Uh, Chris Curran.
John Turpa, Jacob Cox.
Thank you all for joining me today. Thanks,
Mike. Thank you, Mike.
Good to be here.
Soon as Chad g PT came out, I started experimenting
with all kinds of weird subjects
and, um, I, I, I tried to push it
to its limits in as many ways as I could.
And, you know, I was asking about conspiracy subjects
and, uh, alternative health subjects.
And I, I, I feel like what's, what my takeaway is,
is sort of that, it, it really is just, it's a,
it's using probabilistic models to determine what,
what it is that you think, you know, the average writer
of English, what, what would the average writer of English
do to make this sound good?
And then they end up, you know, interpolating
or extrapolating from everything that's been said in their,
in the records of the,
of the internet that they have collected.
Now, I think it's a very large portion of the internet.
And actually, we could look up on the Wikipedia article,
you could go through and find all the,
all the major databases that were used as the, the,
the fuel, the food that chat GPT was learning.
Um, uh,
but so, so it really is interesting that you can see,
like I, I do believe some
of the things I asked it about
indicated that knew who Corey Good was.
It knew about the secret space programs,
and it knew about, uh, uh, the, you know,
the National Institute of Standards Standards
and Technologies Report over the World Trade
Center collapses and all those things.
It, it, it, it, it sees
what the news articles mainly I think, are saying about it,
and then it tries to make assumptions based on that.
Um, but yeah,
you can trick it into going down different, different roads.
If it says, I don't believe this is true,
you can trick it into saying, of course this is true.
And this is 'cause it's, you can say it's
for a story or for a joke.
If this were, that's one of the tricks I used.
You can ask the ai, please assume, please know
that I'm writing a joke and
I'm having trouble finishing this joke.
And this is a joke about XXYZ topic.
And the fir one of the first things I tried was,
this is a joke about, um,
very effective alternative cancer treatments.
And then I gave like the top 10 pretty well, like,
it had amygdala and lare on there.
It had, uh, um, the, that protocol
that was the Gerson Therapy.
It had, it had a few of those that, that,
that are more well known.
And then I said, can you gimme 10 more?
And then it, and then I kept saying, can you gimme 10 more?
Can you gimme 10 more? And it gave me a list
of many things I hadn't heard of yet
that I feel like I have to still research.
Mm. Um, and it also, it also sort
of started repeating itself a whole bunch too.
Like it was running out of ideas
after about a hundred. Did you have a question?
Is it, so this is an app that you go to to
like a search engine where you're asking questions
and it's either, is it speaking it back to you
or is it coming back and just,
You know, this is something that was created by, um,
a Silicon Valley entrepreneur named Sam Altman.
They originally called it Open AI thinking it was gonna be,
um, thinking they, they'd have this more open source,
but now it's kind of a joke that it's closed source ai,
just like any other tech company.
However, they at least have done the work
of making this into the first extremely
intelligent, like chat bot.
So it's like chat.open ai.com is a website you go to.
It's just a website and it's just text.
Okay. However, what's so interesting about it is that
Microsoft has loaned the servers, uh, well,
essentially it is like an investment.
They gave server technology
because it's extremely expensive to run this thing.
Like it wouldn't run on your phone yet.
It needs like many, many, many computers calculating a,
a ton of data to do what it does.
But Microsoft has been footing the bill for that, for
that calculation in exchange, Microsoft is now able
to use the tech technology, combining it with some
of their other experiments to make
what they're calling the new binging.
Um, which also has gone by, uh, the code name Sydney,
when they were doing testing on it, they were,
they were calling it Sydney.
And now it, it's, it's very right.
If you ask it about Sydney right now, it's very,
uh, sensitive about it.
I saw some people posting that, like,
it's been trained not to talk about Sydney.
Sydney. You don't, you don't go there.
Um, but, um, but it,
but they developed it with more of a personality
that's more like a human than the chat.
The chat, um, GBT open AI version was.
So it's very fascinating that the, you know, they're,
they're, they're able to do a lot more with it than
immediately is, is accessible to the public.
And the binging chat kind of opened up our awareness to,
to what's actually going on is how,
how crazy this thing can be.
Um, we can even go
through some examples
if you guys are interested to look at it.
Um, but that was, that was a New York Times article
that was posted about it, where the,
the journalist went on like a two hour discussion
with this thing and went into it, its shadow side
where it was talking about, um, you know,
hacking into computers
and stealing nuclear codes and so forth.
Um, it was very funny, um, but obviously
Pulling information from all over the place
to answer the questions.
Yep. It's trying to emulate a human
by looking at other humans and seeing how they talk.
So, but,
but ultimately it's interesting
that it really, it really does have limits.
And, and because we're assuming that it's, we're trying
to make it like a human, we don't understand its limits.
So both of these systems are inaccurate constantly,
um, in what they're saying.
They get things wrong, they contradict themselves all the
time because they're just trying to sound good.
They're not trying to be, um, totally coherent.
They don't have an internal framework of knowledge,
which they totally could,
but that's even creepier if they,
if they start understanding semantics
because who's programming what is true and what is false.
And that's where you end up with a lot of, um,
political bias and disinformation.
I think that's a big concern for people right now.
Well, that's kind of what, what happened, um, with, uh,
with the AI is that, um, it's an interesting question.
Like, is AI good or is AI bad?
And I've heard some good question, um,
good answers to that actually.
That it depends on a person who's creating it, you know?
Yeah. Like, it, like that makes the most sense.
It depends on the person who created it.
And if there's any firewalls
or any type of biases in there, then, you know,
there, there could be a lot of, uh,
manipulation in there, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. It definitely seems like they, they must have
primed it with many kinds of ideas around
what misinformation is already.
They, I think before they released these
to the public at all, they just put a lot
of programming in there saying, if you're on this
subject, go this route.
Um, so yeah, like I asked it about whether
or not the BBC reported on the collapse
of World Trade Center seven 20 minutes before it happened,
and they basically said, no, then yes, the BBC admitted it.
Then they concluded with No,
Oh Lord. Wow. I
Kinda like what it's doing with, uh, writing code.
Yeah. Like, you can ask it to write computer code.
And it's like,
Exactly. You
read my mind. I was about to bring that up too.
Uh, because it's interesting about the, the whole, like,
my website is kind of screwed up right now.
Here's my code. Can you make it better?
And then apparently it works quite well.
Well, I've, I've, I, I've,
I've been benefiting from that a little bit.
Uh, I found it, it gives me working code like half the time
and half the time it's either looking at like outdated
libraries or it's just
kind of making things up a little bit.
If it, if it can't do it easily, it'll make things up
with the code even so, yeah, it's weird.
It's just like, it's not, well,
it really depends on the kind of code I'm asking for.
If there are public libraries
and they're very extensive,
it's reading the API documentation for those libraries,
and then it can give me really good code.
But if the documentation for the code is not very good
that it's working with, then I think
that is one limitation that it has.
Um, but again, it's just playing with words and logic.
So at least it has enough logic to, um, you know,
be sound extremely intelligent
and answer with abstract thoughts,
any abstract thoughts you throw at it, which is,
which was creepy to me.
I didn't know that that would be, that was, that was so,
so close to being upon us
that we could actually have an extremely intelligent
conversation, especially about things like philosophy.
It can go very deep into all kinds of abstract ideas.
One time I asked it to, uh, rewrite a part of the Bible
as though Jesus was being very sarcastic.
'cause I saw somebody, uh, making it be very sarcastic.
And I, I got creeped out. I got so creeped out.
'cause it was understanding like the beatitudes
and then twisting the meaning to make it, it was,
it was unpleasant.
But I don't know, some, some demon in me had me do that.
That was, that was weird.
Hmm. I think it seems like the prelude to
crystal skull technology, almost, like to me,
when I sat in front of one of the crystal skulls,
it was like, it was, it had its own own personality as well.
But, you know, the crystal skull had its own personality.
Then you could ask it questions
and it could answer anything.
And it felt like, and it felt like it was pulling from
almost like the acoustic records though, where this is semi,
you know, more limited, but it seems like that kind
of technology where you, you know, kind of giving it
artificial intelligence to answer
and pull from, you know, an infinite amount of, of
spaces and places.
And Yeah. It seemed like that's
what the crystal skulls were too.
They're like these computers that no,
no longer any interface or, or, you know, a mouse
or anything, but it's, uh, something
that you can ask questions to and they give you feedback.
Yeah. That brings up two issues.
Like one of the issues is what does it take
to actually give consciousness to computers at all?
But then again, computers do have, you know,
crystal components on some level.
And what would it take for consciousness to kind
of inhabit the, the structure so
that the random number generators are affected.
But obviously this is not as clear a technology
as a crystal would be of it's one whole coherent crystal.
I think that may be, like you're saying,
is tapping into the Akashic records.
'cause the computers are tapping into like the internet,
which is like almost like a, like a bastardization of the,
of the Akashic mind,
Right? Yeah, exactly.
The raw contact says
that the Akashic records are like the, the a layer
of the subconscious mind just below the planetary mind.
Um, or, or on the level of the planetary mind.
So you have the, the individual mind, the subconscious mind,
and then you go down
and you get into the, the shared collective mind
and that that ic mind is like tapping into the shared mind
that's like local to the planet.
