So I think we were skipping around a little bit and might as
well reread these second two paragraphs
here.
The body is a creature of the mind's creation.
It's it has its biases.
The biological bias must be first completely understood and then the
opposite bias allowed to find full expression and understanding.
Again, the process of acceptance of the body as a balanced and
wet as well as polarized individual May
then be accomplished.
It is then the task to extend this understanding to the bodies of
the other selves whom you will meet the simplest example of this is
the understanding that each biological male is female each biological
female is male.
This is a simple example. However in almost every case where in
your attempting the understanding of the body of self or other self,
you will again find that the most subtle discernment
is necessary in order to fully grasp. The polarity
complex is involved.
Once a polarity complex.
I assume that would be
the
concept complex that includes both ends of
the spectrum of the polarity.
Oh, I see. It's in totality. I
was thinking does it does it involve another another
Spectrum? I've been
thinking about that and relationship to
the emotional.
woman seeing that as a as a
a Continuum going one way and then
also realizing that your relationship to
emotions is almost a perpendicular.
But that makes sense the polarity complexes. Just
meaning both ends of the spectrum.
so I assume the
cars are an interesting extension of the body and the
examples of being on the road are
very applicable to you know, we have to understand the biases
of those cars on the road could be getting you
in trouble. If you're not very very aware of the fact
that they could be going too fast or too slow. That's a
very simple example too. I think.
We are why do you suppose the simplest example
of this? So what their example is?
To extend this understanding to the
bodies of the other cells.
And the simplest example of extending
this understanding to bodies of other selves.
Is the understanding that each biological male?
Is female so okay. So what what they're
saying is that we can very simply
and easily start to claim more balance
here by the simple understanding
of when I see a biological male
that there is a spiritual female
present here is sort
of what this is saying now didn't they didn't talk
about this exact same male as female.
Is this the only place in the raw material
that they do because I remember this concept but I didn't remember
if it only came up here or if it
came up somewhere else.
I think there's an interesting one here in 31.7.
Talking about magnetic attraction and they said
we use the term to indicate.
That in your bisexual Natures there is that
which is of polarity the polarity may
be seen to be variable according to the shall. We
say male-female polarization of each entity.
Be each entity biologically male
or female.
I wonder if they're saying certain men are more more feminine in
certain.
Women are more masculine too when they say.
It's variable.
Yeah, you know it's kind of interesting.
this whole relationship so finding balance between the
the male and female or the masculine
and and feminine has been present here
for me for a lot of a little over the
last year the first person to mention it to me was my
Reiki healer a little
over a year ago and she recommended that I research Yin
energy or my Yin energy
and she sort of phrased it
a little bit nebulously and I just went
okay and I went and got a book and
now understanding the divine feminine in
terms of this all possible potentiality
and all of that makes a little
bit more sense, but
Understanding that we have a pendulum going
on here. And so if we find ourselves over
activated on one of the ends of the spectrum
and and this is again something that Liz
and I were diving into driving back down from
Denver. But if you are overactivated
on the Divine masculine, meaning you
are predisposed to
this constant choosing this
constant activation this constant positively identifying
a thing and you know
choosing that well, then that and very
easily lead to frustration because you're you're
in a heightened overstated sense
of control and needing to to dictate
what's going to happen and the converse
is true as well. And that's something where you know
lizard I think you know, for example trying
to figure out does this reflect more on her fifth chakra
and her voice or
fundamentally at this hierarchical level and
whether she's you know, doing great job of holding space or
understanding possibility and
potential they're doing very little to to actively
choose in her own life
and therefore, you know, moving, you know, progressing things down.
So we were talking about where people can be
On that spectrum and what we are pre-wired to
perhaps spiritually and then what we may over
compensate toward here in you know,
physical manifestation and ultimately though finding
that balance is really key
when it comes to the feminine and masculine because
you have to have possibility and potential and
you also have to have
some sort of a of an activating principle involved
to choose them. So that's a
wonderful place to find balance. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah.
So let's dive into the archetypal aspect
here and we can see
What may be beyond that aspect and
in a previous thing we
were just looking at was about the Sexual Energy. I think
maybe the
You know the buildup of sexual energy can relate to some of the expression too
of the archetypal energy. But
in the session 92 here,
they they Don asked.
The Matrix of the mind which is the
The archetype of Consciousness is depicted seemingly as
male on the card and the potentiator which is
the archetype of the unconscious mind. The potentiator of
mind is depicted as female.
Could raw State why this is and how this affects these two
archetypes.
Ross's firstly as we have said the Matrix of the mind is attracted to
the biological male and the potentiator of
the mind to the biological female.
And so I think by this they're saying that the there's a
natural archetypal energy around male
and female that
more to make sure the mind is attracted to
male more potential potentiator of the mind is
attracted to female.
Thusly and energy transfer the female
is able to potentiate that which may be within the
conscious mind of the male so that it may feel in
Spirited.
So that refers to actually sexual energy
transfer and I think at one point they say that this can also be like a
social exchange doesn't have to be
Orgasm thing I think it can be an exchange that
happens more naturally in the context of conversation. That's does
that ring a bell to you guys.
Maybe feel like it does. I feel
like the the specific
mentioning of it not necessarily having to be
sexual Rings about because I remember thinking at
the time reading I can't remember what what
session it was, but I remember thinking
You know, this is why groups that are balanced.
Have better outcomes because they have the ability to see things
from all of the different angles, whether it be overly instead
of being overly male-dominated or Everly
female dominated.
Does that does that jive
for you guys to feel that?
Could can you feel that the economy
do you feel that that does that resonate as a mode
of your expression that biologically you
are compensating for spiritually. What
is
you know, it's opposite. I mean does that
resonate for you guys that that's one of the ways that
we're finding this balance is that we are
predisposed one way and then choose biologically the
other way so that we can have this experience.
