all right, so I guess we can dig into this the
this is basically like
you know after
they set Ross said they needed a lot more time to unpack this
than they waited till the next session and then in session five they begin
this.
and the question is
I would like to ask the first step. We should accomplish and becoming effective
Healers.
And then Ross as we should be going with the first of three and the three
teachings are related to mind first body second Spirit third
and the spirit is covered in session six.
So we start with the mind and they say we we begin with
the mental learned teachings necessary for contact with intelligent
Infinity.
And intelligent Infinity is discussed so much in the
material that that deserves its own separate discussion.
But this this I think we've already
discussed this event today. This is basically like the awareness of the god
Consciousness. That is the fully balanced entity
is in that state.
The prerequisite of mental work is the ability to retain Silence
of self at the steady state.
when required by the self
the Mind must be open like a door the key
is silence.
So this is
the prerequisite of the bouncing exercises
seems to be
Silence of self at a steady state
And this is obviously another points they talk about meditation
contemplation and prayer a meditation
especially is helpful for Silence of
the Mind.
And the mind must be open like a door and the key is silence.
so
any thoughts on this initially?
Not to overanalyze it but
I suppose when it says when required by
the self.
I take it as that when we're choosing to.
to perform
mental work I suppose right. Yeah, the
bouncing exercises I think is what this is referred
to as well.
Yeah, the mental work.
that would be
I guess self-healing.
Okay.
within the door
lies a hierarchical construction. You may
like it into geography and in some ways geometry. The hierarchy
is quite regular bearing in a relationships.
And I think this makes a lot of sense to say this is the fractal geometry
of the Mind.
Yeah, that definitely screams Tree of
Life to me because that's really all about those relationships
between the sephiroth. That's
also highly geometric.
And so and that's the
blueprint of Consciousness, so
Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah the archetypes.
Yeah.
And yeah, it just is a snippet for other listeners.
The the archetypes are.
Recommended to be studied at three different systems astrology the
Kabbalah.
Which is what Andrew is for referring to three of life and
then the major Arcana of the tarot was the system most explored
in the loved one.
So it makes sense to me that the architecture
can be seen in these different
ways of the geometry of the Mind.
But I but I wonder if it's like the the archetypes
also extend into every single kind
of experience in every single kind of.
pathway of the Mind outward in some way
Yeah, I think because it's it's all holographic and
and fractal.
I think that the whole is in every part.
I think it's like a baseline too, right? They're talking
when you talk about the archetypes and some of those it's her each logos
that the archetypal mine is
formed from but there can be many different forms of that Locus. Right?
So it's this regular form. That's kind of being I
guess. Let's say recycled or reuse in
that sense of this mental universe.
Hmm. Well there's logo going all the
way up to Universal.
Right that we know of for sure. The cosmic logos effectively.
Hmm.
And I guess I'm sorry somewhere archetypal energies fall
into but I
suppose that they can exist.
Multiple levels there's nothing pinning them.
So to speak at the very deepest
roots of mine. We probably retain archetypal
traits at
each of the the logoy.
level of you know refractalized
perpetuated consciousness
This might be worth finding another
quote on this.
I do think that they refer to the cosmic mind as being
beneath the archetypal mind
The archetypical mind is a part of that mind
which informs all experience.
Please recall the definition of the archetypical mind is that repository
of those refinements to the cosmic or
all mind made by this particular logos?
And peculiar only to this logos.
Listen may be seen as one of the roots of mind not
the deepest but certainly most informative in some ways.
The other root of mind to be recalled is that racial or planetary
mind, which also informs a conceptualizations of each entity to
some degree?
so the cosmic mind might be the mind that is choosing to
invest itself into
a logos for the purpose of exploring
certain archetypes or patterns of being
that was my understanding of it was almost like a step up on that
hierarchical nature where then once it's
a user saying invests itself into that logos.
They can then explore different archetypes or be
able to use previous ones that past
logo have used and or don't
benefit in or try to test out new sort of
as they calm experiments also with them.
It'll be so fun to dive into this in future
sessions.
And yelling bubbles of the Mind are fascinating targeting.
I I totally agree that the levels of the mind and it there's
so much that goes in with that but for
this
specific section we're talking about it almost seems like
they're talking about how
the different levels of the Mind are affected by
the different archetypes that each
logo sets up, you know, like they refer to
the fact that you know tools were meant
to be implemented in this experience. And we wanted to see
what tools would bring and the tongue and the mouth as
the main Communicator as opposed to telepathy and
then you bring other Minds that have gone through these
other archetypes.
That they bring that experience into the next archetype and
and see how that plays out. I believe
they also refer to refer to like the hands being
used or the thumb thumb. Yeah, thumb. Yeah
to to grasp, you know, so, you know,
imagine living without your thumb you can't do it in in
this archetype, but
if you came from another archetype where you didn't
have thumbs, but you could move things through telekinesis, you'd come
to this one to be like and this thumb sucks. I want
to be able to move stuff with my mind again. This thing is slow like
I got to pick the pencil up. I got to write it down. Yeah, and I
assume this refers to this would be like the choice
of the physical Vehicles would be like a side effect
of the
Explorations of the archetypes as they
have been set up which are I assume it's like the most
subtle aspects of the of a
desire of the logos to have particular kinds of experience.
and I don't even know if
I don't know if they say even if the earliest bodies in this
galaxy did have
humanoid bodies or if it was if it took some
experimentation to decide that our particular kind of
humanoid body is the one that is best at
helping explore these kinds of archetypes.
hmm
peculiar only goes that even that is still
a little bit peculiar to
me because logos does exist at a lot
of different levels. I see what I'm saying Nathan
about this being more prevalent at the
the logos that you know that we're
a part of but it says here that
it may be seen as it may be seen as one of
the roots of my not the deepest but certainly the most informative.
