Thank you guys for joining.
Uh, I look forward
to having another fun spiritual discussion.
And this subject I thought w would be fun
to talk about would just be the subject of I identity
and the que the questioning of identity
and where is the source of identity coming from,
and how do we understand what, what that concept is,
and how much it's a false identity
that we've stuck ourselves with,
and how many different layers of false identity are there?
Or is there no such thing as false identity?
And it's all just an illusion of separation
and a sense of separate identity.
Um, and maybe that's really all there is.
So doesn't necessarily make sense to call it more true
or less true if it's just like a game that we're playing.
Um, and I, I, I, I had a really, I, I, I found a,
I watched an interview with the CEO of OpenAI, Sam Altman,
and he brought up an interesting point, which is
that in the future, let's say you want an AI assistant,
he was saying maybe you would have an option if,
if you tell the AI assistant everything that you wanted
to know about you, so that it can represent you,
it can either, uh, it can either act on your behalf as a,
and call itself a representative.
I'm representing this person,
or it can pretend that it's you,
and it can be like a ghost of you where it's like when,
when you're texting someone,
you don't actually know if you're talking
to their AI assistant pretending to be them,
or if it's actually them you're getting,
and he was saying this could be a serious problem in the
future, and people would probably wanna have
some clarity around that.
Um, but then I realized what's the actual difference between
my brain telling my body to pretend that it's me
or my soul telling my brain to pretend that it's me.
And on, on what layer it, it is just like,
also when we're driving around in cars out on the street
and you see a car do something erratic, you're like, oh,
man, I hate that guy.
Wait, wait a minute. Do, are you saying the car is that guy
that's inside that car?
Are you, are you assuming that this person is the car now?
And, and it's like we ob we have just these layers
of vehicles of pretending that we are these, these things,
um, that, that we're manifesting.
Um, and, and, but,
but there's also a, well, maybe I should start with that.
We'll start with it. We'll start there.
Any, any thoughts on that subject?
Yeah. Yeah. Like, uh, I don't, I don't think
that your brain is telling you to pretend that you're you,
unless you're, you're like, I mean, you, are you, right?
Like, when someone says, oh, you're not,
you don't seem like yourself.
Like, how can I not seem like myself?
You know, unless you're being fake. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
That's a very weird, weird one.
How do you know when you're being yourself
versus not being yourself?
Well, do we wanna go?
'cause I can, I, I wanna, my inclination is
to go all the way deep to the answer.
That's good. What, we'll, Do we wanna start there
or do we wanna work up to that?
No, we can go all the way deep,
like circle the rim a little
before you go all the way deep in.
Yeah. All right. Then, then you guys go ahead
and talk for a little bit, but Yeah,
Or just go deep, man. Just go deep.
All right. I'll say it all. Is Maya, by the way.
Not You all. Is Maya
Recording?
Okay. Chris, what is Maya?
Well, all is Maya.
Maya is illusion,
and it, this is an Eastern idea that all is Maya.
Everything's an illusion.
Anything that you can think of is an illusion.
So the, that car's an illusion.
The guy driving that car is an illusion.
Everything is a nested illusion,
and it's not, it's not real.
It's relatively real. So, okay.
So we can choose, we can,
with our conscious minds right now, we can choose
to focus on the car or the guy in the car,
or the personality within the guy.
Like, you can choose, choose your illusion, right?
I think I might make an album like that.
Didn't Guns N Roses have an album called Use Your Illusion?
Well, really, the, my album's gonna be Choose Your Illusion
because that's, that's what we're doing.
Yeah. Hmm. Well, I was,
You went deep.
Something along that line though, is that
what's, what's the difference between True and truth?
Right? What's true is, say
we're talking about the identity, right?
So say I say, um, I am,
uh, a Superman.
I am the identity of Superman.
I have the Cape, I have the flying
powers and all that kind of stuff.
Uh, the whole thing. I just say, that's what I am.
It's true that I said it,
but I can't, I can't show you the evidence that I can do
what Superman does.
So that's not the truth.
It's true that I said it, it's true
that I made that statement.
So you can make the statement that reality is true,
but is it the truth?
Hmm. So what's, I would just go ahead.
Going on with our, our, our, our identity is certainly a lot
of assumptions around saying, I am this, I am that
I am clearly this body, and I'm clearly more than the body.
We, we alternate what we, we identify with.
Um, so we don't really question it enough.
And that's part, part, partly what I wanna get to is like,
is there any value in using the word I or me, or my,
and just allowing that assumption of truth to, to remain
and, and not actually say is, is there,
is there something deeper here that's working through this
physical vehicle, through these thoughts
that I'm identified with?
Yeah, I think it's the reflection
of the ultimate identity, which is really not an identity,
but it's like, like a fractal explosion, kind
of like the Big bang is like the, the, the fractal of
that personality just exploding outwards.
And we're all separate, seemingly separate, uh,
um, entities
or things that make it so yeah.
In, in, in one way.
And, and we're all unique in that respect in
kind of like a snowflake.
Every snowflake's different.
Well, you know, I just wanna say too is like,
you can have like your own illusion of,
of your self identity.
Like, you can say, I'm Superman,
and you can feel like Superman,
and you can think you're Superman,
and you can say you're Superman, but when you get shot
and you're bleeding, you're not really Superman.
Um, but in your mind, everything, it's all true
until it's not right?
But like our eyeballs, I mean, our, our, everything
that we see is our eyeballs interpreting something
that the light, that light is hitting.
And that's the question is like,
is this physicality even real?
Or is it just the way I'm interpreting it?
And that kind of goes to like,
if you like the way you expect things
or the way you think things are,
the way you think you appear to other people, the way you,
like, when you hear your own voice in a recording
and you're like, oh, I sound like that.
It's like, I didn't think I sounded like that,
but to everyone else, it's just the way you sound.
To a certain degree, I agree that it is an illusion,
but I do think that you are you,
and even in this lifetime, you're gonna be you.
And you might not be thinking
or picturing you as you, that really exists.
But when you die, if you come back as a different person,
there's gonna, you're, it's still gonna be you
to a certain point.
So I think like that goes to like your core identity.
And then there's like your illusion
of your self identity, right?
In this permanent or in this temporary life.
So like, there's your permanent identity, which is like,
you know, your mannerisms, your traits, your maybe some
of your values, your core principles
that maybe would transfer into even different lives
that maybe you're not even aware of.
But then there's like this, this flavor
that you're being now, you know, which is Randy,
which is Mike, which is John, which is Chris.
And, and, and in this life, you're,
you're being an expression of that core version of yourself.
You know what I mean? So that's why people are getting so,
you know, where they're like, they're vibrating in an
irregular wet rate or something, and,
and they're, they're outta tune with their core self
because they're pushing the illusion so far in this life
that it's becoming abstract.
Like, oh, you know, I'm identifying
as a dog, or, or whatever.
It's like, you can play, you can do whatever you want in
this life, but that doesn't make it a truth.
You know what I mean? It's like, it only goes so far.
It's like it only stretches until it breaks, right? So, so
The, the question is, what is the truth?
And who, when you refer to core self,
which you're describing, what is that?
Right? It's like a, it's like, well,
I think we talked about this before.
It might have been in a different group,
but when you're born, you're kind of born
as like a blank slate, like the mustard seed,
like your shirt, you know,
and it's like you're going to be a certain expression,
but you're gonna be that expression through a series
of traumas that happen when you're born.
And we're all just reacting to that series
of traumas in the best way we can to keep ourselves
as preserved and healthy
and happy as possible throughout this crazy thing
that we're calling life, right?
So where life is gonna kick you in the teeth,
it's gonna drop you, you know what I mean?
It's gonna beat you up, but you're being the best version
that you can be to survive in the best
way possible in this world.
But then at the same time,
it's like your core self is kinda like trying
to get out at all times.
What is it though? What is your core self?
Well, like your soul. So like, that's
how I feel like it's like the mustard seed.
It's like, it's in you, it comes prepackaged,
unless maybe you're a brand new soul, right?
Like, maybe this is your first ever incarnation into any
kind life you might not have very much, right?
You might just be a little blank seed
with not too much in there.
But I think your core self is, is a conglomeration
of all the things that have happened to you,
and all your life's expressions
and different versions of you, you've been born into, died
and, you know, been recurrent or come back.
That's, it's what's stayed, you know,
it's what's been strong enough to hold through
the elasticity of your soul
and now express itself in this life as well,
and the next life, whatever.
It's strong enough to have stayed with you through the,
throughout all those journeys.
And so how do we know the soul isn't just another body?
Like, what do you mean? Uh, like a physical, like
A non-physical body, a non-physical body
that's the collection of attributes of our personality,
and we're just incarnating into souls
that incarnate into bodies.
This is, this is what keeps me up at night. Not exactly, but
I, I don't know if it's incarnating into souls
in, in that respect.
It, it almost feels like the, the soul is
infinite by default.
Okay. That's a good definition.
Uh, so you're already, there's no,
because if you go to the core truth,
not what's necessarily true,
but you go to truth that's beyond space, time,
things, what a lot of people would refer to as God,
or even in the law of one, the infinite creator.
But it's beyond what a thing is.
And that's the infinite already.
Because again, I I might've asked this question
before on this show, can you prove tomorrow?
Can you prove it? Right?
Like, I can ask the brightest person on the planet,
the physicist of the highest caliber, prove tomorrow exists.
Well, tomorrow exists because yesterday happened.
Yeah. But can you prove yesterday exists?
Yes. Because we're here now today,
You said now, which is good,
but yesterday you can't prove we have evidence of yesterday,
for example, we look at this live stream, right?
Mike's gonna post it in, in, in what we call the future.
Mm-Hmm. And then we're gonna see it,
and then we see the recording of
what we're having right now.
But that's evidence of what we call the past.
But it's not the past.
We're, we're viewing it here and now.
'cause you can't really prove the past.
