Hey, Nick. Hey.
So now the tables have turned.
Hello my friends.
Hi, Andrew.
Hey. Hello. I, I expect to be, uh, back on camera here, probably in, uh,
I dunno about maybe 15 minutes or so. But in the meantime,
I'm definitely here and, uh, looking forward to this conversation. Great.
Yeah. Yeah, I,
I thought this would be a great time to just have a just general spiritual
discussion about a lot of the things going on. Uh,
but you can ask me anything too,
'cause you had expressed that interest of digging more into my background,
although that is subjective,
whether or not background even means anything compared to the present moment.
But it's just so much fun to have these discussions.
I'm open to anything on the table right now.
Oh, that's awesome. I've definitely written some questions. Um,
I know Nick's got some things he's good about too. Nick,
do you wanna get us started off here?
Yeah, definitely. Uh, the, you were saying that, you know, the,
the past is kind of subjective, but I think that, uh,
as the main driving force and, and creative force behind Ascension works,
I'm sure there's a lot of people that would like to know, you know, just what,
what drives you, what, what your goal is with Ascension works. You,
you're putting a lot out all this great material for people to use as a resource
in their journey. And, uh, it, it,
I think a lot of people would like know how you gotta this point in your
journey.
That's, yeah, that's a great question.
I feel like there's two different threads that have been interwoven
into my past, which are the, the spiritual seeking and the,
the broader disclosure categories,
which to me represent like suppressed knowledge, suppressed information,
which I feel is, uh, well, well, so it, when, when I, you know, I was,
it was in college when I first discovered a lot of the stuff about UFOs and the,
the real good evidence that that wasn't being presented in any good way up until
that point, when I finally did the research, I realized it,
I couldn't explain the abundance of amazing evidence of U F O phenomenon,
but also of all kind of metaphysical sciences.
Some people call it noetic sciences. The fact that, you know, it's,
it's essentially proven statistically such as through the Princeton engineering
anomalies research lab, that we all have, uh, psychic abilities that there's,
there's, there's a,
a mental thing going on that that suggests the consciousness is a layer beneath,
um, physical reality. And so, so to me,
it felt as though I'd gone my whole life sort of being lied to about the,
the idea that material reality is the ultimate reality.
And the U f O topic also seems to invite, you know,
the sense of mystery that breaks down the walls of people's programming,
where it's like they have to go to fiction to get the sense of mystery,
the sense of wonder. They, they have to sort of tune out of their,
their current lives to, to get that,
to get that experience that they're seeking,
because they've been programmed to think that that experience of,
of a mystical reality where anything is possible is not actually the reality
that their, their physical bodies are in actually in. So, so for me,
it's like there's, there's,
there's a need to get information out that I felt very strongly when I started
researching. And I, I did a great deal of research, um, uh,
at the tail end of my college experience the last year, and I just,
I,
I was so confused about what I was supposed to do with my life that I felt that
I needed to research everything, to, to, to get a sense of the bigger picture.
And I didn't really, there was no end to that.
It wasn't like there was some strong conclusion. There was just a feeling like,
like there's a lot of poorly communicated information that people are
desperately needing to hear. And,
and that was what the core inspiration that I had was is that
like, even me just burning DVDs,
printing out the,
the Army's Special Operations manual and retrieving terrestrial craft,
that kind of thing, that, that was validated so many ways by Ryan Wood.
And that was very impressive to me, that there's so much, there's documentation,
there's everything that if I just put it together and,
and a packets of information and get that in people's hands, maybe,
maybe there'll be a revolution. And,
and it feels like it was the beginning of it with the internet. And I mean,
it's totally evolved to this point where there,
the information warfare is now on the level of algorithms, and it's,
it's a whole other, um, context of waking people up now. Um, but,
but, but I continuously over the years shifted back into this feeling like,
I don't know how much any of this matters compared to teaching people about the
seriousness of the religions and the truths that have already been communicated.
Clearly it's, but it's almost like every religion is like a,
it's like a cookie trail path,
and people can stop on any point that they want before getting to the,
the deeper truths.
And so religions themselves can be very useful and also very distracting if
you're not continuously seeking further to take it more seriously to,
to figure out what the deeper meaning of love is and, um,
truly unconditional forgiveness for everyone.
So there's been kind of like a sine wave of going back and forth between, um,
you know,
just focusing on the most abstract spiritual philosophy and then focusing on the
nitty gritty of what, what's actually going on that's being hidden from us.
Because it feels like there's a balance in the awakening of the planet that we
need to sort of break free from all the, the shackles,
which are information based and which, which are control structure based,
in order to create the spiritual paradise where everyone is,
is very awakened and aware of what's going on and including the spiritual
reality.
That's a, that's a great segue. Um, Mike,
to a question that I had had actually that was all along similar lines,
what you were just talking about, which was, um,
I really want to hear you describe, um,
how you're drawn to the parts of the illusion that you will choose to
become invested in and to, you know, just as you've, uh,
done so with disclosure, for example,
I see you as both comprehending and embodying, um,
a a transcendent truth that is well beyond and,
and outside of the illusion. And then I also see you, um,
also plugged in, in certain areas to understand certain parts of the illusion.
And I heard you just say that that's about explaining it to people so that they
can start to understand perhaps how some of this misinformation has maybe kept
them from understanding the truth. So, um, so yeah,
tell me a little bit about that and how, and why, um,
I guess extraterrestrial ism and disclosure itself has, um,
drawn more of your, um, kind of awareness and investment than, um,
other things that you might use to convey, uh, similar principles.
Well, I feel like every expression of humanity,
every expression of knowledge and truth has a certain quality of
spiritual metaphysical light behind it. And,
and it's almost like a fire that, that you can feel when, when there's a,
when there's a very deep, deep truth about, you know, the,
the, the other side of the veil, the about looking, looking past our,
our limited lens just to have a sense of the infinite.
So I feel like there are the, it's, it's, it really is like the, the,
the breadcrumbs of,
of the taste of the infinite mind when you're begin discussing something that
doesn't deal as much with the finite reality people are used to, and it, and it,
and people don't have to,
people can think of extraterrestrials and they can go down a path of fear and
feel like this is a very terrible thing,
that we just have another government system that happens to be in space.
But you can also see the, the potential of the,
there's actually infinite intelligence out there because there's an infinite
array of different kinds of intelligences.
So becoming aware of terrestrials,
to me is connected to becoming aware of infinite potential and the infinite
mind. And so although people might not take that catalyst of recognition of
extraterrestrials and go that path, I feel like there's a greater, uh,
doorway, a bigger,
more tempting doorway for people to open up the doorway towards, um,
a a grander sense of mystery of, of the unknown that can open up the,
the heart of the infinite awareness.
Okay. Um, so I like that.
And I also like that you sort of touched on something that you and I have
chatted about in this realm a little bit before,
and that I have a little bit of sensitivity around some of the fear that can be
inspired. And I don't necessarily mean that by extraterrestrial sort of broadly,
but everything else that you're talking about, the misinformation and Yeah. Um,
and there's a lot to, to be dissatisfied with,
obviously and to not be okay with.
And yet I still grapple with that sometimes about when fear is
coming in versus discernment and how we make sure that when we're
trying to inspire others to open up to more possibilities that, um,
we're not opening doors, uh, of fear for them. Right.
Which obviously they get to two. But
Yeah, that's a, that's a huge issue. And it's,
it was surprising to me as I became more connected to different
conspiracy oriented communities,
how much people would get caught up on specific subject matter. Um,
and, and obviously there, there's so many examples where people are,
are hung up on political subjects where they end up going
getting sucked into like a warfare mentality with the
opponent who happens to have, you know,
a mutually exclusive belief system that has been engineered for a long time to
keep us divided. And, and, and there,
there's all these traps that people can fall into instead of continuing all the
way to, to see that the, well, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna phrase this another way.
