seems that, um,
these beings have been with me since childhood, and they've definitely, uh,
you know, lent a helping hand. Anytime I was ever in trouble in life,
like all of a sudden I, I got outta trouble really quick. Like, I'd be,
you know, my car broke down in the snow like a few months ago, and, you know,
I asked for guidance and help and sure enough,
somebody shows up outta nowhere and helped me. I've always helped people too.
So it's kinda like that balance. But it definitely, it seems like there's a,
another entity or being of some kind that's been with me and helping me through
these, um, you know, through my life for sure.
Maybe I could ask you a little bit about, um, how, how your career has gone too.
It's so cool that you, that you have a,
a cannabis company here in Colorado Springs that is helping a lot of people I
know. Um,
and my relationship with cannabis has been back and forth over the years where I
didn't know if it was, um, you know,
bolstering aspects of my personality that were not helpful. But then I realized,
well,
that's just giving me insight into those aspects of my personality that I need
to work on. I just need to, um, process whatever it is. Um,
and I feel like it's amazing that we're in a, in a state now where sil,
ibin mushrooms have been legalized too. It's like, it's as though, you know,
the free will of, of humanity has finally broken through the,
the whatever controlling interest and want us to be using these plant medicines
to, to heal ourselves. And now we're able to actually have, have more access.
Um, but, but how did you get into that industry?
Um, well, it was a long story, but, um,
I was a part of a company like four or five years ago that was doing the,
I was a venture capital, um, person. I used to raise money for companies. And,
uh, I actually visited Colorado and I, I went to this place in Colorado Springs,
and we were one of the first investors. And then we got hired by the company to,
uh, do public relations, investor relations.
And then everything was good for a while, and then it all fell apart. It just,
it got messed up and the company made some mistakes.
And then I was a shareholders, so I rallied other shareholders,
and we ended up raising some more money to take over the company cuz it was a,
it was still in business. And, um, long story short, I ended up, you know,
taking over this company. And that's how I ended up in Colorado.
Cause it was since in Colorado Springs, um,
it's actually been one of the most stressful things I've ever gotten myself
involved in because it,
it was very tough and still were kinda like hanging on there. Um,
as far as the pot and the marijuana and stuff, I've, I,
I've been using stuff for like 40 years. Did it help me? Did it hurt me?
I don't know. I mean, I, I, I, I got into it. It always, I felt good.
I mean, it never seemed to stop me. I mean,
all those experiences that I experienced in my dreams, you know,
I was using marijuana during the day and I'd go to sleep and it never seemed to
interfere. Um, sometimes it actually makes me anxious now. It's so strong.
I actually stopped doing it for a little while cause I was getting stressed out
with the company and I was getting some anxiety. So sometimes it can help,
sometimes it could be a detriment, but it does seem to have a, you know,
you never heard of anybody dying from marijuana, uh, alcohol, you know,
and pills kills more people on a daily basis and everything combined.
Never heard of anybody dying from marijuana. It definitely has its medicinal,
uh, properties. It's just another, uh, great plant out there that's, uh,
you know, come from our creator. And, uh, you know, like I said,
it got me to Colorado. I've always wanted to come here. And, you know,
she told me that years ago that I should be looking in Colorado.
Just so happens this company happened to be here and timing was good.
My daughter was grown. My, you know, my family's older.
It's like I needed to get outta Florida anyway, and it got me here. And then,
like I said,
the first thing I wanted to do was find a group like yours and make some friends
with open-minded people. Just so happens at that first night, you know,
mark was compelled to go that night too. He's like my best buddy now.
And you and the other guys, Julian and,
and Randy and I feel very comfortable always hanging out with everybody.
I feel like it was the right move to come here. So, yeah. You know,
day by day. But, um, at this point it's like, uh,
we've seen so many things since we've got here. I mean, it, it never stops. Uh,
we told you about, uh, six weeks ago, uh,
about five of us went to Garden of the Gods and it was freezing. It was a very,
very windy night. It was, it was really cold.
But we ended up seeing this object come out of the west to go to the east.
And we all saw, it lasted about like nine minutes.
And we kept thinking like, is this a space station? No.