So we're getting most of our our cues
so to speak from the logos.
I presumably the Logan the solar logos or perhaps
a planetary logos. I think
mostly they refer to the
the Galaxy but that's
maybe we should dig into that another session. That's that's
kind of a there's so many references to logos that
they
that they
've implied that they're
Well, and I think that that is playing into when they say in the
original 5.2 within the
doors lies a hierarchical construction. And that's the
hierarchical construction. You know, this this
experience that we're having here versus the planetary
experience versus the logo the solar logos
and the galactic and you can play all the way up and all the way down with them.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to
get out of you did a much better job explaining it. So thank you. It works.
That's why we have these chats. Yeah
all the ideas rightful and then the punch will taste better.
Yeah, this is great.
And we've gone for a little over an hour.
So maybe we'll hold off
on session six, but I think we can work through
this.
Mind and body definitely here.
So that they they start with the body now to or
we start with the mind to begin to master the concept of
mental discipline. It is necessary to examine the self.
The polarity of your dimension must be internalized.
Where you find patients within your mind, you must
consciously find the corresponding inpatients and vice versa.
So this is this is discipline. This is the discipline.
of the balancing exercise
is to be able to find
the corresponding bias for each of the
biases
whatever it comes to this for me, it is so much
easier for me to work from
the
Again, I the perceived negative end
of it, you know.
Patience and impatience. I I would personally perceive
impatience is the negative end of it. Um, so it
always seems to me easier when you have those
moments of the negative to look
back and be like, oh man to give a
personal example my my dog he heard his leg
and whenever whenever we
leave the house and we come home. He's so excited to see us he's
trying to jump up and and I get impatient with
them because I just keep like you have to stay down. We're trying to
let your leg heal and almost immediately and
like
He's just excited to see us like
don't be impatient with them yet, but he doesn't understand the concept of healing
his leg. It just feels a little bit better and now he's going to
use it to jump around but to go
from
the the one side of it to the other side of
it for me is always easier when I have moments of
patience.
to to go back and look and be like
I almost like don't want to do that work and but here it says
that you have to find impatience where you have patience and
patience where you had impatience.
I totally agree. I was thinking the same thing about
like Equanimity, you know, if you're sitting here in this
perfectly Sublime state of being
you need to go search out a state
of stress and frustration and angst or
you know, something like that. Is that what we're saying here?
Well, this is specifically.
To kind of like Master knowing yourself, I think.
I think
I think that this is not necessarily requiring we
seek to have an experience so much as
in internally when we when we see
That our life is going a certain way. It's helpful to
imagine what it would be like if it weren't going that way.
And have that opposite experience and then in that way we don't
attract that experience karmically as much in our
outward environment because we found the balance in the inward
environment.
I think that's what they're saying.
Yes, don't they break that down a little more in one of those exercises as
well? Were you strengthen internalize that
whatever it is that negative quality without actually
acting on it or actually putting it out into
the universe. But you do it as more of a mental exercise to
balance yourself that way and to be
able to have them that more loving or appropriate response to
what you are trying to be more of the service
to self or service to others. But it's it's more of a mental exercise, I
guess right? Yeah, I'm probably getting ahead of myself
here with we could probably just finish this paragraph.
And this explains it better.
each thought that has a being
has in its turn and antithesis.
And each thought that a being has has in turn
antithesis the disciplines of
the Mind involve first of all, identifying both those things
which you approve and those things of which you
disapprove within yourself and then balancing each and every
positive and negative charge with its equal the Mind contains all
things.
Therefore you must discover this completeness within yourself.
And this to me is the heart of it is discovering the completeness within
yourself. So if I say, I'm very patient person
it gives me an opportunity to say. Oh, I'm more
patient than you are because I haven't found within myself the impatience,
which is also me.
And the patients within you, which is also you.
And the Oneness through that shared.
Although the applying this to other people they say
is the Second Step just applying it into our self is the first step.
That we have to we have to understand. How are we viewing ourselves
in a biased Way by saying this particular
positive thing about myself?
Is me and not the other half
but when you have that experience if you see
yourself as an impatient person.
In the same measure that you could see yourself as a patient person
and then you can you can come into the deeper Fuller
appreciation of yourself.
I like the completeness here how they they wrap this
up there because it does give you some context I
suppose if you're patient you may find gratitude
even for example in
In tapping into that inpatients
or understanding me into this of the patients
and feeling a grateful where you
are, but certainly obviously in that
experience you now do see the full spectrum
and that, you know, it was what leads
to completeness here is what they seem to be saying.
Yeah.
you
but not good. Oh, yeah, it's just gonna say that it seems
like so I think back to one of the initial statements that Rob makes
about them being outside of polarity and
everything, too. So would this be a way of working towards?