You can't really prove the future, right? So, well,
I, I would argue, I would say
that tomorrow only exists if you're on a planetary surface
that, you know, has day, night, like tomorrow is like a,
it's a way to measure time, right?
So we're using the 24 hour period here on this planet.
So we would say that tomorrow begins when the sun, you know,
at midnight 1201.
You know, so it's just a, a, a time holder for, you know,
what we're, we're, we're keeping track of the days,
which only exists on this planet, right?
Once you're in space, tomorrow doesn't exist.
It's all one period of time.
Uh, I know where you're going. It's like a measurement.
We're measuring our time. And, but
All there really is is now, right?
Whether you're sleeping or awake, all there is is now.
But we're trying to keep track on this planet with time,
like we said, like, do you age differently in space?
You know, it's like, yes, we do.
We know that now scientifically.
Um, you know, so the gravity in this planet
and all these things are, are, are, it's trauma, you know,
and that's why we age and,
and all these things, the way that we do is
because we're in this experience on this planet
and this structure that's spinning around this sun,
you know, it's like we're in a, we're on a ride, you know?
It's like,
But it's continuously a now ride,
Right? Right. Well, it's, it
always is.
Even if you're in space, it's continuously now.
Like even if you walk into a, you,
you have a time machine, you have it,
you walk into the time machine, you're like, I want
to go see, uh, the signing
of the Declaration of Independence.
Mm-Hmm. I walk into the time machine, I punch in that date.
But, and, and I say start,
but the whole time I walked from outside
into the time machine, it's still now.
And when I go into the time machine
and I go back to 1776, it's still now for me,
the observer of now.
Right.
I would like to, to step back here
and talk about the nature of light.
So we're, we're talking about observation of
now we're talking about perception.
We're talking about the, the nature of consciousness.
And consciousness seems to be like a way of
putting light into a pattern such that we see
we can make something mean something
out of that pattern of light.
And I think that light is one of the things
that we can identify with.
If we identify with light itself, then we become all of time
because of all of the manifestations of time
that are existing as light forms coming to our observation.
And, and I guess from that standpoint, you could say
that the, the nature of identity is
something that is beyond time.
Because if you can say that, that we are not tied to a body
that we're infinite, then we're also not tied to any, um,
particular manifestation of expression, which
could be called time or space.
And both. That's why I think the raw material
never refers to just space or time.
It's time, space and time, spa space, time and time space.
There's two ways of looking at the same thing.
It's just looking from the, from the inner point outwards
and the outer point inwards
is basically the way they say it.
Um, whereas, but how,
How do they, how do they see it though?
Is, is light like particles or,
or something like actual physical light,
or is it a, a like a different type of light as in like
illumination of knowledge and,
and darkness is like, uh, lack of knowledge.
You know, what, what type of light are they talking about?
What consistency does it have?
Well, it's interesting that they talk about light
as being the, the second distortion off of the
first distortion, or the third distortion off
of the first distortion, which is free will.
So free will is the way in which we're making
choice to have experience.
And so really light is just coming from
a choice for experience.
And so I don't think it's appropriate to, well,
that's a quantum quantum physics question that you relates
to like the observer effect, where you have this ambiguity
between whether or not light represents a specific particle,
or it represents something more abstract
that hasn't been narrowed down yet
because of the wave function.
And I, I'm probably butchering the terminology,
but it seems as though, you know, a lot
of quantum physics is based around the, the comprehension
of why something only is truly certain,
and once it's observed
and why there's, there's a uncertainty, um, e effect
that has to occur until a consciousness is engaged in it.
Although there's speculation around, well, that's, that's a,
that's a long subject to, to, to explore.
Well, you're touching, you're touching on something
that I think I can, I, I have a theory on is like
what we perceive with our eyes, like I was saying earlier,
is what we can perceive light hitting things.
But that's not saying that that's all that there is.
I do believe that our soul, that that we are beings
of light, okay?
So that, that particle,
slit particle experiment is like when the particles hit
through the slit perfectly every
time until they're observed.
I think that there's something we're not seeing is that
by one light being inter, we interact
with each other on a more level than the physical.
In other words, once I observe that it's like picture, like,
you know, beam of light coming out of your eyes,
and the second you look at something else, it's like, boom.
Like you're, it's like you're wearing a, a, a, a pool
of water, you know, like that, that, that just,
you observing, you're putting that focus of energy
and observing something.
There's much more going on than we can perceive.
We are, I think we are beings of light, like our souls
and everything in these bodies isn't all that's going on.
There's a whole thing going on that we can't perceive.
And these little particles are getting
blown off their course because we are power powerful beings.
And when we enter a room, we could,
we could change the energy of the room.
Just like when we enter the planet,
the whole planet changes.
Maybe not on a major level for every person,
but a little bit every person is, counts a little bit
is when dropping the, in the ocean, you know?
It's like there's more going on than we're perceiving.
I think it has something to do with coherence too,
as in like coming like, uh, in sync with each other, right?
Pushing pull. Yeah.
So, so like, I don't know if you saw the video
of the metronomes, it's kind of the same ideas.
Like, you, you click all these metronomes
and they're all going like weird their own way,
but then eventually they start to cohere,
and then you got this last little metronome guy here
being stubborn, right?
But then eventually he coheres, right?
And then the whole thing is like a
beautiful coherence, right? Yeah.
Watch that. What, what causes that?
Well, there's a, there's a physics behind it.
There's, there's a little platform that's got is on strings.
So when you click these, the little platform moves back
and forth, but eventually they get into sync, right?
Showing you the synchronization of it.
But, uh, so for example, if, if,
like, I don't believe,
but I know I can levitate and I prove it,
and, and I'm levitating in front of all these people, not,
not David Blaine levitation.
I know how to do that. It's, it's cool,
but not that one real actual levitation
Jesus walking on water.
Yeah. So if I can prove that,
and then people are underneath me like, what are you doing?
I'm like, Hey, it's real. You can do it.
Right? And the more people are like, whoa.
And then they start, uh, coherent with me in that thing,
and then they start levitating,
and the more people start levitating.
It's that coherence of that belief turning into knowledge
that yes, I can levitate.
So here's another little example from our
past two or three weeks.
We had the solar eclipse.
There was all this doom and gloom about it, right?
And then, but then it happened. Everybody's out.
I've, I've never seen so much hype about it.
Everybody's out like, wow, look at that solar eclipse.
Nothing bad happened.
We just had a Carrington event style
geo storm back in the, back in the day
in 1856 or something.
The Carrington event happened.
All their electronics went bonkers and everything, right?
E even though they didn't have too much, we just had that
for like four or five days.
Nothing happened.
It's like, and then everybody was out taking pictures
of the Aurora Borealis.
So it's kind of like we're, we're getting leveled up,
because right now, honestly, if that affected us,
like the Carrington event, we wouldn't
be having this live stream.
We'd be out hunting squirrels for dinner, right?
Trying to survive. Right?
So it, it's interesting, like that coherence factor.
So there's a coherence.
People are getting more aligned
with each other, regardless of their beliefs.
That coherence to be, to make a
planetary identity on
the things we agree on.
And then that I, that planetary identity starts to cohere
with other, uh, truths
and then eventually it coheres ultimately with the truth
type of thing, right?
Like, that's what it seems like.
Yeah. So, and go ahead.
Valerie has a question real quick though.
I just want to thank John for, in his email, he referred
to this show by its proper name,
which is Mike and the meat suits.
Okay. I just wanted to thank you, John. So rock on.
Do we still, do we still call it MEET
or do we wanna do the other meat, like
Undecided?
I'll make a graphic if I can,
and I'll, I'll send it to Mike.
You can put it up and I'll try to find some,
give you guys options.
Oh, the question you said somebody had a question there. Oh,
Oh, yeah. Valerie has a question.
Do we choose our perception of self?
Do we choose our perception of self based on lessons we need
to learn and to heal
what we feel keeps us separate from each other
or separate from God?
So our perception of self, do we choose it?
Hmm. Well, I think we even choose our whole manifestation
of self based on the lessons we need to learn.
So I think that's all tied together.
Yeah. To, to, to a certain degree.
I would say that there is like a, an ultimate higher self
that does have some say,
but I feel like there are other powers that do as well.
Uh, you know, especially if God is real.
Um, you know, it's like expectations,
whatever you wanna call it, the source.
Um, you know,
I mean, well, here's one thing though.
With the God thing, right?
When, when, when you say, does God exist, right?
And you're like, at least from, uh, my, uh,
faith Orthodox Christianity, God is
outside of existence.
So we could say no, because God is not a thing.
God is beyond God is the in-between everything
and in all right.
So is God real different question.
What's the, I I don't know if, um, you remember, uh,
the course in miracles, the opening line, uh, nothing real
Can be threatened. Nothing
unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it,
it kind You got it, Mike?
A repeat.
Oh, do you want me to go onto to that?
No, like the, the statement again, what was it again?
Oh, nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists herein lies the peace of God.
Indeed.
And the, the course of miracles is very interesting in
that it, it is kind of constantly shifting our perception of
what is real and saying that everything that we perceive
that would be based in fear is ultimately unreal.
And all of our negative emotions are sort
of rooted in this sense of separation, which is based on,
in Maya, you could say this, this, this lack of reality
where all of our troubles are coming from.
And it's really just a choice of perspective
to see in the terms of the unreal, as opposed
to seeing in terms of the real, which is the peace of God,
the infinite nature of things, which is beyond
any temporary manifestations, which could be, uh, the basis
for feelings of fear or separation. Um,
So it, this is a question though, is real
a thing or is, um,
or, or are things unreal?
Because you can consider this body a thing that came,
but the thing is, I also have
that soul that's infinite, right?
But, uh, it came into existence,
but eventually this body will disintegrate
and the body, it's not real, quote unquote anymore.
Of course it is. Of course it is.
No, I'm saying like, it it in the
progression, right? Well,
Like everything's temporary kind of thing, right?
