Hi, and welcome to another edition of Mystery School.
I'm your host, Jacob Cox.
And our topic tonight is Awakening.
Uh, I have a very special guest, a great friend
of mine, John Thunderheart.
I'm very grateful for him to be here.
John's an incredible guy, an incredible musician, um,
someone I really look up to,
and someone I really wanted to do
a mystery school with for a long time.
So, finally, get the chance
to do it here, and I'm glad you're here.
John. You wanna introduce yourself a little bit more? Yeah.
Well, thank you for having me. Uh, yeah.
I'm, I'm John Thunderheart.
Um, a lot of people ask me where I got that name from,
you know, am I Native American?
All, all these different, uh, questions about it.
And, um, the Thunderheart came, um, at three separate times.
Uh, I was leading a meditation one night, and
after the meditation, a person came up
and kept saying, I don't know why
I wanna call you Thunder Heart.
Mm. Three months later, I was doing another one different
group of people, and a gentleman came up afterwards
and said, um, I wanna call you Thunder Heart.
And, you know, in my mind, I was just shrugging it off.
Yeah, okay. You know? Right.
Uh, then I was at a sweat lodge up in British Columbia,
and it was also a naming lodge
and, um, the, the native peoples who were, you know,
trying to get us in that state to
either make a name for yourself that resonates
or to be given a name.
Mm-Hmm. And if, if you couldn't think of one that resonated,
they would look at you and would give you a
name within the sweat lodge.
Right. And I'm sitting there trying to literally think
of one, and I've had these two experiences already about
people calling me Thunderheart.
Yeah. And I was just kind of pushing it aside,
and then literally a spirit appeared for me, you know,
native person, uh,
or third Nation, if you want
to call it, whatever the, you know what I mean?
Mm-Hmm. What, what do they call 'em again?
First Nations First nation. First
Nations people or Nation.
Um, yeah. Um, spirit literally came, told me,
said, what is wrong with you?
You are Thunder Heart. That is the name you are to go by.
Mm-Hmm. And I then adopted that name with
what I do, and my first clients
actually drove in from reservation in New Mexico, um,
said they were told to come to me
from their guidance Mm-Hmm.
And I never even advertised. Right.
And they drove out and, you know, want to come.
I told 'em, I said, I am not Native American. Yeah.
Uh, I didn't choose that name. The name was given to me.
And, you know, so, you know, a lot
of people call me a shaman.
I don't claim to be a shaman.
I do shamanic work, but I am not a shaman. Right.
Not in this lifetime. In other lifetimes I was Mm-Hmm.
I do believe in reincarnation.
I do believe in, uh, that,
and I think that is also
what can lead into our topic tonight. Yeah.
Awakening. Right. Yeah. That's a good one.
Um, I think probably one of the best things to do is really
define it as hard as that sounds.
I, but I feel like that's, that's where we need to start, is
what does it mean when we say awakening?
What does it mean to be awake? What does it mean to a, awake
And e Exactly. And
I had already pulled it up, you know,
the different definitions, you know,
the simple one is arousing from sleep.
Mm. You know,
but there's also, you know, sometimes we,
we feel like we're walking in a dream.
Oh, that, But you know, it's, a lot
of times it doesn't feel like a reality.
But when something triggers us
to see things differently right.
From the way you always have, that's actually an awakening.
Hmm. You're awakening another aspect
of your consciousness at that point.
Things shift sometimes when we have a conversation
with somebody, and it becomes an aha moment to them.
Right. Mm-Hmm. The way you are is now different.
You awaken to a new mental
or spiritual reality in that moment.
And that's a type of an awakening.
And it, and it's a progression. Mm-Hmm.
You know, all experiences we have
creates an awakening Mm-Hmm.
And it isn't just like, poof all of a sudden,
but it can be Yes.
When, when the dynamics are right.
Yeah. And I, I like the word awakening,
and I feel like kind of the technical part that
that gets me going on it is that you do have this,
this inner eye, this third eye, the single eye, um,
you know, your pineal gland, whatever you're gonna call it.
Mm-Hmm. And that,
that gland is really calcified from the fluoride.
And, you know, probably lots of sugars
and, uh, inhibitors, you know, that could be anything that's
chemicals in the food and our air
and our water and all that stuff.
And so we become really calcified.
I do think that's probably could be even the mark, the mark
of the beast, where if you're a third eye shut out, anybody
who is a, you know, a person who is really awake
and could see auras, you can see things,
would probably be able to tell Right.
Right away in your forehead area, that
that light is out in you, that it's gone out.
And it tends to be a process where as you're a young kid,
seems to be, you're pretty awake.
You know? Um, Christ says, if you wanna enter the kingdom
of heaven to be like little kids, and they're very present
and they're very here and now,
and then about the age 13 is when the pineal gland goes out,
it really becomes calcified.
And what happens then? We start to wear dark clothes.
We start to rebel. We have a hard time
with life, typically, sometimes.
And kind of is that your inner, uh,
world now has become the,
out the outer world becomes inner world.
So you start to dress a certain way and change.
And then there's this process, I think, for most people,
around 40 years old,
after you wandered around for 40 years,
you start to wake up again.
Right. Um, and you start to,
and I think a lot of us are, you know,
people being born now really awake,
and people are waking up much earlier.
But I believe it's that process of that decalcify,
that pineal gland, that it's your, their eye.
'cause it has, you know, rods and cones in it.
That's why you can close your eyes
and think of a red firetruck,
and you can see that red firetruck in your mind's eye.
And so, as we are able to waken that up
and make it more, you know, juicy
and, you know, kinda squeezy that thing out,
sometimes it allows that eye to open up
and to see into reality
and situations, circumstances and events that Yeah.
That we're kind of blinded to before.
We're, like you said, walking around to sleep
and we don't know what's going on. Yeah.
And, but, but you're talking about
that around the age of 13.
What is that around the age of, that's the,
around the age of puberty.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Right.
And, but, you know, puberty, back in the ancient times
was when you became basically a man
and a woman, you were able to procreate.
Right. The lifespans were much shorter. Mm-Hmm.
Now, in order to separate from your
family, you had to rebel.
Okay. So sometimes the shutting down
of the pine pineal gland, at that point, that consciousness
where you're connected to everything, is so
that you can separate and, and,
and start your life separated from the family, you know?
Right. Yeah. Where you're relying on them. Mm.
And then it starts to reactivate slowly again. Mm-Hmm.
That's just, when you're talking,
that's what's coming through in my head. Yeah.
Yeah. I feel like that's what happens.
You wander around the desert for a while Yeah.
Looking for the, the promised land,
and all of a sudden you start to wake up and like, oh, I,
and, and I feel like when everybody talks, I mean,
when everybody, when people that I know my friends,
we're all talking about that, that land that's calling
to us all, I feel like it's the promised land.
We're people who are waking up and people are waking up
or being called to land to live together,
to harmonize together,
and to live in a world that really works for everyone.
And, and the second part of the definition
is arousing from inactivity, inactivity and or indifference.
Hmm. Right.
And, you know, when we become apathetic
and stuff like that, we're becoming
indifferent to all the stuff.
Right. There's nothing I can do about it.
But there is, it isn't always mean.
It's about the change from the outside.
It's about the changing of the inside
and how you interact with each other.
Sure. Um, when we start treating ourselves better, you know,
putting ourselves first, not being in a,
in a selfish manner, where I want this
because I want it, it's putting yourself first, meaning
that you're taking care of your body, you're taking care
of your mind, you're taking care of your relationships.
Yes. Right. Yeah.
Um, and not always pointing fingers outwards when there's
something in an issue, say, start from within Mm-Hmm.