Balancing I guess that polarity to find the completeness
to then almost become outside of polarity. So
now you just see the Oneness and all is that
I don't know see where I'm going
with this or is that I don't know if that's a way like to ultimately kind of.
build up to that or
that's exactly what I was gonna say. I was just gonna say to
the point where you know, if you consider yourself an impatient
person
and you you look back and
you find the places where you were patient your balancing
your impatience by recognizing the patient.
True also to the point where if you think you're a patient person you could
be like, I'm the most patient person and I am just patient
all the time but recognize where you were impatient
to kind of squash yourself down to get
back to that balance point, you know, you can be hubris and
and I'm the most patient and loving person in the
world. But like oh, yeah, but you you got a
little pissed off that one time, you know, recognize the moments
of the antithesis to get to that
balance point like you're saying where they Rose above polarity because
they recognize
both sides of it in real time
This sounds a lot like the middle pillar stuff
in Kabbalah also,
which is again all about being centered between
these two.
these two extremes
And so I guess this does also make sense that
even if you happen to find yourself in a
position or having an experience that
you would consider to be positive or A Plus.
By not understanding it's it's antithesis. You
are lacking in a way
a level of completeness because you just sort of to the
same way that you are if you if you default to
a negative a negative
experience on a different Spectrum. You're you're also
losing the opportunity for balance
or to see the thing in
its entirety now, I guess moving toward the
middle.
Is that such a bad thing? Like what is what is in
between patients and impatience?
I want to read this other quote here from a session 42.
They said the question was incorrectual. Skip that but they say
the exercise of first experiencing feelings and unconsciously
discovering their antithesis within the being has
its as it's objective. Not the smooth
flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining
unsued so they're not saying we should try to have negative experiences. That's
not the point of this but rather the objective
of becoming unsued
So the more we find this completeness within
ourselves the less we're swayed by these reactions which
have a charge to them.
And we don't have to go down those Paths of being imbalanced.
Okay, that makes sense. It's more about being unsued. Yeah.
And then as Nathan said when you when you get to that unsweet
point, then you rise above polarity you
kind of see.
Both aspects of I don't know each interaction each
whatever it is, but as Ross said there there
above polarity.
Yeah.
and
was that well, I just it's almost
hard to even fathom that being outside of polarity, but it's
like it's a stepping stone to you to getting
that point to higher densities.
Yeah, but it's it's seems I mean to put in
the absolute most crude example, I
could it's practicing recognition of
both so that you it's it's instinct
to be on suede. Like if you
were practicing free throws and you step up to the free throw
line. You're you're gonna sink that bucket every time because you practice it
so much, you know, and it's almost
like practice in any discipline. They were
practicing, you know, this the ultimate discipline.
so the the
next paragraph here was
the second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within
your Consciousness. I think we've got a head of ourselves again because they're
saying
basically, once you discover in the first step discover the
The imbalance or the positive or negative charge?
and then find the opposite charge then you
have to accept this completeness within your consciousness.
And they say it is not for being a polarity
in the physical Consciousness to pick and choose among attributes.
Thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions and
they already distorted mind complex.
And we can unpack that here. They say each acceptance
Smooths part of the many distortions that
the faculty called judgment and genders.
so when they say picking and choosing among
attributes
I think this could be like if you are an impatient person you would
want to say that your patient
person.
and then if
you're saying you're a patient person you could be trying to
build a role.
Artificially that causes blockages confusions and
they already distorted mind complex, but the acceptance of
the completeness is what Smooths
the the process of judgment The Faculty
of judgment.
So I guess I guess this is just saying don't
be non-accepting of the attributes that you've assigned
yourself for your own growth and healing process.
because these are the
the already distorted mind complex distortions which
are there for a reason?
Yeah, look at that word attributes. It's just interesting to
me. So I see that as then also a little bit we were talking about earlier the
whole biases thing and characteristics because you don't
necessarily get to choose what sort of characteristics or
biases form in your mind. If anything you you need
to then analyze those further and accept them
for what they are and better understand them to be
able to I guess get to that acceptance point there,
but it's
Something that's a explore. They see you don't get to choose them
as ultimately I'm getting and is that's just kind of parts of
you your characteristics that you've been given or
chosen to come into this life with that will offer
you the most growth. I guess once you can accept those
and work through those
Right. Yeah, a simpler example than saying
patients and patients would be saying I'm taller short.
You don't really pick if you're tall or short you've already
chosen that before you're born essentially by your
parents which relates to the food you'll be eating and all that
is connected. So you don't get to
choose to be a different height you get to find
a way to accept the way that you are.
I give another example the the example I
said earlier about seeing a homeless person and choosing to
give them money or buying a meal or
something. That's a it's a real world experience. I had
where I was like, I think I was 15 and my
friend and I drove into the City and Philadelphia when I
lived in Philly and we sat down to eat it like a Checkers and
a guy rolled in and he had
one leg. He was in a wheelchair. He was clearly disheveled
and and you know, maybe not
using the money that he received for the best stuff, you know,
and so he rolled in and started asking
every table. Can I have some money and
like aggressively asking give me some money give me some money and my
initial judgment was like no, I'm not gonna give you money like
I'm not gonna do that. Like you're just gonna go spending on you know,
booze or drugs and you're gonna be reckon your life even more and you
know, all that happened in a fraction of a second
as you rolled up or a table all these thoughts read through my head and as
he rolled away,
I was I I thought like this is not this is
not the best way I could have handled this situation
and he rolled to the guys table behind us and
the guy said you want money. What do you
need money for and the guy said food and he goes, all right.