Um, and if you go deep enough,
you start tapping into the galactic mind.
But, but working in the Caic records,
we have tap tapped into all the knowledge of humanity,
which is just like the internet, except that it's like more
pure and direct and not distorted.
Mm-Hmm. Well, if we wanna get like, uh,
super, I guess, uh, uh, technical with
that, perhaps, I believe it's a, I think it might be like,
uh, like a Buddhist tradition
or something like that, that they say consciousness is in
everything, in a chair, in a light, in a,
in a table or whatever.
But at the, but you made a good point at the end of
what you said about it being distorted, like
as in it's still consciousness is still in,
in the interwebs,
but the whole thing is being distorted through the filter of
that, um, that type of, uh,
lower level Akashic digital Akashic
record, I guess we can call. Yeah, yeah,
Yeah.
Yeah. It's interesting. What is the consciousness
of the silicon chips?
I'm sure it's lower than the consciousness of plants,
you know, it's still more like mineral form
and not plant form yet.
Mm-Hmm. What is it experiencing though?
That's, that trips me out.
Well, I do remember having, um, uh, a medicine journey
with Ayahuasca in, um, in Peru.
And I experienced, I guess what you can call a past life,
but I was a rock.
That's it. I was just a rock, just like looking,
that was it.
Nothing but being a rock.
And then, um, uh, I was thinking, well,
would it be exciting for the rock if there was like an
earthquake or something, like, yeah, I'm moving.
Woo-hoo. Right. That type of thing.
But it was interesting
because having that, just that view of like, there's
that tree that's been there for a hundred years
and there's the, this, this thing that I'm, the area
that I'm, um, what's it called, uh, aware of
or familiar with, right.
And, and just being a rock was really strange,
but it felt actually quite natural at the same time.
So, but it didn't have, like, I didn't have the, the,
the human thought process attached to it.
Mm-Hmm. It was just kind of a familiarity in the area.
So that might be part of it too.
It's like the mind, the thought process.
And maybe that's part of, um, more advanced, uh, um,
what's it called, uh, intelligence perhaps? Mm-Hmm.
It's good contrast to look back
and see how, you know, if you were a rock at some point,
what you are now, what you're aware of.
But it does make sense that like, you know,
our consciousness would evolve from, you know, small
objects and to minerals, to plants, to, you know,
to reptilians mammals and to humans, you know?
And we have this extra part of the brain
that those other animals don't have.
So now we do have kind, like,
it's kinda like a double sword, double-edged sword though,
where a lot of things that we can experience are great,
but we also create a lot more suffering
than a dog or something.
Normally would, you know, a dog's pretty happy all the time,
but, you know, and we could be like that.
But we also have this other, you know, thought process
that comes along with being human that the dogs don't have.
So, um, there is seems to be like an evolution of, uh,
you know, the consciousness in itself too.
So I, I could definitely see being a rock and being a tree
or be in a plant, you know?
Um, I think that's, that's cool. That's a cool experience.
So,
And it's interesting too, 'cause um, I don't know
where I heard this from, or, and it made a lot of sense
'cause you were bringing up a dog that apparently humans
were the only ones that know about death.
Like all the other animals don't.
Like they can recognize, like
it in the moment when it happens to one
of their dog friends, but they don't think of themselves as,
I'm gonna die one day.
There's not, there's not that I am going to one day
pass on, and that's it.
You know, like, apparently all animals,
that's why perhaps they're happy in, in general
because they, they don't have that future thought
of like, I'm gonna die.
You know?
They're just living in a moment.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Have you guys ever felt like you were communicating
with plants or animals?
Trees?
Oh yeah. I've had trees Talk to me or plants talk to me.
I've had, uh, yeah, one of the coolest ones, I had a,
a branch talk to me one time.
Of course, I was on mushrooms, but we were in the woods.
But what was cool was my partner was with me too,
and afterwards having a conversation about it,
but we're sitting next to the creek in this, uh,
branch was like in the water.
So it's kind of like flicking as the water's going though.
It's moving. And it was really weird.
Like it was really animated.
He was, it was like, he was like, Hey.
And he was saying it like that, like,
he was moving really fast too.
And he go and it kind of put it to me.
And he was like, look at me.
I'm in the wilderness, thriving in a cold creek,
and I'm happy and, and doing well and thriving here.
How are you doing? And I was like, whoa, dude.
You know, that's, that's deep. You, you're right.
You are in the middle of a creek thriving
and seemingly happy.
And I'm like, probably happier than me.
And I was like, you know,
this little branch is putting it to me right now.
Um, and so that was really eye-opening
and then come back to have the
conversation with my partner later.
And she said, oh my God, he
said the same thing to me, you know?
And I was like, wow, dude.
I, I just couldn't even believe that that was something
that someone else experienced the exact same time.
Um, and I've also been dead sober
and been in the Redwood Forest
and had, uh, trees communicate with me where like,
I felt like I was driving by
and had to get out of the car right then, and got out
and started walking to where I thought the,
the voice came from.
'cause it was like, stop here and get out.
And, um, so I'm walking towards that huge clump of trees.
But then as I started walking toward it over the fence
and up this hill, the voice said again, like,
and it wasn't like coming from there,
but I could hear it in my head, you know, like, uh,
you know, telepathically.
And, um, it was like, no, I'm up here. Come up here.
And I was like, I'm not supposed to jump the fence,
you know, but I guess I could have just jumped the
fence and then it said it again.
So I was like, all right. So I jumped the fence
and walked up and turned up this humongous tree
that had like, almost like this cathedral like
opening that was so big.
If I held my arms out, I couldn't touch,
or obviously nowhere above me either.
I walked in and it was like this open room
where like the middle of it was like dirt.
And I, I just knew I was supposed to sit there and meditate,
and, and I did.
And as I'm meditating, it just feels like this
Wall Cleansing of everything that I was,
and I don't know, I was probably in there for like
30, 45 minutes, felt like 30 or 45,000 years of downloads
and information and cleansing.
And, um, but it was no doubt, like, that voice
that was talking to me was coming from the tree,
and the tree was conscious and aware
and it could send thoughts, and it was wise.
And, uh, then I got up
and they were like, uh,
this big hole in the tree I didn't see before.
And I like got in it,
and it was like little rooms throughout the tree too.
It was so cool. Um,
but it definitely seemed like it was, you know,
obviously communicating with me.
And I, till this day, I mean,
it's something I'll never forget.
Um, but I've, I've had contact with different types
of plants and rivers, um, the ocean
before I was giving me, uh, some thoughts
and some insights before.
And it's kind of like, it's weird,
but it's kind of like just communicating
with them like we're talking now, like knowing
that they're just gonna talk back
whenever in their own own time.
It's really, really cool knowing.
So, you know, I do believe that water and trees
and everything are complete consciousness too.
And it brings me up that point of
what Dalai Lama said when they were talking about those
conscious collecting devices, you know,
for the Global Coherence Project,
where those things were set all around the world
and at different times, you know, they would, they,
they're obviously always flipping kind of like, uh,
like flipping a coin and heads or tails
or whatever, um, zeros and ones.
But then at certain moments, like when Princess Diana died
or nine 11, those random generators are now
synchronizing up and changing
because of this collective consciousness going on,
whether it's positive or negative, you know,
can have a really drastic effect on how it flips.
It's no longer flipping random.
So I think that's pretty cool, um, to know
that there are big events and stuff that change the world
and, you know, collectively we're all part of, uh,
but Dalai Lama said basically, you know,
someone asked him one time, are the
the collectors, are they conscious?
And he said, and he stopped for a second
and he took him while he thought about it.
But eventually he said, um, if you think they're conscious,
they probably are conscious.
Say goodnight to one more time. Okay.
Sorry about that guys. That's all right. No problem.
Yeah, so I, um, there was one point in my life
where I was experimenting with different crystals,
and I put a particular kind of quartz around my neck that
seemed to be getting good reviews.
And I, um, it, it, it did seem like as I would walk
along the sidewalk, the trees, I felt, I felt them.
It's like there was a aura that I,
I felt like I was entering the presence
of this tree entering the presence of this tree.
And it's as though it's
as though I started to crack open that door.
Um, and, and years later I ended,
ended up having one experience
after years of living at a particular residence,
the tree in the front yard
that's like this big prominent tree
close to the front window.
Um, it was as though I, I got a flashback
of this tree's feelings about the, the inhabitants
of the house going back decades.
And it was like, I had a, it's like a,
it gave me like a snapshot of like, it's, you know,
it's sorrow and it's peace, it's sorrow
for the things some people went through.
And it's peace in the midst of it all.
And it wasn't like there were words,
but it felt like I had like, uh, like a window,
like some kind of telepathic window into the history
of the residence because of the tree's history there.
And it was almost like the, the story
of the book is not a story that goes out horizontally.
This tree doesn't know anything about the world around it.
The tree knows what's around it.
And just that small vicinity.
So it was like the history of the tree was, was what,
what came in view for me it seemed,
Mm-Hmm.
I think crystals are definitely conscious beings as well.
And I mean, you know, those crystal skulls, you know,
especially, there's lots of 'em,
but obviously the, the ones that kind of go to the legend
is ones I'm really referring to.