So it's like I,
there, there's a sense to me that the,
the information that's been hidden from us has been hidden from us because of
our innate power. If we, if we rise up to,
to hold, hold that power as a collective and operate from a, a,
a standpoint of freedom and liberation instead of the standpoint of the
philosophy of philosophies of control. And so,
so just generally recognizing that the,
the matrix of,
of information is based around philosophies of value around control
instead of value around acceptance. Those all, all the different patterns,
all the different false flag scenarios,
all the different concealments of health knowledge. It, it's, it, it,
it seems like if people get enough of a taste of how much has been hidden from
them, there,
there is a potential for inspiration to begin the seeking where you no longer
need to be spoonfed the reality. You're now,
you're now desirous of more and more and more of, of, of the,
of the truth, of, of what, of the real power that we possess,
that there's nothing that's too good to be true because there's,
there's always another layer, uh, of, of the truth. Um, so, so for me,
it's just kind of a matter of flooding people with enough light and truth that,
that they, they're kind of overwhelmed with, um,
with the, the realization that we don't need to be so attached to the,
the material. Um, but, but of course, like I said,
there's all kinds of traps along the way
And those traps.
One last, we'll, one last question, and then I wanted, um,
Nick to jump in and, um, and see where this goes. But just to clarify,
the thrust of disclosure, Mike, from your position,
is it the control and that we are being misinformed,
or is it that there is extra terrestrial life?
And I don't mean to ask that pedantically,
but I I would like to know which is the most important thing that you would like
people to understand about that?
Well, I feel like these are interconnected subjects because you can't,
you can't understand the bigger reality without understanding how we got to this
point on a, as a planet where we're collectively so confused.
And so it feels like the controls of information are intimately connected
to the wake up process that we have to break free from every system of control
in order to fully, fully step into the, the fullest truths.
That actually is perfect, because what I was gonna say is that all these, these,
uh, breadcrumbs, you know,
and religion and hidden truths and science that you were talking about,
and you said you can keep following the breadcrumbs,
but stop at any point along the way and get lost in that point and dive deeper
into the fear. What were some of the moments for you?
Like what were some of the lightning bolt truths that, that you saw,
whether in religion or disclosure or in health that
really gave you that peek behind the veil and helped dissipate your fear and
possibly point people in directions, you know, books or,
or authors or people that would help them get to that point where they would
start to drop the fear?
So there, there's so much to talk about with Yeah. The, the different,
the, so I mean,
my journey of awakening started with the disclosure project,
which was Stephen Greer's project to bring out a bunch of, uh,
government insiders. And, um, you know,
he was just one small part of just, just a wave of,
of truth coming out. Um, so,
so certainly that was the biggest seed for me to get started. Um,
but a large,
another huge seed was the gro KC readings discovering that there was this
treasure trove of channel material,
which was guiding people around all the different kinds of health ailments that
existed when he was around, because he, yet he did 14,000 documented readings,
and you can download all of them, you can,
you can search for different health subjects, different kinds of foods,
and even even different bible verses. And I was, I was reading there, uh,
Casey's interpretation of certain Bible verses and realizing this was way more
appealing and resonant than what I had thought of those verses
previously.
So it was as though he had a stronger command of the Christian religion,
while simultaneously having a stronger command of the way the body functions
than anyone else had seemingly had since that time. Um,
although,
although so many aspects of what he was talking about with the health knowledge
has now trickled into the mainstream alternative health knowledge community,
even though that's taken a long time. Um, but, but, um,
one of the biggest amazing examples to me is he said, um, you've been heard,
heard it said Apple a day keeps the doctor away, but I tell you,
an almond day keeps the doctor away. However,
what he was talking about was bitter almonds,
which were the primarily known almonds of the day, and the, the,
the bitter almond trees were banned from being grown in California.
And that's a whole other subject that she ever Griffin talks about with the
amygdala substance, which is very much cancer fighting substance, which is that,
that, that it, it like, it,
it pulls in my heart that there's something so easy that you can just go on
Amazon, even just look at reviews for apricot seeds,
which has apricot seeds have a lot of, a lot of amylin content.
And it's so valuable to be consuming just this one,
one compound found in so many seeds, apple seeds,
people are taught that even apple seeds are poisonous. Don't let your,
don't let anybody have apple seeds,
and that's one of the healthiest things you can be eating. So that was one,
one of the kinds health knowledge that just, it put a fire in my heart,
like how many people could be so benefited if they could,
they open up to the fact they don't need all the, well, it, I mean,
this is a complex subject.
There's many ways in which people need to take care of the health to support
themselves in fighting cancer. And ultimately the,
the true thing that is most important is to overcome the metaphysical blockages.
But I do feel like there's, there's an inspiration of a metaphysical nature,
which co coincides with the discovery of natural health
opportunities that can help break free some of the,
some of the issues people have, um, metaphysically and physically. Um, and,
you know, fasting is another good example of that where, um,
experimenting with fasting, I think is, is a very empowering thing because it,
it, it shows you that there's,
there's like a deeper level to your attachment to food that,
that you can, you can work on that, that's connected to a lot of health issues.
Um, so I, I just covered a couple examples there, I feel. Um, yeah.
And so, and you, as you were talking about this, this wave, uh,
kind of breaching the physical and then going into the metaphysical and the
whole time your life was right down the middle as you went deeper into the
metaphysical and it led you into the physical.
So it sounds to me like you started with a lot of the physical truths
and then it led you to the metaphysical truths.
And so what would be some of,
so Edgar Casey would definitely be some of the metaphysical,
and he talked about both ends of it. Um, what would be,
'cause I know the law of one had a large impact in your life, and what were,
what were some of the other things, um, along those lines? Like as you,
as you started that transition from the physical down to the metaphysical,
what were some of the deep readings and, and things that just, I mean,
there's, there's so many things that when you read them, you're like, yes.
And whether you can prove it or not, you know, it in your knower, that that is,
that is a peek behind the veil.
Yeah, yeah. I guess there's so many books that I read that I,
but a course of Miracle stands out the most. This, there was a,
there's a man who calls himself master teacher,
and my roommates thought I was in a cult when I was watching this guy's videos,
but he,
he taught me about a course of miracles before I even knew that it was a book.
It was like, I found these videos, um, randomly, and he was just,
he was reading from a Course of Miracles and he was saying this to Jesus
teachings, and I had to like research that, but
it is like, they were so profound. I couldn't, I couldn't really understand how,
how was, how was this in the Bible? Like,
but he would inter he would use both the Bible and Course of Miracles side by
side, um, at times. And, but yeah, that,
that was one of the more incredible experiences I had.
Reading slowly through a Course in Miracles over several years,
it was as though there was a completely different way of looking at everything,
like upside down way of looking at things that that book was presenting that I
don't even know if I've heard any, uh,
course miracles teacher really do justice to the depth of the truth that that
book is just pouring out with every page. So that was very,
I have, and I'm looking at 'em right now. Thank you guys. Have a great day.
I was just saying, um, for those who haven't had the, the pleasure, um,
Mike is an artist at pulling concepts and
beautiful sacred passages from of course, miracles.
And that book is stunning.
I'm hearing you read it and how you select what you invite us to
hear sometimes. Mike is just beautiful. I just so love it
Like a walking
Encyclopedia. Yes. Though, as I,
as I um, alluded to,
I stopped short of referring to Mike as a scholar, as a spiritual scholar.
A a scholar is necessarily in my view and definition, um,
at length or at a distance from that, which it seeks to understand.
And Mike is a teacher and Mike is a teacher by being,
he literally just is and embodies these things and these concepts.
And that's actually something I wanted to ask you, Mike,
is your relationship to doing versus being,
and I wanted to ask a question, like, on a day-to-day basis, um,
how much, like by percentage or, you know,
whatever do you feel you are doing versus being in whatever
those mean to you?
Well,
I think that we're kind of talking about the work on the conscious mind and the
work in the unconscious realms.
And if you take an example of like riding a bicycle or ride driving a car,
you know, the,
the initial experience is heavily focused on the physical
aspect of it. And you're thinking about how do you,
how do you steer and how is the tire hitting the road?