Yeah. It's Like the idea of like,
does all the water on earth is always on earth, right?
It's just in different forms. So, you know,
But what can be harmed?
What's that? What can be harmed?
Harmed? Yeah. Like what can be harmed?
Everything harm within a saying, right?
Like, things can be harmed.
I could take a piece of wood, put it in a fire, gone,
but what cannot be harmed
is not a thing.
I think everything is A thing. You
Can't harm defining things here.
Well, you could say anything of of value is not lost.
That's, that's another way that law of one would put it.
Nothing, nothing of value is ever lost by the death
of a body, for example.
And everything that is of value to a, to a person is
maintained after the death of the body.
And the fact that we could put
so much value in the physical, that temporary, the body is
a, a part of the illusion that is ultimately like us trying
to pretend this is so important here,
that we then have this attachment to it,
and we can grow more rapidly through this attachment
to the unreal the non thing,
which appears this thing which you could ult.
It's like you could say is, is a dream real?
Is a dream a thing? Are there things in the dream?
If they just fall away, just as soon
as we change the way that we're perceiving it,
And you know what else cooks your noodle?
It's like, okay, now is, now, now I,
I'm perfectly fine.
This moment right here exists in infinity,
but where we were talking about what we call the past
and what we talk about, what we call the future,
there are things there, but they're all now.
So even though now I'm perfectly 100% alive, this is going,
this, this state right here is infinitely present.
I'm infinitely in this state and alive.
Another way I've looked at it is like the past is casting
a shadow onto the present.
And what all we can see of the past is a shadow
of the light forms that we're receiving.
And it's never actually the, the,
the true source of the light.
It's just the shadow of those, those forms.
Yes. Although,
because when I have a memory of something, that memory
when I was experiencing it was whole,
complete everything in it was whole.
And, but I can't access it in now. Right?
But where is that place?
And I like this idea of multiple
parallel realities because it's completely there.
That experience that I had is completely whole and full.
So there's a parallel reality to it, meaning I just,
five minutes ago, my mic went out parallel reality.
It's still fully whole and expressed in that,
but it's on a parallel.
It's not in the future or the past.
There are expressions of the now in different
forms, different
Frequencies, maybe. Yeah.
But, but Yeah's frequencies form.
Yeah. I kind of, I kind of disagree
with everything we've said in the past.
Five seconds. Five minutes.
Let's get into it. Okay?
Because, okay, so you're saying that like, I think you are
the past, like you are an expression
of the fact that the past happened.
It's like the butterfly effect.
Like if the past didn't happen exactly the way it did,
it wouldn't be here in this version of, now it doesn't mean
that there are billions of different parallel existences
of possibilities playing out in the infinites.
Like show me evidence of that, and then I'll believe that.
But I would say that there is just one timeline.
I mean, are we going back into the past 1977 or whatever
and, and doing this is,
is it even possible? I don't, I don't,
I think, I think it's constantly happening when we dream
even that we're going into the future
and we're, we're playing with our, our timeline with
stepping outside of, uh, the physical space time.
And then you see the future,
and then you decide how you wanna shift the future and when,
Yeah. But that's all happening now.
If I was awake and look watching you while you sleep,
like creepily, right?
And you're, you're dreaming,
you're dreaming about the future.
I'm still in the now. And so are you,
you're just having like a premonition now
about, you know what I mean?
You're, you're, it's like, it's not
that you're actually pulling it from the future into now.
It's that you're, you're looking forward.
It's like when you're in a s**t, when you're on a,
in a say a train or a ship or a car,
and you know you're about to get there, you're not there
yet, but you can see it's that good.
It's coming. Yeah.
But you, you can choose to turn, you know what I mean?
And change that. But I don't know that you can go backwards
and, and, and change what you, what's already been done.
That's that, that is a really good question.
But, but I, I do feel like if you,
if you write down your dreams
and then review them later in the future,
that there is still a, a dialogue happening across the two
points in space time, you could say through the,
the non-physical plane.
And I think that is, it's almost like, uh, expression
of the fact that space
and time are being created out of something
that's more fundamental than space
and time by our choice of observation
and our choice of manifestation of reality.
And I, I also think the Mandela effect is a perfect example
of continuously shifting and reshaping the timeline.
Of course, a lot of people have different perspectives on
that, but, and it certainly hit me very strongly.
I feel like I'm on a completely different planet
than say 20 years ago with different shapes of continents
and different geographic features,
different You are organ systems in the body.
Of course you are. Yeah.
Because everything's shifting at all times. But, well,
The thing is, I know This is like,
So I have a question for you, Randy.
How, how, it, it seems like you're, uh,
wanting proof of things to, to, in order
for something to be true, you need proof?
No, for for, for, for me, in this physical experience,
I think we're limited, right?
I think we have free will,
but it's free will within a box of, of, of, of rules
for God, I don't believe he's in that box of rules, right?
That he has the all seeing,
the all traveling, he can do whatever.
But in this life, for us, we can only
like tamper with, we can't, we can't physically.
I mean, I, I don't, you know what I mean?
We do have convenient parameters
for maintaining the experiments. Yeah.
But, but whose parameters are they did,
did we have a consensus on parameters?
Why do we assume that it's someone's at all?
Well, we make parameters though.
Like I put, like, the person who built this house
made parameters with walls, and he was like, but
You can choose to cut out a section of wall.
Yes. I don't think we can do that.
Not at least not currently with time.
Whereas I believe advanced beings might be able to, or,
or God or angels,
or they might have that technological,
if it's even technological, they might have that ability to,
you know, ant man vibrate through time and,
and experience things differently.
But we, in this current state, physically when, when we're,
when we're in our physical selves, like, you know,
like Mike said, when he is sleeping
and his soul's out of his body, he, he can, he can choose
to, you know, alter what what may come as the future.
But he has ultimately, he has to bring it back
to now into this physical world and then act it out.
Well, that's the, that's with the future though.
That's the idea of projection.
I'm projecting, uh, uh, something that I want to create,
Right? But you can't do
that to the past.
You can't say, I, you can't on a straight road
and say, oh, no, I turned, if you missed the turn,
you can't correct that. That's done.
You, you kind of can with, with some this, this is,
this gets really, really, like convoluted and,
and really, okay, so for example, if I go back
and I want to see the assassination of, uh,
uh, Abraham Lincoln, right?
And I go back physically, right?
And then it's, it happens.
But the only factor, the only factor is, is that you can't,
that I never existed there, but you can't do it.
But that's what I'm saying. But now, but now, but now I'm
existing in that space.
So it changes and then it, it, it goes on
to an alternate timeline.
He still gets assassinated, but there's something different.
Like the, the ticket boy gave out a ticket
to a different person, uh, or, uh,
or the waiter came with a different glass
of whatever, right?
Like a, like a, a beverage for the patrons there, right?
So it, it can change as in, I can go back to the past and,
and say, don't turn,
because if you do, you're going to,
you're gonna get into an issue.
That one, that one changed the trajectory of
that particular, what, what we could call a timeline,
but the other one still exists with that. Let me,
Let me pause this whole discussion that this,
this is possibly not something that we could resolve easily,
but there, there are so many fascinating stories
that come out of the conspiracy research circles of people
who supposedly have the technologies, they can do this,
and people who are supposedly involved in hypnotic work, or,
or you could say etheric astral work,
where they are supposedly traveling back and forth.
And the the nature of time is, is very confusing.
And that's respect, but it's grateful.
I'm very grateful we have the anchor of identity
as the subject matter here, to come back and,
and question the, the reality of all these, uh, thoughts
and perceptions of a timeline or our reality,
because it, it doesn't seem to be, uh,
anything other than a projection of what we're here,
what we're here for, which is what,
what Valerie mentioned is seemingly to, to learn
and grow through these potentials for experience.
And it's possible that, you know, the reason
that we have these, even the reason
that we can't remember our past lives seems to be connected
to the fact that we're trying to set up individual little
stories for our, the purpose of our growth.
And we, we seem to be programming these stories both
before we're born and along the way.
And all of our conscious decisions seem to be related
to our own programming
and reprogramming of what we're wanting on some small way.
But the bigger factors, like who,
who our parents were when we're born,
we're not gonna go back in time
and change who our parents were, if we're the person
who was born from those parents.
And that's the, the lesson that we were wanting to begin
with, it'd be, I don't think there's any logic in waking up
and having no memory of who your parents are,
because you suddenly are on a different timeline
where you have no memory of your parents.
Because a lot of what we're going through
is based on these traumas
and lessons that were set up from childhood, that were part
of our longer term growth plan, where we wanted
to have a particular set of experiences in a, in a,
with a sense of identity, which allows us to, you know, grow
and explore from one particular vantage point of a sense
of separated identity,
which is ultimately just leading us back into the same path
of, of merging in union and the,
and the bigger aspects of ourself, which are not separate
or finite, but which are the infinite aspects,
the eternal aspects of ourself,
which are rooted in the more fundamental
natures of light and love.
And I, i would say the archetypes of our,
of our more divine nature, which include things like, uh,
the, the true nature of the conscious mind
and of the subconscious mind, the true nature of justice
and balance and wisdom
and, um, finding the great way of, of our, of our path,
which is transcendent.
Um, so these are different concepts, which,
which I see identity as tied to which are sort of not as
tied to a, a sense of separateness.
Um, any thoughts on that?
Yeah, just real quick before I forget, I have a,
there's an excerpt from this book that is,
that mentions identity.
It's kind of interesting if, if, if we wanna read that,
it's very short, we can do that.
Uh, and the other thought I had was this idea of essence
versus manifestation.
So manifestation is physical manifestation.
That's our bot, our meat suits, right?
We are the meat suits, uh,
essence is more divine.
It's almost like a spectrum, right?
Of on one hand, on one side, it's pure essence, you know,
you can't put your finger on it.
It's not physical, it's just pure essence, whatever.