Cause the Space station actually goes the other direction,
but it lasted so long. It was a ball of light, but it was very large.
It was more of like a craft up there, but just a, an object. But here I am with,
uh, my, my new buddies from my new U f o discussion group,
seeing a spaceship of some kind that's moving erratically.
And we're all just excited and we're all, you know, just giggling. Like,
I can't believe we're all seeing this together. So, you know, that being said,
uh, it's, there's, so there's something going on here.
I I'm here for a reason and I'm trying to figure out what that reason is. And,
you know, at this point, it's like day by day I don't expect anything.
If they know where I'm at and when they're ready for me, they'll come and,
you know, maybe take me. And, you know, if they need me to help with the world,
then they know I'm i'll.
I will definitely help that I'm always open to helping anybody at any time.
Yeah, it's an amazing thing that so many people are being drawn here. I mean,
I don't know if it's that way or other parts of the country,
but it certainly seems like we get, um,
a very large number of people who move here specifically because they,
they felt drawn here. They felt there's some,
some kind of spiritual significance to their, their journey that they,
they needed to come to Colorado.
Yeah, I don't know what it, what it is about Colorado, but, um, I mean,
I've always wanted to come here from the first time I came here, you know, 30,
40 years ago. I was like, whoa. I fell in love with this place.
And I always felt that one day I will be here. And now I'm here almost,
you know, closing in on two years. And like I said, as soon as I got here,
I saw this object in the east. Uh, and I keep seeing stuff. And, you know,
one day I was, uh, coming outside of my house, I looked up and I saw a flash.
And, uh, that's usually my, my, my sign. And then in my mind,
somebody said like, go to garden, other gods. I told my wife, I'm gonna go, go.
She don't wanna go. Ended up going by myself, sat there, put the chair down,
not even five minutes go by, I see the flash. And then when I see the flash,
I know that I'm supposed to,
I just decide to turn my chair and look in a different direction.
And then I did that.
Five minutes later they came back and they gave me three flashes and they
disappear. So I'm like, thank you. So yeah,
I haven't really got any specific messages from anybody in a long, long time.
But just seeing the flashes of light, the way they used to do it, uh,
to be in Florida tells me that I'm here for the right reasons. And then,
you know, when everything is gonna unfold as it still unfolds,
I'll be able to, um, uh, you know,
participate in whatever I'm supposed to be participating.
Somebody just said something about a lot of people are, you know,
drawn to Florida, you know, a lot of people, Florida's a very transient state.
A lot of people get there and then they leave.
The energy down there is very strange. There's a lot of people there now.
It's a very, uh, distracting place. You know,
you don't have too many areas where you can see a clear sky.
The light pollution is terrible. You have to really, you know,
get outta the area. You know,
I used to go in my backyard for some reason was a little darker than the
average, but, you know, a lot of people are drawn to Florida and then they're,
they're drawn outta there. They have to get outta there.
Cause the energies are very strange down there. It's very, uh,
it's like a melting pot of all kinds of people from all around the world.
Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I guess I could recommend to people,
if you're not on meetup.com to u use that for forming groups in your own area
and see if you can find your own, um, you know,
fellow light workers and seekers who are open to these things and having their
own experiences as that. That was really all,
all I did was start a meetup group. Um, and I had a couple friends that,
you know,
made it easier for me to get it going knowing that you have at least somebody
who's gonna show up to start with.
But it did not take long at Colorado Springs has a few hundred thousand people
in it. So, and it's maybe a little bit easier here than a smaller town would be,
um, maybe a lot easier. But, um,
if you can find a town with a hundred thousand people in it to that you're close
to,
that's a great place to start a meetup group if there's not already an existing
meetup group. And I know that, you know, there,
there's so many people who cannot share their stories because their,
their whole, all their friends and family think they're crazy. And it's,
it's almost like this is the more, more the norm that,
that people are having experiences and not able to share them, um,
then that they have actual friends who they can talk to about these things. So,
so that's why it's so critical, I think, that people find, find one another, uh,
in, in communities to, to be able to sort of grow and, and,
and come to peace and come to a sense of grounding with the reality of the,
the visitations that are happening and our interaction with the,
with the star families, which seems to be, um, you know, maybe one of unity,
maybe we are these star brothers incarnated into these bodies,
and we're here for the purpose of, of helping every, everyone else, uh,
work through the, the transition, the shift that's happening, um,
without any fear. Um, so,
so do you feel like, uh, you're you're a plea in yourself, Paul?