What, what, how did I trigger this in myself first, then
how did I become the trigger for the other person?
And, and it's another word
for awakening is becoming conscious.
Mm-Hmm. Um, the third one here is a revival of interest,
you know, in something. Right.
Would that be, would that be a renaissance then?
Well, of enough people waking up, then that's what
Happened? Well, it would be. Yeah.
Um,
and then the third one is, uh,
coming into awareness, the discovery.
Like, you know, they use an example, like his discovery
of literature, um, you know, the discovery
of something different, um, instead
of just following the same old course Mm-Hmm.
You know, this is what we're taught in school.
And I mean, I'm watching, you know, the,
all the arguments about what's being taught in our
education system today.
Right. And to me, it, if you want
to talk about awakening, it's an wakening.
It's a suppression. It's not to ask questions, it's
to follow this, this, this.
And it's, to a degree, it's been always that way. Mm-Hmm.
Right. But you have those
special teachers sometimes out there.
Mm-Hmm. That bring something in mine, one of my awakenings
was when I was in seventh or eighth grade,
and I went to Catholic school for 12 years.
Everybody goes, oh, poor you.
I didn't have such a bad experience.
I did see some really horrible things go on,
but I also saw some amazing things.
That's good to hear. Yeah. You know, and, and,
and you know, I, I'm sorry.
A lot of times, I think a lot of it got a, a really bad rap
for people who were at the, the,
I'll say the s**t end of the stick.
Yeah. You know what I mean? But it wasn't all that way.
Mm-Hmm. But the thing is, is that I had a teacher
who was a nun, and we were in a comparative religions class,
and they said, okay, everybody in here has
to pick a different religion.
Mm-Hmm. And I chose Buddhism. They okay with that? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Um, people had, you know, they chose Muslim.
They, some of them Hagan, you know,
witchcraft, all, you know what I mean?
That type. And, and it was absolutely,
everybody gave a presentation.
It wasn't a five, 10 minute presentation.
You had 40 minutes. Oh, wow.
It was, it couldn't be, it had, it was in depth.
You had to do research.
It was no little, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And there you go. And those who got
that didn't get much of a grade.
Oh, wow. And I mean, they were serious.
They wanted you to learn. That's interesting.
I never heard anything like that.
Them opening, opening the doors up
to learning about other things.
Yeah. As far as anybody I've ever talked to.
So that's, well, yeah.
Well, that, that was one
of the things when I was doing all the research on Buddhism,
I really liked it, but I was also in many ways happy with,
you know, being a Catholic at the same time.
And I didn't see any conflict in it.
You know, a lot of people will see conflict in that.
It's because, um, they closed their minds
and saying that this is the only way you can be.
And I never really felt that way.
I used to argue with the nuns in religion class,
and I never had to study.
I knew it. Mm-Hmm. I knew it.
I literally, I would, every test I took,
I basically got an A in it.
And I never studied a darn thing. I knew it.
I argued with them when I, when they were going
qualify principles.
And, well, you know, many years later,
after doing some, you know, uh, meditation
and regressive hypnosis, it turned out
that in many lifetimes I was a Catholic priest, a monk,
you know, uh, I was, you know, also, I was
lives as a, like a shall in monk, you know,
I, I'll use that warrior monk.
I used the term, 'cause I don't know if it was shallowing
or not, but I was religious.
I was always, many, most of my lifetimes were
of a spiritual nature.
Mm-Hmm. Um, but I was also a warrior in a lot of them too.
Yeah. And, you know, together Right.
As that, um, so I had a different unique look at things.
And, and I would, you know, argue all the time, um,
that the Pope is not infallible.
And I mean, I'm eight, nine years old,
and I'm saying, no, the pope's not infallible.
He's a human being. He may be an emissary of God. Mm-Hmm.
But he is not God. He is not infallible.
And that, I mean, I took a lot of crap from that. Yeah.
Um, but I, I mean, I still feel that way,
but I can also still feel very comfortable going into the
church and kneeling and,
and having the incense when, when it's a high mass,
they don't do it in regular masses.
Really. Mm-Hmm. Um,
but I, I mean, I haven't gone in quite a few years,
but when, when my heart says,
come home for a little while Mm-Hmm.
You know, get some comfort.
'cause that's what you tend to do. You go to something
that brought your comfort when you were growing up.
Sure. Yeah. And so I, sometimes I would go
and I would just be, and I, I would find some peace.
Mm. You know, um, and
That's what it's all about. Right? Yeah.
And then I, then I could ask my questions of myself,
because I wasn't beating myself up at that point.
'cause I felt more at peace.
And then the questions were more
honest, not pointing fingers.
Why did you do this? Like we were talking
before the show started, you know,
that you were kind of mad at God, right?
Sure. Yeah. And stuff like that.
And, you know, it's, it's okay. Mm-Hmm.
Part of the awakening realizes that that divine force
of the universe lets us be Mm-Hmm.
Right. Gives us the opportunity to feel, to express, to,
uh, experience.
And that's why we're here. Sure. We're not here to be safe.
Yeah. We're not here to, you know, make, you know,
$150,000 a year and, and, you know, tiptoe on everything.
So you don't lose that $150,000 a year job. Mm-Hmm.
You know, when you're done in that position,
the universe will
Yes. Will get
you out of It.
And if you try to hold onto it,
it's gonna be sledgehammer blows.
Yeah. Yeah. That's gonna let
you know that you're not supposed to be there.
So, I heard you say earlier, I had this awakening.
I had this awakening. Um, so it sounds like, you know,
you're, someone said, I've had many awakenings
and I'm awakening, are you awake?
Let's say I'm stirring.
I mean, there's no real definition
of when you're fully awake.
I think when you become fully awake, you ascend.
Yeah. I mean, um, You know, like, I'm
Glad you said that because I feel pretty similar.
Um, you know, and I want to throw something in there,
here in a second, but, you know, there is these, a lot
of things that are happening when you look back at your life
and say, oh, I was, I really woke up here
and I really woke up to this
'cause this event happened to me, uh,
when I got outta school, or when I was in that car accident.
And so I, you know, I, I feel something.
I don't feel like I'm awake. I feel like I am awakening.
And I feel like that's where the woke thing
Yeah. The woke
agenda is detrimental Yes.
To this kind of spiritual thing that we, nobody,
I don't think anybody that I know is claiming
to know at all by any means.
Yes. Um,
but to me, the woke stuff is, I don't even wanna read that.
All right. Because To me, it's a sc it's,
it's somebody using, I don't gonna name any names,
I don't even think happen any names,
but there's obviously an agenda out there
to put certain things into this woke agenda.
And it's detrimental to this spiritual awakening people
who are, you know, being humble about it.
We're, we're, we're trying to talk about,
we're not saying we know it all, but when you have this
kinda ideology that I'm woken, I know all the things,
and I know everything, man, that's really bad for you.
Like, that's not humble at all.
It's not, you know, you are, you know,
and I get it, as you learn, when I first started waking up,
I really felt like I knew a lot of things.
And I was like, man, the universe has given me
so much about these certain
topics that I wanna tell everybody.
But sometimes you need some sledgehammer blows to you
to be like, Hey, man, you don't know it all yet.
And then now, as, as long as I've been waking up,
I feel like I know this much of an infinite amount
of information and that that humble humbles me a lot.
So I feel like the whole woke agenda is a
very dangerous sometimes to,
Well, uh, spirituality.
Well, it, it is. And it, it's a danger,
not just the spirituality.
Um, it's a danger to its original intent.
It's real original intent of being woke was to, to be aware
of the social injustices that are going on.
Mm-Hmm. Most times it started with the black community.