And you're trying very hard to, to focus on the physical aspect of it.
But as you become a, a very good driver,
you start thinking more in terms of what are the other drivers in the road
thinking?
And you have the capacity to be angry at them because of assumptions about what
they're thinking.
And it becomes a whole other metaphysical component to the experience. And, and,
uh, and you, you can,
and I feel like you can open your heart enough to actually know what's gonna
happen on the road and, and, and feel love for other people on the road.
And, and I don't wanna recommend this, but you can,
you can be like Luke Skywalker if you, if you,
if you get to a certain point and you can blindfold yourself and you can still
drive just fine if you, if you,
if you have that level of sight opened up where, where the,
where you're not operating as much wi within the physical illusion, you're,
you're trusting and allowing from, from the,
from the higher state of being which you are choosing to become. Um,
so I think it's that way with, with everything where, um,
you know, when we're at, at work, we can,
we can kind of turn a lot of things on, on autopilot when,
when the deeper lesson of the transformations of the heart are what we
wanna be focusing on more and becoming more and more, you know,
becoming more and more the one infinite creator and becoming more and more
capable of seeing others as the one in front creator,
such that we are opening up to their reality and incorporating our,
our, our light with theirs more to, to build,
to build the the new kingdom of, of heaven on earth.
I really feel, Mike, that you hit the head,
the male on the head with two words you said, trying,
and that's what I equate to doing. And then you said allowing,
and that's what I equate to being. And I think you described it perfectly,
and it also kinda reminded me of our recent conversation about you and coding
that when you are in that super comfort zone,
writing in a language that you just know inside and out,
that you actually enjoy that. And that to me, I would describe,
even though there's an outward positive creative expression going on there,
I have to imagine that there's also a state of flow,
and maybe even to an extent, some amount of channeling going on,
that you're really just allowing that to come through.
So even though there's something being created affirmatively,
I would still send tend to think of that in more of a,
a being aspect than doing when you're that comfortable.
Yeah, definitely. And, and it's, it's,
it became very clear as I was banging my head against the wall trying to learn
to be a programmer that, you know, the,
the state of vibration that I'm in determines how easily the right course of
action flows out of me. So, and, and the more I'm,
and this is the same with a lot of jobs, the,
the more you're stuck in a frustrated state,
the less likely you are to have the intuitive guidance of exactly what it,
what it is that needs to be done. And, and, uh, I remember having a debate with,
uh, a programmer, uh, uh,
about the need to follow steps, uh,
versus the need to go with the gut reaction. And it's like the more,
the more you realize the value of your intuition,
the more naturally you can find all the bugs in the code and solve them,
know exactly where the problem is, know exactly.
You can literally just have a feeling that a particular file is the source of
the bug, and you can just go straight to that file,
have a feeling that you need to scroll down a certain number of lines of code in
that file to have a feeling that you need to look at that particular function
and the, and the code. So yeah, intuition is, is very critical,
uh, to becoming very effective. And having a higher, uh, taking a nap,
for example, is one of the most useful things a programmer can do, I think, to,
to solve any issue
That almost branches into effortlessness mike
in that state of flow.
And I'm such a big fan of that and always wanna highlight and emphasize that
to people that when they encounter that, when they see that in another person,
um, gosh, you have an opportunity to acknowledge that,
to align to that in your own experience. Um, that's,
that's beautiful.
When you were doing the, uh, the, uh,
looking at the master teacher stuff and you said your roommates were,
were joking with you that you were in a cult, uh,
were they fully joking with you or were, were,
were they kind of joshing you to the point where it became something that you
had to really follow your heart and rise above this?
Was it, was it joking or was it ridicule?
There was ridicule of other things too, because I was trying to,
I was trying to be a proselytizer at that time still.
And so the more I was trying to push it on them, the more they had to resist.
It's like, we do not need your truth, Mike.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's funny that that seems to be something that happens to a lot of people
that start the journey,
is that when you are with a certain group of people and you start to open your
mind up to these things and it feels right to you,
you all you wanna do is bring that to the people around you that you care about.
And there's, with certain people,
there seems to be a lot of resistance and like,
what were some of those moments in your life where, you know,
there was a lot of resistance, but it really helped you grow in realizing,
you know, like you said, that we don't have to eat your truth or, you know,
sometimes it's just not the right time for people, you know,
to keep growing for yourself, but don't let the discouragement of others,
you know,
where there were there moments in your life where that really helped you grow
into the person and the,
the true seeker that you are following your intuition and not necessarily
listening to the world around you?
Yeah, absolutely. Understanding how to talk to people, uh,
and give them little bits at a time is, is, is, is very important. And,
and the,
the best example that I can think of right now is when I tried to wake up my
dad, he was like the first person I, I put together a D v D pack for, you know,
now I'm putting together a D V D pack every month people attend meetings at the
libraries,
but I put together like all the stuff that I thought was the most amazing at the
time, and, and he couldn't handle hardly any of it. Uh, and,
and I eventually, um,
I I got him to just watch one,
one thing that finally kind of started cracking a door open, which was the, uh,
the nine 11 mysteries, uh, documentary, uh, that,
that was a very, very, uh, it wasn't emotional, it was just,
uh, outlining facts, uh, that you can look into. Um, and,
and I, and that, that kind of took,
allowed me to take a step back and realize that the best truth is kind of
conveyed without strong emotions attached to it. Yeah. It's just,
here are the simple facts not to be
Too. Oh,
Yeah. So I was gonna say it, it feels like the best,
the most easy way to to feel comfortable is,
is just guiding people through the tidbits of what are the actual facts.
And then you don't have to feel as attached to the, the material,
which somebody can have a very strong emotional reaction to if there's a lot of
distortions and,
and emotional baggage baked into that documentary or whatever you're sharing
with them. So, so there's a lot of wisdom that, that,
that is involved in discerning what to share and what is actually something
people can, can digest based on where they're at. Um, so, so for example, the,
the biggest trigger point for something like nine 11 truth
was people who were just saying this was all George W. Bush, and,
and if you should give that to Republican and their super lover of
George W. Bush, then,
then immediately whatever they hear against George W. Bush is, is like,
it was the, it was absolutely completely false. You know, there was no,
nothing worth listening to. So, so understanding the, the,
the people that you're sharing with is,
and that's a process of opening your heart to that person too.
Understanding them enough and to interact with them, um,
and not just shoot them with a fire hose, but understand where,
where they're coming from on everything. Um,
you can work with them on taking the next step
That they're seeking. Um, alright, so I wanna,
I wanna ask a question about that when it comes to teaching and go back a step
to the last, uh, question that Nick was talking about. Um, you know,
carefully when we use words like cult that got thrown around,
especially in spiritual circles, and I encountered something recently,
and I'd really like to get your take on it. So I had a friend, uh, who's Dutch,
and she attended an online meditation and she messaged me and said that the,
the center or the kinda the organization I guess that put it on is,
is actually based in Denver. And she said, oh, have you ever heard of 'em?
And I said, no. And she said, well, I'm trying to figure out Sera cult,
but you know, she really liked the, the meditation.
And so I go to their site and I kind of immediately kind of find this
resistance,
but I'm not sure whether I'm really going to to honor this resistance
or not.
But basically you have these kind of gurus or masters that even have special
names, and it's like, I,
I stop immediately as soon as I encounter someone that is
either putting themselves out or is otherwise put out as something that is
special or different than what it is that we all are and are moving to accept.
I kind of become resistant to that because it just seems very egoic
and hierarchical, et cetera. But then at the same time,
this particular site that describes these three people that kind of lead this
thing describes them as more or less channels that,
that are bringing through other entities that are,
that have incarnated in this life. And so then, well on that regard, well,
am I completely discounting something that is possibly incarnated, you know,
from, uh,
a higher level dimension and is become realized in awakened state, you know,
in this incarnation? So maybe, you know,
it's not to be thrown out with the bathwater either,
but I guess I'd just like to know how you have encountered, um,
either religious or even spiritual groups in which there is not
only some apparent leader,
but also in that that leader is more than say a humble servant
of like, you know, like an eastern guru kind of thing, but is much more, um,
revered and seen as special or powerful and how you
encounter that and what your kind of gut reaction is to it.