And then you get to consciousness, then you get to
intellect, and then on,
there's the body is on the other
side of the spectrum, right?
So when we say God, that's like
the most pure essence, that, that's just pure essence.
And then our bodies are on the other side of the spectrum.
Um, and,
and the thing is, we're, we're living both at the same time.
Like everything we're talking about
it, it could be all true.
Like there, it's not like, oh, you're wrong.
You're, no one's wrong. May, maybe no one's wrong.
Uh, we just don't know.
And that's the beauty of the beauty
and the mystery of being alive as a human, right?
Like w 'cause and,
and what is the role of consciousness, right?
We still don't know. Scientists don't know. No one knows.
Uh, so it's really an exploration.
And so for me, having the spectrum
of essence versus manifestation, it, it's helpful just
for me to understand basic things.
Uh, but, but this is a mystery, right?
We're discussing a mystery, are we not?
Yeah. Yeah. I like what John said earlier, you know,
it's like, um, the idea that, that we can go,
like you say, like we can go back
in time and all this stuff.
There's something in us
that feels like we should be able to do that.
And I feel like, like we're made in God's image,
but not fully in his capacity.
Like, we don't have all the powers.
We might have 'em dormant in us somewhere,
and ourselves feel like, Hey, I should have that power
to walk on water to do all these things,
but we're limited in this temporary existence.
And it almost feels like maybe this existence is like being,
uh, moderated by moderators who are just outside
of this existence, like angels or, or whatever,
and are kind of like, you know, tweaking as we go.
You know? We're like keeping us in
that this third dimensional realm
You're describing the engineers of the, of the, uh, yes.
Uh, sorry,
the, I forgot the word.
The, we're we're in a computer program. The simulation.
The simulation we're in the, yeah,
sorry, sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.
Term school, school administrators. I like that too.
Okay. Sorry, Randy. Go. Yeah.
Like, like simulation is probably even like a very limited
human version of it, right?
It's like we, we assume that it's fake
because we have, we, we've invented
what we call simulation, right?
But, but in reality, simulation is probably like
a very limited term.
It's probably way bigger than what we're, like, we like
to imagine things in, in the context of humans, you know,
because this is what we've known.
This is where we've gotten so far,
and this is what we like to call things.
But, but we're, we're not probably completely on.
We're, we're like, we're, we're smelling the food,
but it's still a mile up the road.
You know what I mean? Like, we're, we're, we think we,
we like to think that we're mentally, you know, capable
of under, oh yeah, I get it now, I get it now.
No, we don't, like, this simulation is very real,
but it's, it's much bigger and deeper and,
and it's more real than what we would even think is real.
Even though it's a simulation, it's like, yes,
everything's temporary, right?
Like, your body will die.
It will be decomposed and consumed by all these other plants
and fungus and such, but your soul, I think
that is something much, much bigger
and more complicated than we even have words for.
And I think that that soul has like an elasticity to it.
And that all the experiences that you have,
the butterfly effect, all the things that have happened
to you in the past are building on this soul.
Is, is, is, is, is like grapes, like wine, it's aging.
It's getting better, it's getting more
complicated, more complex.
It's, it's gonna birth out into something more eventually.
Like God maybe birthed out this, this existence.
Each, each of us has this miracle in us that we call a soul.
And that is an elasticity thing that like, as we go on
through life and experience traumas and succeed
and have great victories
and all these things, the soul is becoming more seasoned
and more flavored and
and more complex to the point that one, one
of these lifetimes we're gonna die.
And it's like, we're gonna graduate to that next level
of existence in which we're gonna look back
and say, oh man, that was like a dream.
You know? It seems so far away now, you know,
but it's just, this is part
of the ride is your soul is taking the ride
and it's using all these things temporarily,
but it doesn't really understand what it's doing
until it gets to that out
of this physical lower form density.
So I'll let you go first, okay?
There's an interesting thing, um,
that's been popping up lately for me from, uh, my faith, uh,
Orthodox Christian religion, right?
Uh, the main objective is to
attain theosis.
Theosis means,
or theosis means, uh, to become
gods by grace, right?
As in, that's the achievement is to become a god
by grace, right?
And so to
become God by grace in, in our faith, they,
they say small G as compared to Big G,
but there's the same, um, uh, properties or whatever.
You, uh, I don't, it's very difficult to put it into words
what God is.
So that, right? Yeah. Spark of the divine. Yeah. Yeah.
And, and that's like the, uh,
achievement more or less, right?
But achieving means, again, like looking to the future, to,
uh, that someday, sometime in the future I'll have that.
But now, because I, I like to look at things in,
in contrast as best as I can.
'cause I'm thinking, okay, if we are
to achieve becoming god's by grace, does
that mean we're already god's,
but without grace?
Well, is the mustard seed a mustard plant?
Yeah, but it's like, if you,
if you're a God without grace, that means there's, there,
the illumination is not apparent.
That's why I would say that the mustard seed is not the
mustard plant, but it has the potential, the capacity to be,
Yes. Like
it can get crushed
and never become one, just like a human soul, right?
It can fall out of grace and never obtain it.
You can, you can be, you can, you can, you know, the,
the world can kick you in the teeth one too many times,
and you can go deep dark into the, the, the abyss of evil
and just never become, like you say, small G God,
you can become small g small D demon
maybe, or something else.
You know? I, I don't think that it's all guaranteed.
I think that just like nature, nature is brutal
as hell, right?
And it, it doesn't give up damn about what the deer wants.
If that deer, there's a, a, a big cat
and it decides to eat that deer,
and it gets on top of it, it don't matter that deer's dead
and nature don't give a damn.
And I think that this, the soul, the universe, like
that is kind of probably just as brutal.
I don't think it's also,
but also the, the never aspect of it.
Uh, I, when I look at it,
'cause I examine this stuff, I try to look at it as,
as from many perspectives as possible.
When, but when you say never, and,
and also when people say you'll, you'll, you know,
burn an eternity or whatever in a hellish realm, you know?
But it kind of like, to me, it, it kind of comes back to,
okay, but what about free will?
Because so many, the free will is like,
do you have the decision to make?
So is there some other putting you into
that hellish place, or are you deciding
to be in that hellish place?
And if you're in that hellish place
or eternity, whatever that is, are you able to say,
I, I wanna, I I want to like, be one again
and not, and not be in hell Yes. You know? Yes. Absolutely.
I, I would agree with all those.
So the all three questions, like, yes, you do have power
to change it even once you're in it, right?
You can, you can choose to vibrate in a frequency
that is godly and, and,
and rise right out of it immediately.
Yes, you can be responsible for putting yourself in there
or, or, or in other words too.
There's other things can be responsible for doing it
to you without your, your will.
And then I also would say yes to, there are beings
that are trying to put you there,
So are beings Trying to save you from there.
So there seems to be a nature of what, what is the source
of this, uh, free will expression?
And does it, does it become merged with other,
other entities, or is it merging back in its truer self
in that merging process?
So I mean, on, on one level you could say
that we have the capacity to give over our free will
to an entity who wants to control and manipulate us.
But on another level here, you could say, we have the,
the capacity to become one in the body of Christ,
and we can call on Jesus
or call on some cosmic consciousness, which is able
to see the best potential future for everyone.
And then on, on that level, do we even need
to have a separate will if there is a divine will
that is able to work through us?
And that's like the metrodome becoming
in sync that we're talking about.
And we can share that video in the
description that we're talking about.
Uh, but, and there's a,
there are a few things I wanna say here.
One is like, so, so for example, being married to someone
and being in a loving relationship with someone,
there's many cases which will come up where
we don't know if an idea came from me or her,
and we have to question,
it's almost like it's like a little lesson
that we're, we're being given.
It's like, wait a minute, was that my idea or your idea?
They just popped into our head simultaneously,
or a song popped into our head simultaneously,
start singing the same song simultaneously.
And it's like, is this me or you? Does it even matter?
Why should there have to be a me versus you?
If there's one, uh, perfect moment
that where o of experience
where we're both sharing the experience
and could we both be sharing an experience of love?
And does that have to be coming from us
or is that coming from the higher aspect of us,
which is the, the united, uh, God self?
You could say that that is expressing through us.
And if, if that's possible, then
it's like maybe we can always just be merged in the,
maybe we can always see ourselves is
that which is already complete and fully developed into God,
and we're just constantly pretending that we're not still,
and we're just fighting that, that identity.
Um, and one other thing I wanted to share is that there's a,
there's a verse I'm thinking about a lot lately.
Uh, John three eight says, the wind blows where it wishes.
You hear it sound, but you do not know
where it comes from or where it goes.
So it is with everyone who was born of the spirit.
And so there's a, there's a thought here that
the wind itself is like this force that's blowing around,
and you don't need to put a box on it.
It's just, it's just doing what it's doing.
And in that sense, do, does our will even have to be,
um, a separate thing.
You know, like when, when women are together
for a long time, their, they, their bodies begin
to sync, sync, sync up.
I, I don't think it's just women.
I think when you are with someone like that all the time,
and you, you, you're open to that, right?
Because you can be in a relationship
and it could be horrible, and you're not
in sync in anything.
But when you, when you're, when you're choosing
to resonate at the same frequency as your partner,
all those things begin to happen.
And it, it might be you, it might be
her, it might be both of you.
It doesn't, you know, but it, are there other things too?
Yes. I think I would say it's all the, yes, again,
everything you said, I would say yes, all that is yes.
You know,
And, and no, Stop it.
A-A-N-O-W
sorry, Pearl.
Yeah. But, but I more
or less, yes, again, uh, Randy.
Yes, yes. And um,
and the idea of are we already that,
that, um, uh, realization of God, you know,
I like what, um, uh,
I think it was David Wilcock that said this.
There's only one of us here, which is an interesting,
a again, that's an absolute statement,
but it makes kind of, it, it kind
of points in the direction of that.