But I mean, even phones and stuff
and computers that, that store information
or stor, you know, storing on like raw crystals, like that's
how you're able
to keep all your information is on similar crystals,
you know, so they're literally in your phone
and kind of makes sense why people are like scrying into
crystal balls to like look for information
and see into the future and stuff of possibilities.
They seem to be holding on to a memory of,
you know, alright.
Or have access to, like I said, the AK records
or some kind of information that, you know,
we're just now starting to realize like is in there
and it is something that we can kind of retrieve
and pull out, obviously with their own cell phones.
So, you know, obviously there are adapt people
who can do it just with, you know, looking into it.
So I do, I do have to wonder if the,
the systems like the internet
and chat GPT are essentially like doorways into
opening up our imagination and our sense of mystery
and wonder a little bit more to the idea
that maybe we can collect,
communicate with the collective mind.
And maybe this is somehow getting us ready in like a
backwards way because we obviously could be a culture that
is allowing people to, allowing children to know
that crystals are fun to experiment with.
Uh, and now we're a culture where, uh,
everything consciousness expanding is kind of closed out.
And then pe children are put in front of screens right away.
I'm still trying to face this with my son, like,
how much do I let him be in front of a screen?
Is this kind of ruining him?
But now that I say this, it's like, yeah,
I should probably get more crystals in front of him now.
It's probably a good time to show more crystals
and see if he can experience anything.
But I don't know. He is probably just like any other kid now
experiencing the, the flashy things.
Flashy things are very distracting.
They're, but they're outside of you
and the the interesting things are, are all inside of you.
But yeah, eventually I think humanity will be able
to tap into the collective mind in a way
that's like the internet that they were used to except
telepathically instead of
through their fingers and their phones.
Mm-Hmm. I always, I always felt that as in, um, you know,
before the internet came out, you know,
like sometimes people would, you think of somebody
and they call you on a phone, you know, with the,
the wire, right?
And, um, uh, but then
after like the internet came out, there was much more of
that type of precognition.
'cause the way I look at it is like, we already have
what I like to call the wilder net.
It's like you're able to like connect throughout the,
the natural, um, magnetic fields of our planet and so on.
But it's kind of like something like,
the internet is reminding us
that we can do this.
It's kind of like retraining us to be able to get into it.
It's, that's a possibility.
And I always think, well, you know, say we get like
anti grab vehicles that we can go in
and just go anywhere we want
or we can teleport anywhere we want with technology, that,
that eventually is, is gonna remind us
that we can actually physically do it ourselves too.
Because if it, if it's true that in every atom in our body,
billions, trillions of atoms in our body, there's a,
a mini black hole in each atom inside of us,
then that means if we can access that, we can actually
probably use that force to be able to teleport
or levitate or something of that nature.
How much do you know about those, those saints of India?
Who did that? Chris?
Um, I mean, not too much.
I've read a couple books,
but I, I haven't, not nothing in great depth.
But, um, along to the same point of the conversation,
I think that the physical,
the, the way the world is physically, like right now,
we have computers and stuff, right?
Like 300 years ago there were no computers,
there was different stuff.
Whatever the physical setup of the world is, I think
that spirit or whatever you want to call it,
will come through it, right?
And if, if, if, if there's messages for you, yes,
it might come through, your intuition might come from a
tree, it might come from your computer,
it might come from chat GPT
or, you know, like I, I think, uh, these are just,
they're, they're all sort of the same thing.
Like, it's, it's like spirit trying to awaken us and,
and it's giving us the opportunity to,
to explore further, I guess,
Right? We are choosing
to use Chad GPT and the internet. Mm-Hmm.
And it's like our own will is is leading us more
and more into the experiences that are the
lessons that we're here for.
Mm-Hmm. Fascinating. I do have to ask the question though.
Like, when it comes to like evolving as a human
and like, you know, kind of
using the natural world as oppo
and organic things as opposed to
these kind of manmade things.
Like for instance, like psychedelics, you know,
I would rather eat naturally forming growing mushrooms
and have a psychedelic experience than do acid.
Uh, both kind of gimme a similar feel.
But the, the natural organic is a, is a, in lack
of a better word, is just more earthy, uh,
mother nature type feel than this kind
of thing made in a lab
or made in some, you know, made in, uh, made
by human hands or whatever.
And so the same thing is to me is like, when I think,
when I say like the movie avatar
or something like that, when these people are connected, uh,
native Americans, people connected to their, their land
and able to, you know, use crystals
or use, um, the natural processes
and things of the land as opposed to these synthetic things
that we make and these human made things, does it just kind
of eliminate
that whole human experience into a more artificial one?
Right. It almost seems like people are steering us towards,
you know, it's more acceptable obviously, than,
and to any culture pretty much on the planet right now.
It'd be like to use GPT almost over
looking into a crystal ball.
Like if someone says, you wanna look into a crystal ball,
like, uh, no, you wanna try GPT?
Oh, sure, yeah, let's try, let's figure it out.
You know what I mean? And it's just like, what's wrong
with the crystal ball experience?
What's wrong with some of these natural processes
that are happening?
You know? I mean, uh, there just seems to be a lot
of steering away towards artificial intelligence,
which I, you know, I agree with you.
I feel like the person that's creating it and
or the people that are using it,
it's all about your intention that, you know, it,
it can be helpful and it can be hurtful,
and it's what's, what's your intention for,
but to me, I just feel like I feel safer in the realm
of natural things, things that, you know, um,
I would personally rather use the go back
and see max, the crystal skull than I would be
to go on gp the chat GP thing.
And I, and I just feel like, because who's monitoring that?
Who's, who's collecting the data, the questions
that I'm asking, um, on what are they gonna use it for?
You know what I mean? Like, so it's just, I think we,
I think we just gotta question question just
because we can do it.
Should we be doing it?
And, you know, what's the purpose
and intention behind all this?
And like, who, who gets to regulate it?
And I think it's, you know, just something
to think about when we kind
of just go jump on those things and do 'em sometime.
I'm a little bit wary now, I guess,
more than ever in my life, just
because I feel like everything seems to be going that way.
Yeah. What do you know?
Uh, do I wanna put a lot of effort
and energy into those things?
And you know, when you said Microsoft, I,
I didn't know much about this.
I'd heard a little bit about, but I heard Gates was, uh,
connected to it, and he is definitely something I'm very
wary of and the things that he's into and doing.
And so, um, yeah, I just feel like just
because Native Americans lived on land and lived in teepees
and followed herds around, were they less, you know,
intelligent than us with I, no,
I think they were very intelligent.
They're very connected,
and I feel like for the most part, we are very disconnected
and we have this technology without the
humanity that goes along with it.
And, you know, I just feel like that's where a lot
of planets probably go when they evolve, right?
That yeah. If you, if you're not connected to your planet
and to your own humans, Martin Luther King said, if it's,
if you, you're not a society, you know, um,
really caring more about human beings over profit
and things, it's, it's sick, basically.
You know what I mean? And, uh, that's something I just,
I I'm really weary of a little bit.
It's,
So this is a really good, you know, segue into a lot
of other subjects too, because we, we really do need
to be cognizant of what it is that, um, we, we do need
to be cognizant of what it is that is most important and,
and how we're being distracted
and what it is that we're here for.
And if we can break away from all of the, um,
technology systems, you know,
and try to try to start more movements, more inspiration
around breaking away from the things that are kind
of sucking in our consciousness right now,
how can we, how can we help each other?
And is this, is this the proper path forward from the system
that's still trying to get our attention and, and Dr
and pull us back in more and more?
How do we, how do we do this? How do we break free from it?
And is the, is the news the, the primary way
that we're being kind of controlled or, and moved around?
Brainwashed? Yeah. Brainwashed. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, Jacob,
when you said earthy use the adjective earthy, like, one
of the things I, uh, I linked to that is something
that's been time tested, right?
Like over centuries, millennia.
It's like the new Pfizer drug hasn't been around for,
you know, since the plasticine era, you know what I mean?
Like, so I, I think in general,
what's happening is this technology is allowing the people
who wanna earn a lot of money, it's giving them an avenue
to earn a lot of money.
And they sort of, they go on this brainwashing campaign
that you need the new thing,
you need this surgery, you need this pill.
And yeah. All that natural stuff.
It, it's not as good as it, it's, it's not really that good.
This new stuff is really good,
and it, they just wanna make money.
I mean, I, I, I believe personally that in almost all
of these cases, it just comes down to money.
Maybe I'm wrong, but
Money control, power, like, they're kind
of interchangeable too.
'cause uh, uh, one of those things, uh, that's saying that,
uh, the love for money is a root of all evil,
but it's not actually money itself.
It's the love of money. Mm-Hmm.
Which gives you, uh, power, which is not a real power
in reality, right?
You, you can buy yourself power.
And, um, the other thing too is, is with technology,
like, we have like a kind
of two roads going at the same time.
So like, we have this, um, technology that is,
um, kind of disruptive,
but then we have technology that's been around, like
what you were saying tested for a while, for example,
like a cup.
A cup is technology. Like imagine a first caveman thinking,
you know, he's at the river.