Maybe she walks up to the counter. He says order anything you want. I'll get
you anything you want and I mean that was the universe just smacking
me in the face like you. Okay, you had the thought you could have been better. This is
how you could have been better and ever since that point. I've
always offered food or
water or whatever it is because you know, it's just
a better way to be you know, and then
to further go into that point probably 10 years
down the line still living in Philadelphia and this
lady who had
just happened to meet at a bar. We were sitting and chatting
and a homeless guy came up and I said, would you like something to eat?
It was a bar. That's her food and he said
no, I just want money and I was like, I'm sorry man. Can't just give you money.
And this lady who I had just met.
Handed him money and we continue we then
went on after he left to have a conversation about it and ultimately her
point which she put it.
So eloquently was if you want to help that person.
Help that person. It's not your decision how
to help that person if they want
money and you offer food and they don't want food. They
just want money now. You're left with the choice.
Do you still just want to help that person or do you
want to help that person in the way that you think is best?
And that lady blew me away. I mean I
never saw her again after that but I took those lessons in
the life because it's just like those judgments that
you make you don't even realize the harshness
of some of the nice, you know, quote unquote nice
judgments you make until the universe comes in says well,
you know, you could be a little more lenient. You
could be a little nicer and your judgments.
Yeah.
I feel like that was kind of specifically asked about in session 42.
The question was many entities here feel great
compassion toward relieving physical problems of third density other
cells by administering to them in many ways bringing them food
if there's hunger
and as there is an African nations now bringing the medicine if
they require that this is creating a polarization or
vibration that isn't harmony with green or fourth density. However, it
is not balanced with the understanding of fifth density of these entities are
experiencing Catalyst and more balanced Administration to their
needs would be be to provide them with learning necessary to
reach the state of awareness and forth density and Ross as this is
incorrect.
That we shouldn't be helping them
because it because there are experiencing the Catalyst
that they're needing.
Process to a Mind Body Spirit complex,
which is starving. The appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may
extrapolate from this.
On the other hand. However, you are correct and your assumption that the green
array response is not as refined is that which has been imbued
with wisdom this wisdom enables The Entity to appreciate
its contributions to the planetary Consciousness by the
quality of its being
Without regard to activity or behavior which expects results
upon visible planes.
so
the quality of its being
without without expectations of responses on
the visible planes.
Yeah, I mean and that lady she just she laid
it out like gospel. I don't know whether she read the law one or
you know, what what she's taking into her life to come
up with that. But she said that she's like you can't get something expecting one
or the other thing. You just have to act upon whether
or not you feel like you want to help this person.
It's like a blend of being able to respect their Free
Will. So they already have this in their mind.
So if you don't give them money and their ultimate intention
is to say go buy drugs the next person that will hand the
money. They're still gonna do that. So you need to honor their Free Will
and the experiences in the Catalyst that they have coming
to them is going to ultimately then decide their
path from there. So if you're
in that state if you're all your goal is basically to be
of service to others. So your service at that time is either in
your in your case. They're providing the money
or
that you can't have an expectation behind what they can and
can't do with it. It's yeah from a
matter of flow. Um, I would go another step
further. I think that while Rob was very explicit about
feeding the hungry.
Which makes a lot of sense they didn't necessarily
say that helping someone that's
asking for money. Is that
giving them money is actually the help that
they need or the help that they you know,
might learn through it might mean not
getting the money and not getting that fix and
and finding an alternative that night that my allow
them to turn the corner or have
them, you know fight through withdrawals or something like that that might
also be something that they're calling into themselves.
So I guess in other words while it's not
ours to decide what help is I don't
know that the small self or the
egoic structure of the being before us
is as knowledgeable about what health is either
and sometimes the the help
that an addict might need for example is going
through withdrawals to hit rock bottom and
decide that they want to turn around so I do like that.
Passages here, but they're really clear about this is
this is food. This is basic necessity and
and a third density being
is not likely to continue its its
Soul Journey or its path a lot
farther and be able to explore its
spiritual existence. If it can't eat it
is definitely a challenging issue when they say
you may extrapolate from this. I I like to
extract light a lot but I think that the
the idea of that the quality
of its being is only you know
determined fully when when
When that that loving response is
refined with wisdom. That's that's where the planet
has not reached that stage yet. So that's why it's almost
like
It's like we have to trust our hearts because that's where the in
the condition the veiled condition where we don't have that wisdom.
I think trusting your heart is kind of the starting point.
And then if your heart is telling you like I need
to help this person by you know, withholding this
particular service but offering this other particular service, I think
that's the way to look at it and I think really as long as
you know that you're offering service that might be the the key
of it. Yeah. I think that the wisdom here is
like if you're a parent of a child with
addiction and they're asking
you for money, you may
be wise enough to not give them
that money, but obviously to continue keeping a
roof over their head or feeding them Etc. So yeah.
That makes sense.