So the, the, the free will idea,
because I guess it's what,
which distortion is it again, second or the first
Distortion is considered free will in the loved
One. Yeah. So
before the first distort, uh, distortion.
So it's when we all all align,
like everything's free will in the first distortion,
and then we align again, coherent,
and then one when, when it's all coherent
and in everything's in sync,
and there's, there's no need for, uh,
the first distortion, right?
It's in whatever, what we
call God or whatever.
And perhaps it, uh, produces a, a new
type of distortion for another level of
what we call reality, but it might be completely different.
Who knows? Yeah. Right?
Do you, do you think that life is like a, like an ocean
or like a lake, you know, like a water ebbing and flowing
and that sure, you can choose to go against it and, and,
and you can live your whole life going against it just like
a rock and a stream, the distortion.
But wouldn't it be better just to go
with nature instead of trying to fight it all the time?
Like, isn't there Nature is, is nature for a reason?
Like the wind comes from somewhere
and that's just the way it's gonna be.
You can fight it all you want
and you can even create a whole distortion.
But wouldn't it just be smoother to just like, you know, go
with the, that flow
and then try to be, be a, a, a, a, a,
a slight adjustment here or there until the, the wind curls.
Like there are, there are points in the earth
where the wind is the wind,
but then something causes it to swirl every time.
It is not going the other way ever. Right?
The ocean doesn't all of a sudden just flip until, you know,
maybe the pole shift or something.
But I mean, do you, are you really trying
to initiate a pole shift in the distortion
or just a variation?
Well, it could be a catalyst too,
because for example, let's take the story
of Jesus walking on the water.
He was sleeping on a boat or whatever, uh, and,
and this huge storm came
because Peter needed to reconcile with Jesus somehow, right?
So Jesus was like, all right,
storm, come on.
Okay, Peter needs to learn this lesson.
And then Peter walks under water
and then he falls into the water and Jesus helps him out.
And then Jesus says, if they get back into the boat
and Jesus says, yo, storm calm down, sunlight comes out
and outta the clouds part and everything, right?
Mm. So it seems like that was like a catalyst moment
for Peter to recognize something, right?
So at the same time, if somebody goes, uh,
the opposite side, uh, uh, goes against the grain,
there's a catalyst opportunity for that person to learn
something and then to be,
and then to learn ultimately,
yo, you gotta go with the flow.
Right? You know? Yeah. In that respect,
Yeah. Because that's, I kind
of feel like with faith and, and,
and like Jesus and, and following morals
and, you know, having a, a good, you know, direction
to go is like, kind of like that's the way, you know,
it's like, be good to one another.
It's like you can try to be evil
and say, this is better all you want.
And, and maybe for you
and temporarily it is, you can be that distortion,
but ultimately you're gonna have to keep coming back here
until you learn, go with that grain, you know?
It's almost like that's what, and,
but that's what makes life spicy, I guess, you know,
and exciting is, is the, the, the variations in the stream,
you know, that's what gives fish a place
to live is a giant rock in the stream,
but the stream is still gonna flow.
You know, like you said, the salmon journey, you know,
is like, it's like that's,
I feel like that's why we keep incarnating into different
versions of ourselves.
It's like we are perfecting our souls
and our identities ultimately into something beautiful.
And it's like the seed will never grow down,
and if it does, it dies.
Right?
The experiment failed. Yeah. Come back and try again.
So I, I, I think it's very interesting you're talking in
terms of the streams and the, and the wind.
When, when the, the law of one, you know, says
that we were all essentially initially the first,
in the first density of consciousness, that's what we were,
was the elements, the, the fire, the wind,
they say the mineral and water life upon the planet was
learning from fire and wind, the awareness
of being in the first density.
So it's as though these,
these raw elements are essentially like,
almost like this mathematical equation of mover and moved
and, and bouncing off of the things
and recognizing that there's, that there's patterns
and dynamic patterns that we can explore and,
and to have experience if we're seeking that.
And it's like there has to be the seeking
for an experience in order for the, the game to play out,
or for the movie to have drama in, in it that we,
that we're seeking to, to learn from.
And it's, it's really interesting that, you know,
the most popular movies
that we can get excited about seeing are those
that have the most crazy action or drama
or intensity in them.
And it's like, we didn't necessarily sign up for just being
on a nice smooth stream going straight down the hill,
just like, oh, there it is.
I'm very glad that was the same the whole way down
and just landing into the ocean very softly.
Like,
Yeah, if the metronomes all just did this perfectly the
whole time, there might not be a, there,
this existence might not have a point to it.
In other words, like, I think that God
created this experience
because there is something to learn
in going against the grain.
Like, why did the devil, you know, go against God?
Why, why did this happen? You know?
And why did, why is fracture happening?
Why is, you know, and it's like we have
to really learn something from this, but we can't learn
unless the metronome clicks weird once
in a while, you know? But,
But I also think there's something with learn
and create, right?
Because God is a creator, right?
And we are, uh, divisions
or like perfect creations of God.
'cause if God is perfect,
would he create imperfection? It's like we, what if
God's not perfect?
Well, I'm just saying, basing it off of that idea
of perfection, right?
But God is the creator, right?
But if we're created in God's image,
then we also have the ability to create.
So if you don't align, it's gonna be harder
to create something.
Right? So it, the way I, I see it,
possibly this makes sense, is we all align,
but then we align to create, to create
novelty, to create something new, as in, in,
in that respect a new thing.
Because now, like for example, uh, the devil or Satan
or whatever wanted
to create separate from God.
So the, the devil's creation is kind
of like, yeah, it's okay.
It works, it functions,
but the devil's not going in sync with God.
Yeah. He Is going against, or else it'll be something
like a, a much, uh, more coherent
creation. We also, well, this
Story even, it, it, when, when,
when Satan rebelled against God,
God created the earth for Satan.
It, Satan didn't even create the earth, right?
And, but like we as people, we can create children.
We, we create this reality that we're in,
we create friendships, we create, you know,
we are constantly creating, can Satan create or, or, or,
or has that been power taken from him?
And that's why he has to manipulate.
It's the nature already created.
It's the relationship between light and the shadow.
I think it's like, it's the choice to put emphasis on
the distortion of the light
and take what has been created
and twist it into something which is a distortion of
that original clearer light.
It's like a, a less clear version of seeing God.
Because I feel, so I Go ahead.
I would say that he created,
like Satan CR created the circumstances for him
to be in that position, right?
Right. Through his free will. Right? He manipulated, yeah.
And, and again, from, uh, uh, my faith's, uh, perspective is
that, um, uh, it's
because human beings were created
to be higher than angels, right?
We were created to be higher than angels. That's right.
So Lucifer was like, yo, screw this
bleep screw.
You we're better than humans.
And then that was the fall of, uh, and the hubris and anger
and all that kind of stuff, and boom, right?
So that w at least that's, that's that interpretation.
But I wouldn't be surprised if
that was actually the, the truth. So
Do you see angels as having physical incarnations?
Uh, actually there are many stories.
At least I can, I can look from my faith.
One of my buddies that I grew up with, he,
he's like a professor.
Great. He did this whole talk on, on, uh,
the angelic Rus.
I think you guys would love it. 'cause he is
very kind of professor.
Like, he doesn't, you know, say this way
or that way, but whatever.
And just says what the literature is. Yeah.
They all, they come in all forms.
Like human form is an angel,
but it's a type of angel, right?
And then there other, you
See, you, you know that in, you see your, your,
your resonance, your cells
that are expressing your soul know the truth.
And you as a human, you're trying to put it into words,
which is like, so complicated.
We don't even realize it. But like, when angels
become physical, they come down, right?
Just like if we were to become angels,
we would be going up in frequency.
So it's like the devil is so far down below our frequency.
That's why he's full of hate and, and, and angst and envy
and all these things is he's,
he's always wanted more, you know?
And he is had thirst for more, so much.
That's why God pushed him so far down.
It not, not physically, like he's not,
he's not under the ground,
but he's in a realm that's vibrating on such a low frequency
that he can only try to like, um, try to mess, like,
you know, uh, influence this frequency.
And angel just like,
just like extraterrestrials might not even be like at the
angel vibration, but they do have to, at least some
seems like, from what I've heard, is they have
to lower their frequency, their resonance in order
to interact with this.
Our playground here, our classroom here.
I think this little, you know what I'm saying?
There are so many different definitions
and concepts for Satan and angels and stuff.
I'm not sure how much value we could, we could continue
to go on these subjects for a long time.
Um, I like discussing, you know,
archetypes of, of darkness.
'cause obviously we can all tap into some darkness within us
and recognize that we have that, that same lower aspect
that could pull us down if we seek to align with that.
And we have the higher aspects that we can align with,
and we can become evangelic to other people.
And yeah, it's a, it's, it's kind of funny to
that some people believe that there are angels walking
around and it says in Hebrews 13, two, do not neglect
to show hospitality to strangers for thereby,
some have entertained angels unaware.
So we can identify as angels any day we want
and live that reality.
And that doesn't make us any less.
But here's an under other interesting thing though,
about like the free will
and our, our um, uh,
being created in God's image
and in having the power of the mustard seed, which is more
or less infinite, right?
So now we have the, we have the, the devil or Satan
or the evil one whispering in our ear, Hey, do this,
hey, do that, do this because, uh, he
or it or whatever is commandeering the power
that we have, commandeering it and using it to, to create,
because we have the power he's attempting
To, but he, he's attempting to,
but he isn't commandeering it unless you
Yeah, we agree.
We will. Yeah, definitely. We'll allow him that.
And then it creates this type
of like the banking system we have now, for example,
and the wars and the rumors of wars
and all this crazy stuff.
Like, like, to be able to get, to create this type of
reality where it can be like spectacularly entertaining
for everybody on how we could create a beautiful type
of reality where everybody, I is coherent with each other
to create new things.
Because a lot of people think, okay, if we're perfect
and we're all one, and it's gonna be very boring.