Well, um, there, there's a couple things that come to mind. Uh, the, the,
the simplest way to evaluate any organization or teacher is to know them by
their fruits, I feel, and, and see how many people are being helped. And,
um, and see, you know, what,
what is actually happening with people and are people becoming more inspired to,
to do their own work and to do their own service? Or,
or is it just, is it just being focused in one little bubble that that could,
that's one indicator o of of, of the value of something. Um,
but I think there's a, a,
there's a kind of bigger question here of, um, what, you know,
what is actually, uh, the, the core important things about a,
a religious organizational or activity. And I love what Alan Watts said about,
you know, you can, you can take on any distortions of religion,
you can, you can wear the beads, you can sing the song,
you can do the dance and you can enjoy it. Like a child is enjoying a a,
a game, and it's a form of play. And,
and if people want to play with their identity,
if people wanna play with their sense of specialness and different ways,
then, then you can,
you can choose to go along with that and, um,
and,
and release the need to form any judgements and just play with it
and see for yourself if you are reaping fruits and
see, see what's coming from it. So you can,
you can play and then distill as Ross says, you know,
experience all that is desired,
distilling the love and the light within those experiences. Um,
nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away. So,
Okay, let me ask this then. So kind of again, along the similar lines,
if let's say you have someone in a spiritual leadership
sort of position and,
and is put forth as someone that is bringing forth more light,
and they are,
let's say for the sake of this conversation,
more egoically oriented and perhaps even
in the raw context, even perhaps negatively polarized. Um,
but simply to understand the nature of energy and a collective
and, you know, is set up to want to be in control or on top of that, but let's,
negative or otherwise, let's say that that's an egoic, um, endeavor.
And then let's say somebody comes along that seeks to understand the concepts
that this teacher is putting out.
Do you imagine that that teacher energetically is capable,
or I should say,
is the opportunity even available for the student to encounter a vibration that
indeed is not technically present within the teacher,
but perhaps that the student can still align to sort of in their own
imagination? Or,
or do you think that the guru mechanics are such that the field of the guru
themselves,
and this has a lot to do with initiatic paths in both eastern and western
traditions, but do you think that the energy field of the guru themselves is,
is informing the energy field of the student and so on and so on and so on?
And that's how these lineages tend to work energetically?
I think it's a mixture, but I think the, the, you know,
the law of one says regarding the experience of the mind, um,
that to the pure,
all that is encountered speaks of the love in light of infinite creator.
And so you're,
you can choose to interpret any catalyst along any path,
and so anybody can become your guru in that sense and be just as valid of a guru
if you're, if you're using the,
the highest light available to you to, to shine. And, and also you can,
I mean, in, in a context of an organization,
usually no one is just getting away with being 100% service to self. If,
if it's a organization full of people who are on seekers,
because there is some karmic, uh, contract,
I feel that requires the, the leaders to meet certain,
um,
requirements to mirror the expectations of the people who they're attracting.
And so there'll be natural naturally challenges for them to dominate people who
are liberated, if that makes sense.
That makes sense. It does make sense. They're, they're,
they are gonna attract the ones that are gonna both be resonant or somehow
complimentary to what it is that they're doing for the catalyst to probably, um,
be optimized on both sides potentially.
Yeah. It's just more fuel, just more catalyst for the fire.
And it seems to me like that's what you're, uh,
trying to do with ascension works. Like you are putting out this space that is,
that is kind of a, a place to go find catalyst,
whether it's from the metaphysical, whether it's from the physical, the health,
the spiritual, you know, any of these aspects. And that,
that is what, when I speak with you,
it seems like that's your great burning desire is to just,
like you said, distill the experience of the religion or,
but for you it's just distilling your experience of the world in
all these different facets and saying, Hey, look, this is what helped me.
Did it help any of you and what helped you? And it, it seems to be a,
a great project. I mean, I was just reading the comments and it said, um,
um, Trish was talking about, she,
she had somebody that said that they cured, uh, cancer for eating apple seeds.
And uh, Debbie was saying that she sees that the, you know,
that the world is kind of waking up more and more.
And it does seem like that we are going through this process,
and I know from the law of one, they,
they talk about the earth is going through this third to fourth dimension
change, and the, and the people within it will, you know,
they're either gonna go through the change themselves,
so they're going to kind of go crazy. And is that,
is that one of the things that you see, like, you know,
you're trying to help those people that are on the cusp kind of fall. Like,
look, if you, if you start looking at these things,
you could fall in this direction instead of going to crazy town.
Does that seem to be one of your ultimate goals? 'cause when I speak to,
it seems to be that
Yeah, people need gentle guidance, I think. Yeah.
And just to hold a forum for, for a,
a place to discuss and share the information,
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Ascension works feels like a,
a way where we can have a, a seamless, uh,
sort of, um,
spectrum from completely raw community content,
organically driven by, by seekers,
and people can share anything they want.
And we try to stay completely uncensored, and then at the same time,
we can curate content based on what we feel is, is,
is more needed to be known. And that's, that's been, you know,
my goal with waking people up is, is,
is o open the discussion for anyone and everything, and then give,
give some of my pieces, my bits to, to include in that.
Yeah.
And we were speaking and you were saying how you don't wanna censor anyone,
but there's a certain level of when people are in it just to chop other people
down and to de base their ideas that at
a certain level, you know, you,
you want it to be a place of good and you want it to be a place of open free
sharing of ideas, but at a certain level you, you know,
what you're trying to do. And those people kind of have to be, uh,
certainly not sectioned off, but just, you know,
if there's people that are trying to help and someone floods the,
the market with hate, then there's gotta be a way to, to deal with that.
What do, what do you think are the,
the possibilities for moving forward and trying to elevate,
you know, non, non-biased ly elevate that, which seems to be seekers,
helping seekers as opposed to, you know, I guess haters,
haters hating?
Well,
there are terms of use on our agreement to use the site.
And so we, we did have to add one, uh,
one clause into what was essentially a template, which I, I, I,
I wrote the phrase, um,
that we don't allow excessively incendiary philosophies.
And so, so the idea is if,
if you're trying to start just a flame or fire in there,
it really is just like you're, you're not doing anyone any value. Um, so,
so we can just point people to, to that and then we can, um,
we can hide what we need to, um,
and still let people have conversation if they want to, um,
and just don't require everyone to see it. Um, and, but
I love that you call that excessively incendiary.
So incendiary totally welcome. Like that's a little
Bit is great, that's fine,
But not excessively incendiary.
Yeah, exactly.
With a reasonable amount of incendiary.
Yeah. That's really what we're wanting
Almost seems like, uh, having like a mosh pit in,
in ascension where it's like, look,
if you wanna just jump around and smash into each other and,
and keep that going, we're gonna have the mosh pit over here.
But if you want to have like constructive dialogue where you're not throwing
hate, we're gonna, we're gonna put that over here. Yeah, that's gonna be,
that's gonna be extremely difficult.
Yeah.
Maybe I should have a forum just called the mosh pit or something that people
can just have the excessively tend section.
Yeah, I
Mean, some people love mosh pits. I mean,
they love getting in and they're not trying to throw elbows and hit people in
the face, but they are,
they are trying to just like push around some of that energy.
They got stuck in them, and it does help. Yeah.
Although when people are in there trying to hurt people,
now you're getting to that point where you're like, you know, are,
are you trying to shake things loose within yourself and within the rest of the
world? Are you just trying to watch it burn?
Yeah,
Well, I think that's an egoic consciousness in fear of annihilation that is
desperately trying to defend itself against higher vibrations that would seek to
assume and braid that will into divine will.
And so this is the inner conflict that, that we all face for sure.
And I think that there's also just some degree of random energy that hasn't
found a home yet, and that's just what, what anger is. Uh,
and so, you know, anger needs an outlet to a degree,
and it has to be channeled and the direction of control or acceptance.