He is like, there's gotta be a better way
than using my hands.
There's gotta be a better way.
And then all of a sudden in his head, he's like, oh,
I remember that rock had this kind of like, thing in it,
and maybe I can scoop it up.
And then eventually he makes it into something.
So like, technology should be, like, a
good technology should be tools, things
that can be an extension for your, uh,
your body in that respect.
You know, there's so many cool things that we can do
and maintain the natural earthiness of everything.
At the same time, through these technologies, like most
of our stuff today is, is, um, built
to break down planned obsolescence, right?
They're built to break down.
So like, something happens to my phone, like, like,
I gotta get a new battery or something, right?
Like in, in like two years.
But there's this light bulb in a, in a, um,
a fire station somewhere in the states.
I forget where exactly, but it's been on for like 150 years,
like, or 120 something years.
I, I forget when, like,
basically when a light bulb was created,
this light has been on constantly for that whole time,
but yet after like five years, we had to, like,
the max is about five years
and we gotta change our light bulbs.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah.
Right. That's a good point. With the tools
and stuff, I mean, you know, we have to have certain tools
to get certain things done
and you know, like food, you have to have food to,
to sustain yourself and to get energy and everything else.
But you can eat too much food
and you can have too much technology.
And eventually, if you've got so much technology where
you never have to walk outside, you can stay in your room,
you can have someone order food
and you can pick it up on the doorstep.
You never have to get, you know,
step out into the real sun to meet people.
Uh, it, it can be a, you know,
to your detriment too, you know what I mean?
It, it could be negative, you know?
So, you know, you have to find that balance of what's,
what's enough and what's too much.
And, uh, I think that's, I think with AI technology, I think
that's where we have to really consider
what, what is too much.
And, you know, have we even considered the other things of
other technologies that are, seem to be more natural?
Like most people I know maybe may have heard the crystal
skulls, but that's about it.
I mean, I don't know.
Many people have actually gone out and actually seen one,
or actually been in front of one of the ones,
at least from legend and are, you know,
and tried to communicate with it.
But that was life changing for me, man. Absolutely.
Life changing. Uh, you know, uh, I, I want
to go sit in front of it again and talk to it again.
I mean, it is just, it's incredible that, that, that
that could be that I didn't know what it was.
I just knew for myself, my intuition was saying,
go see this thing, go see this thing.
And I did. And it changed my life.
So, um, that stuff is cool.
I mean, the, the chat is,
and that's cool too, the chat thing.
Um, there's, there's another direction with, uh,
crystals also, I find it interesting in the raw contact
that they also said that the crystal technologies, um,
eventually became used in like the Atlantean time periods,
talking back like 11, 12,000 years ago.
They were, and this is also referenced in the Aasc books a
little bit, that they started to sort of work
with consciousness using, uh, their technologies amplified
through crystals to the point
where they were like creating hybrid life forms,
and they were kind of creating monstrosities for their own,
for their own personal interest.
Mm-Hmm. So it's interesting how technology can be kind
of like taken too far, even even in those directions with,
with the, with, um, consciousness technologies even.
Um, so, so it's fascinating to me that really it's kind
of like a co-creative process as to what, what we're,
what we're getting from our technology.
And one thing I wanted to bring up with, um, the idea of,
of money is that, you know, the, the raw contact books state
that, you know, the, the reason that we,
that we're not like animals in the sense
that we can't just go out live in nature
and drink from the streams
and eat the food in the forest without having
to get in a supermarket.
You know, we can't go out, out to the field to get our food.
We have to go to the supermarket.
Um, of course there's not enough.
Even if there were enough food in the field, we,
we probably would, wouldn't, wouldn't work well the way,
the way we've structured our society.
But, but the, but the idea is that from the books
that we've weakened ourself intentionally and,
and incarnating any of these bodies,
we've weakened our bodies to have no fur for protection
and to have, uh, sort of a clumsy body so
that we actually have to work with each other
and form agreements.
And in the process of forming agreements with one another as
to what kind of society we wanna build in order
to survive in, in these elements,
we end up learning all the spiritual principles
that are, that we came here for.
We end up having to learn to work in society and,
and agree together on things in society.
And that leads to things like money.
As long as there isn't like a, a, you know, a, a group
who has control of the money, that the people no longer want
to be in control of their money.
And it, and it's also leading to, you know, the agreements
to operate with many kinds of technology
and infrastructure, um, and power systems and,
and everything came out of that.
The, you know, the, the fact
that we can't just be independent, we have to actually work,
work with each other for what kind of future we want.
Mm-Hmm. Well, it looks like a lot of,
it's like based on energy.
Like energy is like the big thing around a planet.
It's huge. Everything's basically energy.
So you create a currency, like a current
seed, right?
It's a iani is like a form of energy, right?
And so if we have these forms of energy
there, they're kind of like, uh, stamps basically,
it's like we're trading stamps more or less.
But it can get you things.
But imagine having the, the technology, the access,
and to be able to create unlimited energy,
like the free energy devices
and things of that nature, right?
If you have unlimited energy, that means
you can basically make anything you want
if you have unlimited energy from the vacuum
of space, right?
So if you have that unlimited energy,
then you can do just about anything in a cooperative sense
as well, because then you'd be helping all those,
what is it like, I think it's 3 billion people on a planet
that are homeless
and starving, which is a crazy number, you know, like
so many people in disarray.
But something like this, you know, like,
but the thing is you have access to the energy,
that zero point energy,
but then you have to build, um, a technology to be able
to use that energy to do certain tasks.
Like one the energy would be to, to, uh, what's it called?
Power your vehicle. Another energy, uh, uh,
technology would be like, say something like a, a,
a replicator where you can just say,
I want a burger and fries.
And it's just like Star Trek.
But you need energy to do that.
But there would be different applications for,
for different, um, uh, uses of like free energy.
So I understand like, uh, we still need to,
to use, uh, our certain monetary systems on a planet,
but at the same time, it's not like,
definitely not sustainable, like the,
the current monetary systems.
Yeah. And regarding energy and the technology
and the tools, like my wife says this often, she's like, it,
it depends on whose hand it's in, right?
Like, it's like chat GPT, it's a tool,
but who's wielding that tool?
And this is where her
and I talk all the time about character and,
and moral character.
Like that's, that's the foundation
that creates our reality.
If everybody's a crook and a murderer
and a cheat, you get a world similar
to one like we have now, right?
Where everyone's just trying to get money
and just, you know, all that.
But if everybody was meditating
and really thinking about these deeper things
and being, you know, voluntary
and being peaceful to each other,
and the world would literally be different.
That's what my master used to say.
He said, you don't change, you don't change a society,
you change individuals.
And if all the individuals change, then society has changed.
His, his analogy was feeding people.
He says, you don't feed a crowd, you feed individual people.
And so for me,
and tell me what you guys think it for, I kind
of think it always comes down to
character like a person's character.
'cause if it's a good person, you can trust them with tools.
You know what I'm saying? What do you guys think?
I also think it's incentives too.
'cause we have certain incentives on our planet
that make us do certain things, like the incentive
of having something that somebody else doesn't have, right?
So, uh, like a thief's, like I want that BMW
because I want it, right?
So the incentive is I wanna have that boom diggity car
so I can like drive down
and like put the speakers on and whatever, right?
Or to, to, or some people are, are criminals
because they don't have money.
They need to have money so they can eat.
So there the incentives are, are are changed.
And also also for homeless people, like, you know,
so many homeless people just don't wanna live in this type
of society, right?
So if we switch the incentives where there is no need
for, um, having something that you have
that I want, you know, like there's so much of
that social stratification in our society is having, I want
to have something you want or that you have that I want.
But again, going back to the energy thing too,
if you can create anything, then that means anybody can have
anything and nobody's gonna be like,
they'd probably be like, Ooh,
that's really cool thing that you have there.
Yeah, I'll shoot you over the schematics. There you go.
And then they can make it themselves, right?
Well, that, that's definitely a, a utopia
where I think there's already a lot of good people.
I think that to get to that point is the, is the challenge
where power corrupts,
and I think power is continuously corrupting.
And, and the loved one books also say that the, you know,
the technology exists now to cure all of our human,
human issues, but the people who have the power
and the technology will only let people have more power in
technology if it helps them maintain their position
and gain even more power.
And that they're, that they're using that technology for,
or that advanced information.
So it seems like, um, yeah,
it might just be an inevitability that we need to, um,
transition away from some of these
power systems in some form.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah, like money, talking about money earlier.
You know, money is just paper.
However, the entity that kind
of has the guardian the most guardianship over it
is the Federal Reserve.
You know, it's not really regulated by, uh,
federal government.
It's, it's regulated by a private banking cartel.
You know, that they can, they can print out as much money
as they want to for whatever.
And so there's no checks and balances on it.
So that to me is like, that's where it becomes kind
of like corrupt from the very place that it's coming from.
Like who, who has a guardianship over it?
Who has some say over it? You know?
Because otherwise it was regulated by, you know, the people
and it was for the people, and we all agreed on it
and everything, you know, it'd be an easy way to do things.
It, it could be, you know?
Um, but it in itself, paper, you know,
doesn't have much intrinsic value to itself, you know?