I think so.
Yeah about that. I've had more past lives female than
than male you take these.
good, but the
I've never gone to anybody to have like past live
readings or anything like that. It's just been kind of a more
intuitive thing. But I think
I've said the this example on one of the other thoughts one of
the non-recorded talks, but one of the coolest things I've ever
heard was a a person went
to the past life aggressionist and said
Like I don't know what's going on. I just like I'm allergic
to everything. I walk outside and everything agitates
me and you know, I don't know what's going on
and they they regressed them and they didn't pass like regression and
they found out that
well, they didn't prompt they didn't prompt the
regressionist. I I must say that it came
up after the regressionist had done the regression and the
person said that you know,
you you are someone that is predisposed
to being inside and you're predisposition
being inside is to force you into
an environment where you're going to encounter people because in
the past like you used to
isolate and seclude yourself in gardens, apparently
this person lived in it in a very
They had lots of money or their family
had lots of money and they could Escape into the gardens into
the estate's gardens and they would just be there out
in nature and and not interact with people
and then the person said, you know, that's funny because I'm
allergic to everything when I go outside and they
just had like a little chuckle because you know,
yeah, okay that experience is very beneficial to
the spirit to the soul. You know, we're all
one and we're all feed nor experiences up so that so that
the the one can have all of the experiences from
all of the different lenses. It would
make sense that if you had that experience the one
would go that was fun.
But now let's have the opposite now, you're allergic
to everything outside go inside and see what that produces.
Go try and understand time of
the pre-incarnational choices their rights. You're trying to set
up this incarnational experience to get that opposite
then be able to bring that back to the Creator as having
The Full Experience. So yeah, Andrew
to answer your question, I do I do think that resonates for those reasons,
too. What makes it
But then what Mike pulls up here is
sort of a controverts that.
A little bit Ross seems to confirm what
Don is asking here in although I
I like the the wording in here, by the
way rather than them saying that the biological male
is attracted to the Matrix of
the mind. This is actually the opposite and
I really like that because the the archetypical
mind is not something that we pull off of
the rack and put on in and go,
you know wearing into life. It is
fundamentally us and it's seeking realization.
It's seeking manifestation
right in reality. And
so I really like that it's saying this aspect of Consciousness is
attracted to you know to the
biological male experience though. I still am
kind of at is this not is this
not sort of controvert a little bit of what the previous passage was
and in saying that the Opposites are
both present generally
Well, I think that we are
experiencing the opposite when we're experiencing a person
who is the opposite gender. So I think there's naturally
an opportunity for the the
dipping in into the potentiator by the
male principle. The male principle is is well. I
maybe should read this next paragraph here in a
more General sense that which reaches maybe seen as a male principle that which
awaits the reaching may be seen as a female principle. So I
think that's the deepest.
Um simplest level where we can see obviously each of
us has that
both sides of that reaching and
awaiting reaching component.
And they say the richness of the male and female system of polarity is
interesting. We would not come in further but suggest consideration by the student.
So I guess they they don't want to overly shade the way that we are dealing
with these Concepts.
but this does seem to still be somewhat in opposition
to the previous passage that says more specifically that
um, but what did it say? It didn't say spiritually.
One chooses the
other was hold up here.
The 31 was this. Yeah.
You know and
before that they got us even into this.
Well, we originally talking about there it
is. Oh wait, um
One we were
saying they said the original
one was yeah, the session six. Yeah. Yeah that one this one
where it says the entertaining that each biological male is
female.
and each biological female is male, so
Why do I why do I have that understanding if
these other passages are more affirming that?
you know, the Divine masculine is in fact
predisposed to
biological maleness and and the
same goes for
the female whereas the seems to be opposite.
I think that this is saying that the simplest example
is understanding that each biological male The Matrix
of the mind. Oh and understanding.
Yeah, I see I understand that's
the key. You know, I see.
Yeah. No, I totally get it. It's okay. Yeah,
we both said that I mean she
Eater of the mind. Yeah.
Did you clarify your your realization? Yeah
to realize it to comprehend each
it to comprehend to the female
in this of each male to know that
each each body represents both
ends of the spectrum. No matter
what is sort of what they're saying. So
understanding that is
what will claim.
Another body in its, you
know in its balanced form I suppose.
Yeah, and I think that in a roundabout way raw is
saying In this passage and this
one was previous to the other one, right? This one is earlier than
92.
This is in the 60s.
This is five session five. Yeah special. But
yeah, so like real early on this is this is
Ross saying, you know,
you have both the The Matrix and the potentiator
of mind.
But he hasn't explained all that yet. So he's basically
just being like, you know, it's take
it from the example of somebody. Who knows.
that the the male represents the Matrix of
the mind and the female represents the potentiator of the mind he's
saying that
without saying that right here, you know, he's making Don
ask his
way to the Matrix the
potentiator and the significator he has
to ask his way into that that line of
questioning so that he he is
inviting that knowledge in and raw already
knows that knowledge. So Ross saying, you know,
oh well, you know
You you're both male and female and then you know,
who knows if if Don had asked the questions differently,
they might have gotten to the Matrix potentiator and
significator and session six, but you know it
that's the journey.
Yeah.
Yeah, I took a long time to start getting into the archetypal information.
But this is really helpful though. This is this actually
does.