And if you're not accentuating it to the point where it is being channeled
properly,
it can just be this churning awkward energy that you're expressing in a, in a,
um, non-coherent manner.
And so that's why I think, you know,
people expressing themselves in an angry way can, can be helpful.
But I've also heard, you know, with gestalt therapy, I think it's called,
I, I had a friend who kept recommending to people,
you should take a baseball bat, go out into the woods and start hitting a tree.
And it's part of me is like, oh, just to hit the ground or something.
You don't have to hit a tree, but,
but the idea is that people have pent up rage,
pent up rage has to be let out somehow.
And this has helped a lot of people to just,
maybe even just screaming or shouting. It's like somebody Go,
go scream at nothing instead of screaming at the person you're angry at,
usually you can get rid of that without having to, um,
channel it in a negative way.
Yeah.
That seems to be way
It, though,
It seems to be the way that society is kind of going. Um, I'm,
I'm almost 40, and so I remember the time when, you know,
cell phones were being first brought in and some of the people that grew up only
in the cell phone era, that is their outlet.
And because they're just screaming into the void and, and, you know,
the void can answer back in the form of these anonymous other screams,
it just turns into this, uh, this, uh,
like a binary star system where they're just feeding into each other and they're
just getting more and more energized. But you know, like you said,
anger does have its place in this scream therapy or, you know,
baseball bat to the ground. They even have a,
I can't remember what they're called, but they're,
it's something like smash somethings where you just go into a junkyard and
they have stuff for you to just beat up with a baseball bat.
It's like that physical release, it, it, it is sometimes needed.
And I'm sure you're dealing with like, without naming names,
like what are,
what are some of the things that you're having to deal with with these people
doing these virtual smash, you know, rooms, but they're doing it,
but their words and, and you're sitting there as the,
the one trying to help curate and help people with ascension.
Hence Ascension works as these other people are using,
they're using that as their ascension method,
but it's not helping the other people that don't wanna use that.
Yeah. Um, yeah, certainly there's, there's a lot of big,
big areas of conflict,
like with politics and all,
all kinds of things that we were taught when we were kids,
people started disagreeing about, and, um,
people ha people are programmed to be very confident.
They know things very strongly from, from their past. They,
they feel like they've done the research, they've done the homework, and it's,
it's, it's settled in their mind. So there's, yeah,
there's just a lot of overconfidence, I think. Um, but, but it,
but that is like an attachment to being the one who knows the truth and not
having a, a window into the idea that maybe, maybe, I don't know everything,
so I'm gonna be open to hearing one more viewpoint, but, but,
but it is almost like the default of our society right now to just be bickering
back and forth endlessly along the same paths.
I wanna dive into that a little bit there,
because when we talk about things that we can know,
this goes back to what I was talking about with the investment into the illusion
and in, in sort of my lexicon. Um,
you can't know capital K know anything that is within the illusion
because it's necessarily transient and illusory.
And that which you can know is what is true and what's true is always true and
therefore exists outside of space and time. Um,
I wanted to ask Mike, as you,
and this touches on a lot of things, and it's important for a lot of reasons,
and I want to know your answer to this.
I see you reflect on and react to and express and be an encounter with us
and lots of people and see how it seems that you
view other people with a ton of love.
And so I am curious that when you,
in a more or less vacuum,
or even to in response to either catalyst or,
or even something that's relatively, uh, benign or something like that,
when you just snap to a picture of the totality that is
you,
the entire energetic system that creates the wholeness
of you, what is the inspired feeling?
So, and again,
I mean it in the context that if you were to look at Nick for example,
and you have a reflection of like, you know, how,
what feelings that inspires within you.
I want to know how you feel when you picture
yourself that way.
This is very hard to put into words, you know, the, the,
I almost would say people have to do psychedelics or have some
transcendental experiences with meditation tube to have a feeling
of of being not separate on,
on a deeper level. Um, is that where you're going?
Well, yes, and I mean the,
the sheer affection,
the sheer impressiveness and
awe that the totality of our energetic system
starting, you know,
with the monad all the way down through the soul and the energy bodies and down
into physical reality, um, yeah,
that's the part that I'm curious about.
When you see that as thing
as it pertains to you and it's your system,
most of us tend to have a,
what I would describe as sharply negative self view, first and foremost,
because we're an abject denial of our own divinity. So first and foremost,
I think of course in miracles puts it pretty plainly that we hate ourselves,
that we're insane. I mean, it's like,
it is that stark and I at first was a little bit resistant to some of the
language and of course in miracles, and then I kind of liked it too.
And I've kind of, you know, certainly adopted a little bit more and,
and try to get people to, you know, speak and,
and comprehend these things in a little bit more stark terms.
But that's what I'm getting at is just, um,
not just when you see the magic and perfection of the system that is
God, but can you see that within yourself,
you as the expression of that perfection?
Is that a reflection that you are often able to see in yourself?
Well, you're talking about, um, uh,
a you and yourself as a,
as an entity that is ultimately a, a,
a stumbling block to experiencing the, the higher view of self too. Mm-hmm.
So, so that's why I, I,
I really am focusing more on archetypes lately because of the fact that
if, if we really think that there's just like 22 people out there,
the 22 archetypes, there's 22 personalities that are, um,
people are playing with in many different forms.
But you could say that we're all just the same 22 people and we're all
just, um, exploring, you know, we can,
we can continuously kind of snap out of the idea that I have to be, um,
this separate self. And instead of just being the, the logos, the, the,
the heart of the, the deeper, the deeper mind that is,
that is temporarily having particular kinds of glimpses
into the facets of the, of the self knowing each knowing itself
In limitation. Yeah. But working perfectly. That's,
that's my whole point is that if you can look at the totality of your
experience and understand that it works absolutely perfectly
at every single level,
and we are given carte blanche to manifest and experience exactly
of our choosing.
And in that there's perfection and there is assurance
and stability and stillness and calm because it's just
perfect at every single level. And yes, to Tricia's point,
we have free will to choose an experience in
imperfection and in limitation as Rod teaches quite plainly.
And that acceptance is,
is amazing to realize that I've created the imperfection and the challenge and
all that in my life that's empowering and to know that I have perfect ability to
create challenge and to call forth catalyst and to record the
frequencies and patterns within my field that need to be there so that I can
call forth the lessons that I need to clear them later. So I mean, again,
the system works absolutely flawlessly and that's been a
new development for me. That's been a new,
more recent thing that I can look at myself in a more holistic way and say, no,
it actually is perfect at every level. And yes,
I also enjoy my experience a lot also,
and I'm feeling a lot of physical benefits I think from that as well.
But really just in awe of,
of this system that is us all obviously,
and as,
as likely or easily as I am to want to deflect that away from myself and
say things like all of us, because this is all of us,
I do feel that we have to own that wholly.
And I think this starts to get into the dual, non-dual, you know,
paradigm where to wholly accept your divinity is to accept the self as
a true and pure expression of the one infinite creator.
Yeah. Know the self, accept the self, become the creator.
It's the disciplines and it's, and it's a progressive
level of, of trusting and having the faith that that it,
it is all perfect and hap happening according to the perfect balance that we're
needing. So it, it really is a discipline and the more we can recognize the,
that there is a reason for, for this experience,
that the more we can get excited that there's a new lesson
that is there to be learned that that hadn't yet been learned.
I, I promise trust it every time. That's what I was just saying recently,
like I feel like I'm a walking experiment. It's like,
if you want to know what it's like to just walk out on the limb and just
absolutely trust that everything's just gonna unfold the way it needs to be and
to release any semblance of control or expectation on, you know,
what it should be versus what it might seek to be. And I keep telling people,
I'll let you know when it, when it fails, but, uh, or it doesn't serve me.
But that certainly has been my experience recently.