Mm-Hmm. It was there to show, look,
look at the different things that are going
on. You know, black Lives
Matter And stuff. Black Lives
Matter and stuff.
And, and, you know, I mean, that's a whole other topic.
Unfortunately, the Black Lives Matter thing literally, um,
became a scam. Well,
It was set up by George Soros and Right.
But, but, but what happened is all the people who they,
they benefited financially, it never went to the people.
All the money that was raised went Yeah.
Didn't go to the people
that they were saying it was gonna go to.
The people run into a multimillion dollar house,
a scam mansion in California.
And, you know, you know,
when it comes into the Black Lives Matter, I, I'm the one
of those people who say all lives matter,
don't not get into one category.
Um, if you're gonna be woke, woke should mean
that you are aware of the inequalities that go on in life.
Mm-Hmm. But the thing is, is like, some people want
to go into socialism because they said, well,
then you're gonna have an equal distribution of money,
but that isn't how it works.
The, you know, the Soviet Union was both socialistic
and communistic were the people given stuff.
Yeah. But they were breadlines all the time.
They had very limited food.
Um, there was the elite who lived in mansions and stuff.
It be really became the king in the surfs. Mm-Hmm. Right.
And, you know, when you have somebody who has a lot
of talent, is getting the same as the person who has none of
that talent and is not doing the same, not contributing,
not even close to the same amount.
Mm-Hmm. Is that, are they on, are, are they equal?
You what I mean? Well, this is
For a little bit, Spiritually they can be Mm-Hmm.
The same equal. But if I'm putting in all the work,
and this person refuses to work
and they get all the benefits just sitting on, you know,
watching TV and drinking a beer,
and this person's working his butt off Mm-Hmm.
Is that equal?
Well, I, I just try
to see it from a different point of view, my point.
And that's why we're here to,
and that's why we're here talking about it.
Right. My point of view is if I,
so when we talk about someone who is awake,
I do think people, there have been people
who, who were awake.
Uh, when people ask Buddha like, who are you?
What are you, he said, I'm awake. Mm-Hmm.
He, he used that exact term, and I think he was awake.
And I think he probably did fully open that pineal Glen.
He full and open the chakras, and they were all working.
And I think Jesus and Krishna
and there, you know, definitely a lot of other people, uh,
even saints and stuff, I feel like were really, um,
if they weren't awake, they were really, you know,
awakening a lot and to their full potential.
So, but I would think if, if Christ was standing here
and there was somebody who came, everybody's looking
for food, and this guy works his butt off all day,
and this guy's been sitting on the street,
I don't see him giving any more to that guy than this guy.
He's gonna probably give him the same amount.
And so I, to me, social,
Well, but that's equality.
Yeah. And that's because he's not
judging what they're doing.
Right. He's just giving
something eat. They're hungry. Right.
If you're hungry. And that's the thing is, is, um, it, it,
it's, what happens is, is a lot
of it we're polarizing into categories.
Mm-Hmm. And that's separating us.
Um, like, you know, when we go talking about the people
who are the, you know, um, let's see, uh, the non-binary,
the, you know, if we're going into that, you know,
all those are terms Mm-Hmm.
I see each person as a human. Yes. And it's not, and
There is no race. You're gay, you're
straight, you're,
you're this, you're that.
No, you're a human being. Yeah.
I'm going, I'm gonna do my best to treat you equally.
I don't care what you're wearing. Mm-Hmm. I don't care.
You know, who you're sleeping with. I, I don't care. Yes.
If you are kind to me, I'm kind to you. Wow. If
You're not, I'm probably gonna be kind regardless. I,
And well, that's where I was going.
I said, but no matter what, I'm gonna try to be kind
to everybody who comes into my Mm-Hmm. You know, that's
One of the things I do think is a part of a bigger agenda,
because for sure, there is only one race.
That's the human race. It's the
Human race. When we're all dig
up, I wanna love you all.
I'm gonna love everybody a hundred percent.
So I do, I do 100% subscribe to that.
I, I, I think, uh, and I don't know the quote exactly,
but Christian Mer, but once said, you know, when you're,
when you claim to be a Christian or a Muslim,
or that you're being violent, you don't really realize it.
Because anything that you're putting out there to say,
I'm this, and I know a bunch of people of you aren't,
that you're dividing yourself.
Mm-Hmm. So really to see humanity as a whole,
to see everyone as brothers and sisters,
and the more you divide yourself into these small
categories, we're divided up.
Yeah. And that is the ultimate goal of some people
who are up here, is as long
as we fight each other based on anything else.
Well, and that's exactly what this is all about. Right.
And that's, and that's exactly what this is all about, is
to separate all of us.
Everybody has something they can contribute to each other.
Yes. I, You know, everybody, um,
you could be mentally challenged.
You still have something to contribute.
You have sometimes those people
who are mentally challenged can be the wisest people in all
the world, because most times they have to function on
what's coming from their heart.
Yes. And that's generally more the truth.
Yes. And since you said that, I do wanna say, I, I do work
with special needs, uh, kids and adults regularly.
And I tell you what, I have seen the beauty in all of them.
And in some ways, some of them are, some are
so far advanced, to be honest, us,
we don't even recognize it.
Um, they don't care oftentimes what they're wearing,
who they're wearing, um, what they look like.
It's irrelevant. It's, it's, you know, put clothes on.
I don't even need clothes. I could walk out here
naked and I'm not gonna care.
Mm-Hmm. I'm only gonna put
these clothes on if you told me to.
Um, and there's a freedom to that, that none of us have.
Right. To be able to walk around like that
and be totally free and not care.
And there are things, um, I work with a kid
who has Down syndrome, and this kid, he wants
to be the center of retention.
He's super funny. He's got the best laugh.
And it would be hard to hang out with him if you not
to giggle and if you not to laugh.
Right. And that is a laughter is a powerful
Medicine. It's one of the best
medicines. It
Is one of the best medicines. So,
Yeah. It is.
I do think even though they may seem different in our
society, they're things
that they have to contribute, like you said.
And they're things that they're more advanced in
than oftentimes that we are.
And if you can see that, you can see
that every human being really is completely invaluable.
Like there's no, they're priceless. There's no price.
Yeah. And I think part of that, that's when you can see
that, like, you're, like, you're recognizing
that's one reason why you work with the special needs.
That's part of the awakening process for you. Sure.
But also, when you tell your story,
you're helping the people who are watching.
You're helping me to see from your eyes
and what you experience on a daily basis working
with this community. Mm-Hmm. Um,
Even learning patience, you know? Oh,
Yeah. Just, just,
you're helping me learn patience, you know,
and I'm trying to help you learn how to put your clothes on
and how to get dressed and how to things.
You're helping me learn. Patience, kindness, acceptance.
You know? Um, and that to me is the things that, you know,
a lot of us need to work on the most.
And, and, and that's a great teacher.
They're a great teacher in that way. So, yeah.
Um, I'm very thankful for that community.
And, uh, I do think, so back to socialism real quick.
I just wanna add this, because a lot of people do get kind
of a bad rap on socialism,
but if you like firefighters, do you like police officers?
Do you like public schools?
All that stuff is all the taxes that we pay
that everyone should benefit from equally.
Now, they don't always Mm-Hmm.
Uh, capitalism can be the same way. It's all tainted.
Martin Luther King said, if we never become a society based
on humans, and it's only profit based
or thing based, we're, we're always gonna be a sick
Society. I, I think it
has to be the combination thereof.
You gotta be a Big combination. Yeah.
It's got a big combination. Yeah. It's gotta a, you gotta,
you gotta put 'em all in the blender
and, and put 'em together.
What's the positive activity?