Well, I mean, they told me I was, I mean, um,
I know I'm just a, I try,
I call myself a child of the all connected to everything attached to nothing.
You know, they're the ones who actually gave me this, this, this name.
The s I never really, I mean, I guess before I, I met them,
I was reading about different groups and stuff like that, but, uh, when,
you know, when, when they give you the name,
and then when I did that reading with the Mystic Lady and she says, you know,
we are part of the Ians and you're part of us. Like, we're like,
I'm a descendant of them. It, it kind of made sense. Um,
my last name is Cohen, as you know, and, um, in the, in the, in the Torah,
in the Bible,
there's only two family names that were allowed to touch this arc of the
covenant where the Torah was held. And it was the Cohens and the Levis.
And many, many years ago, I, uh,
worked for a company that used to expose new technologies in a video form to
like a, a business, uh, um, um, scenario.
And I talked to a dna, a company, and, um, the guy says, oh, you're a Cohen,
huh? I said, yeah. He says, well, I'm gonna tell you something very interesting.
We did a study, a DNA N study on the Cohens and Levi's, and he says,
you and the Levi's have different d n than anybody else on this entire planet.
And I'm like, what, what does that mean? I'm like,
does that mean like I'm an alien? He says, well, we we're not really sure,
but you and the Levis have different d n a than any other family in the whole
world. So in the Bible it talks about the, the,
the gene Genesis is like genetics. Like the first couple of pages,
the first couple of sentences, it says,
the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and took them as wives.
They had men of great renowned, there were giants in those days. Enough,
the Cherine, the S which in Hebrew means those who come from above.
So they're telling you that the extraterrestrials basically came here and merged
their DNA with the DNA n of the things that were already here,
like the monkeys or whatever. And then there's a whole section called numbers,
and it names the, the, the, the, the names of the families,
which would basically be the, the DNA n of these beings.
So that information is all in there. Nobody ever really looks at that, you know,
as, as anything real. But you know,
when somebody tells you that your DNA n is different from anybody else in the
world,
and then the Bible's telling you that your family name was one of the only ones
who could touch this, this arc and was some kind of a machine.
And that machine supposedly fed these being, uh,
the people here for 40 years when they went to the deserts,
according to the story of, you know, Moses looking,
getting to the promised land. So a lot of, a lot of strange stuff like that.
So am I aian, I dunno, I don't know what I am,
but somebody, uh, you know, keeps using that name and I'm, I'm actually,
uh, happy to be affiliated with these beings because the energy that like they,
they extended to me was amazing. Good luck.
Touch of the arc. Somebody just wrote, yeah,
you couldn't touch the arc back in the day cuz uh,
Illa or whatever his name was, touched the arc, and he,
he died like instantaneously. He wasn't a Cohen.
So a lot of strange things, but all the research I've ever done,
and then all the stuff that Eric Byan never read, and all the stuff that, uh,
Zacharia Sitin and the host of other amazing people, they've done the research.
They look back, the Sumerians and the technology that they came,
and all these beings from thousands of thousands of years ago were so much more
technologically advanced than what we have today.
And all those buildings are still in existence to this day. Um,
so it's very compelling where we come from. I, I was convinced early on that,
you know, the extraterrestrials came here and, you know, we're part,
um, you know, all these things come out over the years of our,
um, you know, where we come from. And it seems that, you know, again,
they're not God, they're not the creator.
When I look up at the sky and I see all those stars, whatever made that I call,
you know, um, either the God or the creator or the source,
so they were created like we were created,
but it seems that they had a hand in helping us, uh,
in our evolutionary growth as well. Yes.
And that seems to be documented in a lot of different ancient texts.
You read stuff from like India, I mean,
they'll tell you about 8,000 years ago the wars and the technologies that
everybody had back then.