And boiled down them to intention so you
have this intention to be of service and however, you feel
directed to then provide that service is
what's appropriate at that time. So whether that is
we're saying providing the money or withholding the money or anything, but
you're doing it out of a loving major with an intention to
be in service. That's at least the way I typically look
at these things that were if I'm on the road or driving down the
street and see the homeless there. I'm I have the intention I
want to be of service. So if I have a water bottle my car if I have
extra change or cash in the car. I want to
get service to help if I can but I don't at that time. It's I
still have that loving intention but there's nothing I I
can do at that time and that could be the capitalist that they're
asking for as well or catalysts for me at the same time, too. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's almost even the word help
is is too broad
in this case because it's all service effectively whether
you give them money and regardless of
what they choose to do with it or you don't give them money.
Whatever you do is serving as catalysts for
that person.
Regardless, I mean you're you're still, you
know acting as a teacher to them regardless.
I could give another example when when I moved out the Colorado
I was at a dispensary and when I left the dispensary
there was a guy at the exit
of the parking lot and his sign
said.
Something along the lines of donations weed
only.
and that struck me so I
I stopped and I talked to the guy and I
was like
Read only I was like, I got bottles of water in
the car. You know, would you like he's like,
no man, I I have a job and I make plenty
of money to provide for my family and I but I
don't have extra money to get that other things that I prefer and
I was like got it God it so
you don't want us to give you money because you're making money but you
would you would accept some weed because he wanted to smoke
a check. So I gave him a Jay but that's another one of those,
you know, those teaching moments where you're like,
Okay, what's going on here? Because he didn't look
you know, like he didn't look like he was living on
the streets or anything like that. So it really struck me I had pull
over and talked to do but it's another one. I'm teaching moments where you you
think you think you have a good concept on
the situation and then the situation goes no,
you didn't even know the step one.
It could be a more clear extrapolation that if the
Mind Body Spirit complexes without cannabis get
them some cannabis. Yeah.
and that that definitely is a lot easier
example than the dude who you know in Philly
was he was clearly on some harder drugs and my
my thought process at the time was you know,
I'd love to help you out but I'm not gonna help you go put
yourself into a condition where you might then go on and
damage other people and it's definitely
I see what you're saying Andrew where the wisdom
comes in and like you kind of have to I think
that also comes into where they say quietness of mind
at the at yourself demand, you
know, like you pull up to the corner and the guys
ask him for weed. And then you you quiet your mind and the universe says
give me Jay, you know, right you might not know all the
factors. But if you're able to quiet your mind and receive, you
know guys from your eye yourself
for from intelligent Infinity you you'll come
to that conclusion right away. Now I wasn't able to do that at the time my mind
was going a mile a minute. Why why just leave? Why is he sitting here?
Why do and then so I went and I asked him but maybe if
I had been able to like get that instant meditative moment, I
would have just immediately known and Jack. Yeah, we
have so much help from our guides and the areas
where we don't have wisdom. Yeah. We have an open heart.
You're in the vibration that is capable of receiving that
guidance. I think yeah.
And I've had many experiences where I was basically told there's
a homeless person around the corner before I get
to that point. Yeah, and it's like knowing that
I have the ability to help them knowing that
I need to be looking for them. I know I need to give them
help at that point and that's happened to me number times.
and it doesn't always have to be something like that like like
helping somebody financially or
getting some getting some weed or something like that. I had
a situation where I left my apartment complex
and my car was parked on the road and when
I went out to the road there was a guy sitting in a
2005 Subaru Impreza, which I
used to have and I love that car. It went to
like 220,000 miles. It was a beautiful car and I
was like, I should go tell him never sell that
car.
Now I'm not gonna bother him and then I sat in
my car and as it's warming up it my head just kept going
go talk. Don't go talk. Don't go talk to him. I walked
over to the dude and I said, hey man, never sell this car. This
is a gem and the guy started tearing up immediately turns
out it was his son's car his son had I
think it was Ms. He had died two years previously. He had
the key which clearly wasn't his
everyday set of keys. This was a special car he drove when
when he was thinking of his son and all that and on the
key chain had a thing at
the thumbprint of his son and he he started
tearing up and he was like, I'm never gonna sell it. I'm so happy. You said that
this was my sons and I drive it one. I'm thinking of him
and I got to tell my wife, you know that I met somebody
else and but it it brought this moment of joy to him
that you know, if I had just got in my
car driven away had the thought and not yet responded.
It would have been a moment past.
Yeah, yeah, maybe we could just finish
up.
These are these are great examples and I think that this is all applying a little
bit to
you know, like applying the bouncing of
our ability to be accepting of those
around us and that's kind of what they
Talk about within the next steps here.
The third discipline of the mind is repetition of
the first but with the Gaze outward towards the fellow entities
that it meets.
And each entity there exists completeness.
Thus the ability to understand each balance is necessary when
you view patients.
Or your responsible for mirroring and your mental understanding patients
impatience.
And I think they they use the patients and
patients together to say these are two sides of the same coin.
that
the you know, the slash is not rod do not say when they were transcribing this
right and say at a slash here patient slash and
patients. They just said patients and patients almost saying impatience is
a kind of patients or patients as a kind of impatients when you're looking at
it this way. That's the same. It's the same
concept together. When you be patients, you're responsible for
mirroring your mental understanding patients and patients. So you
see you see the patients or the impatience and
you see that this is a part of something that you have within yourself, which
is this concept which is I have the ability to have
these
bounced or imbalanced reactions
to things through my patients and inpatients.
and you can
You can see this in your in your in your
mind your mental understanding. That's my interpretation of this mirroring in
your mental understanding.