I, I think it's the opposite.
I think it would be extremely exciting.
Be, uh, 'cause of the new things, the new, uh, creation
that we can, uh, um, uh, uh,
Manifest, Manifest together
a as a unified,
Which we are People, right? We are,
We are at all times.
We can't help but manifest the reality.
I mean, that's just what's happening.
There's no diversion from that. We always are.
It's just what flavor is it gonna be?
Is dependent on where our souls are vibrating?
Are we vibrating on the higher good, you know, vibration?
Or are we vibrating on the lower gre?
You know, like you said, the banks
and all these systems are vibrating on that lower,
the lower end chakras.
The greed, the, the wealth, the, the lust,
the all those lower end chakras, you know,
which could be used for good, but they're not.
They're being abused.
They're being manipulated and, and and triggered
and, you know, but they, they could be used for good.
Your lower chakras can be used for love and creation
and all the root things of this earth.
But they're not, they're being banking
systems are being abused.
It's being used to manipulate and greed
and destroy the little guy and all these things.
But it's like, like you said, it's, it's
where are we gonna choose to vibrate as a whole?
Our su our self identity.
And then there's the, the, the,
the like the big picture identity.
And you know, God's looking, you know,
and I think some angels too,
and maybe even extraterrestrials and demons
and everything else have this view of everything
that we don't, we can't, we're not choosing to perceive.
Most of us, some of us are, you know.
But yeah, it's, it's where are we gonna resonate?
Where are we gonna vibrate? Are we gonna, you know,
it's like, do we have to wait
for a certain president to be elected?
No, we don't. It's all an illusion. We can do it now.
You can wake up everyone now. And, and evil.
It's like darkness is the easiest thing to defeat.
It's just one single flame in a room of darkness
and create light into every corner.
You one, just one person, you know, like Martin Luther King,
one speech, using his voice
to change the resonance of the earth.
Once you hear it, you'll never be the same.
That's the power of each individual's soul.
Because your individual soul is a fragment of God.
You do have that power.
It's just you're choosing to amplify that power
with your cells and your body and your being,
and you're choosing to commit to that vibration.
So much so that you raise the vibration of the whole earth.
Or are you gonna be silent and dormant and, and, and retreat
and, and surrender and allow the darkness to win.
All right, Chris, you've been silent.
Do you have any thoughts on any of this?
Oh man, I have so many thoughts.
Um, you guys are talking a lot about duality.
Duality is light and dark, good and evil.
On the physical plane.
Duality is the law on the spiritual plane.
There's only love. So when we talk about
life on earth and life as a human being,
there is black and white.
There is darkness, there is whatever you want to call it.
You guys are using a lot of religious terms
and a lot of religious imagery, and that's fine.
Uh, but you're never gonna get rid of darkness.
You're never gonna get rid of evil.
It's because it's the opposite side of the coin from good.
There's always gonna be good and evil.
You can't get rid of that.
There's an eastern philosophy that says God created,
or I think creation goes through seven creations.
And each one lasts for something like
313 trillion years or something.
And so the big bang,
or whatever you wanna call it, creation happens, you know?
And the reason, God,
and by the way, you keep speaking
of God in a very religious way too, as, as if he's a person
that's different from spiritual, a spiritual view on God,
which is God is nothingness.
It's not a person. God created creation
so that he, and again, it's not the right word,
but so that he could experience.
So that's why we're all here.
We're experiencing good and bad,
and we're experiencing everything.
Meaning each of you have probably had a thousand lifetimes
where you've murdered people and done bad stuff
and all this stuff, right?
We don't know, probably have
pretty much guaranteed, okay?
Because we've all had millions of lives,
and it's all, it just keeps going.
So God puts forth creation to experience.
And everything we experience goes to him.
And I know him, it's not the right word,
but goes to that we each have the ottman inside of us,
which is the, the spark of divinity, which is our soul.
So we're all part of God, and we're all experiencing things.
And all this experience is being funneled to that.
Because the only way he can experience anything is
to put it into creation.
Because in the spiritual realm,
there's nothing to experience.
Everything is perfect and love. And what? That's it.
There's nothing. So in the physical world,
in the human world, there's all, it's, it's a mess.
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a clown show.
It's a game, but it's also an opportunity.
And the spiritual path is very important
because the more we, the more we become conscious
of what's happening on this macro scale,
that's almost like God realizing himself.
And that's really good.
And that's the goal, some say of human life is to come to
that realization and merge with, merge back with God, right?
No more samskara. But we also need people to go around
and kill people and murder people and steal and everything.
That, that, if you've read the Gita, Lord Krishna
showed Arjuna a view of the whole universe.
And it was ev it's everything. That's everything.
It's all experience. It. God wants it all.
So one way to look at this is, is beyond duality.
Yes. Each of us individually, we want to have more of a,
of a realization, a con, a direct connection to divinity.
That's our goal. To realize that that's the goal for sure.
And we're all walking that path for sure.
But at the same time, we're living in a world that
where there's this duality,
where there's war, there's everything.
And guess what? God is just sitting it,
it's not God doesn't, God is letting all this happen
because it's just experience.
So when we're alive in the human form, we have to realize
that this is just duality.
Yeah. There's all kinds of crap going on.
But above that, transcending that is the divinity.
And that's what it is.
So that's what the masters teach, is
that you can't stop bad from happening.
You can't stop good from happening.
And so the way, the path to walk,
as the Buddha said, is the middle path.
My master, one of them, Babaji, said, don't go
for the light or the dark.
You go for the gray, the dawn color,
because that's, that's when you,
you transcend duality.
So anyway, that was my little rant.
And Jesus even said, walk the straight
and narrow path, right?
And it's all about, I like what you're saying,
a hundred percent awesome.
It's about balance. Even a yin and yang.
Or if I, if I take a ice cream cone and, and,
and put some, uh, chocolate on it, and,
and then I, I sprinkle a little bit
of cayenne, right?
So you got vanilla, chocolate, and cayenne, right?
But you do a perfect balance. It's gonna taste great.
'cause cayenne goes good with the flavor
of chocolate, or even coffee.
Not too much, but just enough.
But you want enough sweetness.
You can have the perfect ice cream, CC,
but you gotta arrive to that flavor
that works for you.
So it's kind of like exactly what you were saying,
as in like straight and narrow to arrive to that,
um, that balance.
And I believe the balance is once there is a balance,
at least on earth, in that respect,
where it's not good versus evil,
light versus dark, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
There's a balance where there's an honoring.
And I believe that's the next kind of, um, uh,
I guess density we can call it perhaps maybe the next up.
Because we don't experience that type of extreme
contrast anymore because we're balanced.
Because in of itself, like if you go way too far on one side
or way too far on the other side, that could be considered
not good, right?
Because then there's still a judgment towards the other
side, right?
Or, uh, a judgment of like how you should be
and when there's this honor.
Because once you're in the middle there, why, why would,
there's nothing to fight about.
And there, there's the coherence,
and then we're all eating like, awesome vanilla, chocolate,
cayenne ice cream, and just walking up
and next thing we, you know,
and we, it goes from there, perhaps. So
Can I just say this one thing is like, I think that,
and I'll tie this back into identity, is like, like ducks.
Ducks will, they, they rape each other all the time, right?
Male ducks are constantly harassing female ducks,
and they just rape each other, and the,
the strongest sperm wins.
And that just perpetuates the species in
the strongest way possible.
And in that sense, in that sense, I would totally agree
with Chris, like just the straight and narrow path.
Like, Hey, this other ducks don't care if other ducks are
raping each other, they don't care.
But as a, as a human with my identity, my consciousness,
knowing I am me, we, I, I feel like we
as human beings are a little, are a step
above the wild world that we're in.
In other words, if I walking down the street
and I see a, a woman getting raped, I am not just gonna say,
oh, you know, bad exists and good exists,
and I'm just gonna walk that gray space
and I'm gonna walk right by it.
Like I could, but I'm not gonna,
You have that option doing That. I'm not doing that.
You have that option. But either choice is fine by God.
Either choice is fine by God.
See, I just, I, I don't,
I don't think the masters are right on this.
I feel like they're misled in a way,
because I feel like this isn't just God wants everything
and he's just some consuming God that's like, ho ho, ho.
You know, a rape was horrible energy exerted,
and I'm just gonna consume it all.
I feel like, God, I feel like this existence is a classroom
and a test and a wager between God
and the devil about what can win good versus evil.
I feel like that's why we're in this duality,
in this existence is it's a temporary existence to test
or retest the souls that have fallen out of grace.
All of us, I feel like at one point, a lot
of us were up there and a lot of us said, Hey,
yeah, Satan's got a point.
And he said, you believe it,
and boom, you go down there too.
And a lot of us probably are souls
that are reincarnated from even that time that
that existence.
And some are new souls,
and we're, we're all here being souls.
And that's an incredible gift.
I don't think that the wild world that we live in,
like lions and apes
and everything else, possess that hierarchy of a soul.
Maybe they will in time, they'll graduate up to it to
where they'll appreciate and be able to look inward
and say, oh, I am me, I have this identity.
You know? I don't think that the chimp swinging from the
vines thinks about, oh, I'm me, I should be, you know,
you know, I should start a fire
or, you know, it's just that I think that we're special
as humans in this, in this world. And I think
That's definitely true. We're,
We're challenged by the dark and the light.
And I do believe that they're all in existence
and equal and all that.
I believe. I agree with you there.
But I feel like as future moderators,
as future creators, as future,
like little g gods in training, I feel like it is our,
this is our chance to decipher the distinct difference
between good, evil, light, dark, all these things.
Not saying that one is better than the other
or worse than the other, but just understanding
that difference and choosing where you,
where your identity wants to express itself.
No, I agree with that. But you're,
you are judging good versus bad.
You just, you gave an ex ex, uh, you gave an example
of a guy walking by someone getting raped
and just saying, oh, whatever, who cares?