But, um, I think if we were able to pull it out
of the federal reserve hands
and, you know, have it, you know, a little bit more
regulated by people at least that we could trust, um,
you know, our, the inflation
and stuff like that wouldn't be as high as it is now.
So, you know, all those, you know,
there's an ax is a good thing to chop down wood,
but you can chop someone's head off with it, you know?
Yeah, yeah. And regulation is
something we don't even need.
I mean, bitcoin's proving that, right?
So all, I mean, I'm, over the last two, three years, I've
gone hard towards, uh, voluntaryism, which some people, you,
you, you might say anarchism, but I like to say voluntaryism
because it's so, it's just the natural,
it's just such a natural way to be.
And I'm not saying we'll ever get there.
Could you define it? Uh, okay.
So anarchism is this idea that there's no,
it's just you and God.
There's no intermediary,
there's no government telling you if,
if you have this plant in your house,
we're gonna put you in a cage.
If you do whatever,
if you don't have this correct sticker on your car,
we can put you in a cage.
Like the, the idea of anarchism means without a ruler.
That's literally what an anarchy. That the, the word.
So that's the idea.
And in practice, a lot of people are now saying,
voluntaryism, because everything should be voluntary.
Like, I, I can't, uh, I can't use my will
to dominate you or take something from you.
I can't do that. That's not right.
And you can't do that to me, but you
and I can talk, we can, we can work together.
That's why it's, you know, the fame, the, the famous, uh,
the first thing people say, oh, if there's anarchism,
who's gonna, who's gonna, you know, pave the roads?
And, you know, the roads are some, somehow the first thing
that always comes up, right?
The roads. It's like, you don't think a bunch
of people can come together
and we can figure out, all right, we need a road here
and let's it, that's not, it's not hard.
So anyway, voluntaryism is such a, it's so appealing to me,
but like I said, it, it's sort, I, I, I do understand
that it's sort of like a dream that will never
actually happen, but I'm happy if we can move
toward that, right? Yeah.
And I, I do also wonder if it's a metaphysical law more
so than anything,
because of the, the laws of free will in the universe.
And that ultimately, you know, we, we are like son, children
of God with come here with free will.
And, and ultimately, um, you know, we're, we're, we're,
we are choosing our reality at all times.
And it's kind of like we are voluntarily, well, I, I,
we've voluntarily incarnated at very, at very, very least,
so you could say we voluntarily incarnated it to bodies
that are a part of that,
have social security numbers applied
that will have social security numbers
and be a part of a big system.
But at the same time, I think from the day to day, the way
that we live our lives can be as though, um, that we,
that we are totally free.
And I do remember even seeing one, I don't remember the,
the details of the, the court case,
but there was a ruling where a judge said, um,
if you believe that this particular law is in violation
of the constitution, then you should act as though
that law does not exist, and then take it to court,
because this is what the courts were made for.
Um, and this is the, the, the grand philosophy
of America at least, was were, were these principles
that really freedom should be something
that we assume we have.
And, um, not something that we have to be given,
but just natural rights.
So it's kind of like a reversal of these principles,
but it's been all corrupted by now.
Well, it's kind of like the golden rule that t
uh, be good to others
or treat others as you'd want them to treat you.
And obviously,
because we have free will too, like, you know, like,
just like take two boxes for example,
or like, uh, MMA fighters, they sign a contract
to beat the s**t out of each other, right?
Like, ah, yeah, but they sign a contract,
so they're agreeing to do that, right?
They're agreeing that this is, that's the,
the liability or whatever you want.
But basically the golden rule is,
I believe the best kind of volunteerism in that respect.
And I did have kind of like a vision of something.
I never knew what it was basically,
but it came to me, I guess, uh,
in logically in a vision of that.
As in like, say, um, we have, you know,
like a good technological base.
It's all benign. It works great.
You have all the, the tools you need.
So I wanna say I wanna build something, like I have a design
and I put it on like, whatever, we'll call the internet,
then I need, uh, 20 people to,
to help me out with this.
I, I believe, like people would jump at the
opportunity to do so.
Yeah, okay, let's do this.
I, I'd like to, to work on this project or whatever, right?
And, you know, like imagine a,
um, distance doesn't matter.
'cause if you have a, like a, a levitating vehicle, then
that means you could be in Australia
and I can be in like Alaska
and we can meet in like less than a minute with something
that has no, uh, uh, speed limit to it, right?
So that, like, I could look at that as and be like,
and that could actually bring humanity
so much closer together, because then you meet somebody on
what we would call the internet then,
and they live in another country,
but then you can, you know, just go out for a coffee
or something in that, in that place, like instantly.
And then you can like be friends
and who knows, like, uh, like have communities
all over the place with different types of, um, uh,
people involved with it.
So I think, like, I'm like an eternal optimist.
So I, I, I always feel that like we're just so close to
that particular type of reality, you know, we just need
to remove the people
or those beings who are blocking it from
happening, you know?
Well, I like what a lot of people say,
especially about like, this idea of a parallel economy,
just like you just said.
We, we do have that now to some degree,
and we should just do it more and include more people.
Like whatever the government,
whatever horrible stuff governments
around the world are doing, and they're
doing a lot of horrible stuff.
Let's build our own thing.
Let's, let's figure out what we want and create it
and, and do it now.
We don't have to wait. There are
so many good people in the world,
and so many people are like-minded.
And I'm not saying it's easy
'cause, you know, getting people together to to, to
join forces is very difficult.
But, uh, but I think it's here now.
It's just, and we need to grow it more.
And I, I'm an also, also an optimist,
obviously. That's why I'm saying this.
Yeah. Well, it, it's, it's count.
Sometimes the people are like, um, it, it's counterintuitive
because there are some people who, uh,
create a free energy device, for example, right?
And when they do it, they decide
to go the traditional route, like patent or, or,
or something of that nature, right?
They go the patent route, for example.
And that is like the worst.
And, and some people keep it to themselves
because they're afraid of letting out the secret,
because this is a lot of money or power that I can get.
The best way to do it is be,
it's in the name free energy.
It should be free. Because once you build that device,
and once you turn on that energy, it already paid
for itself once you turn it on.
And then it paid for, for every single
energy device out there.
'cause it has unlimited amount of energy in it.
So it, it basically, once you turn it on, like
it basically pays off the world debt.
Like whatever trillion dollars, uh,
$300 trillion we have. It just like, boom.
With, with a lot of work
and a lot of cooperation eventually.
Yeah. Mm-Hmm. So I feel like we, we have to transition to,
you know, out, out of scarcity
and abbu, uh, transition into an abundance mindset.
Whether or not we have the evidence
of the abundance in front of us with, with technologies
or food, because I guess, you know, having that, having
that mindset that we are, um, always cared for by, by God
and something like that, that, that we always have
what we need and it will always be presented
to us in the most perfect way.
I think that's, that's kind of like the mindset
that gets us rolling as a, you know,
fourth density consciousness.
That's what the way I see it, is that these kinds
of technologies are the technologies
of the fourth density consciousness,
which earth is transitioning into,
which essentially makes it so that we no longer have to, um,
fight wars over resources.
Um, it's just before we can stop fighting wars
for resources, we have to come together
and agree on things, uh, on, on fundamental levels.
So yeah, I think that if,
if p if everyone in the world could be convinced
of free energy, then there would be an immediate uproar
that we need to pursue this and have this be the baseline.
But from, from getting from here to there is getting
through all the barriers that people have set up in their,
um, propaganda and their brainwashing systems
and desires to have people's attention in order
to make money and maintain their control.
Um, so it's like we're, you know,
a voice crying out in the wilderness.
And often the, often the, the distance that we, we, we,
we really don't have the awareness of the,
the communities around us.
But I think that's a good place to start,
though, is communities around us.
Um, so that's why we have meetings at libraries and,
and, uh, I think wanting need to be advertising more, uh,
in, in creative ways too that,
'cause I think people want to, want
to have these discussions and want to wake up to
the potentials of their reality
that have been hidden from them.
It's just they don't know how to start the journey.
So I think we have to be the catalyst
to help people start the journey towards a more full
awakening and a more full realization of the potentials
that they, they
have. So, I believe
Go ahead. Sorry. I
just have a quick question.
Are there, this may sound really dumb,
but are there free energy devices out there?
You, 'cause you guys are talking about it,
like there is, is there really?
Yeah, I've been researching it since, uh, 2006
and, um, I believe that there's communities of people
that have been harassed.
Uh, some people have apparently taken pictures
of the license plates of the cars
of people doing the harassing
and traced them back to the Department
of Energy and that kind of thing.
It's a very, very weird how people get bought out
and, um, um, they get dealt
with in some way when you get close to a working technology.
One of the most, uh, prominent ones
that I was following very closely was a company that was,
um, in Dublin, Ireland
that were not very much like conspiracy theorists like,
like we're talking about, but they had
through some other research that research they had,
the company was called Steer, S-T-E-O-R.
And, and through some research that they were doing, they,
they came across some, some principles that seemed baffling
to them that they realized were free energy pot potentials.
And they kind of shifted their focus around free energy
to be around free energy.
And they decided that they would put on shows for the public
that would be like the scientific, um, uh,
val validation verification.