Well, what's the number one thing that you think that has
to, what does it have to be about
Community? I,
I would, I would just say people. Yeah.
Yeah. People. Well, that's community.
That's the Yeah. Hundred percent.
Every single person needs to be just as valuable
as anybody doing any job, any president, CEO everybody.
And that's kinda like what your dad says, you know, talk
to the janitor, same way you talk to CEO E Mm-Hmm.
You know, you speak, feel more respect and everything.
That's how I was told to speak to people.
And yes, it's something I always remembered.
And I was like, you know what? I never
talked down about anybody.
I never talked down about social needs people, nothing.
Because I see the value in every single person.
And, and if they're here, they're needed.
Well, I mean, yeah. I'm,
I'm just picturing in my mind if you didn't have a janitor
in your schools, you didn't have a,
a janitor in the office complex.
Mm-Hmm. Would you wanna go in there? No.
I mean, You picture all the dirt and the dust
and the papers and, and leaves it, or the mud
and everything else, it would look disgusting.
Yeah. That means they, they actually, the janitor the lowest
of the low, or almo except,
or except for those who clean out the, uh,
the toilets, you know?
But those, those are probably the most important jobs.
But it's like the socialized
Tasks 'cause Right. That's
the Yeah. It's the debate.
You know, I mean, with, if you're going into taxes,
you know, we're, we're going way off on the topics,
but still, if you go with taxes, it should be equal.
You know, if, you know, if, if I'm having to pay 20%
of my income or 30% of my income Mm-Hmm.
Right down here, they should be at least getting
that taken out up there
and not having all these incredible tax loopholes.
Right. Where they're not paying anything
and they're not, you know, like they, they went after Trump.
They, they go off after Elon and everybody else. Mm-Hmm.
But, but they're doing everything legally
because they have the loopholes Yeah.
Within the thing. And if they're doing it legally at
There are some loopholes. I
I would certainly use 'em as well. Yes,
Exactly. But I
think it's like a socialized caste system
where it's like, yes.
It's, you know, and, and it is a caste system. It is.
And it's like, it's not something
that we should be really engaged in, but we are,
and we do it just because we've been brainwashed
really, and programmed to think that way.
But someone who works at McDonald's
or any other food restaurant, I'm sorry, you can say
what you want to about me, but you,
most people eat three times a day.
Right. I, you know, and that to me is a valuable thing.
You gotta eat every day. You gotta get your hair cut,
you gotta get your grass cut.
And every job is something that makes the our world work.
And if you don't have, like you said, a janitor,
it's, you don't want to go in there. Right. And so why is,
And the place would start falling apart,
You know, every, every job is important to me.
Well, I mean, Steven, who was talking earlier, Mm-Hmm.
Every time we've gone somewhere, he goes,
thank you for being here.
You know, waitress, we're, we're in line for, you know,
you know, a cup of coffee at seven 11 or something.
And he is like, you know, I, he looks at the name tag,
he says their name, and he says, thank you for being here.
Thank you for serving us. Thank you for making this happen.
You know, that type of thing. He's acknowledging everybody.
Mm-Hmm. And that's one of the things, you know, part
of the awakening process is the acknowledgement of,
you know, the people around us,
but also the acknowledgement of ourselves.
Mm-Hmm. Right. We have
to look within ourselves and say, you know, yeah.
I've been through, I've done some really crappy things,
but I've also done some good things.
Right. It's acknowledging who we are, what we've done.
Um, I'm, so I'm rolling away from the, the thing here.
Um, but accepting it that,
that this was part of your experience.
Mm-Hmm. We came here to experience life.
And not all life is, you know, butterflies
and rainbows and unicorns.
Right, right. Sometimes it's, you know, cut knees
and broken arms and, you know, uh, near-death experiences
and all these types of things.
Yeah. But if you look at 'em from the perspective of
what did I learn from it?
Mm-Hmm. What did I gain from this?
You know, what insight, did I learn boundaries?
Did I learn to say no?
Did I learn to that I have a voice and I need to speak it?
But not with anger. Usually when it comes out
in the beginning, it's with anger.
Mm-Hmm. Because it's like, break it free.
Ah, I'm gonna say it.
You know, and that's just the way it is.
But, you know, even though it might be offensive,
and I don't call language violent.
Mm-Hmm. You know, a lot of people use that term.
Now, if you look up the definition of violence, it's the act
of physical aggress.
It's a physical aggression. Mm-Hmm.
You know, the other thing is not violence.
Um, you can write violence and you can speak about violence,
but you can't commit violence with your mouth, meaning
that you're not actually having physical harm.
Alright. It, it's, you know, it could be aggression, um,
oppression, you know, there's other words for
what really goes on.
Mm-Hmm. Um, but the, I'm losing my track of mind.
I'm going off. Oh, you're good now.
Um, but I, yeah, I totally, I I'm, I hear saying,
but all, when we are,
we're processing all these emotions and words.
'cause all the, the language is changing.
Words that I grew up
with have completely different meanings now.
Yeah. And the words that the way I used them growing up were
different than what my parents grew up.
So our English language is changing.
So I'd, I'd recommend everybody out there who's watching,
or who will watch in the future, is
to find a really old dictionary Mm-Hmm.
And look at the difference, you know, um, there are people
who collect dictionaries.
Yeah. Those old, you know. Yeah. But find an old one.
'cause I have an old one from when I was in sixth grade
that I was using for playing, um, a game.
Mm-Hmm. You know, Scrabble.
And, and I had somebody who was,
you know, in their twenties playing.
And they're, that's not what it means.
That's not what it means.
You know, they're arguing now that, you know what I mean?
When we were having a discussion Mm-Hmm.
And I hand that dictionary and I
was like, well, that's not the same.
Pulls out another dictionary and we're both right. Mm-Hmm.
Um, but because my generation was different, you know, like,
like the word gay.
Mm-Hmm. Back in, um, the thirties, forties,
fifties, um,
and probably most of the sixties, I'm not sure about that.
Um, that was about gay meant happy, joyous. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, they had a movie from the 1940s
and fifties, the gay divorcee.
Mm-Hmm. Meaning he was happy that he was divorced. Mm. Yeah.
Right. But today, when you look at that, I would look at it
and go, oh, the guy you know, is gay.
You know, he's, he's homosexual, you know, or whatever.
You know what I mean? The words have changed
in our dynamic dynamics.
And that's also where some of our separation
and where we're, um, not communicating effectively
with the generations Mm-Hmm.
Is because the terminologies have changed.
And, you know, like mine is
probably a bit different than yours
because you're,
I'm like 20 years older than you. Mm-Hmm. Right.
Yeah. And they're, the young kids are
saying things that, you know, you Right.
And I try to keep up Saying, I would know where you too
Wouldn't know. You know, I
try to keep up as much as I can,
but since I'm not around, um, that age range anymore Mm-Hmm.
As often, you know, thank God I got a lot
of friends in their early twenties, mid twenties and stuff.
I, I pick up and, you know, and I learned,
but that's also part of the awakening process.
Mm-Hmm. Because what I have a definition
of in the past is now changing.
It's expanding for me. Right.
'cause I still have the memory of the old one,
but now I have all these new elements that it could mean.
So depending on the crowd who I'm talking to. Right.
I, I have an, I have an idea of what they're talking with,
the context of the sentence.
Sure. That they're not meaning happy.
They're meaning, you know, something else. Yeah.
Something else. Well,
I want to go, so I want to go back and,
and talk about, make a comment on one thing,
and then I have a question for you.
Yeah. So the thing I wanna talk about is, you were saying
that Steven said these things to people like, you know,
I'm glad you're here and being kind to people.
And to me that is a, that's a really big spiritual practice.