God likes everything. And, but, but,
and you said that's not right,
but now you just said that, oh, there's no good and bad.
There's really no difference. I
I, I, I'm really, Which
Is, I, I wanna, I wanna untangle
everything right now, if that's okay.
So, so there's so much discussion on these subjects in the,
in the law of one books, but one of my favorite quotes
that I keep coming back
to is they say balance is not indifference,
but rather balance is the creator not blinded by feelings
of separation, but rather fully imbued with love
and balance is the love that that allows things
to be as they are also.
But, but it's also when there's a call,
when there's a call from a person who's being raped
and they're reaching out, do you not love me?
Do you feel separate from me?
It's like having a body part that just got cut.
And it's like, well, I guess I could bandage
that body part that got cut.
And I could say, well, this person has having
their free will infringed.
And, and I could say that free will is more important
to me than the infringement of free will,
because this is the way in which the creator has set up the
laws of the universe is the honoring of free will.
And therefore, you, you apply the bandage in that situation.
Um, but, but there's so many examples like this
that I've been, I've been learning over time.
Like for example, uh, advertisement
and protests, for example.
It's like, uh, like it,
it'd be wonderful if we could just like take, uh,
take everyone and just shake them
and say, don't, you know, this stuff is true.
And you could, you could just like pump them full
of information and, and we could, we could go around
and we could be, we could be righteous warriors
with the truth, and we could, we could force people
to wake up to the truth of their oneness and unity.
And we could have religious wars
to make sure everyone knows.
And you could say that this is, some people would say,
this is the greatest light there is, is to, you know,
shake people awake and, and shake the whole world.
But, but it's, it's when the straight
and narrow to me is responding
to the requests which are free, will directed the requests,
which can be implicit, they can be explicit,
they can be very subtle, the requests for service.
But we're in the positions that we're in, I think going
around with the programming that we have to respond
to requests for service at each point in which that
that service is clearly being requested for us.
And so we don't volunteer service when it's not requested.
And that way we're continuing. I see, I see.
It's like the ultimate ethic is the honoring
of the free will of others without, without
pushing in the space that, that we haven't been invited in.
Um, that
You bring up Excellent point.
Because like, the raping of the ducks, back to that example,
and that's quackers.
Oh, it's like, maybe that is what,
what ascends the duck's spirit, right?
The next life is like the duck sees the female being raped,
and, and the duck thought it had a connection with
that female, and it hurts, breaks the,
and then that those two ducks decide to pair off.
And because ducks do pair off and they go
and they, they, they live away from other ducks,
and those two ducks will stay together, you know?
And that does happen in nature where the, the ducks say, no,
I want, I don't want this.
I want something higher. I want something better.
And the duck sees that in another.
They, they see that in each other and they will pair off.
So maybe that's exactly what you're saying is the soul,
when it's, when it meets another soul and the call is heard
and the resonance is accepted, they do highlight,
they do raise to a higher frequency and choose to pair off
and leave, kind
of like the majority of the other ducks alone.
They don't want anything to do with other ducks.
And then they have their own, you know, ducklings and such.
So that does happen in nature, you
Know? Yeah. It's always good.
The raising of vibration is always good.
The demonizing of a human being is good. All that's good.
My only point was that all kinds of craziness is happening,
and we can't look at what's happening
and say, oh, that's terrible.
I mean, we, we could say it for me, like,
I'm gonna not choose to murder someone.
I can, I can say that, right? And that's a good choice.
I think that's a good choice. But when someone else murders
someone, I can still say, yeah, I wouldn't have done that.
But this is when you, when you zoom out, it's just
each person is living out their own samskara.
And a lot of it is bad. And,
and again, if you zoom out more, you see that creation, it,
it's just, it's all happening.
So it's all good. In total, it's good.
But then in each situation,
we can each choose the best we can.
And at the same time, if,
if my brother over here chooses the wrong thing, yes,
I'm not gonna say he was right to murder that person,
but, uh, but he's, he's living his own life.
And I'm not God, right? Yeah.
But if it's all good, once you zoom all the way out,
then why has it been reported that in several instances,
God has come down from zoomed up
and destroyed everything and said, after this,
'cause that's a religious, that's a religious idea
of God coming down. God never comes down.
Well, here's what I mean Is, well, like Sodom
and Gamora, like it was destroyed.
Like there is a place where they
found the glass in the sand. I,
I love that we're going here, but I feel like the,
the idea of, of destruction is, is like,
like a group karma thing too.
That it's like we're all kind
of like in inviting on some higher level of our reality
to have a, a quote unquote act of God,
which could be all kinds of things are
called acts of God these days.
Uh, but,
But imagine you were perfectly balanced, like
compassion, love.
I can see that person harming that woman in,
in the, in the alleyway.
I can see that person with complete love
and compassion to the person harming to the person
that's harming her, this lost soul
and intervene to remove that person
to help the other, or to help both, right?
But without, without this, without this malice, like, oh,
I'm gonna, but with that focus, just like, uh, uh,
for example, like Jesus made an action to,
um, what's it called?
Uh, remove the demons.
He, he was perfect, loving compassion,
but he says, get outta him.
Right? Get out. Right?
And so it's the same thing, like, we're able to,
to ignore it or not, or be just passerby or whatever.
We, we can choose. And it's not necessarily like it's, uh,
bad that you didn't or did or whatever, right?
There are the choices, but then we'll get what, what, um,
what Chris was saying about, well,
then we might accumulate some more sankara stuff
if we don't intervene, or if we do intervene
or you, you know, like, it, it, it depends like what,
because every action there, there's some type
of consequence, good or bad or indifferent or whatever.
There's the energy, there's always gonna be express itself
Either way. So like,
yeah, the energy, like, like you're out
with your buddies drinking, and you're leaving the bar,
and your body says, oh, look at that hot chick.
I'm gonna go rape her. And you're like, you stop him.
Not for her, but for him too,
because you have love for, for everything.
That energy is still gonna be expressed that
that high energy that he felt also, that that vibrant energy
that she gives off is gonna be then muted and or translated,
or trans, you know, transitioned into your feeling
of satisfaction and stopping
that horrible thing or whatever.
Like the energy is gonna be expressed one way or another.
It's gonna vibrate one way or the other.
If it's gonna vibrate at a 12 in rape
or a 12 in grace, the energy is gonna, the wind will blow.
You know what I mean? It's just, you don't,
I'm bringing it back to now.
Identity. Now, circle back the whole thing, like,
so is identity trauma.
I had a trauma, something happened to me
in a way, and then I express that to other people
because I need resolution for my trauma, right?
So perhaps the whole circle back thing, it might be the
original trauma, which, which is this,
I, uh, separation from God,
being separate from God
could be considered the original trauma.
The initiator of trauma is this separation.
Because what happens when we're born, we cry. We
Fall from grace, right?
We cry when we're born
and then we're, we're held in our mother's arms
and we feel better or whatever, right?
But there's that, it's that separation.
I was just separated, right?
And what do people do when they, when they do good
or bad things, they want to get close together.
I'm getting close because we love each other
where I'm getting close to you
because I don't have that love,
but I gotta take it from you.
IE with a rape scenario,
Right? Or the, the,
the scenario of, of your loved one
and living with your loved one and
vibrating in the same frequency.
That's why you run to your mother when you're hurt
and you, you hug her, it's
'cause you, you're, you're giving her that negative
and she's giving you that positive 'cause she can handle it.
And you know what I mean? Your cells are
responding to that vibration.
But maybe that's where identity came from, is trauma.
Yeah. By, and by the way, the word identity is there.
I mean, in some ways it, it's similar to ego. I don't know.
I, I actually forgot to bring that up earlier.
But also, Mike, I put that link to the,
that reading in there if you want to do that.
It actually, it's, it's kind of very interesting
and goes along with the,
with the conversation. If you want to do that.
I'll add that in description.
What were you saying about ego?
Uh, just that identity is similar to ego.
Uh, and,
and in this reading, which is called imprisonment,
it talks about that where we're always,
we think only of ourselves.
We don't think of Dao or God
or, you know, so we're always focused,
we're always focused on our ego,
and that's our identity. Yeah.
But does trauma create the conditions
for having an ego?
Yeah. Well, I think ego
and trauma are like a, like a downward spiral.
It's like you, I mean, everything starts with ego
because until you have an ego, you're one with God, right?
You don't know anything else. And then when you have an ego,
that's when you incarnate and, well, it starts
before incarnation, but then you incarnate.
And then once you have an ego, then your ego causes trauma,
and then you have more ego
and it's, yeah, it's, and then, yeah.
Can, can you consciously
pretend to have an ego?
Yeah, you can. Sure. Of course.
I have no, I have no interest in gold watches.
But I could go out and buy one tomorrow and wear one
and be like, look at my gold watch.
You know, I could pretend like I care,
But I'm not. But
in which way could that be of service to others? Well,
It, it wouldn't be No to,
to consciously pretend to have an ego.
Yeah. I could, I could pretend
to like, you know, inflate it.
Like, you know, I could go
Maybe to bond with other people who have an ego. Yeah.
What's that? Yeah.
May maybe pretending to have an ego as a way to bond
with other people who have an ego.
Yeah. Yeah. So you bond with 'em
and then you can reduce the ego of both
of you, or try to anyway.
Yeah. Well, perhaps even taking
the slings and arrows from people's saying, Hey,
you got an ego, even though I don't, I'm pretending.
Hmm. And they're releasing their own samskara,
pointing their finger at you
because they're releasing their own stuff. They're
Allowing you not to the surface. At
Least you're pretending It gets to come up
to the surface, thanks to the mirroring.
That's what all this is. When you're seeing somebody
that is triggering you in any way, you're allowing yourself
to have that projection.
And this is the service that we're providing to one another,
is constantly mirroring, providing the mirror for people
to see what it is that's going on inside themselves,
that they didn't have a, in the conscious mind
until you brought it up to the surface.