Um, I just add to that patience is
actually one of the things I put on my list of things that doesn't
exist in truth and and this
actually resonates here with the statement what they're
saying, is that when you
To to declare something or claim something
or someone as patient.
You are to one extent or
another sort of highlighting the antithesis because
you're saying that somebody is patient despite some
condition or circumstance in which
you would you know, normally expect them to be to
be impatient. And so to to call
out patients in a way is really spurred
on by impatience and that's
why I say the patients doesn't actually exist
and it's true is formed because if you were truly patient
there, you're not waiting for anything. It's not
about you know, I can wait as long
as it takes. It's it's about being completely whole in
the moment in which you stand and that everything
that's present is perfect. Just the way that it is.
So this makes a lot of sense to me that you are
mirroring your your sort
of mirroring the the inverse almost
in this case. So if you see patients, then you're you're mirroring
the
patients that that it takes
You know to to claim something as patient that
makes sense. Yeah, another example could
be when you view a homeless person who looks like
they're greedy you're perceiving a greediness
and what they're wanting and you you could
say I can see a generosity in them as well. I can
see Korean generosity is being something that's the
completeness within them and once you get to that place of
seeing both, I think that's easier to forgive them for what you perceive as
a full and almost person. If you see them as imbalanced
in this way, you can imagine the aspect of
themselves, which is the balanced aspect and you can see that also in
yourself and I feel like that's that that completeness
is is the is the way in which we begin
to get closer to open-hearted state.
That is capable of receiving higher wisdom through
through our guidance.
So that to go back to example,
whereas I saw the guy in this car legitimately went
through my head creepy not creepy. Like you're
gonna walk up to some random dudes car. He's gonna
who is this Creed and maybe it won't
maybe it'll take it. Well, you know and it just, you
know, they harp on patients and patience, but it
goes, you know, what are the two sides of the coin and I legitimately in
my mind was like that's a pretty creepy move that
just randomly and the universe said now it's not
Try it out.
And they mirrored this concept here. When you you impatients as necessary
for mental configuration of understanding could be impatience patients.
And we use this as a simple example.
Most configurations of mine have many facets and understanding of
either self polarities or what you would call
other self-polarities.
Canon must be understood as subtle work.
So it's never going to be a clear cut?
Situation with a homeless person. It's going to be a very
subtle process of discerning and I
guess probably trying to be as honest as you can about what you're actually seeing
and allowing that to be
processed and understood on a deeper level
goes back to when Andrew was saying to use the wisdom in the
situation.
And the next step is the acceptance of the other cell polarities, which mirrors the
Second Step. So I kind of saying talking about that also once you once
you perceive this
Seeming Judgment of the other self. He then he
then have to find that balance to find that completeness and
find the acceptance and that acceptance is the
process of opening your heart more and more I think.
You know.
And this also to me is about the disciplines of
the personality know yourself accept yourself become
the Creator we can just we can cover that more in a
different.
session here, but I think the
knowing the self is what they say is the hardest part, which is
this process of finding the
antithesis of each of the
imbalanced biases that have
the positive or negative charges
and then eventually becoming unsued through the acceptance of
the completeness.
When we're talking about positive negative charges that's
going to ask this earlier. So this is kind of broad applying to all of
this would
we
Would we presume that this is as
measured by?
An emotional response or the emotional guidance system
or in an intellectualized?
manner to decide that which thing is
positive or negative or
I think this goes right back to the unstudied spontaneous and honest
response.
of entities towards experiences
Which I think would be an emotional reaction.
Okay, and that I like because I
trust the emotional.
Guidance system when it's used properly. So it makes sense
that this isn't an exercise of thinking our way
through these things but rather understanding the
feelings that arose in them and that when a
feeling is present,
There's perhaps polarity implicit.
Yeah.
and any feeling other than love I think
well, I don't know if I said that right that
there have been discussions in love one
around emotional imbalance. Also that
suggests that to the fully balanced
entity. There is no emotional charge
other than a reaction of love.
I might be able to find that one.
that almost sounds like a hierarchy of
your response, you know, if you're constantly coming from
love then your emotions will come from love your actions will
then be of love, you know, so it's it's
that step upwards to you know,
The unstudied spontaneous response
if you're 50/50 love and
fear, then 50/50 your emotions can go from love
or fear. And then you know 50/50 your response
will be one or the other and then
if you analyze the 50 good responses, you
know good responses and the 50 not good
responses. Then you start to get a more complete understanding of
well, if I hadn't had this which led
to this which was rooted in this, you
know, that seems like that's what that mental work is all about.
So session 42 interesting we keep coming back to this.
session
Don had brought up an example if a bull in
a pen attacks you because you have wandered into his pen.
You get out of his way rapidly, but you do not blame him.
or you do not have much of an emotional response other than
the fear response that he might damage you. However
if you encounter another self in his territory and he attacks you response
may be more of an emotional nature creating.
physical bodily responses
Am I correct in assuming that when you're response to
the animal and to the other self seeing both as the Creator and loving
both and understanding their action?
And attacking you is the action of their free. Will then you have
balance yourself correctly in this area. Is this correct?
And Ross says this is basically correct. However, the balance entity
will see in the seeming attack of another self the causes
of this action which are in most cases of more
complex nature than the cause of attack of the second
density Bowl as you as was your example.