Jai very well with with the previous passages
on the on the mind
in in balancing each of
the thoughts. And so in this case effectively, it's
the same thing if we consider biological maleness as
a thought and it occupies, you
know, it has this investment that we
put into it what it means to be a male. Well
that in and of itself is has a as
a narrowing or a a limiting
claim and therefore a the
effect of limitation on
On a thing because we've invested it with with
meaning and particularly extreme
meaning because it represents one side
of a spectrum and it's not until we can see
the the antithesis of that
as also being true that we've now divested
that additional meaning that
we put into what it means to be a biological,
you know male so I mean in
other words, it's always a conversation what are perception is
when I perceive a biological male
if I ascribe all of the male aspects to
that physical entity, then
I'm reinforcing that that
imbalance in that
in that body in that other self because he
said that that person also is in balance and I'm
reinforcing that as opposed to if I bring the
balance in then I'm I'm now introducing a
more balanced claim on that.
physical manifestation in in perception which
again goes back to that dialogue that's in
In that's happening. So when I see it, if
I see it in Balance, then I'm now also introducing the
possibility of balance to that physical.
Being finding the completeness seems to
be the theme Here.
Yeah.
I think that also ties in with the concept that
Rod talks about a lot that on an unmanifested self, which
is what then also provides the Catalyst to you to then
have you think I guess under the opposite terms
there to someone create that balance. Right? So from the
masculum of the feminine, you're overly masculine unmanifested
self would presents you with some sort
of catalyst whether that's making you cry or some sort of
thing generally concerned with the feminine to make you start thinking along those
lines a little differently.
I'm just thinking about that when you're talking about your realization
there Andrew that
seems like that idea comes up a lot, too.
Yeah, that's a good point that the higher self is always calling forth the
Catalyst that the soul requires for its journey
and if we're predisposed.
Archetypically One Direction or the other
then? Yeah to your point. I think that's exactly what the higher self
is going to do is bring catalysts that will help us realize.
The balance realize the the truth in
the middle.
I also found a very interesting that.
Nick brought up the idea of the left side of the body being more
feminine the right side being more masculine because it
also corresponds to this idea of the that which
reaches being the male
principle that which awaits reaching the female principle and
that's kind of the energy flow that they talk about the left
side being the receiving side
the right side being the the
I guess what you would call the
the outward positive like sending of energy.
And then it's crazy how it uh Chris
crosses and then becomes the different hemispheres of the brain.
Yeah, whereas left becomes a Serial processor on the
right becomes the the more free thinking side.
Yeah, that's this analog versus digital. We were getting into
that a little bit over the weekend too. I think and that was
that was pretty interesting as well. Seeing, you know,
just two different perspective shapes, you
know, just in different ways.
So we could move on now, I guess.
But I do feel like this is a subject where like
books could be written on. You know, what Nick
was describing and this is like an endless.
Discovery process of what what are these
different biases of the body? And I mean, that's really all
of Health knowledge is kind of falling under this category.
Of how do you find the balance in your body again through understanding
all these subtle?
Processes the subtle discernment the most subtle discernment is necessary.
In order to fully grasp the polarity complexes involved.
Well, it says right above that or the top of the
paragraph right above that. The body is a creature of
the mind's creation which means to understand biases within
the body to me have to lead
to the discovery of biases in the mind.
And so for example, if you
find that the body is representing the
extreme of a polarity for
example obesity and over
eating then understanding the
thought processes that
That lead to the type of that type of
behavior would probably be crucial right
like you can't like without context you
can't just look at well. I don't
know. Maybe you can but it seems that if you're looking at
extremities in the body and polarities
that would you
identify those and have those lead you
into therefore the thoughts that have led to them or
would you go find the balancing thought and
balance it in the absence of of the
predisposition or the absence of whatever that
I don't know if I said that if that makes sense, could you
discover this without discovering the
false belief and correct it
by simply finding the balance, you know
the the other bias.
Or would you have to discover the the false
limiting belief in the middle of it? You think?
I think that there's multiple ways to get to the healing.
But ultimately when you do the healing
either through the body or through the mind
it's polar opposite will fix
itself, you know, like somebody that for
example, if we're gonna use the overeating example some
of that overeats, you know, they may overeat because
it's their life
is out of control that you know, what's the
point of needing to trying blah blah blah yada and
then this this mental atmosphere turns into
well I can control what I eat. I
feel Joy in eating and therefore they eat overeat because
that doesn't feel like that
mental uncertainty but then I've known
many people that were overweight and then they they
were like, you know what I I just decided one day
that I didn't want to be like this anymore. I saw everyone
outside running around and I couldn't do that
anymore because of my weight and then they started getting control of
their weight and in the process of getting control of their
weight, they
Had this better mental atmosphere. They didn't they weren't
this mostly depressed. The world is
what it is type person. They felt like they could do. So
whether you whether you fix the mental first, then
the body comes after or whether you fix the body first, the mind
will come after it's it's you know that I
I love that line where they say that the body is
a creation. The body is a creator
of the mind's creation.
Is a creature of the mind's creation like the
body is of the mind or the or vice
versa, you know, you can destroy your
body through a crappy mental out Outlook
or if you have no
care for your body and you go skydiving without a
parachute and survive. You're gonna have a crappy mental
Outlook afterwards, you know you because you destroyed the body and then you
go you're destroying the Mind through it.
Hmm. Yeah, I think that's important distinction
there what you're saying that you can do that physically or
mentally you can destroy your body that way
and that's it makes a lot of sense through physical eating
or through physical actions you can do.
That and yeah that really seems to ring true with what what Rob
was saying.
And I also think it's a helpful to bring in
a quote like this where they talk about the relationship between the catalyst.
Of Mind and Body they say catalyst is offered to The
Entity. If it is not used by the mine complex. It will
then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some
form of physical Distortion more efficient use
of catalysts the less physical Distortion to be found.
Interesting. Yeah.
and that I think is a perfect example of
what I was talking about when I forgave my friend, it's
it was offered to me to forgive that
person and I didn't and what happened, you know
in the most
extreme sense, who knows I could have been growing a cancerous tumor because I
was holding on all that in the in the less extreme sense.