I think all of us need to, uh, kind of subscribe
to sometimes is that if we're all God,
and that's what I believe, believe everyone is God.
Mm-Hmm. Everyone is an aspect.
Everyone is is a, is you're playing a character. Right?
Yeah. We're all, we're all playing a role,
but deep down, our souls are all made
of the same stuff and the same thing.
I made the same thing. My soul's made the same thing.
Jesus Christ or Buddha or Krishna
or Muhammad or Allah, anybody else.
Um, and that's why he said you can do all the
same thing as doing a greater thing. Yep.
I that all the time.
Right. And, and when I'm reading, I, you know,
when I read the Bible, I especially love the words
and read spoken by Christ.
And I obviously, I read them a lot and,
and research for some of the other podcasts that we do it,
you know, there's really specific instructions
that Christ always says.
You know, talking about feeding people on time.
You know, like I have a special needs person that lives
with me and just like reading that makes me think,
don't cook her meal early just
because it's convenient for you.
Cook it on time. Even she can't talk, she's not gonna,
you know, she can't tell me when she wants it necessarily.
But I know when she wants it. I know when she wants eat.
I shouldn't cook it early to be convenient for me.
Treat people the way,
not you wanna be treated the best way you can think of.
Treat. 'cause this is God.
And you know Christ and is saying that yes,
when the time comes at the end times, you know, there's no,
everything you've done is wide out there in the open.
And so if you're someone who treats people poorly,
if you're someone who lies and cheats and stuff,
and you think you're getting away with it, you know,
when the end times, when this, when this time comes,
when this kind of, um, purification happens,
all those things that you did
and how you treat people, you know, according to crisis,
saying, those who treated my, my, my people the best.
You're gonna be put up in a place to take care of my people.
'cause you took care of my people. Well, mm-Hmm.
And I think about that and I think about, you know,
there are times when I obviously get frustrated and,
and it's tough to work with some special needs people.
And it can be hard. And I say, do I get mad? Do I get angry?
You know, or do I, you know, always speak from my heart,
always be kind and always like under try to understand
where they're coming from because I feel like it's
because I'm by myself doesn't mean I'm alone.
And there's people watching. And I, you know,
that's part of the karma, you know?
And like how you treat people,
how you drive out there on the road, how you talk
to yourself and how you talk
to others is what's gonna come back to you.
Oh, 100%. And if you bully yourself, you know,
and if you bull and that
how you treat yourself is obviously you're 100%. Um,
And that's, and that's one reason why they say you need
to be number one in your own life. Yeah. So you've
Got, how you treat yourself is
how you tell everyone else to treat you.
So when you're like beating yourself up
Or an attitude, Yeah.
You're gonna get back. So
you're gonna get that back to you.
I, I realize, you know, how I drive
and let people come on in, pull on in,
and then I almost, I, you know, right, right.
After that, sometimes I need to be let in, you know,
or if I pull over
and get in front of somebody, then somebody does the meet
almost instantaneous, sometimes within seconds,
sometimes for minutes right after that.
And I realize, oh, you know, gotta watch myself.
You know, that's my cue. And I'm constantly watching the
world and how the things that are happening
to me are probably mostly
because of how I'm being in the world.
Right. And that, that really, honestly,
if you think about it, you're looking into a mirror
and the things that you say
and the things that you do, it's just
mirroring all that stuff back to you.
If you want to be happy, be happy, you smile
and the mirror smiles back.
But you can't be like, I'm gotta do all these things
and everything else, and then I'm gonna be happy.
No, the mirror's not gonna smile
until you smile, and then it smiles. Exactly.
And, and that brings up to a thing.
Uh, uh, I guess it was a type of awakening too.
Um, it was in 2007, I was at a,
a workshop and, um, the person leading the workshop says,
everybody, I want you to go out, you know,
and go, go to the bathroom and go look in the mirror
and look yourself straight in the eye and say, I love you.
And so, you know, there was over five, 600 people,
maybe a thousand people in the thing.
So it took a while. Mm-Hmm.
You know, so everybody was able
to take a break and everything too.
And it came back in and he started asking questions.
How easy was it for you to say, I love you to yourself.
Look yourself square in the eye.
Could you look yourself square in the eye?
And I'll say, 95%
of the people said it was almost impossible for them
to look themselves square in the eye and say, I love you.
Because there's always something within us
that we think we should be better at
or we're, we're ashamed of.
And everything else. That's also part
of the human experience.
But that also blocks us, you know,
because we don't feel worthy enough.
Mm-Hmm. To be awake.
And just by what you're saying is
how you treat the other people, um, in your life,
you have a choice every moment.
Right. You know, I can be mad at this person
and I can blow up, but I can also realize that I blew up
and say, you know something,
I've had a rough day and I took it out on you.
I'm sorry. Yeah. But most people are afraid to do that
because then it shows that they're weak.
That's not weak. That's the most, that's the most
spiritual strong energy that you can have. But
That, sorry, can instantly change the
entire energy in the whole room.
Yes. Because somebody's mad at you too,
because you talk to 'em like
that and their feelings are hurt.
But when you sincerely say it exactly, you really mean it.
When you mean it from your heart,
It just kind of just washes it all away and cleanses.
It's we're ing like, I'm sorry. I truly am sorry for those
Things. And most times it does, but
sometimes it doesn't.
But that's also okay,
because that was also a triggering mechanism for them
to start to realize that they're holding grudges,
that they're not able to forgive,
they're not able to release.
And that's one of the things, you know, it,
it's also a lesson for them.
They might not get it. They might not awaken Mm-Hmm.
To that right away. But the more it happens,
and they more the realize that how they're reacting
to things is allowing them to be segregated from, from
what were once friends, you know, I mean, I see
so many friendships end over stupid little arguments.
Yeah. You know, or differences, you know, I mean, oh my God.
Uh, my, in my own family when, you know, some
of the politics was going on and one believed in this
and everybody else didn't, you know, the one
who believed this way, ostracized the rest
of the family for, for years.
Yeah. Uh, uh, you know what I mean?
And it was like, to me, that is so silly.
We have one lifetime. You know, you love the person.
Even if you disagree with them,
that doesn't mean you stop loving them.
That usually you can never stop loving.
You cover it over with something else. Mm-Hmm.
You, you bury it under, um, anger or hate, you know?
But that love is always in the core.
If you've loved somebody once, you always love somebody.
Yeah. If you really love them. If you love 'em. Yeah.
And not, not, you know, just like they felt good, you know?
Yeah. Or something, but where you felt, you know,
if you can feel the loss of somebody in your life
and you think of them and you wish it was different,
that means you've loved that person.
Mm-Hmm. Right. On some level.
Now, love isn't always a, a physical thing.
It's a spiritual, it's an emotional thing. Mm-Hmm.
Um, but you can have all those things.
And, and being awake is really about becoming more aware of
how you're walking in this world.
Yes. Um, in the morning you wake up
and you're having, you wake up and you're grumpy
and everything kick outta the bed.
Most times it's because we're not grounded. Ground yourself.
Do some grounding exercises.
If you don't know what that is, go look it up.
You know, other than other terms, earthing and,
and stuff like that, it's all grounding techniques.
But, but make a choice in that morning.
I've, I've done it before when I was a cop,
you know, I didn't get enough rest.
I'm, I'm really, you know,
if I don't sleep well, I'm, I'm an a*****e.
I'm an a*****e. Um, you know, my, my friends,
my close friends and family have permission to say,
John, go take a nap.
Because usually it's 'cause I'm too exhausted.
I'm tired, I'm mentally shot.
That's all it takes a lot of time is just
to take a second to Yeah.