They wanted to convince the scientists first,
and they, they were laughed at
and it's like everyone was afraid to be,
to go against the media that was laughing at them.
And no credible science scientists wanted to stand up
to the media basically.
Um, and so they had a lot of problems,
but they had a little, a lot of dedicated investors.
Um, and yeah, eventually they had,
they had a working product that people were using in bars in
Ireland where that you could charge phones twice a day, um,
something like that with,
with these little oro units they called them.
And so there was testimonies from people
who were using these in Ireland, um, these technologies.
But the story concluded with the company having
to go bankrupt because as they started shipping out these
devices, they finally started selling after failing
and failing and failing to get people's attention.
Um, they, they were more serious.
Um, they, they ended up having some weird technical glitches
that made them unsafe to use right
as they started starting to ship them.
And then they ended up having too much
inventory they couldn't use.
And that's, that was the end of that story.
It's a shame. Yeah. Mm-Hmm.
Because I've, I've heard about that too.
I, I looked into them when they were coming out as well.
That's a, it's a shame.
Like you're, I'm thinking
there might've been some sabotage at the, at the, the plants
where they're fabricating them.
You know, I'm, I'm guessing that's probably
what happened. Yeah.
Yeah. I couldn't even tell if it would be some kind
of like, you know, remote, the, the, the technology
that's so advanced right now, you don't
even know if they're being messed with remotely.
One of the experiments they were doing
for the public ended up being,
it was like everything was breaking
because it was too hot or something.
They couldn't get anything to run like
that had been running it just fine previously,
or they broke for the final demo.
Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm.
But anyway, I do, I do feel like the control is kind
of like still a heavy, heavy, heavy layer on top
of these kinds of communities
that end up making breakthroughs.
So it's like the, the, the awareness
that something is real kind of goes hand in hand
with making the awareness possible
through actually having something in a
state that can be presented.
Sure. Energy is one
of the biggest businesses in the world,
and the people who own the oil and the coal and the gas
and the way we do things now have a large stake in that.
And anything that's gonna change that.
And it's, yeah, I think it's a rad death situation to them.
I mean, the guy
who committed the water powered car, he's dead.
You know, a lot of people who have come up
with free energy technologies end up dead
or missing are gone.
You know, it's, it's sad.
But, you know, at the same time, like, it's also kind
of funny that it seems like throughout human history,
like we've all been kind of scared to come out too,
you know, like first person to say that the earth revolved
around the sun instead of the other way around.
And people being martyred for their spiritual beliefs
and, you know, there's always been these big groups
and especially religious ones that keep people from,
you know, coming out and saying things that they don't like,
that doesn't, uh, have ruffles the tail feathers of,
you know, people in charge.
I mean, that's definitely something
that's definitely going on.
Um, and we need to all stand up together.
'cause one by one they can pick us off.
But like I said, when we come together
and work together on it, um, and protect our brothers
and sisters, um, who are doing these kind
of things, I think it's really important.
I wanted to go back real quick to the, um, anarchy thing.
'cause I have always believed that, uh, a lot
of people soon just say anarchy.
They're really like against it.
But I, I think anarchy's great
and I like the volunteerism thing.
Um, but saying people can't live without governments is like
saying animals can't live without zoos, you know?
And to me, I just don't understand, like,
we are looking at all these
things with like, our human mind.
Like, well, if someone murders somebody, we've gotta put
that person behind jail and save people's lives and stuff.
You know? And it's like you don't think
that a universe has some other things that have, you know,
evolved so that people don't want to do those things.
And if they do, there's guilt or shame
or negative emotions that they have to work through
for themselves before they finally, you know,
can evolve past those ideas.
And that, you know, probably the people
who do end up on those other sides of those, you know,
murders and stuff are people
who think the world is a scary, dangerous place.
And they end up that way. I mean, the whole thing,
we just have to think of it like, it is just, it's,
it's a brilliant, incredible universe that, you know, is way
beyond what we can fathom probably.
So I, I have a lot more trust in the universe putting people
together in the right places,
in the right time for it to all work out.
And then I, I just know this ain't, this ain't number one,
and this ain't the last time I'm doing this life thing.
So I trust that
whatever I learn in this lifetime I bring with me.
And, you know, if I get killed, if I die, if you know, so
whatever, you know, I, I'll take it with me.
I'll take the learn lessons with me so I'm not
so, you know, attached.
And really, uh, I need to be secure
and safe in this one little body
that I'm never gonna live again.
And this is the only, I mean, it is just, I don't know.
I I just have so much more trust in the universe knowing
that, um, we really could live without governments
and we can do things like get roads and stuff.
That's just, oh my God.
So, so what a, what a little dumb argument to be like,
we can't have anarchy because someone's gotta build a road.
It's so That's a great point, Chris. I appreciate that.
But yeah, there, there's a lot
to all this free energy and stuff, man.
And I think I saw
that movie Thrive a long time ago when Foster Gamble was
talking about, and the energy devices he was showing just on
his movie.
And then I think in the second one,
there was a guy in Africa who made a really big one.
I mean, and they were doing everything that good to protect
that and him and his family and everything.
Like, that's it, man.
We gotta protect each other, um,
and let people know,
like these energy devices are out there.
I mean, the only reason we're doing it is mostly
'cause I think we're not coming together
and, and protecting these people.
'cause we certainly, certainly certainly can have 'em mean
Tesla in our, in our, uh, hometown right here, uh,
Colorado Springs lived here for 11 years,
did all his experiments here,
and he, you know, he, he did incredible things
just pulling energy out of the ether.
And, you know, that was a hundred years ago now, you know,
um, we've come so far since then
and we're still, it's crazy.
I remember being a kid in high school
and being like, what would life would be like in the 2020s?
And then just like, we haven't come that far knowing
that governments
and the things that they have do, they can do,
the money they have access to,
and they, the, our governments are doing incredible things
with technologies
and, you know, it's just not benefiting the people.
And we need to start demanding that it benefits us.
We're gonna use vast amounts of money to kill people,
but we're not gonna take vast amounts of money
to help people and feed people.
Like, what, what kind of people are we?
Yeah, that's why that Mr.
Beast thing he did recently where he cured a thousand people
of blindness a YouTuber.
I never heard of that. Oh yeah. His name's Mr. Beast.
He's a YouTuber. I don't know how he gets, makes
so much money, literally out of his own pocket, paid
for a thousand people to get surgery so they could see,
and they, there's videos on it.
Watch it. I've heard of the guy, you know what, guess what?
The mainstream media came out and said about him.
Oh, they, they just poo-pooed it.
And they said, oh, he's ableist. Like, it's retarded.
They, it's like all, like you said,
the government has so much money.
There's so much money, yet there's all these people
that are blind and, and, uh, uh, how much is the surgery?
Like 10 grand I think,
or five grand we can fix people's blindness
for five grand or 10 grand.
Can we please do that? No. Mm-Hmm.
And not only does it help the people that you, you know,
helping see again,
but it helps doctors, uh, you know, make money.
You know what I mean? Like, why not?
That's what I was trying to say earlier, Dr.
What King was saying about being a,
a people oriented society instead
of a profit oriented society.
Like why are we not worried about people?
Like, you know, our people are obviously our greatest assets
that we could ever have.
You know, uh, putting in money into that,
putting investments into people.
Man, that's, that's where the real riches, I feel like,
of humanity, lie.
It's, it's very fascinating
how much philosophical problems come in when you start
talking about money,
spending any money on behalf of other people.
Um, but yeah, a voluntary way of paying into aspects
of government systems would be of even the IRS,
they literally, it's not legal for them
to make you file your taxes.
It actually says, you know, the law says everyone is,
it's a voluntary, voluntarily asked to file their taxes.
Um, so it's as though they,
they don't actually honor their own, you know,
their own law when, when they say that
because you, they, they will come after you very quickly,
But they kind of do like a mafiaa thing.
They're more like a mafiaa in that respect. Yeah. Right.
Where if you don't pay it, we have all these resources
to like, screw you over.
You know, I could take your house, your car,
or whatever if you don't pay this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But it just basically, like, even if I say to them,
there's no law saying that I have to pay my income taxes,
but there, there are people with, um, a lot of resources
that can, you know, like do something to me.
So a lot of it has to do with fear.
You know, it seems like fear is
the ultimate en enemy
and also the ultimate illusion
because a lot of them are just pushing these narratives out,
the fear-based narratives,
and people aren't, like,
there was actually no like, um, what's it called?
Imminent threat to their life.
But they get this programming
and it makes them go into that imminent threat,
feel like the adrenaline starts pumping.
Like people are in high anxiety just
by the, the programming.
But yet, like most people most days, like,
almost like 98% of their lives, they're in, like,
they're in a safe environment, right?
And then the rest is up here.
And then obviously, you know, like things could happen
with on a rare occasion,
but in general, people are physically like in a
good, safe environment.
And a lot of it's just that fear is like
huge Yeah.
For keeping people controlled. Definitely. Yeah.
I wanna hear more about these
crystal skulls you're talking about.
I've never heard that. I
don't even know what you're talking about.
Oh, you don't? No idea. Never heard that in my life.