You know, I wasn't I wasn't living the life
that I wanted to live. I wasn't doing these things that I wanted to do because instead
of putting the mental work in
and then reaping the benefits on
the other side I was
I was not using it as a catalyst and therefore it
filtered into the body and by it filtered in
the body. I mean it just filtered into my physical reality.
Yeah.
Yeah, makes sense. I love how they they
put it to they say it's offered Catalyst has
offered and it's like no you're getting it
one way. But yeah thing here catalyst is
foisted upon the entity and
you can either process it mentally or let
it come through to the physical
body complex.
Yeah, and then it's almost like if you if you
take the opportunity.
To use the Catalyst offered to the mind
you take that opportunity and you address it right there in
the mind. It doesn't play into the body. But if
it plays into the body then all of the other catalysts down
the line become that much more difficult as you distort your
physical being through means of
not addressing the mental body that
needs to be you know,
the mental lesson that needs to be learned that it
just plays into the body and then you just get this pile on
effect. Oh man. Well, I think it was Alan Watson
was like you could sweep everything under the carpet, but then the pylon but
the carpet just gets bigger and bigger.
That's the point. I was gonna bring up there next to what you
said is like if you don't use it around talks about another point
in there that you're gonna keep continuing to get hit with that Catalyst
until you actually do truly understand
it and utilize it for for the lesson. That's trying to teach you.
So yeah, yeah for sleeping around the world.
That's the perfect example there here it's not
I mean an extreme example of of the the
simple traffic example that
we keep coming back to if you never learn forgiveness
and your road rage builds
and builds and builds and builds, you know, their stories
of people get getting shot on the on the
road because you know, or it take it outside of
the US where they don't have guns, you know, somebody is is
so enraged when they drive because they
haven't learned to forgive that they wind up
in an accident because they're driving too fast. They're no doing whatever
but that that, you know, you can get cut off a
million times and not forgive a million times and hold on
to those million acts until the million and first when
it turns into what an accident because you were like screw you
I'm going first then you smash in the somebody. I
mean that's
You know it extreme example of the the simple
getting cut
off in traffic example that we've used but I mean it's happened.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting to me. How how often the
Getting in very traumatic accidents can
give people so much time to meditate on
a hospital bed.
Hey, yeah.
People just get us like to take a break from life
after they have these kinds of experiences.
Yeah, I mean, it's almost like you didn't
learn the mental lesson you were supposed to learn because you're
too caught up in the physical world and then life goes
well now you don't have the physical world.
Now you have to play in the mind. Yeah.
Yeah, the other key example they bring up there is the death of
death of someone in your family or some entity close
to you that typically that's trying to show you
something but we always do the opposite where we
then start to disassociate further from reality and
we're not taking that lesson so your life just
continues to get worse when you're not actually learning that lesson so I
forgot which session that was and I might be around 60s like
really earlier, but I thought that
was interesting.
I got covid by the way, that's how that's why
I got covid was I needed a week.
And I mean in a really big way my life may
have unfolded in in a
different way and that I would have probably just wasted a
lot of time frankly. So yeah, I
think that we can manifest things physically, even for
the opportunity of like just getting a pause and
a timeout because that's that's literally exactly what
I needed and right when I needed it to was I
needed a week long time out to to allow
some things to gel and to
allow some context to kind of seep into
you know, these events that were unfolding at the time
and had I not had that week, you know,
things would have kept moving in a different direction. So I'm very
very thankful. And that's the only thing I've gotten really
to be sick with
in at least 12 years. I think we've talked
about this a few times before but I don't remember the last
time that I got a cold or a flu. It's been at least 12 years.
But I just don't get you know sort of
viral or you know, those kind of.
Illnesses, so this came out of blue and was
exactly what I needed when I needed it.
It's funny bring that up because that's actually the second example they give so
is 34.6 and 34.7 and the
0.7 was on the contagious diseases side of it, but they'll
have no effect as Catalyst if it's not needed where you
know vice versa. So in your
case, there was clearly it was needed. So it had that effect on your body
that yeah, which is which is very interesting because
otherwise and I mean like I have people that work
for me that like, they're out, you know constantly every
single year. They're out, you know throughout the fall and
winter. They're out, you know, four or five six times most of
them get something every single year
if not multiple times.
The question here was do contagious diseases play a
part in the process respect the unmanifested self.
So-called contagious diseases are those entities
of second density which offer an opportunity for this type of
catalyst?
This catalyst is unneeded.
Then the second is creatures as you would call them do not have an effect
in each of these generalizations. You may please note that there
are anomalies so that we cannot speak to every
circumstance but only to the general run or way of things as you experience them.
So I guess most diseases won't affect us
if we're not needing that catalyst.
interesting
So I thought one other thing that we could switch over to now what we started
talking about briefly in the other.
Conversation about when they talk about the physical body or they
talking about the the etheric
bodies at all, and I still don't know if if we decided
on any answer to that.
But we could cover briefly what they
what they said about these etheric bodies.
And maybe there's some linkage here to understanding the
relationship between the Mind work and the physical work.
through these bodies
So the question was in our esoteric literature numerous
bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body
the etheric the emotional the astral and a mental. Can you
tell me if this listing is the proper number and can you
tell me the uses and purposes and effects Etc each of these or any
other bodies that may be in our Mind Body Spirit complex?
And Ross has to answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions
such as this one.
For the interrelationships of the various bodies in
each body's affects in very situations is an enormous study.
However, we shall Begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true
colors and the usage of this understanding and our
grasping the various densities of your octave. So they're referring to
the the colors of the chakra system.