I think one of the great recent experiences in, in Mike's life, and Mike,
you just, you tell me if you want to go down this topic or not. 'cause as the,
as the main face of ascension works, you know,
I don't know how much you you wanna divulge into, uh,
your personal life, but your,
your family seemed to be such a great mirror and catalyst in your
life, and whenever you, you talk about them, the,
the joy in your face from the mirror that you're,
you're seeing in that seems to have been just like, you know,
if you were growing at a factor of 10, they,
they forced you up to like a factor of a hundred. And, you know, if you want,
I feel like this is almost should be like a two-parter where we,
we chat and we throw our ideas at you and ask our questions and then give
everybody time to find the interview and then sift through the comments
at the other things. Because it's so rare that in,
in especially something like this,
to have such access to the person who's trying to help the entire
community, you know, with without it, you know,
going into that layer where we were talking about like,
it's a cult that you gotta go find the person and you gotta sit with the person
and all that. Like, for people to be able to go about their everyday life,
but also to have this digital, um,
resource and to know who's helping that digital resource.
I think that that's rare to have such great access to that,
to that person and be able to ask 'em questions. So like,
we should definitely do a second part, get people to,
to come up with their questions.
'cause I'm sure there's a million things gonna be running through people's minds
when they hear the things that you have to talk about. But also definitely,
you know, if you want to, I,
I'm sure everybody would love to see your face light up when you talk about the
mirror of your family and the, and the joy that they've brought into your life.
Yeah, yeah. I'm always open to answering people's questions. Um,
although my time is, um,
more limited to respond to all the emails that I get, um,
it's like sometimes I don't even know if,
if the people I get emails from are actually people,
it's sometimes it seems like there's weird patterns. It's like, is this an ai,
it's just so hard to know these days. But, but, but yeah, but a forum like this,
I know people who are joining the Zoom meetings are not, are not ai. So that's,
that's a good time to ask me questions too. Um, but, but so yeah, my,
my, my my personal evolution was definitely accelerated tremendously when I,
when I met my wife and,
and I had no idea how much I didn't know about my own distortions.
'cause I'd never been in a close relationship. And it was like as not,
I was not even ready. And, and we, we, we ask ourselves often, like,
if we had known each other in our twenties, would we have been able to do it?
Would we have been able to reach these levels of connection and or we would,
we have just, just been so insecure or, um, immature. It's, it's hard to say.
It's like we each had to have our own,
our own clearing to get to the point where when we did get together,
we were, um, immediately, um,
using psilocybin and M D m A and L S D
and just bonding on a level that I'd never bonded with anyone.
And this the Blu-ray, the Blu-ray is, is what, is what starts,
starts to open so well. The, um, and this,
this was described in the case of, uh, like, uh,
Eleanor Roosevelt being the, the great teacher to President Roosevelt.
It was referenced in the law of one that she was his great teacher by opening
the Blu-ray because it's like, and our normal everyday interactions,
it's like it's business and you're not really,
you're not really having to do the deepest processing to overcome all the
blockages to fully expressing from the heart fully, openly, and transparently.
But to, to, but to find, find a partner,
which is balanced enough or at least willing to work on the balances.
It's the willingness to,
to be together and work on the lesson in a very focused manner that that leads
to the inevitable realization of every single blockage that's holding back the
communication free flowing of honest communication.
And then when you can break down all those walls,
then it becomes easier to do with everyone else too. So,
so that's why it starts with someone close to you, I think. And, uh,
and now with my son, he's just a whole other dimension of,
of mirroring that I had no idea because it's like all of my deepest distortions
from childhood I think are being shown to me, and I still have to process what,
what those mean, which are basic greed and,
um, bodily desires, even, you know,
addictions to sugar and food. All, all of it is there. And I'm,
I'm still trying to wonder what is, what is truly discipline and what is,
what is love?
How much is there the need for the tempering of just giving him what he wants to
help him feel my love so that he trusts me? And, um, so,
uh, that, that has also affected my perceptions of,
for example, how,
how much I should be working myself to assist other
individuals. Um, and,
and where do I need to draw the boundaries with sharing with others in
individuals, um, to, to keep my life balanced so that, you know,
my life was just so out of balance before I, I knew Elizabeth, I was staying up,
you know,
till four or 5:00 AM and feeling guilty that I wasn't getting more work done,
ne never having a steady sleep schedule. Um,
to a degree I've gotten back there since having a kid where's, like,
it's the only time I've work done is when he's asleep. But I think I'm still,
um,
burning through a lot of karma in that process of attachments to outcomes of
getting certain things done versus trusting that there is a perfect plan for my
day that my higher self has in mind if I'm willing to let go of the attachments
to getting a certain amount of things done.
Because ultimately there's always time to do more. There's always time.
And, um, yeah. So these are the lessons I'm, I'm still working through.
It sounds like they became a true north star in that you, you were,
you were a ship just kind of floating in the ocean and you were getting a lot of
miles under your belt, but you know,
to have that true North Star made you feel like, okay,
now I'm getting somewhere, you know, Ascension works is out there.
I'm helping the world that way. That was one of your goals. Tick, you know,
now you have, uh, your wife and your son, and now, you know, like, okay,
so now I, it's not just tick for everyone else.
Now I have to carve out a certain amount of time to curate energy and love for
myself and for my, all, all of the members of my family. And that, and,
you know, kind of like I said, a North Star,
like helping guide the ship instead of just, um,
just spending your energy anywhere and everywhere, all with, uh,
altruistic intention, but kind of just, you know, you're, you're blowing on a,
on a, a bonfire trying to put it out. You know, it's never,
it's never gonna go out. It's already too big.
So you have to figure out a way to go at it more,
more targeted. Uh, I think Ascension works is definitely doing that. I, uh,
I, I had an account for a while and I just recently started digging through,
and it seems like it, like you said,
it's a place where people aren't getting together. They're doing their,
doing their thing. They're, they're sharing their knowledge. And, you know,
when you're talking about when you were in college,
I'm just going to guess at the fact that, you know,
l lots of time in libraries, you know,
it wasn't just www.disclosure.com or Google this or Google
that, you know, you were putting in the, the legwork and the,
you know,
digging through the Dewey decimal system to find the back corner of the library
that was in the basement, because I've been to the,
those places in the libraries,
they always hide it in the back down in the corner,
and you're just sitting there and maybe one person passes all day long,
but you're, you're saying, look, world this, this knowledge is there. What,
what else do you know? What did you find that I didn't find? You know, I went,
not that book, not that book, this book.
What did you find in those first two that I didn't, you know, this,
this seems to be a, a, a journey of love that you, you,
since you've got that north star now, you've gotta focus and you know,
a little bit of time here, a little bit of time here. And does,
does it seem like it's more fulfilling than frustrating at this point
in your life?
It's, it's, it's a interesting question. I, I think, yes, definitely.
I think the layers of frustration are mostly she away.
And so, but it is still, it's still a lot of challenges,
but, but it feels like I'm floating more than I used to be. I'm not drowning.
I'm floating. Yeah, same ocean. That's nice.
Yeah. So let me ask you, Mike, um, as we, I think kind of, um,
circling towards the tail end of this,
I'm curious what metaphysical concept has been kind of
present for you in the form of an itch that you're looking to scratch?
Or what question has sort of been central for you that, um,
is still looking for an answer? Or is there something just again,
kind of presently or in this moment, just from a,
just a metaphysical just concept, you know,
just kind of the nuts and bolts or block and tackle here, um,
something that you're trying to get your arms around?
Well, I recently, uh,
started reading through the book by rom Doss called Miracle of Love
about stories, about name Lib Baba.
And there was a section of that book that hit me in a very surprising way,
which was about food and the,
the value of preparing food with love,
seeing the food as the creator, which to me is completely connected to the,
the sort of magical working of the Christian Church and
seeing Christ in the elements, the, the,
the bread and the wine. Um, and of course now I,
I extended that into all food that we can potentially be seeing Christ in
everything that we're drinking. This is, we're becoming what we're eating.
We're becoming more the infinite creator as we see the infinite creator in the
things that we're eating. This is like an, this is like,
just like an ongoing magical work that we're doing.
But one of the things that was so surprising in the book was that there was no
concern over, or, or very little concern.