Thus the balanced entity would be open to many
more opportunities for service to a third density other
self.
And Don asked what a perfectly balanced entity
feeling emotional response when being attacked by the other self and Russ's is
this correct the responses love.
hmm
I think I skipped over the part I was looking for.
Might have been the previous session where they say that.
well, I'll read this we read this early here the
The objective of becoming unsued is the
is the is the end product and they said further
the Catalyst of experience Works in order for the learn teachings of
this density to occur.
However, if there is seen in the being a response, even
if it is simply observed.
The Entity is still using the Catalyst for learn teaching
the end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus the
density is no longer needed. This is not indifference our objectivity,
but it finally tune compassion and love which sees all
things has love.
The seeing illicits no response due to catalytic reactions.
Thus entity is now able to become co-creator of experiential currencies.
This is the truer balance.
And this is why I think they say the third discipline of personalities becoming
the Creator first know yourself to accept yourself. And
now the catalysts of knowing accepting yourself
is no longer there. Now the entity is able to become co-creator
of experiential occurrences.
This is the truer balances becoming the Creator and that's what love
is doing. Love is this Creative Energy that's creating
the entire galaxy and credit creating the
universe through free will to have this experience.
I went off into any directions there maybe.
That's such a thing. I mean, that's that's Ron and
that's
It's all one and so it's all connected. Yeah.
I think that goes back to the the one
we were talking about with session for -20
realize that realizes deep
within itself. The love one. There's no disarmony. No imperfection.
All is complete and whole
And and it's you know.
It's easy to say it's easy to think but then you go out into
the world in the world throws just you know, such intricate
catalysts at
you. It's it's not so easy to act upon in in
every situation.
Yeah.
but then if you if you could
because like you said like the extrapolate
from here and I like to extrapolate so you have you have
one of those.
those moments where you
the the situation is so complex when
it's thrown at you in real time. And then you make your reaction if
you go back and you over not over analyze it
but you go back and you analyze it you can find where you know,
it was the way it was
supposed to be and you can act from love. Maybe you
didn't that time. Hopefully you will next time.
But if you could embody that everything is
perfect. Everything is whole I think that the
day-to-day situations would more
easily you'd respond towards love if
you could just just truly embody that and you're
being at your core. Yeah. I feel like this is also
kind of the
the reason why the
the Book of Genesis started out with this analogy of
the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
as being this wandering away from the Tree of Life or
this separation rooted in the sense
of good and evil as being this this thing that we
have to be processing the world in terms of
Because once you once you get rid of this judgment or
the need for judgment through the seeing
of the completeness that you
never truly can have.
one positive charge without the negative charge
Um in this world of polarity that
these are part of the same identity, then you
can then you can fully find that love and forgiveness on a
more automatic level.
Agree with that the not the
tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. I think
symbolically is the
the choice or the decision
as much tied to self-worth probably
is anything as to how much of the light
is present or to accept and so
judgment is always a function of
of perception based on how much
of the light is being perceived in any one
thing. And so what we're talking about here is the realization that
everything is only one thing.
Yeah.
and also says
Good God. I was just I like the quote is reminding me
of the quote for the best way to be of service and that's the radiating
the love of the Creator as it's known to the cell. So it's where you're
at on that journey is basically what you'll be
able to radiate and how far along it come will determine
where you're at at that time and I just
keep going back to that one all the time. It's one of the most important quotes that
that come up with at least.
Yeah, that's service.
And that the thing that I always that has helped
me in my life eventually was the section
where he says.
Something along the lines of your Universe was created to
have evil, you know, otherwise, it's like playing poker and
knowing that all the hands you knowing the Dealer's hand.
It's just too easy. There's no consequence, you know,
and that Genesis story could be about that. We lived in the Garden of Eden
and everything was perfect. And you know, it was
easy to be patient. It was easy to be loving because you didn't even know evil existed,
you know, everything you could do the right path
every time because there you there was no wrong pass
path and then we learned and through
that learning it produces more catalysts.
And when Ross says it's like playing a
game of poker and and knowing all the hands.
That quote pops into my head all the time because I'm
like, all right, you know just that was a challenging situation.
But you know, it was a it was a moment to learn.
It was a moment to grow it helps difficult situations.
Maybe not be easier in the
physical but definitely easier for you to process mentally
because you can think of it as a
as a help towards your your greater growth as
opposed to just
You know stubbing your tone being mad about it.
Like okay, I can exude I can exude patience here now, or I
could just get mad about it.
Yeah, I would love to go over the Pokemon algae in
another session two and one Nathan mentioned about the most useful
way of being of service.
And I feel like we probably should wrap up pretty soon here.
And you do want to look those two up like
and we'll write them down. Yeah, I
think we can.
Well, we can we can handle that in the next meeting. We can
go over those just make a note. I mean if we if
you look well you have a recording. Yeah, I was gonna
say so we don't forget them down but you recording. Yeah, it's recording.
Yeah.
yeah, I think we can finish up with the Mind area here
and then
do the body next time too and well, maybe we can also dig into the
different kinds of bodies. We can get really deep into that subject and figure
out what was
What is the implications of a discussion of the body really when we're
talking about time space bodies as well as SpaceTime bodies metaphysical
bodies?
but the they say the
fourth step
was the acceptance of other self polarities and the fifth
step relating to the Mind involves.