We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm and
structure and experience. Therefore. It would only be expected that
there would be seven basic bodies which would be
which perhaps be the most.
We would perhaps be most Lucid by stating as red
ray body Etc. However, we are aware that you wish
to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays the
bodies. He mentioned were like Esther astral bodies and other bodies.
This will be confusing for various teachers have offered
to eat their teach learning understanding in various terms. Thus one
may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different
name.
The red ray body is your chemical body.
However, it is not the body which
you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material
of the body the elemental body
without form.
This basic unformed material body is important to understand
for there are healings which may be carried out by the
simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle, and
I imagine why simple example that would be like you're not getting enough water.
You just need to drink some more water.
And even go to another level
and say like he's talking about the understanding
of the elements present in the
physical body.
Yeah, I hope this isn't jumping ahead too much. But like
if you
Love and anger positive and negative,
you know, the only difference between two chemicals
sometimes is whether there's an extra
electron or not, you know, whether you're holding a
negative charger or positive charge whether you're manifesting more of
this into your physical being or you're manifesting that
into your physical being could be as simple
as what is your mental atmosphere. You know, what what
charge are you putting on the things that are within your
Physical Realm?
Yeah, the simplest nature of the chemicals are
electrical in their nature too. Yeah.
The orange Ray body is the physical body complex. So
I guess we're not just talking about metaphysical Bodies In this passage. We're talking about all the
bodies.
The orange Ray body is the physical body complex.
This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but
rather the body formed without self-awareness the
body and the womb before the spirit
mind complex enters.
This body may live without the inhabitation of
the Mind and Spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.
So I assume this is also related to what animals.
are more in tune with is the
the physical body complex. That is not yet self-aware.
and
the spirit the mind and spirit complexes. I
assume they say
the animals have mine complexes but don't have Spirit complexes formed yet,
but they have the spirit complexes and potentiation. Meaning of
in the future is a potential of what they're they're growing
into.
So the nature of the spirit complex is also maybe
too big of a discussion to go into right now.
But yeah, this is just very fascinating to me that they would see
this is a separate concept the physical bodies of separate concept.
When it has the spirit versus when it doesn't
have the spirit inhabiting.
very good
the yellow Ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this
time and in which you experience Catalyst this body
has the mind-body spirit characteristics and is
equal to the physical illusion as you have called it.
Equal to the physical illusion as you have called
it.
So the difference between the orange and yellow to your
point is whether or not this the spirit mind
complex is present. Yeah.
Okay.
inhabiting
equal to the physical illusion
This body has the mind-body superior characteristics
and is equal to the physical illusion.
I kind of see it as it's like the lens it's like
It's like the Avatar. It's it's the
it's what we have stepped into if we're gonna
go watch a movie and we step into the lens of the camera where
we're becoming what that
camera can take in.
Through the light that's coming and hitting it so
our maybe our physical Vehicles also
filtering the reality and
giving us the illusion of some sense
of a reality through this limited form.
He's also seem like they're very they're very
closely lining up with the densities where the
first density was the elemental the second density was, you
know, like about the spear complex, right? They're dead
is is you know, we're supposed
to be in third density moving the fourth density which essentially is
A fourth density being that hasn't recognized its
fullest potential yet.
Like we have the potential we have the mind the body
and the spirit, but we're not quite using
it all correctly and that would be what fourth density
is or not. Not correctly. I shouldn't say correctly. We're not
using them to the fullest of their potential.
Yeah, and the body may live without the
inhabitation of the mind and Superior complexes. I don't
want to like
You know get all off completely into conjecture
and yet still it does kind of beg the question right
then if you go into a coma or you know,
whatever the circumstance is where the spirit
and mind are no longer.
present
well
It's seldom does it?
But it does do it and why
why does the body live without a
Mind and Spirit present and
what subtle energy bodies are present keeping
that orange Ray body.
You know manifest and and have the other
have the other subtle energy bodies, you know
also left if the Mind and Spirit are no
longer present are those subtle energy bodies gone as
well and then do you end up with?
Just an orange Ray body with two
causal energy bodies. I suppose just the first and
second and
and why would it do that?
Well, I think that Carla was a perfect example of that when
she was receiving.
Raw into her body Her Mind and Spirit went away.
So that rosemind Spirit could enter
into her body, you know, so if you're doing a channeling that's
a time when your body continues, but your mind at Spirit go away. That's
a good point.
When you're meditating to some degree, you know, if you fully go
into the meditation.
Yeah, I think it EMT is a good example
when you when you fully.
You know go into that other Realm.
It's nice to know that your body's gonna be there when you come back.
Yeah with the silver cord that Mike just pulled
up here.
Yeah, there's what you might call the silver cord reflex. That
is when the Mind Body Spirit complex dwells without the
environments of the physical shell.
And a physical shell is Disturbed the physical shell will
reflexively call back the absent and livenar.
That is the Mind Body Spirit complex, which is connected with what
may be metaphysically seen as what some of
your philosophers have called the silver chord.
If this is done suddenly the Mind Body Spirit complex will attempt
to entry into the energy web of the physical vehicle without
due care.
Is a situation that Carla had had to work through.
And the effect is as if
one were to stretch one of your elastic bands and let it shrink rapidly.
The resulting snap would strike hard at the anchored position of the elastic band.
So there's definitely
a physics metaphysics to this
this process of
Connecting these it is interesting and what what's happening?
Metaphysically though is what it's saying. Is that the physical shall
the orange Ray body is the thing that does says
reflexively call back the absent
enlivener, so
while they describe it as a silver cord as a
sort of less than conscious aspect of
our Consciousness, you know attaching it together what they're
really saying here though. Is that the physical body somehow knows
for its own Survival? It can't quite exist
without
The enlivener and therefore it will call
it back which is interesting because how
is it aware of the enlivener? That's
kind of an it's an interesting question. How
was an orange Ray physical body aware
of the enlivener and know that it
can or should call it back.