To Reset back to yourself
and say, Hey, look, you know, I stubbed my toe.
I'm gonna have a bad day. No, no, no, I'm not. I stu my toe.
Then the rest of the day is gonna be great.
And manifest that and create that. And
Instead Of saying, I, you know,
exactly, I'm gonna have a bad day.
'cause this thing happened already. My
morning's already started bad. Yeah. Um,
So I, yeah. Um,
in that instance,
what I literally did was I caught myself.
I said, clear that, whoa, no, I'm, you know,
'cause I, I go, someone's gonna mess with me.
I'm gonna f**k 'em up. That's, that's what I say.
Can I say this? Yeah.
You know, and the thing is, is, uh, I, I called myself
and I said, no, I have a choice here.
And I said, and I said, I, I was driving in my car.
I'm in uniform. I'm driving, you know, to work.
I wasn't in the patrol car or,
or, you know, I worked in a jail mostly.
But, um, I, I literally said, no,
I'm gonna work the, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna be a comedian today.
I am not gonna write up anything.
I am gonna, I'm gonna treat everything with humor. Mm-Hmm.
Because I know that's complete opposite
of what I was feeling.
I choose to have a good day today. I choose to, to be funny.
I choose to be work in peace, light love,
compassion, truth, integrity, forgiveness and thanksgiving.
And I, I say that to myself every day. That's my goal.
That's my goal of the day.
Every morning I get up and I meditate,
and I say, you know, I say spirit, Lord, please allow me
to work this day and every day in my existence in peace,
light and love, compassion, truth, integrity,
forgiveness and thanksgiving.
That's my daily goal to do that. Yeah.
And, and do I make it all the time? No. Right. Right.
So those are affirmations that you're saying. Those
Are affirmations. Right.
And so what if somebody's watching this tonight
or watching this, uh, somewhere down the road,
and they, some event has happened to them in their life.
Some sledgehammer blow from
the universe has common hit. Yeah.
Like you car accident the family or
Whatever, car job relationships ended.
Um, you know, to me, uh, suffering was really the thing.
I think ultimately that brought forth the largest
awakening in my life. That, well,
It's usually the most, the biggest key.
Yeah. I mean, I'm miserable. Right.
You know, you're miserable in life.
And I came to the conclusion, I've basically created rock,
Created Rock bottom, created my own hell.
And if I'm powerful enough to create my own hell,
because, you know, I'm not like I'm
living on the street or anything.
I have an apartment and, you know, I'm living in Atlanta.
I'm working as a bartender, but like, I'm not happy.
I'm not, you know, like something is
definitely missing my life.
And I'm having this huge awakening going on,
and I'm like, I gotta, I gotta get outta here.
And my heart's saying, you gotta go move
to Colorado and you gotta work with kids.
And that's it. And yeah.
My brain's like, no one's gonna hire you to work
with any kids in Colorado.
But I trusted my heart
and I trusted that everything that I gave away at the time
and move to Colorado, I would get and get more.
And I've certainly got You knew you
Would return. Yeah. Well that
come
Back. Yes. Yes. Certainly got
all of it
and much, much more at this point.
But if somebody's watching right now
and they're hearing those affirmations,
like, okay, that's something I could do.
What are some other things you think that people could do
to help with their awakening?
'cause I think once you've had that blow,
once you've had this, you know, kind
of both the universe says, okay,
life isn't what I always thought it was.
Now I'm willing to just to start from the bottom
and learn everything over and relearn things. Well,
I think it's some really important to, to ground
is, is so important to ground
because what grounding does it, um, when I do readings,
you know, I've got like these 15 decks
of cards on the table, but I'm also, I do mediumship.
And when it comes in, um, I, I use the example
of life can be very chaotic.
There can be so much going on.
When you have something that's overwhelming you Mm-Hmm.
Right. And you are completely overwhelmed
and you can't make decisions, you can't do it.
That means you're totally ungrounded at that point in time.
Being grounded is one, taking a moment to breathe,
take moment,
and do several breaths.
You start to feel yourself centering more. Mm-Hmm.
You generally start to feel a little bit of sense of peace,
even through all that you feel a little bit.
But we tend to fight it
because when we lose somebody, we wanna suffer in a way
because we can't be with them.
Mm-Hmm. You know what I mean?
There's, there's, there's a lot
of psychological things going on in our mind,
but the grounding can also take it down a notch.
Right. But when you start to breathe,
you're bringing it down into another sense.
And what, what grounding does,
and I used an example of taking, is like,
you have these like 15 decks of playing cards,
and they're all different colors.
Right. And they have different graphics on it,
but they might have all the same numbers.
Right. And all, they're all lined up in their piles.
And then you take that all them and you mix 'em together,
and you got like a thousand cards piled up here.
And I say, I want you to pick five cards out of
that blue deck with the dragons on it.
You got five seconds go.
Well, you got a thousand cards that you're like,
you're deer in the headlights, you're frozen.
Mm-Hmm. And then you go, oh crap, I'm losing time.
Eh, and you're tense and you jump into it,
you know, so tense.
Where you lose your fine motor skills, you're luck.
You won't even get one card in that five seconds.
You're not even gonna find one because your mind's frenzied.
Meaning you're not grounded, you're, you're everything.
Mm-Hmm. You are overwhelmed.
What grounding does is takes this big pile
and puts 'em into the individual piles.
Mm-Hmm. Right.
Where you, oh, there's the, the deck with the, the dragons.
Mm-Hmm. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
or most times you'll pick up five.
I show it to my clients all the time. Mm-Hmm.
I use the example, I mean, I don't put a big pile,
but I, I, when the decks are in the thing, I reach out
and I pull out and I go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 more times than I pick
up six or seven or four, three.
Right. Right. And you know,
you can't tell they're all stacked together. Yeah.
And that air is mental. Right. So Yeah.
When we're in a fear state,
we're breathing much more shallow.
And when you take those deep breaths, you come to that here.
Right. And now, and you relaxed and your brain works better.
Right. And that's, you know, one
of the things why tests aren't very good in school,
because when you're stressed out
of that test, I was horrible too.
Your brain is not making those connections. Yeah.
To pull that stuff outta your mind, you have to know.
You probably looked at it
and you know the answer, but you're not catching it.
You're not pulling it out because
Right. And, and that was me. That
was me one, you're me too.
Did you look up my records?
I just know John. Um, yeah. You just know me.
Uh, um, but the thing was is that that's the first step.
Mm-Hmm. Now, after that, you sit there
and, um, like when that tragic situation is to go,
what can I learn from this?
Right. You're taking what, what
positive can come from this Mm-Hmm.
Right. And it might be that all of a sudden you were called
to action that this will should never have happened.
Right. And it might through be through anger.
Now anger is an emotion. Right.
We all have, it's part of being human. Mm-hmm. Right.
But to use the anger as a constructive thing,
not a destructive thing.
Mm-Hmm. Right. I said, I'm angry right now.
This should never happen. Then you look at the legal
ramifications of what went on, what should have been,
what should have been in place, that,
because this has happened to thousands of other people,
and it could have been easily remedied if
someone really looked at it.
Mm-Hmm. Well then you sit there
and all of a sudden you find some
other people who had the same thing.
You found. It was a group out there,
and all of a sudden you're starting to thing
and all of a sudden you write up this paperwork
and you bring it to the, you know, the, the Senate
or the Congress or whatever it is, and the lawmakers,
and you get this thing instituted in
because it was well thought out.
Mm-Hmm. Right now, that horrible thing that went on
now has a positive effect to not only the person who did it
because they're accomplishing something,
but the people who got involved with it,
and the people who don't even think about it,
have now been saved by this horrendous thing
that may have gone on through you.