There was some suggestion that simple foods are,
are easier to, to work with,
but there was no concern over the amount of sugar,
like sweets and desserts and greasy foods
was all what they're being fed a lot at the ashram. And,
but there,
but there was still a strictness around who prepared this food and was it
blessed by the guru? It's like the, the,
the food had to be blessed and it had to be seen as blessed.
And there had to be an understanding that,
that this is not polluted in some way. Um,
but I'm still working with, uh, you know,
a reorientation of the way I view the physical reality as a constant tool of
reinforcing the, the one infinite creator being manifest and becoming that.
And would you say that you think that, um,
this sort of activity in recognizing what it is that you're putting
in is physiologically, uh, rewiring,
maybe even at a d n a level, et cetera,
your physical makeup to hold a higher and higher vibration?
Yeah, but in, yeah, d n a could be seen as an interface to,
or metaphysical light body to a degree, I think, right?
So yeah, there's, there's these connections to the,
the foundations of the quantum or the, the, the,
the world beyond the physical that that is forming the physical that is we're
really working, working on
And that kind of thing.
One of the ways I, I know that you're, uh, vegan Mike, so you don't, uh,
eat butter, but, uh, and Alex and I, in our Ayurvedic training,
they taught us how to make ghee. And it,
it is absolutely amazing the variability in making
ghee. Like when, when we lived in Philadelphia,
we were cooking it on a gas stove and with the same pot we,
we called our ghee pot, and it's the same pot.
And more often than not, it was the same type butter, you know, the same brand.
And 'cause we knew it was more organic and all this and that,
but when it was Alex and I doing it, when it was Alex and I,
and we were teaching friends,
the energy in the room would literally make a process that would be 15
minutes, sometimes it would be two hours other times. And it was not burned,
you know, it,
it was like you could do the same four sticks of butter in the same pot,
on the same burner, in the same range, in the same area with one other person.
And it takes four times as long,
but it's still just the same good quality. It's like, it's, it's,
it's imbuing that into the food.
I I could totally see how what,
what they were talking about in that book could be real,
and that it's more about the energy and the preparation and,
and that than the actual, you know, obviously there's physical attributes to it,
but there is a lot more metaphysical in this world than people are willing to
put into some things that everybody wants to be so logical and left brained
that they, they,
they just kind of completely right off the whole rest of it when you could
probably influence the left brain physical with the metaphysical more than
the other way around.
I a hundred percent agree with that, and that's what I've been saying lately.
Another of my experiments is that I'm, I'm shockingly bad at, um,
maintaining the temple, if you will,
or certainly in the same regard and under the same conditions and circumstances
that most people are expected to or, you know, do that.
And I don't. And yet going back to what I said earlier,
I am still in awe of my,
of the totality and knowing of once it comes and the source
of which it is from that level of respect
and reverence for my physical incarnation has led me
into a far more healthy state of being than I've been in
my adult life. And so I'm a good example of somebody example, to Mike's point,
I was really glad to hear you say that, Mike,
that they weren't as much on what it is. I eat whatever I want, whenever I want,
as much of it or as little, frankly, my appetite is, is quite a bit lower.
You talked about fasting earlier. Um,
I used to do what's called incremental fasting.
Now I think I do what's called incidental fasting, which is basically,
I quite often, I don't eat because I don't have an appetite.
Like I don't usually eat breakfast. I usually don't eat lunch,
but if I'm hungry, then I go eat lunch. That's it.
I eat when I feel like eating and eat as much as I feel like eating. Um,
but I do no strenuous exercise or anything like that.
And yet I've lost 60 pounds since the beginning of covid,
which is basically when my spiritual path started effectively.
And that's with no diet or exercise at all.
And so I firmly believe that this is very much a,
a case of mental configuration manifesting the physical body. And,
and so everything that you said Mike about named Crowley Baba and ingesting the
foods and understanding and recognizing,
claiming the divinity of God as substance as it's being ingested,
um,
in order to incorporate that divinity and its truth into your physical being and
you're bringing energetically that which is metaphysical into the physical.
Right.
And, and I actually, I just asked Alex if she could go look on our bookshelf,
but it, some people need the,
like you were talking about your dad and the nine 11 mysteries,
was that kind of opening the doorway for him?
So it sounds like some people have to go from left brain to get to the right
brain truths where some people just kind of into it,
those right brain truths and bring it into the left brain. And the,
the book is called, nah, it's very thin. It's called the, uh,
Phoenix Protocol, and it's by an X astronaut.
And it is very, I would say having not read Ramdas's Miracle of Love,
that food section, hearing your description of it,
it sounds like the Phoenix protocol is very much the left way brain of getting
to that right way thinking,
whereas that's the right way brain of pushing into the left brain.
And he talks about, uh, 'cause he was an astronaut and, um,
you know, the, the, the process of the body and,
and how it goes through different phases as you fast, like for a day,
for two days. Um, but it's called the Phoenix Protocol. You can even look up,
he's got videos on, uh, YouTube. Um,
but I definitely wanted to get one more question before, because I know you, it,
it, we're getting towards, well, we're already 15 minutes past the hour mark,
but, um, what,
what are some of the things that you would ask the community,
people watching this, that you would want from the community?
How can the community help you progress Ascension works? You know,
whether it be getting people in contact with you to do interviews, to get,
to get things out there, or whether it be, you know, whatever. I, I,
I can't even think of the things that you could be thinking of on the backend of
this whole project.
Well, I think the most helpful thing is for people to share the,
the most dense light that they have that has
helped them. So sharing on the forums, on on Essential works,
starting forum threads about the books that they love,
the authors that they love, all, all of the,
the highest densest forms of light that are needing to be shared more.
We can just keep on working together to figure out what those packets of wisdom
and light are. And thi this is,
this is very inspirational to people to keep on sharing what is most
inspirational to them, you know? Um,
and to a degree I think there may be some benefit, um,
if people form local communities, not just, uh, online. You know,
I think everyone should be on meetup.com,
look for groups in their area and just like,
just like you guys were able to are meet able to meet with me locally.
Like people need a community locally.
I think there's a different level of growth that comes from
face-to-face communities. So, so, and I,
I don't know if Essential Works TV can ever be, um, as good as Meetup and,
and performing that service because meetup.com is a,
is a broad cross-section of all kinds of people.
And you can find groups where people are seekers, but they don't,
they haven't gotten, gotten exposed to all the weird stuff yet.
They're just interested in yoga or, or, or, uh,
simple discussions around political or religious areas. And they can,
once you meet your tribe, you can,
you can continue down the deeper paths together with a greater speed,
I think in efficiency when you have more people working with you like that.
Is there like a built-in board area on essentially works?
Because I know Meetup does it to perfection and, you know, it's,
it's easy to interface straight to that,
but is there an area where they can go where it kind of segues them into,
you know, people said, I, I went to this group and, uh, not so good,
but I went to this group and it was amazing, you know, almost like a a what,
what's that thing you, you rate things on? Well, I don't even know.
No, you, when you, when you,
when you rate like a restaurant or something like that, I, I don't do tech.
Yelp. Yelp. Thanks Debbie. We got, yeah, like, uh, do you have like a, a meetup,
Yelp on Ascension works to just help people, you know,
'cause everybody's time is pulled in so many different directions, uh,
to help people weeded through it.
Yeah, well, I, I do want to, well, I,
I've added a category for groups that is specifically for
regions. So you can add a region and I,
but I wanna do a lot more work to enhance those features and make it more like a
map. 'cause I,
I totally could do that easily maybe in the next couple months here,
make a map people can use to zoom in on their area.
Um, but, um, there is a forum section on there you can post about anything.
So that's the bulletin board right now is,
that's most convenient for talking about any specific, any,
any groups or, um, resources
Would there be, uh, and now,
now I'm totally outta my realm and you guys are gonna be able to pick up the
ball where I drop it here. But it would there be,
if somebody wanted to help you and be like, Hey,
I heard you wanted to make a map, I do coding,
would there be a language that you would prefer if someone wanted to help and,
you know, hey,
I made this look through it as opposed to you having to do it from scratch.