And you see some of the structures that are are in India today.
There's no way that primitive people could have made these things. I mean,
they're like laser cut, everything's aligned to the stars. So I,
I'm already a thousand percent convinced that we are, you know, from these, uh,
higher beings, you know, again, you know, they're, they don't pro they,
they probably couldn't explain existence either. I mean, how do you make a sun?
How do you make a star? How do you, uh, a planet?
It's beyond the finite mind of the man. But, uh, you know, these beings,
obviously they're,
they're pretty technologically advanced if they're cruising around the universe
in these ships that we now have video cameras that seize them all the time.
So very compelling and the, and that, uh, that trail of our earthly, uh,
existence.
Yeah, I definitely agree. There's so many different sources discussing the,
the genetic programs and the law. One books that I like so much,
they talk about, um, a, a grand experiment and, uh,
Cory Goods information said that, uh, he, he,
that the beings referred to the genetic projects as being part of a great
experiment for basically just consciousness evolution in the, in the,
in the galaxy. And, and the, the dots definitely seem to connect that there's,
there's just, it's almost like, um, what,
what are we doing here as beings? You know, we're, we're,
we're exploring the nature of consciousness.
We're exploring the nature of manifestation and genetics are one way in which
we, um, express the nature of what life is and could be.
And so it makes sense that we're, as we grow, as a,
as a race,
we're becoming more and more able to co-create with genetics and co-create
more of, of the reality that, that we're wanting to see through, through,
you know, proper maintenance and stewardship of,
of what it means to be li alive and what, what life actually is.
So I'm very hopeful that we'll,
we'll know more of the mysteries of our genetics someday and that it'll all
point us back to, um, the source, the source of cr creation basically.
Sure, yeah. The people who actually discovered the, uh,
d n in the fifties and started to, uh, you know, research it, um,
one of the lead scientists basically said, you know,
there's no way in the world that this just randomly showed up.
It's so complex and it's so, you know, uh,
just beyond that, obviously intelligent design,
it had to come from somebody who designed it. And, uh, you know,
we're just starting now to, you know, figure a lot of it out. But it's so far,
you know, advanced that it, it just didn't randomly show up. And obviously, uh,
there's an intelligent being behind it all and you know, it,
it lets us try to figure it out and we've come far and, you know,
in a hundred years,
but there's so much more we're gonna learn eventually it's all coming out.
Yeah. So this has been a really great conversation, Paul.
I thank you for sharing all these stories. Um,
and we can do this another time too, and get more stories recorded. Um,
been going for about 70 minutes now, but I'm curious, do you have any, um,
recommendations for people, um, to, to become more active, um,
and more awakened and more activated?
Yeah. First of all, I appreciate the conversation. I'm always open to, uh,
speaking with you and anybody else on these subjects.
And I would just recommend to everybody is quiet the mind because we're over,
unfortunately with, uh, it's a very stressed out world,
and the money and this and that and obligations, people,
they forget and they get caught up in the, uh,
some other time that hasn't happened yet in the future,
they have to live in the here and the now.
And the best way to do that is to slow down,
is to stop and then learn to meditate, calm your mind down.
And then once you get into the, uh, you know, a good routine of meditation,
start asking questions before you go to sleep.
And most likely you'll get those answers and definitely start writing down your
dreams. Cause they definitely will, uh, um, it's easier,
it seems easier for them to contact us when we're in the dream state because
we're not so locked up into the earthly, you know, uh,
commotions that go on here every day. So chill out, relax,
and then go find a group of like-minded people and uh, keep looking up.
Yep. I totally agree.
That's such a precious window right before we fall asleep to,
to potentially tune ourselves to a, a journey while we're asleep.
Definitely. I'm looking forward to next week when we go out to, uh,
to that area. Should be nice with a whole bunch of folks.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, excellent. And if anybody's in the Colorado area,
contact me if you wanna participate in the events we have here and you can get
more engaged and have some experiences yourself possibly. So yeah.
Excellent. Look forward to it.
Thanks again, Paul, and I look forward to seeing you next week.
Look forward to it as well. Thanks, Mike. Have a great weekend. We'll talk soon.