I think that we are.
if
if we have
if we're in third density and time is
linear to us now. Then we have lived
second death. We've experienced second density. We've
experienced first density. And then now we're
in fourth third slash fourth density if you
if you
separate
your
your first density portion of your being from
your second third and fourth. You
kind of you know, you have a
And innate feeling of already done.
This been here. Bring that thing back. This isn't
what we're supposed to be doing right now.
I see I kind of makes sense that you're
like yeah, but been here done this feels a little weird. Yeah.
Yeah, we're we're going backwards instead
of forwards. It's interesting. They said they preface
this was saying we can only answer mechanically as there is no philosophy to
the reflexes of the physical vehicular function. So it
must just be this built-in.
component of the Incarnation
or maybe instead of it being your body
calling your mind Spirit back. Your
mind spirit is saying no. No, you're not
supposed to be in this realm yet. Go back and experience the
Physical Realm.
true
um, yeah as just reading the question there too
that is asking about the movement of the microphone cord, and
that's why
not mechanically or chemically but philosophically if
you can yeah, and they said
well, there is no
Philosophy here. It just is what it is. This is
yeah, just the mechanics. Yeah.
so we could try to move on here to the other bodies and
see if we can clean anything that makes sense to
us. I know I've struggled with these before.
So moving beyond what we currently experience the
green the green ray body. Is that body or
it's just say moving belong beyond the physical illusion that we're currently
experiencing.
The Greenery body is that body which may be seen in sounds when
you what you call ectoplasm as furnished and
I don't have experience with that. Maybe don Elkins did that's why
they they reference Sounds here.
Of this is a lighter body packed with more dense more densely
with life.
You may call this the Astro body following some
other teachings others have called this the same body
the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense
that the etheric body. Is that body of Gateway or
an intelligent energy is able to mold the Mind Body
Spirit complex. So they would talk about the etheric body
further down as being the Indigo Ray body.
But the green ray body is the
Astro body. So I assume people who are astrally traveling are
experiencing.
the astral body
and I've had that you know briefly and a few
experiences of that and I know for instance some friends of mine have
definitely experienced that much more than me the out-of-body experience
and for me, it's like an experience which is
vastly more full of a sense
of peace and a
it doesn't really seem to have the heaviness to it. It's a very lightness when
you're in that state.
but then again, I don't really know for sure that I would call that the
if that is the same thing as what they're talking about, but
but what if I guess they say when they say following some other teachings then
maybe at least we can infer that
some teachings on the Astro body would relate to the astral
plane and would relate to actual experiences. People are having in
this third density illusion.
Going slightly beyond the third density into the fourth density
in the astral body I suppose.
Others have called this the theory body so
he's he's saying that you know.
Doesn't matter how you call it. As long as you get that that sense of
it is it is you're beingness
without necessarily your physical beingness.
Yeah.
It's a it's interesting.
So in the the
mystery School tradition
it is referred to as a theorically what the first
one that's right outside the physical because that's
the one that actually performing surgery on
when we when we slice that
open and these codons.
pop out
What do you mean by is a certain ritual you're
doing to do the surgery? Yeah, this the King Solomon
life activation uses a
crystal on the end of the wand to
to make an incision below
the occipital bone where
the bump is in the back of the skull down,
you know about 10 or
11 inches 12 inches or so might be
a foot. It's pretty close. Maybe a little less on a
foot actually. Yeah. I think it's maybe closer to eight or ten
inches.
Anyway, you slice that open and that's the and they
certainly refer to it as the etheric body is
what we're opening there. And then these
12 codons pop out.
And that's what's getting activated.
interesting
Yeah.
And moving on the light blue the light body.
Or Blu-ray body maybe called the devotionic body.
I don't know if I can pronouncing that right?
There are many other names for this body, especially in
your so-called Indian sutras or writings.
For there are those among your peoples which have explored these
regions and understand the various types of devotionic bodies. There
are many many types of bodies in each density.
much like your own
What is devicanic that sounds familiar?
Yeah, I had to Google it when I first encountered it.
Well, let me do that now.
See what they say Google.
It brings up a devican.
assume that in a bit
get past the advertisement.
Nope, won't let me okay.
Devican comes from Sanskrit words
Deva gods and the Tibetan word chan.
can possessing having subject to
Well, it's the you understand that Nick. Yeah.
Yeah, so so it's um, it's the
it's the area where God dwells, you know.
I don't want to say within your physical body. But
within your
Within Your Mind Body Spirit complex. It's it because
if you go back to Raw he said
The astral or the etheric some people
call it the astral some people call the etheric and then he went
on to say but this is not correct because the etheric is the area where in intelligent
Infinity can come in. I think that's where he's this
is the etheric the devican the
area where God the intelligent Infinity can
enter into the physical body. See this to
see the last line. However, this is not correct in the sense that the theory
And says the theory body is that
body a Gateway wearing intelligent energy is able to mold
the Mind Body spear complex. So the Gateway
the devotionic body, you know, this is
an area where you're you're self
is open to the in-streamings of
God in in streamings of intelligence Infinity
I could imagine it's possible. That's what they're talking about
with some of these references but here I guess
raw is trying to draw a distinction also between
the Blu-ray body called the devotionic body
in the indigoy body called the etheric body. So they still
have their separation between these two types.
of the Blu-ray versus Indigo Ray
And I assume this is like so far beyond most everyone to
have these experiences to
understand the differences if it's even.
sensible to
to call this the devican.
Can you scroll down just a little bit about me? Yes line there.