I've already done it with a different website I made called the New Earth
Network and I'm phasing out from that. So the code is mostly there.
I'm just kind of make, trying to make the most coherent thing. Um,
it's hard, but that's a broader question.
Would you like or would that be helpful or not? Just the net.
Yeah, it is kind of hard with another developer. I mean,
you can sort of engineer and do design,
but then you're also kind of doing troubleshooting and debugging of theirs.
And how would that look for you, Mike,
To kind of crowdsource some of the work that you want to get done?
This depends on the quality of the crowd, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. It's too big of a discussion,
but I do think that there's value in having more kinds of volunteers in,
in many areas. So that might be more, more of a,
a new section I should create for volunteer needs
Or like a,
an email that people who were interested in that could contact you and just say,
Hey, I do this, uh, you know, I'm good with graphics, uh,
not so good with coding. Where do you need help with that kind of stuff.
Yeah. This
Is, it could be your Yelp guy.
Yeah. I'll have to think about this more. There's, there's,
I there's been corralling people to be productive as volunteers
is much harder than hiring them to be productive to, so yeah,
It's,
Yeah, there's a part of me that is considering, you know,
if we should just open up to crowdfunding investment and then people can help
with just money and then we can hire people to accelerate things,
which is how basically all businesses operate these days with some seed
investment. And I just kind of was able to do this with very,
very little resources. Um, so,
and I was kind of a discipline that I wanted to see if I could do it without,
get something profitable without actually having any investors.
And I think we've, we've done pretty good at, at making something useful.
So,
Yeah. 'cause I, I see a lot of forums, especially in the, uh,
um, more of more of like the governmental truthers forums.
A lot of the things that I watch with people talking about those kind of things
where they start the platform and it just through their own just
drive and,
and information that they have just rockets itself to a plateau.
And then when it hits that plateau,
either they're kind of burning out or they need to invest their time elsewhere.
Or, you know,
there at a certain point you've gotten to the limit of the amount of knowledge
that you can put out there into the world, and you just kind of need,
whether it be information or, or help with the,
with accelerating the platform, like the, the,
you want to get past that plateau and, you know, I,
I don't wanna see you get to that point where the plateau just kinda rides out
because you,
you've been driving and you've been driving and you've been driving and pushing
it forward, and now it's gotten to this thing where it's,
it's so big that it is sounding like it is becoming what you wanted.
Like it is becoming greater than you,
it's becoming this community and it's getting not beyond the realm of
you being able to do it yourself, but it could be getting close. And how,
how would people, what would be the best way for them to,
to contact you with their skills and how they would be able to help you?
Well,
so you can send any information or suggestions to info at Ascension Works tv.
That's the email address, that's the main email address. Okay. And yeah,
so people can always reach out to us or the contact page on the website. Uh,
and we're always open.
I think we respond to pretty much every email that comes in, so Yeah. Yeah,
That's good. It's good for people to know because it, you know,
when you get to that point and, and you know, like, uh,
Debbie and Trish were talking about earlier,
it does seem like this thing is just a snowball rolling downhill
and just keep pushing it, you know what I mean?
Don't let a rocket that's way and, and the snowball splatters on a rock,
because if it keeps rolling downhill, it can be that, um, you know,
mental revolution that you're talking about. This,
this societal revolution where people just start investing their time and
energy into the things that can change the world as opposed to, you know,
just money and, and fancier cars and, and you know,
personal gains and s**t.
Yeah. And their willingness to ingest truth.
And so having a website that's this massive repository for
new kinds of truth, like you said,
a lot of seekers have not looked at any of the weird stuff, as you say,
which I really like. But, um, yeah.
And that appetite for that quote unquote weird stuff is only gonna continue to
skyrocket. And, you know,
you have a resource that's a compendium for a lot of that information.
So that's why I see that momentum only only, uh, picking up.
Yeah. Uh, so did we look through all the questions in the chat?
Was there anything we didn't cover yet?
I was kind of the best.
Um, I think we did, oh, the book mentioned by Rom Doss,
what was the name of that mic? Oh, miracle of Love. That's right. Yep.
You answered that one too. So
Did you say there was a second part of the title?
Is it Miracle of Love stories of Rom Doss?
Yeah. Stories about named Crowley
Baley Baba, yeah. Okay. Is that actually part of the title?
I think so. Might be a subtitle, but yeah,
certainly the only book by rom Doss called Miracle of Love, so just rom Doss is,
and yeah, that was like, oh boy. It's, it's,
it's such a magical book that there's something so mysterious about this
individual who is transcended space and time that you can connect with him
just from reading about him. And,
and I feel a strong connection to him that is very mysterious and hard to
explain. Like,
and I feel like he's connected to Jesus on some level.
It's the same Christ consciousness, but it's, um,
it's a very playful spin on it that he embodied. He,
he was not going to a cross,
he was staying under the radar as much as he could throughout his life,
while doing miracle after Miracle after after Miracle. Um, and, uh,
on the subject of food, another one it was, I'm still processing is that,
you know, he, he had a blanket, it's like,
it was like when he had food to distribute,
he would always ke he very often keep it under his blanket.
So it didn't matter how much food was in the basket,
that was like a separate dimension under that blanket where it didn't matter
what originally went in there, but,
but because there was the food in there and no one knows how much food is,
is actually still in there.
He can keep on distributing food endlessly and feed everyone just like Jesus
with the,
Like the fish and the wine.
Yeah. It was very
Common. And, and by keeping it under the blanket, it's almost like it,
when you talk about d n a being an antenna between the physical and the
metaphysical, he was a living embodiment of the physical, the,
the bridge between the physical and the metaphysical.
So if he kept it under the blanket, it was only his reality under there.
And if his reality was an endless ba basket of fish,
but nobody else could see it, nobody else could lend their doubt to it. Right.
It was just one person walked up and grabbed a fish and then he reached in and
grabbed another one. And before anybody knew it,
they looked behind him and 4,000 people had a fish, and his,
his lap was only this big, you know? Right. And nobody
Doubted it. Nobody doubted it.
Not one of the 4,000 people they saw person after person after person, and they,
they just assumed, well, I'm gonna get one too. And sure enough, they did.
Yeah. They, he, he, he kept his, uh,
his belief alive by suspending other people's disbelief.
And there were other people,
He was more certain than other people's uncertainty and doubt.
Yeah, yeah. And, and be, and it's interesting. There,
there were other people who did it when they were,
when he was visiting their house, and they didn't have much food to share.
They just, they knew not to look in the pot because they were devotees.
They had seen this done, they knew not to look in the pot.
They knew just to keep on serving everyone. And, and they,
it was their faith in him that he was present. That was almost like the,
it was like bypassing their lack of faith in themselves Yeah.
To that they couldn't do it, but, but they were doing it just the same.
I feel like that that is a,
a beautiful analogy and kind of wrap up to this because I feel like that's what
you're doing with ascension works, you know what I mean? Like,
you're putting it out there and,
and you have a blanket over some people's disbelief to kind of harbor
people's belief and just putting that into the world and being like,
look where we could go, this is this or not.
Look where we could go look where we are going. You know,
you walk up and you get your fish, you walk up and you get your fish.
Like you come to the community and the community will thrive.
Right? Yeah. We hope to be the,
the empty vessels by,
by which people can perceive the infinite light and love that can just be
continuously generated from the instant mo from the present moment,
just endlessly.
Yeah. Well, I, uh, my hat's off to you, Mike,
'cause you're doing a beautiful job of, of exactly that. Absolutely. Thanks.
Yep. Likewise. All right. Thanks everyone. Have a, uh,
a great rest of your weekend and I, uh,
very much look forward to the next conversation. Yep. Which is tomorrow, right?
The law. Yep. Tomorrow we'll have one discussion. Yep.
Is that the public or deep dive? Uh, public one. Nice. Nice. Yep.
All. Alright. See you guys then. Bye.