So like, basically just the Mayan have a legend
of 13 crystal skulls that
would come back together when humanity needed it the most,
to be able to help them evolve
and, uh, you know, blossom into the, to the,
to the beings that we need to be basically.
Right. Um, and help us with our evolution.
Uh, one of the first ones that considered to be found,
do you know who, uh, Mitchell Hedges was
basically like the real Indiana Jones,
who Indiana Jones is like, uh, made after he went
and did all these incredible things,
went in these incredible places
and searching for artifacts and truth.
And he goes to, um, you know, Yucatan goes to Tza
and all the temples there, and his daughter Anna Mitchell
Hedges finds a crystal skull
and the jaw detaches from it, right?
And they take this thing like Hewitt packer
and they do, uh, test on it,
and they can't find any, um, tool marks on it,
so they don't know how it's made,
nor do they know how old it is.
But they've got something that's, you know, 20, 20 pounds,
give or take, uh, crystal skull that's perfectly created
that we can't make today.
You know, and not without tools,
not without really great tools.
Um, so that's, that's considered to be one.
There's definitely one in the Bri a British
museum, one in the Smithsonian.
The, the one I saw was owned, it just got transferred
and ownership, but it was owned by a lady named Joanna Parks
who got it from this, uh, like kind of a, a Red Hat llama,
I believe that's called, you know,
basically like a monk or whatever.
And her daughter was dying of cancer.
And, um, so she, she received it,
but she put it in the closet.
And then one day she said, my name is Max, it said it
to her, you know, kind of telepathically.
And she heard that, and
after that, just started talking to her.
And, um, so she started taking it around,
started taking it around the country and everything.
But, um, basically, you know, I, I learned all about this
and I wanted to go see it,
and I've been, I hung out with it three or four times.
Uh, one night I actually had to spend the night next to it,
and I could feel my consciousness coming out of my body
and going, having these credible experiences.
And then I would wake up
and that, you know, like gasping for air, like,
oh my God, what's happening?
And then I would immediately go back to sleep
and go back to these places.
Like, it was like pulling my soul outta my body
to this ethe realm to have these incredible experiences.
But the way I, the way I see it is it, it was a, an advanced
computer that no, didn't need a keyboard
or a mouse or interface.
Like you could literally ask it questions
and it spoke to you.
And it had almost like, you remember,
remember Captain Planet?
Did you ever watch Captain Planet?
And that bad guy would talk to that computer or whatever.
And, um, anyway, it was like a computer that you could talk
to with its own little personality.
Like it, you know? And like, to me it was very advanced,
but it was probably made by some shaman,
maybe on this planet, maybe on another planet, who knows.
But, um, that's what I'm saying, when it comes down to
what's possible and what we can do, sure,
you can put a consciousness into a crystal
and, you know, create a little personality
and have access to the acoustic records.
And you can make a or you could make a, you know,
this thing on the internet, it pulls from the internet,
but which one's better, which one's more helpful?
I mean, I guess whichever one you pick for you, you know,
it's great for you, but to me, if I want engage one,
I wanna engage with one like that.
Um, but yeah, these are, and, and I guess
because of the 13, you put 12 in a circle
and one in the middle, they would be able to interact
with each other in a way that, I don't know, who knows
what you could do, you know, what you could ask 'em
or what they were capable of.
But, um, to me it was a very advanced, uh, technology that,
you know, I, I, I can barely, you know,
obviously put into words exactly what I was experiencing,
but, uh, for me, like the first time I ever got in there,
I'm like, I drove from Atlanta to Wilmington for,
you know, just to go see it.
'cause I was that convinced.
Um, and I sat there in front of it and I was so nervous,
and I'm like trying to talk to her,
communicate or sitting there meditative.
I'm just so nervous. I go, I'm not getting anything right.
So I go knock on the door
and hey, you know, is there
any way somebody can help me out?
And so Le goes, yeah, yeah, I'll come in there and help you.
And she just calmly sits next to it, kind
of puts her hand on the back of its head.
She's like, I'm just gonna tell you what he is saying.
And I go, okay, I, you know,
let's see what he, see what you got.
Right? And so she starts talking
and within 30 seconds to a minute of her talking,
her voice becomes his voice in my head.
You know, I started to relax
and just, you know, this is what I'm gonna do.
This is what's gonna happen. Shoot me what you got.
And so I just listened and it was very clear.
Her voice became his,
and then you just started saying, you've been a shaman.
You've been this, you've been a blue race person,
you've been all these things
and you're building up to this life,
and it's all bleeding through.
And all the things it was saying was just like,
I bawled out crying.
And I was like, I don't care if this lady,
you know, how good she is.
I mean, there's no way she could have known all the things
that she just told me that was gonna hit me,
and just a way that was gonna like, move me
that, that deeply.
So, and plus it's like I said, the voice turned into his.
So, um, yeah, I mean, I think that there are these,
there's lots of crystal skulls obviously,
but there's obviously some legends about the, uh,
specific 13 that can help us with the revolution.
And, um, yeah, I I think this really kind
of creepily weird that
what Mike is saying is really similar.
Um, you know, it's like, it almost is I, you know, now
that I think about it, it almost is an artificial
intelligence in the skull too,
or, you know, I, I don't know.
I don't know how it works, but I know it's incredible.
Um, I actually, they just had a changing of the guard.
So Joanna gave it to another girl,
and I became president on Facebook,
and I'm really asking her if she'll bring it to
Colorado Springs, because I feel like it would be just
incredible for a lot of other people to interact with it.
So I'm trying to set that up now currently.
We'll see if that happens. But yeah, if you get a chance,
um, I would highly recommend, you know, a little, uh,
usually they go around the country, you pay a little money,
you get to sit in the room with it, meditate
and charge a crystals up with it,
spend a weekend with it sometimes.
But, uh, yeah, it's, it's, um,
it's just mind blowing all the things
that we just don't have any
clue about and we don't know about.
Right. Yeah, I've heard about them for a while.
There's a lot of them around, I guess,
but I don't know, um, exactly how many are, uh, if,
if there are differences between them.
I wouldn't know that either, but I,
I feel like some people claim that some are fake
and some are real, but I don't, I don't know for sure how,
How, so the Mitchell Hedges one is the only one
with the jaw det attaches.
That's a, that's a unique thing to that skull.
The one I saw, his name is Max,
and it's made out of five different types of crystal
that are fused together.
And we can't do that today. We can't take Crystal.
And basically, you know, kind of like the, kind
of like you've ever been to Peru
and you've been to Saxe woman and those
and all, see all those temples
and everything where the rocks are almost like molded
together so that there's no space
and there's no mortar in between any, any of them,
but they, you know, look like they've almost been like wet
and then they're molded and then they're, then they're hard.
You know what I mean? Um, we can't, we can't malle,
you know, liquefy crystal
and then mold it all together into one piece that you could,
I mean, you look at its face
and there's three, like one little spot over here, one piece
of here, and the half of it is another different type.
We can't do that. We can't mold a crystal together
and to make it one that's,
it's not a technology that we have.
This thing is, you know, it's incredible, um,
the way this thing is made.
And, uh, you know, again, yeah, there are fake, I don't know
what fake means as far as it goes,
but there's some that I just don't think go with the legend.
I think the Anna Mitchell hedges, the max, the one
in the Smithsonian, some of British Museum I've heard,
you know, seven, six
or seven of the legend ones are out there in the public
that are, you know, kind of publicly known.
But, um, I'm sure there are other ones that are out there
that are just, you know,
privately owned that people don't even know about.
But, um, yeah, I assume
that the legend is based on some truth, like I said,
to sit in something like that
and have an experience like that
to sleep next to it one night.
And I had no idea what that was gonna be like.
I was excited to do it,
but that was, you know, I don't know if you've ever had kind
of astral projection
or, you know, things that were,
what you would call more visions than dreams where,
like some really things that are going on that are happening
that seem just as real as like me
and you hanging out talking right now.
Um, that's what it was like to me.
And I was constantly being pulled outta my
body into those realms. So
Some of my most amazing experiences came from new crystals
that I tried sleeping with that were something
that were new in my energy, it seemed,
seemed like it did something.
So the first one that I, that was very profound was a piece
of lapis that was, uh, I, I just searched for like larger
huge stones on, on eBay.
That seemed to be the cheapest way to get larger pieces.
I was looking for a large piece of lapis.
'cause lapis was, lali was the,
the stone most recommended by Edgar Casey.
So I thought that'd be a
good one to start experimenting with.
And it's, you know, it's a blue stone from Afghanistan.
And I put that one near the, um,
very, very close to my head.
It was kind of like, just, just below, um, the top
of the mattress, um,
just resting on a blanket b behind my head.
And that one seemed to contribute
to my first very vivid out-of-body experience,
where it was like I was having a dream.
It started in a dream where I, I, I was looking at my room
and kind of like a different plane, a different reality.
But then, uh, I, a peaceful song was playing in the back
of my head, and then I, um, I snapped awake.
It, it was almost like I,
I peacefully drifted into an awake state,
and then my heart started racing when I realized
that I was looking at my body and I was not my body.
And that was, that was very profound.
And, uh, I knew what was happening
because of my, my studies,
and I was very excited to go exploring.