It was the unconscious ego that needed to be brought
to the forefront through the perception of egos outside
of us that allows us to,
uh, well, almost like puzzle pieces.
Now, forgive that aspect of you.
Forgive that aspect of me together. Correct.
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
If you're a good person, right?
You're a good person, or you're in the,
the lower frequencies, like, like rappers
or something like that, you know, it's like they, they,
they might, they might consciously at home say, you know,
b*****s and hoes ain't really how I am in real life,
but I'm gonna put on that persona to make money and,
and I'm gonna make people think that that's cool.
You know what I mean? And, and that kinda lifestyle, I'm,
I'm sure that that's happening.
Yeah. It's actually a funny thing
that you, you really can't make a very, very high level
of teaching very popular,
because that's now what people are electing to go
to the store and purchase.
They're wanting the rap music
and not the, the, the, the mugs singing in the temple.
That's why I've wanted to get a group of,
like a think tank together to figure out how,
how to swindle people into true spirituality,
which I know that's a dumb idea.
But anyway, that's my idea.
No, You're, you're not far off. Actually
Count me. There, there,
there are groups that they're,
they're like psyop groups, people
who do psychological operations for the good side
and the bad side, right?
And a lot of that is to kind of swindle
or sell the idea of something in order to get people
to wake up, right?
I've said like a hundred times, like, I would love
to have like a Hobbit movie
where it was just about the hobbits just being,
being hobbit, you know, eating good food
and planting gardens and stuff.
Like why do we have to go to Mordor?
Like why can't we just, you know?
'cause I love like the beginning of the Hobbit when it's
just like all fun times and good stuff,
and it's like, I think people would really resonate towards
like what you're saying, you know,
it was just a pos something positive
for positive's sake, you know?
Why is the news always the bad news? You know?
Like I, I love going on social media and,
and I, I, my, my feed is like, on Instagram it's nothing
but like, puppies and homesteading
and like, all good stuff, you know?
'cause I've realized the algorithm, it picks up on
what you like and stuff.
So I started only liking only commenting on
that good positive stuff.
'cause if, if you just follow and like, and,
and interact with the negative stuff, the algorithm says,
oh, you know, the matrix says, oh, you know,
these humans need the, the,
the disasters in order to be happy. Well, no, we don't.
I've, I've thought about this though.
I'm telling you, and this is why I said
before this earthly existence is, is,
is like hell, we're getting, we're just getting bashed
and beat up this, this is an arena of, of
just nastiness with a little bit of good stuff.
Because he, but think about it.
If anyone like Jesus, okay, Jesus figured it out,
he transcended, but guess what?
Then he died and he's gone. I meaning he's, he.
So what ha what I'm saying is when you,
when you have a deep realization, you graduate.
So what that means is most of the people on this plane,
were not graduated yet.
We're still here. We're we're,
we're in it. That's why it's ugly.
And you're right on. 'cause Jesus died,
but he didn't, he was resurrected.
He came back. He, he was like neo in the
matrix getting shot.
It's like, yeah, he died.
Then he realized that, no, I'm coming back. I'm coming back.
And he ascended to the higher level.
You know, he walked on that damn water.
'cause he, because, and that's the other thing, back
to the beginning of what you said about in order
to walk on water, you have to truly, without a doubt,
believe without any doubt that it's possible.
And that, that is the, the, that is the hardest thing to do,
is to eliminate all disbelief.
But like Jesus, he, he must have believed that he was gonna,
you know, come back.
'cause he, he came back and then he
ascended, you know? So yeah.
So the, the Zoom user says,
zoom user isn't the negative, the push.
We need to realize what we don't want. Yeah.
That, and that's the, i
that's the way I see this earthly existence is, and,
and it's, it happened to me in my life.
I had to hit rock bottom at now.
I, I didn't, it wasn't the worst rock bottom ever known
to man, but it was, it was my rock bottom.
And it wasn't until then that I woke up.
So that's why some people have even said
in this life, it maybe it's even better
to drive people down, help them be more evil and stupid
and every, and, and let 'em drive 'em down.
Because once they get down there, they're,
then they hit rock bottom and they're like, oh s**t.
Only way. I don't know. I don't
Know. So, so
I feel like
the universe automatically is doing these things.
We don't have to push it.
This is just, this is
how everything was engineered on a higher level.
We're not the engineers of the, of the complexity of the
karma that's, that's playing out.
But, but we we're also, we have certain roles
and obligations that we're made aware of little by little.
And so it feels like there is is somewhat
of a imbalance in the favor of people being thrown a lot
of negative information so we can be the counterbalance and,
and allow their life to have more ropes to, to pull on
and find their way back up.
And I feel like it's not, it's not bad to just assume
that we're in that role
because we're, we have all these abilities
to be, to see what's going on.
Therefore, I, I tend to assume that it's my role
to be an angel to people and not a demon.
I think. Well, I do, I do see the, oh, sorry.
Is that okay? I,
I was just gonna say real quick is' like, when we're born
as babies, it's like babies are not born evil.
Right. Babies are happy and they're peaceful and everything.
It's the world happens, you know?
And it's like, yeah, if, if the world beats you back enough,
then yeah, hitting rock bottom is a point to
where you can turn it around.
Like something will click.
But I feel like if the world was in a, the,
the correct resonance to begin with,
babies would be born happy and they would just stay happy
and have good lives, and we would all be peaceful
and happy for the most part.
Of course, darkness will still exist. But
Yeah, that, like I was saying, I, I still, I feel
like we're leveling up
because of certain things that I've,
I've been noticing at least the past year
or so that some level up events are happening.
Like I just mentioned before about the lunar eclipse.
I mean, solar eclipse, everything was hunky dory.
Everybody was Wow.
Then we had the solar storm
that could have destroyed humanity.
Nothing happened. Maybe a little glitch on
a GPS here or there.
Right. That,
and then I've been following, I don't know, physicist
Nasim Harriman, if anybody knows.
Okay, physics Nassim Harriman.
He's been talking about this for years, about, um, you know,
hinting at his technology.
Uh, but he was being very careful, right?
And then I was, I, I, I know that he's being careful,
but he just released one
of his devices on Twitter the other day, a really nice video
showing it and whatever, like a free energy device thing,
because he's in the know about the, what's it called?
The, um, the climate
in a geopolitical scientific arena
when it's a good time to release.
So when I look at him, I'm like, he's been safe
for a long time now.
He's making this move now.
And I just keep on seeing things leveling up in a way where
like, nobody wants, this is the craziest thing, you know,
the, the, the Palestine and the Israeli
or like the, the whatever, uh, at the colleges Yeah.
You got the American boys
and you got the Palestinian people like fighting.
Yeah. But then one of the, one
of the groups started saying F Joe Biden.
Right? The crazy, like,
say the American group started saying it,
and then the Palestinian group was saying the same thing.
F Joe, they were all saying F Joe Biden together.
Right. So it was like they,
they agreed on one thing. They all
Started this way, but they all met. Yeah,
Exactly.
So it's funny, as in like you, I'm seeing these kind
of trends working towards that, that area
where things are leveling up.
And just like you said with the, the eclipse,
it's like there were little moderators trying
to influence it to be a bad thing.
There were little voices trying to whisper chaos when,
when the, when the eclipse happens, chaos can happen.
And it, and then the, the masses got together
and said, you know what f that, no.
You know, and it's like, this is happening.
It's like when the, you know, the Oppenheimer thing,
it's like, yeah, we could use this technology
to create energy for everyone,
or we can whisper, Hey, let's make it into a bomb.
Let's start a war. You know?
And it's like throughout history, that little voice has kind
of been winning and it's like, man, people are just,
souls are getting sick of this s**t, you know?
And it's, I agree with you lately,
it does seem like we're starting to resonate on a,
just a slightly little bit of a higher frequency.
I just wonder where that, where is that marker for?
It's like we get to where it's like, you know, are we that,
are we, I don't feel like we're that far away.
Nah, we're not. It almost feels like it,
it's in like the little, you know, the, uh,
little hole in a dam.
Mm-Hmm. Burton out. And then eventually it's like Mm-Hmm.
Like, it's getting to a point where it's gonna be,
I have no idea, but it feels like it, like we might be
partying like in the very near future
about something that's really good.
Yeah. Who knows how quick,
because usually it's like the rubber band effect.
You can stretch it for a long time.
It take, maybe it takes you like a minute
to like stretch it,
and then you have your extension in like,
in less than a second boom rubber band Yeah.
Of idea, right? So
It can break. It can break,
It can break too. But
then it goes, but, but it goes both at
That point, man. Yeah, I agree.
We're, we're at that point, you know,
it's like, either we're gonna snap ourselves in the face
that sucker's gonna break
or else, you know, we're,
we're approaching that critical mass.
You know, and I, I, I've talked about this,
I think it was when Mike was interviewing me, just me,
is like, I came to this, this existence hesitantly,
and I have a memory of before I came here.
And I, I remember saying, no, I'm not going there again.
You know, like, we've done, I've done,
this is not the first time we've all been here
and done this, and I'm sick of this s**t.
I'm sick of losing and having to restart. I said, I'm done.
I'm not going back there. And something convinced me
to come back one last time
and said, no, just rock that boat.
Just, you get in there and you rock. Just be you.
And we get a tip at this time.
We were close last time,
but now this time we're gonna tip that son of a b***h
and we're gonna, we're gonna do it.
And this time we gotta do it.
And, you know, talking to you guys is like, you know,
we're just four guys, but let's do it.
You know what I mean? Let's rock that sucker, man. Exactly.
The meet suits are together. Let's
Go.
I'm, I'm voting for MEET right now.
I enjoy the meetings and I think this is a good time
to wrap it up and open it up to the people
who are attending, uh, the discussion.
And we'll stop the recording here.
And thank you guys for joining us,
And Yeah, thank you guys for another awesome one.
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