It's, it's basically looking
for the silver lining in that thundercloud.
Mm-Hmm. Alright.
Um, everything, you know, one of the things,
everything happens for a reason
and that reason is there to serve me.
Mm-Hmm. Right. Happening
For you to wake up.
Yes. Not happening too. You. Right.
Exactly. And, and,
and that's, you know, a lot of times
what we do is we all go, we all do it,
and we go into victim energy. Yes. I think that
That victimization is real heavy right now.
And I feel like everybody want to claim
to be a victim for some reason.
Some, some. Well, that's really detrimental
to your spiritual growth.
It is detrimental to spiritual growth
and societal too, that
You're here by accident.
It creates those gaps that we talked about
Earlier. Yeah. You're
here by accident
and things aren't, you know,
have never been easy for you, and that's fine.
You know, you grow and you learn and you, and you move on.
And, and that's, but to be a victim,
man, that's a, that's a bad.
Yeah. I feel like that's not a great place to, to be
and just realize everything is happening for me
to wake up and to do the best that I can.
Yeah. And I'm looking in here
and what I have on the screen here is from Chris, you know?
Yes. Education is the key.
Breathing is the next level above love. It's called freedom.
Mm-Hmm. Hello, love and light.
Beautiful family from pa Okay.
Breathing mixed with the blood love and freedom. Mm-Hmm.
You know, the breath is so important.
Oxygen, that's, they goes, breath is
Nice. Oxygenate those blood cells.
Yes
Sir. Oxygen, um,
you know, when we're shallow breathing,
we don't have, generally our
brain cells are not being oxygenated as much.
Mm-Hmm. Right. So we'll have slower, um,
mental faculties Mm-Hmm.
When we don't breathe correctly.
And then breathing, do using breathing techniques.
That's what they do in yoga. They
do it in a lot of different things.
Right. Is extremely important.
And that's a good one too. Yoga is a great practice. Yeah.
In order to help yourself wake up.
One of the things in yoga that I first realized was that
grudges and things you were talking about earlier,
holding these things against people,
that they did something to you.
And so you're angry about it.
And I would hold onto that
and I found out in yoga, I did a back bend, one
of my first classes, and I, you know, did the back bend
and turned around and had this euphoric release of
what seemed to be grudges that had held inside my body
and had this kind of pain, physical pain in my back from it
that I was literally released from.
And I was like, oh, wow. You know, if I hold on the grudges,
I'm gonna have, I'm angry at somebody.
I'm not just have this interjection inter uh,
energetic connection to them,
but I'm also holding onto this
thing that's hurting me. Right.
Physically. Yeah. And,
and there's a technique out there called the emotion code.
Mm-Hmm. If you've ever heard of it. Yeah.
And then the secondary part of that is the body code.
Mm-Hmm. But that talks about those type of things,
the emotions that are trapped within the body from different
experiences and sometimes passed on, like a legacy
from generation to generation.
And, you know, they have different techniques
where you can help release
that without having to be re-traumatized.
Like a lot of times people go to therapies
and they bring up the o the past,
they bring up the experience
and the person's re-traumatized.
Mm-Hmm. Do you have to go through that?
I mean, 'cause that's stunting their awakening process
to bring it up to Well, yeah.
To bring it up in the manner that they,
where they're reliving it. Um, I mean, I,
I feel like that's sometimes good
'cause Well, you know, you if you're not
aware of certain things to bring
Yeah. I didn't say always.
Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't say always.
Alright. Right. It depends on the individual.
And you can usually get that with the type of conversation.
There's ways to, to circumvent having them
dead on face like this.
Sometimes it has to come in, in little tidbits
where they're able to process,
otherwise they get overwhelmed.
Right. It's, again, if they get grounded
and they breathe, they might be able to handle that process.
But do they teach that when you're,
you know, going into counseling?
Mm-Hmm. Not many more are doing that stuff. Yeah.
More across. 'cause I know my ex-wife is an LPC, um,
I have friends that are LPCs actually, you know,
who come become my clients too.
And you know, we, we, we talk
and, you know, I share what I do the way I do it
so they can share it with them, you know, their patients
and stuff like that too.
Mm-Hmm. Um, and it all comes down to, you know,
knowledge is not sacred.
Knowledge should be shared right now.
What popped into my mind about 10 minutes ago was that a lot
of times what happens is, you know, like if, if you're,
say an ultra Christian is what I call 'em, where they,
this is this and it's so locked in and this is the word.
And you can't do anything else.
Yoga is the work of the devil.
Meditation is the work of the devil.
I've had people who come eventually to meditations
that I've led, who
that's the way they were raised and everything.
And they were so uncomfortable in there.
I said, just relax, just breathe. Mm-Hmm.
You know, and I said, if you, if this doesn't resonate
with you, then don't come back.
Mm-Hmm. It's okay. You know, it's okay.
But there's more out there. It's not about control.
It's about learning and,
and understanding the dynamics of the energy that we have,
the interactions that we have.
Mm-Hmm. You know, when something's wrong,
don't you? Yeah. When something's off.
The funny thing you say that though, just goes,
so you guys know in the book of Psalms,
the word meditation is used dozens of times.
And in Matthew literally says, those
who sat in darkness saw great light.
So if you're sitting in darkness, I don't know
what else you would be doing, but
besides a meditating, you know what I mean?
Right. So it's it's clear in there, you
Know. It is. And and
I think it's
because of how whoever their, um, pastor
or teacher was Yeah.
Used it as a negative and that got passed on.
And, and it's, again, it's with the language
and that wording and stuff like that and how,
and what we infer what that word means.
Mm-Hmm. That twists it from its original meaning
into something that could be bad.
Right. And so that gets passed on
because, you know, this person's learning
and that you look up to this person, you know, I look up
to this guy right up behind me here, there, where is he?
Over there? Right there. Right. Um, Sasquatch. Yeah.
And we can get it to him too in a little while.
But the thing is, is that, you know, everything,
if we follow the energetic field Mm-Hmm.
That we feel in our heart and our gut,
there're neurons in both of those.
I'm sliding away again. Yeah. There're, I'm rolling. Yeah.
Rolling, rolling, rolling. Yeah.
Um, you know, you've talked to this,
I think on one of your shows too.
Um, it's up to 11 seconds that you know, that they found,
and they believe it's further that we sense things
we'll say in the future through the heart and the gut
because it works on an energetic field,
which is a quantum field Mm-Hmm.
Where our brain, you know, works, you know,
when we think it's working off of this, this, this, this,
this, the touch, it's the senses
and it's putting in the data.
And most of the data we get from school is
what it's in books.
It's from someone talking.
So it's coming in through the senses. Mm-Hmm. Right.
Where this works off on the energetic field,
the quantum field.
Right. Of all that was, is and shall be. Right. Right.
They literally did a test in the early 1960s, um,
which was actually done again about three
or four years ago with using modern equipment as opposed
to flashcards and stuff like that.
Um, unbeknownst to the new people, they didn't know
that this study was already done,
is where they did a baseline.
They hooked up the wires on the brain to get the, you knows,
you know, the PS scope out
or whatever it is, the E-E-C-G-E-K-G or all those stuff.
They were all hooked up wired. Right.
And, um, they literally, the,
they did a baseline.
They asked, they showed 'em certain things,
so they had a baseline of reaction.
And when they, back in the 1960s, all
of a sudden a person handed them a card, but
before they handed them the card, they were getting
waves going off before it was flatlined.
And all of a sudden the wave started going Mm-Hmm. Right.
And when they turned the card over
and they eyes sort, all of a sudden the top wave matched.
Right. Right. And in the modern one they did
with a computer screen, it was black.