Observing the geographical and geometrical relationships and ratios
of the Mind the other mind the mass
mind and the infinite mind and so here we're definitely talking
about the tree of mind.
And this is interesting interesting that
this is seen as a separate step.
That you'd work on in your meditations.
I guess when you're
able to fully accept those around you then you
begin to see the relationships.
relating to the relationships
of everything going on in the mind.
And the other mind and the mass mind and the infinite mind.
And it's interesting to me. This could delve into areas. Like you know,
how do we heal political divides? How
do we heal religious divides?
Although very few interculture, maybe are finding the pathways to to
heal those divides but these relationships between the
different polarities that are existing in the deeper aspects of
the mind or something. I think inevitably we we
have to heal as a planet.
I think that's why the first step is for the mind to know itself.
Because you you have to have a
firm rooted idea of yourself before you can.
Really go out there and apply it to the rest
of the world. That's that's you know, part of the Great Divide
and Conquer strategy if
the people are constantly fighting with each other
than the greater problems will never get
addressed because they're constantly in this myopic you of
You know their own problems and their own
existence, whereas if they had the the time and
the energy to dive into it, it might
you know see their neighbor as just another another person
going through some stuff and if we if we banded
together, we could solve the streets problems and
then at the streets in the community banded together, and it could
just grow and grow and grow but it all starts with the one individual.
Yeah.
Yeah, and obviously that the archetypes
are part of this discussion too. And I feel
like if we could all try to see other people
as purified embodiments of archetypes. It's
probably easier to forgive them as well.
Yeah.
agreed
and it's interesting that.
So go ahead Mike. I was gonna say the archetypes are you
know that a lot of these images are like royalty. It's like
It's like the purified concept is seen
as like, you know, the closer to
God or the closer to Divine or
closer to something worthy
of reverence. And I think that process of becoming more
reverent in our manner of being is also probably
related to this.
archetypal seeking
And seeing it, you know, each person is the
person that they are because you're born
and and when we're born we're all.
More or less the same. You know what I mean? Like we're an
entity we have a gender, but other than
that you move forward and then you start
to split, you know, you you have your experiences which
turn you into this person but more or less.
You're just a baby, you know, and then you
start the pile on all these things and then
the world sees you as the the
baby grown up with all these things piled on
and what they're kind of saying is no no just just
look at that as another person, you know take the archetype instead
of you know, Nick from Denver
for you know, like take all that stuff away and connect
with each person's core.
And that would be like the archetypical concepts. Yeah.
Though just a paragraph or
two below there. It does say that by the way, you said we're born
as our gender, but it actually says specifically
that we're the opposite.
Yeah, exactly. And that that's that it's
kind of why I made that point like you're born as a
baby and the very first thing that you could someone could
assign you to differentiate you from other
babies is gender and they specifically say right
there each male is female and each female is
male. So that's like kind of saying don't don't
start laying those labels on people right out of
the gate, you know, just take the archetypical person.
recognize the all in each
Yeah, and the difference between male and female are
specifically archetypal in these images and we
all have each archetype and and yet we
all have male and female aspects when we call upon the different. For
example, the unconscious binders the conscious mind
and the the nature of wisdom with
use the body versus the nature of balance with you. So the
body is seen his male and female.
In the body cards, but that's definitely
another discussion for another time too. I think.
I think that would be interesting to break down more or something
talk about it in the previous set of densities. That was like
the male female was created at that stage. Was
it at that octave before we came into this one? So obviously
a permeates down into all our archetypes. So
right I think that could be an interesting one to explore a little more because
obviously there's a lot of relaxing better
word history almost to those types of polarities there.
Yeah. Yeah. They're there. It
might be hard for me to look up right now, but there are definitely like two different references
to the
Harvest of the previous Universe into this universe which
dealt with the nature of these archetypes.
Alright, this was a really great conversation. I think that was
a little over two hours now and
probably worth wrapping up and you guys want to add anything
about this where we close?
No, it's definitely always good to get
together and
Talk about the loved one. So certainly appreciate you
pulling us together today Mike. Hey, thank you Mike. Yeah.
Appreciate it. This is awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just absolutely love the chance to get people talk
to people who have clearly studied the material and you
know, it's great to it's great to compare to our lives to
and get a little bit more of a perspectives.
that way
yeah, because it's all words on a page until you can bring in
some real life experience, you know, yeah.
knowledge becoming understanding
And it's nice to be able to share when you were able to
take that wisdom that was just words on a page
and transfer it into your life because you know,
you're not as unique
as you think other people are having the experiences you're having
it.
I think that's the biggest thing. We realize with a lot of these meetups and groups
is it's once you share your experience. Someone almost instantly can
can relate to that and have the other understanding and that's
unsuit. You could possibly help someone throw something by saying.
Yeah. This was what I experienced but here's how I
got through it or here's the way I interpreted it and you
know, it gets them a
better basis to go off of ideas
So that will be the change, you know, if you if you
have a lot of time to sit and contemplate and you can go through
a catalyst to use the raw materials terms if
you go through a catalyst and and help somebody get through that same
Catalyst, you know, that's you're being the change you're exuding
the change.
Exactly. Yeah.
All right. Thanks again.
I guess that's
you next time. Yeah.