Yeah, so the theosophy describes devican as
regarded as a place where most souls go after death.
Or desires are gratified.
What's interesting is it sounds like they're describing the third
body, but I agree with what you were saying Mike from
before it seems like it is a step below the theoric body,
I guess but from what we're reading here. I mean, that's what
they say is that we go to our Theory body after we we die.
So it is kind of funny that there is some
correlations between the two it seems
Yes, I have a mental plane.
Yeah, I don't know if this is really diving into the same script at all
here. They're they're talking about CW leadbeater. It
doesn't seem like he's a sanskritz scholar.
I assume.
Is a theosophy teacher. So yeah, maybe
we could I could research this more and you touch on
the dive into my notes because I vaguely remember during
the during the
the course that I took I vaguely remember
writing.
Devotionic body so I'm gonna have to dive into my notes and and see
what they said. Do you remember anything and talking about
the devotionic body?
and
it sounds so familiar. I know because are
the sutras more broad than
the the commas sutras. I mean, that's the only
one that I've heard of but I assume that the sutras is something much more
Broad.
Yeah, there's are. Yeah, the
sutures are like, um
They're late. It's it's like
almost like a guideline type thing. Whereas the commissary is
a guideline in a
very specific area of life. Okay.
I wasn't paying to paint jelly that had been resubscribed
to the sutures there. He dictated on
back in the day, but
it was yeah, I think it was different though.
The yoga sisters. Yes at the
Sanskrit searches. Yeah, it's it's like that like a
set of like a set of guidelines on this. I
I think the easiest way to picture would
be like
um
Like in hermeticism, they have the law
of mentalism the law of Correspondence the
law, you know or not law but you know vibration and
all that. It's it's like that. It's like um,
Carry On A Thing.
Yeah, and it's it's same thing that
are there.
Inspiring thought in a different direction One In One
Direction or another? Yeah.
and the karma sutras are you know,
very
specific portion of it
Okay.
Comma Karma yeah.
So Wikipedia does give us Clues here about the
different.
Vedas through the brahmanas and
the aranyakas
and so this is a huge area of research that
I haven't gone down yet.
Well, we got to say I'm ready.
Wow concern with the meaning of ritual sacrifice.
I didn't see how you got onto the
aranyakas. I got onto this by looking up Sutra
on on Wikipedia and
they said the oldest teachers of Hinduism are found on the Ramana and aranyaka layers
of the betas.
Okay. Well, it sounds if it is related to sacrifice that
would sound.
Again, kind of like what a Sutra is sort of here's a
way of being in the world.
I think I could just finish up reading this passage and we can close it
out for this session. Okay?
the Indigo Ray body
when it fascinating here, they're saying there's many many types of
bodies in each density which would mean there's many many types of
manifestations of a devotionic body, I
guess.
The Indigo Ray body which we choose to call the etheric
body is as we have said the Gateway body.
And this body form is substance.
And this body form is substance. I don't know if I should read
it with the comma or not in this body
form is substance.
And you may only see this body as that of light as it
may mold itself as it desires.
that seems a little bit contradictory to say
that in this body form is substance and
then to go on to say
of this body
see this body as that of light. You may only see
this body. Is that of light?
substance and Light
and why I'm
seeing those is different maybe substance doesn't necessarily mean.
Well, I mean you could say that light is the core of
manifestation and materialization too. Great. Yeah, so
this is probably like the purest.
substance
as yeah.
Go back there for one second. Yeah.
I what if we read it like this in this in this
Oh my God, I just had the thought in this condition.
Body is thought.
Like physical is thought.
meaning that they are pure thought
that can manifest in any
physical
desire any way to be desired
so they are at the point of
the point of pure mentalism before
Manifested therefore they they are just
light and can be manifested into whichever way.
I think it's confusing because it says in this
body form is substance like in
this state.
Physical is mental.
Or physical comes from mental. I
don't know just playing that's what came to my mind.
It does seem to to straddle the
line between physicality and and mentalism.
I agree. Yeah, that seems to be the point of
it as as your it's being molded by
desire. Yeah, I think
that they said in this body form is
substance for continuity almost, you know, Indigo body
like body the
orange body the red body, you know, they kept going
with body. So to keep explaining it further they
have to say in this body.
but we have too much of a connection with body being, you
know, this this thing that we're in whereas they're
just meaning like in this state, you know
of being
the physical is the mental.
Oh, they go into it more here. They say one suggestion
that maybe indicated is this.
The integrate body may be used by the Healer. Once the
Healer becomes able to place his consciousness.
in this etheric state
and that's also really activate then the spirit complex portion
too, which we save that conversation for later, but
that was heavily tied to what from what I remember
to that Indigo rate body in order to enable you to become
that healer.
Yeah.
And then the final body they talked about is the Violet Ray body, which
may be perhaps understood is what you may call the Buddha body or that
body, which is complete.
Each of these bodies has an effect Upon Your Mind Body Spirit complex
and your life beingness in a relationships as we
have said are many and complex.
and then they say perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this and maybe
this related to the original question which was
if there's any other bodies.
This is the proper number of bodies.
And they say one suggestion may be indicated. Is this the
Indigo Ray body may be used by the Healer. Once the Healer becomes able
to place its Consciousness in this etheric state.
the violent Ray body or
buddhic body is of equal efficacy to
the Healer for within it lies a sense of
wholeness, which is extremely close to Unity with all
that there is
these bodies are part of each entity and the proper
use of them and understanding of them is though far Advanced
from the standpoint of third density Harvest nevertheless useful
to the adept.
So we're just barely getting our
fingers dipped into this kind of
understanding I think is beginners on this journey.