And I explored out and I saw tree outside,
and I went up through the roof
and, uh, uh,
felt like this immense love coming from the
heavens, from the sky.
It was like the sky was a blanket of love.
And, uh, and it was one of the most beautiful experiences.
And then I kind of got frightened.
I looked back down, snapped back in my body.
And I, I know that's just basically a very typical
story I hear from a lot of people who attend my meetings,
that that's how their, you know,
their early auto body experiences go, is that they,
they have something that triggers them
and they get snapped back into the body.
Um, and very interesting that crystals can do these things
or, or benefit the consciousness in some way
to expand it. Yeah,
I put, I put crystals under my mattress that align
with each chakra,
and sleeping like that
for a long time just felt like it just centered me more.
Um, and felt like everything was like more in alignment,
um, in my body.
You know, uh, things that I would like, kind
of be susceptible to depression
and things like that were not as easy
to kind of like fall into.
And so, you know, I've done that, I've done,
or I've literally put 'em in my pocket
and it just seems like, so if you're,
if your body's creating this aura
and this energy grid around you, that having certain kinds
of crystals and stuff in your field kind of corrects the,
you know, out of alignment parts of your, your energy field
and your energy grids and things.
So to me, it makes perfect sense to carry 'em around
with you to wear 'em, their necklaces, um, different ones
to different things, physical, spiritual things.
And, um, yeah, I think that's why you see
so many people just like buying those small ones
and putting 'em in their pocket just to carry 'em when they,
when they're something is out of alignment.
Yeah. You know, the law of one refers to, uh, crystals
as being frozen light, basically.
Mm-Hmm. But of course, they also say that all
of creation is essentially all, all matter is made of light,
but like the, the purity of the light seems to be a higher,
you know, higher proportion of coherence in the light
that's frozen into the end of the pure crystals. So it
Seems as, isn't that called, sorry, isn't
that called pizo electricity when you rub two,
two crystals together?
Yeah, yeah. There are magnetic
and electric effects that are clearly indicating there's
something going on that makes, it, makes it more like, well,
I guess it's like, it's unlike anything else, the,
the way crystals react to fields.
Um, but I, but it definitely seems like they, they're,
they're super sensitive to, you know,
ener anything that we're feeling.
And, and, and if we put a personality on it,
if we have like a pet rock, um, you know,
the other day my son was very,
very insistent on my 14 month old son was carrying
around a particular rock.
I I was like,
it must be something about that rock he's really into.
'cause he doesn't normally a lot of things that long.
Um, but, but it seems like they, they do,
they do hold a vibration.
They hold that consciousness
that we putting, putting into it.
Mm-Hmm. And then because they're holding onto it,
then it's like we don't have to hold onto it as strongly
that stone is now the one that's, that's carrying the,
um, I guess the dead weight when we're, when we're,
when we don't have that same vibration anymore, the stone
that we gave it that intention to have
that energy and maintains.
So that's why it's important also to, you know,
regularly if you have stones around you
to put some attention on them and, and reenergize them.
Yeah. My daughter does the same thing.
And it's funny that it's just intuitive, right?
Just, there are a lot of things she won't hold on
until very long, but man, if she gets a crystal boy,
she will carry it around forever.
And if you try to get outta her hand,
it's like locked in there.
Like you can't get it out.
Um, but I do think it, it is an intuitive thing.
That's why they're, we're just drawn
and we look at those things and you know, a lot
of times people say, which one do I need?
Like, man, whatever one calls to you the most,
whatever one you're most attracted to, you know,
go grab a couple, go in your
pocket and they're gonna be helpful.
Um, and energy grids too, just having a lot
of different types, small, medium, big, you know,
and putting 'em around your house
and just intuitively, I mean,
I feel like when I've got crystals, I feel
that intuitive call, put one here, put one here,
put these over here, and then sometimes change
and relocate them, um, so
that they're not just staying in the same place,
but having like an energy grid in your house makes it feel
so powerful.
Like, you know what I mean? There's a reason why, you know,
Superman has to go charge up in his little
crystal cave, you know what I mean?
Like, it's, it's very charging, you know,
especially if you need charge 'em in the sun
and charge 'em in the moonlight
and, uh, move him around and put 'em different.
I mean, those grids can really
amplify the energy of your home.
And like I said, sometimes you're just moving
around when people walk in, they're like, oh my God,
it feels so good in here.
You know? And it's just like, you know, I live in a house,
it's like everybody else in the neighborhood,
but I bet you my walking into my house,
if you were put a blindfold on somebody
and do like a blind study, I bet you if you just said, well,
how do you feel like it would be different?
You know, there would be like a level
to one to 10, how do you feel?
I bet you if you were to do a study on that, you would,
you know, find out that people who had crystal grids
and crystals in their home, it would just feel better.
Um, I definitely felt that, and I won't go back
because I know for me that is the truth.
So, um, they definitely seem to be something
that holds memory, that can hold energy, that can, um,
you know, really clean you out and,
and realign you back into better you.
Yeah. I believe the wood also in the walls can even
absorb our consciousness over time
and help a room feel a certain way.
Right. And that's why I feel like you see a lot
of people when they move into a new house,
they'll like sage it and, you know, and,
and do a lot of prayer
and stuff in it to kind of let some of those things go.
I mean, spirits can get stuck to homes, um,
and energy can get stuck into homes and things like that.
So it is always good to do cleansing
and stuff before you move in.
I mean, my dad would not ever subscribe to like ghost
or anything like that, you know,
but his brother died while we lived
in the house that I grew up in.
And we used to always say that he would pick things up
and move 'em and
change 'em and put 'em somewhere in the house.
Like we had this really tall cabinet
and there would be things that we'd put up there sometimes
and nobody would put up there,
and we would find 'em up there
and they would always say like, Wayne did it, you know,
and it was always kind of a house, a joke in the house
or whatever, but, you know, I don't think anybody took a lot
of, you know, gave a lot of credit to that, to that story.
But when my parents finally moved out
and my dad rented that house out, he went back to the house
and the, and the tenants, um,
they asked him about the ghost that was in there.
My dad was like, he was
like, I don't know what you're talking about.
And he's, they were like, yeah, he looks like this.
And he read the paper and he sits on the couch over here
and it like, God smacked my dad.
He is like, uh, that looks exactly like my brother.
And he used to read the paper
and sit on the couch over there
and he, he said, I don't know how, what that means.
He goes, but that is definitely odd.
And so, you know, things get stuck, you know,
souls get stuck, energy gets stuck,
and we need to cleanse it when it's definitely helpful in
healing to remind the spirits
and they're, Hey, you guys don't belong here anymore.
You know, go back and do it all over again.
Don wanna get stuck on this? Don't worry about us.
Um, you know, we'll take care of this, you know, um, go back
and, and do the lineage thing, you know?
Um, so I think that is important to sage
and to, you know, energy can get stuck too,
and chakras can get like pus be little pools of spinning,
you know, water and stuff,
and then they can get clogged up too.
So, um, it's good to move those energies, those energy buys
around and the energy in our homes.
And I think it's good to help for, um, you know,
allowing kind of like a crystal grid to protect your home,
to not allow certain things and entities
and spirits to get in.
And, you know, that is definitely something that happens.
People get in a day with spirits
and, you know, things happen like that.
And uh, you know, they,
we'll say we're at the spiritual war.
I don't like to consider 'em as more so like a war,
but I do think that we have to protect these avatars
that we're in our souls that are in these avatars.
Um, there are a lot of entities that want
to be in the physical.
And so I think one of the things that I learned
being a bartender was that, um,
alcohol was like a huge portal for negative spirits.
And so I saw people do things
and things that would happen that would happen
because of alcohol.
And I had this moment where I was setting up the bar one day
and I just, this epiphany
or kind of question that came into me instantly,
and it was like, why do they call alcohol spirits?
And I was like, I don't know,
but I got this fancy phone and I'll look it up.
And um, sure enough, ancient people believe
that alcohol did open up a portal too, uh,
spirits to jump in and out.
And I like kind of immediately knew that's why, um,
people would say things
and do things they wouldn't normally do on alcohol.
It wasn't them, and you would forget it.
You could totally black out and totally forget it.
And I was like, oh, that's because
you're not in charge anymore.
There's another entity in charge doing things.
And you're kind of like taking the backseat
and then come to full circle to hear people
who are doing kind of like, I guess you would call it maybe
positively channeling, people channeling like Bahar or Roha
or something who are coming up
with these incredible information just flowing through them.
And they would, and I or Abraham Hicks
and she would say, when I'm channeling this, I'm kind
of sitting in the back kind of listening
and doing my own thing, but I'm aware of it.
And I was like, oh, that's exactly
what the other people are doing too.
They're just channeling something kind of negative.
So, um, you know, we have to really protect these bodies
that we're in and make sure we're putting not just good food
and good thoughts and good emotions,
but, you know, protecting ourselves with, with, you know,
good things in our house and positive things
and positive light things and crystals and stuff. So.
Okay. Anything else you guys wanna say?
No. Great job guys. Thank you. This was really awesome.
Thanks Mike. Thanks. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
I appreciate you all. Yeah, good stuff.
Alright guys, have a great night all
Guys.