Yeah, I think it's funny. They bring that up between the Indigo
Ray and pilot right one because reading those I cannot
begin to decipher the difference
between those two there. It sounds like you're kind of describing the
same thing when they say you can do your healing in both
of those bodies.
It's yeah, it's very different to differentiate
but that is interesting that they rob mentions
that in the final quote here saying that that's
kind of
far beyond our third density understanding
it almost sounds like the Violet Ray the
Buddha body is is the all
The Indigo Ray is like one step below
the law. I would I would suggest like the Buddha
body. You know, the Buddha body is the universal
mind and then the Indigo Ray body
etheric body would be like the sun,
you know, so the universal and then
being the Logan the low guy and then
the sun being the sub low guy the Indigo Ray
and then it just plays further down into the
densities.
yeah, just I keep getting this thought as we're reading this that like
we're experiencing the Physical Realm and linear
time. But all of it exists at the same
time and your higher selves are all there
and they're in their different manifestations looking back
at the physical self saying get it.
Get it. You're almost there. Get it get it.
Once you've realized that you're manifesting all of this with your
mind. You will then have that moment where you connect with
the rest of us that are sitting here in timelessness watching you
struggle through time, like like both ends
are trying to come together and they're meeting at
us right now, which is holding holding.
Our own ability to just receive it all
to understand it all.
Yeah, this fractalized nature of of Consciousness
has certainly
brought itself to the four here recently because you
can just simultaneously see the upwelling
of Consciousness in its individuated
state at a universal level and so an
infinite ways of the of the infinitely granular.
Consciousness that can only ever
rise like gravity. I mean it literally just doesn't know
anything else. It's more under almost, you
know, it's almost like electromagnetic forces, but obviously
not but it's it's just fundamental to its Essence
and its nature and then you have at the macro level
at the Oneness level at the channeling level
at the raw level at Social memory complex level and
all of that you have Consciousness operating in
its closer to closer archetype performs
not individuated but in complete
and wholeness and this is happening
at the same time. This is the Kundalini. This is the Inner Light,
you know coming down at the at the same time as
that light within us is seeking to
to rise that's been
setting in
lately for me and it's been pretty accessible and
and I find balance in that and understanding that
these two things are happening at the same time. It's it's
farming. It's Consciousness farming itself,
and and I
really like that process.
Yeah, like the example of the flower and the bee, you know,
without the without the bee pollinating the
flower. There is no flower and without the flower giving
the bee the food and energy to exist. There
is no be
Saying that they're almost one organism. Yeah, exactly.
And that's what they're one
organism that sort of feeding off a itself and
and doing so because the fundamentally the
force of life is consciousness.
and it's it's
unwavering decision to
to reunite with its source.
Like the Manifest being awesome. The
physical world is no different than the unmanifest and
the the whole point of this is for us to realize that
and then we would have full and total control over
what manifests because we know that there is no separation
between the unmanifest the mental and the
Manifest the physical.
Yeah, it's kind of like physics and metaphysics being you
know, that line between the two is a you
know, just shifting 300 years ago, you know,
the court of physics was much smaller
and metaphysics was pretty much everything and now that
ratio is sliding but it's really just relative to
our own understanding of it. But
in reality, it's always just a ratio of What's Understood and
what's not understood but again relative to
our understanding it's it's all one thing.
It's a loved one.
Literally, yeah.
yeah, it's very fascinating to think that the
You know the technologies that we have hints of
having existed.
12,000 years ago in Atlantean times when they're working
with apparently with crystals and they had they were they
were building things with consciousness.
and in a way that you know, it's completely foreign
to our science, which is
still based in the building blocks of
machinery and like electricity is
giving us a hint into something deeper about
the nature of manifestation through technology, but it's
almost like we've closed off the
The Sciences which are able to bridge those
those gaps between electricity and Consciousness
that we could have been using I think
a long time ago to heal ourselves into Power our
cities more effectively, but yeah
these understandings of
The hidden aspects of our reality are like an
infinite.
thing that we have to
we get to explore for aons. Yeah, we get that.
That's the that's like the the cuz
I believe that we have certain aspects
of our society have known a lot of these things for a long
time. It's just they haven't let them out because then they lose control
over society and
it is about those seeking to reunify with
the one and to regain all of the knowledge
so that we can be back in that place of unification and
then for the for the whole polarity thing like the other
people are
trying to keep it the way it is to keep
it separated to to keep enjoying the physical
for all of its, you know, lavish things
that it has to offer but
some some people are just like, okay. I'm trying to
keep progressing here to to Unity to to the you
know, the one
it started as the one it fractalized out
to have all the experiences and then ultimately it comes back how quickly
it comes back depends on how many people choose the
polarity of
Let's continue to learn that we are all one and
and start pushing the physical being
that us the you know, our animals all
these things. We can't all come back into Unity until
we decide that we're going to and then make
our way that way.
Yeah, which I'm glad that 90% of life is
predisposed to.
Service to others so it's kind of nice. It
would be a lot more. Well, I
don't know that we could evolve as a as a universe
or Multiverse if if those fundamental
if the math wasn't there, you
know, if it was if it was far more common to be in service
to sell then it seems like you would
just see a spiral just the whole universe itself would
just only descend into greater and
greater Darkness.
But we are wired in service to
others because it's it's in our
nature I think.
Yep, that's a different discussion too that they they talked
about in the material with.
the challenges of the the negative polarities and
Finding enough Harmony to actually grow and evolve.
But eventually they do I guess they do because they
have to it's the only way at some point you have
to make it happen. It's just a
more difficult
route seems like though without anything else
to to compare it to if you don't have an
experience of doing both then.
I guess you may not know that there's another way. Yeah.
so this is
a pretty awesome discussion about the I think
we wrapped up session five here. And next time we can talk about session
six.