All of a sudden, you know, it's, it's black.
They're the participants were getting this, the wave going,
and it could have been jagged.
Mm-Hmm. Right. Going across what happened.
Soon as the picture came up, it showed victims
of a tsunami were being washed up on the, on the,
the thing something terrible, right?
Mm-Hmm. Um, they had might have had two
or three of those pictures going off every
so often it would go blank again.
And, and it over and over
and over again, the heart on the nice pictures, you know,
the field and the butterflies
with nice flowing, you know, sign, wave.
And then all of a sudden it would change.
And the next picture of that popped up was, you know, uh,
you know, someone getting blown up by a bomb.
Yeah. Or something like that.
So if, when we follow our heart
and not allowing our brain to override it,
saying that's not logical.
Yes. Right.
You will be in a, the, the awakening process
will come at a much faster rate.
That's why staying in a job that you hate, only
because it's money and it's safe, it's tempera.
Yes. A hundred percent. You know, it, we're here
to experience life.
The good, the bad, the ugly, the indifferent.
It is so important to have those things. Yes, absolutely.
Because you become a more rounded human being,
spiritual being, um, you become much more compassionate
because, you know, everybody has gone through suffering.
Everybody has even the most insulated person.
Right. And that's why seed has
to be buried down in the darkness in order to have
that darkness for it to bloom.
And then the roots stay where they stay
under the ground underground.
Your roots in your foundation or underground
In the dark. Well, you know, the
native peoples, you know, the void,
the dream time, you know the void.
Mm-Hmm. You know, it's, it's like black.
It's first, you know, the void is black.
There's no light, there's nothing, it's the void.
And a lot of people are afraid of the dark,
but the void, you know, like in the Bible,
what did it say when creation started?
Well, the beginning was the word,
And then the word Was
God. Yeah. And the word was
God. And then what about the light?
Oh, uh, created the light and the light was good.
Right. Created light. Mm-Hmm. Right.
But without light, it's dark. Yeah.
Right Now, the, a lot of the native belief system was the,
the, the darkness, the void is where all the ingredients
of life, of, of existence was stored.
Think of it as the closet of creation. Mm-Hmm.
So when you bring light inside the closet, you're able
to grab out the tools.
Right. And that's,
and so it is kind what you were talking about earlier is
school and this, you know, being in school
and learning and everything growing.
And so when I was in public school from kindergarten
to 12th grade, and then on to college, you know,
I felt like I'd learned very little, you know?
And I felt like I was saying to you earlier,
when I got outta school, uh, in 2007, I, you know,
actually my awakening really took off.
'cause I no longer had to go to school.
I had a lot of free time. So I had a lot of time
to read books and
to scour the internet and try to find things.
But I would say in that time, from 2007 to now,
I have learned an astronomical amount more
about myself, about the world.
Then it, it is only a tiny fraction of anything
that I even learned in school that's even worth anything.
So, and I attribute a lot of that to
when the student is ready, the teacher, the master
Will Appear, the teacher, the master will appear.
Mm-Hmm. And what do you feel about that?
Because I feel like when I was humbling myself,
and in 2007, I was like, I just looked out to the universe
and I was like, you know what?
All I know is I came to this school, I spent a lot of money.
I don't feel like I ca I'm any more worthy to get any job
and make any kind of amount of money than when I got here.
Mm-Hmm. I barely know how to do a resume
and, you know, with a psychology
degree, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
And I just kind of looked out to the universe
and just said this, as much as I'm saying, talking
to you right now is, I don't know what the truth is.
I don't know what learning is.
I don't know what anything is. I don't know anything.
But I was like, if God exists, if there's something
to higher power out there, please really, you know,
reveal yourself to me in the most, um, just noticing way so
that I will see it and know it and have no doubts.
And if Christianity's it or Buddhism,
or if atheism is right, just show me.
And at that moment, that's when the
breadcrumbs came from me.
I have these epiphanies and revelations and aha moments.
And the breadcrumbs would come
and read this book and check this out.
And these really spiritual events,
and then people in situations and places to go.
And it just like, took off from there.
Yeah. I think a lot of times
those experience come is when you really stopped looking,
you started experiencing.
Right. Yeah. Alright.
And that's one of the things I, I recommend for people is
to start experiencing instead of looking like,
I'm searching, I'm searching, you know,
I'm searching for God, I'm searching.
It's like, no, just be Mm-Hmm. Right. Experience.
Be kind to yourself. Be kind to others. Right.
Forgive, be forgiven. Mm-Hmm. You know, ask for forgiveness.
We've all done messed up things. We've all done them.
I don't think there's very few people out there,
and I know there are some that are, you know, really,
you know, but they're, they walk the lines.
They're so afraid to be, to live.
They're, they don't want to offend anybody.
So they're not really living.
They're kind of walking on the top of the fence. Mm-Hmm.
They're not jumping to either side
or falling to either side.
Um, is to experience.
And if you make mistakes, you know, mistakes are
where we learn our greatest things.
Mm-Hmm. We don't like to make,
and we don't like to acknowledge 'em.
I'm, you know, I raised my hand there too.
But the thing is, is that sometimes
they happen no matter what. Mm-Hmm.
That humility is great. Yeah.
And, and someone can challenge you
with something like you were talking about earlier.
You can be challenged with something.
You can learn a lot when you, when you humble yourself.
And I be like, I don't know at all. 'em.
So when someone challenge 'em to something, say, Hey,
you know, that's a good point.
You know, I could see how that's, that's right.
You know, I can see how that makes sense.
Yeah. And, and you know, I,
I know I can get very stubborn when I'm feeling I'm right.
In a sense. You know what I mean?
But then I'll sitting there, but at the same time, a lot
of times I, I, I catch myself in my mind
and I start to laugh and I said, wow.
I'm, I'm being what I'm professing not wanting to be, but,
but that's part of the human experience.
It's about letting us grow.
Any questions on there or something?
I'm just looking Yeah. I'm
trying to find a couple more for you.
Yeah. Um, you, you know, again,
we here we are here to experience life and, and to do it.
Yes. Just be it. Not, not to play it, you know, 100% safe.
Yeah. No one wants to get hurt. Mm-Hmm.
It's funny thing you said earlier, but
If it's gonna happen, We're searching for God.
And like we're God's literally the one who's searching.
And it's, you know, how can you,
you can't find anything Right.
If you don't realize that. So you're like the kingdom
of heavens with all within us,
you know? And it's like, well, can you search
For air?
I mean, don't, I mean, it's Hard.
A simple example. It's hard. You
Can't, you Breathe in, we know it's there
because we were told it was there.
Mm-Hmm. Right. We were given a definition of what air is.
Mm-Hmm. We're given a definition of what God is.
We're given a definition of, of these things. Right.
But there's a, there's a force in the universe,
whatever you want to call it, that, that came together,
whatever it was that allowed this to appear Yeah.
To create, to, to just to exist in this framework.
And, you know, I believe in the soul, the spirit. Right.
That it's timeless. Mm-hmm. Right.
That I've had many lifetimes. I've been regressed.
I've, I've meditated and seen different things.
And some of it, um, was able to be verified. Mm-Hmm.
Some of the things that I've gone through.
Um, but that, that just shows that,
you know, we are of something greater than this.
Yes. I, I, I 100% believe in that. The reincarnation.
I've had many experiences and past life progressions
and visions and things that just led me to 100%.
I didn't believe it. To know
that we live over and over again.
We're born over
and over again to experience just too much to learn Yeah.
In one life. And it helps, it helps to play different roles,
to play different skin tones, to play different genders.
It helps all of that.
And I feel like, for me, I was,
I definitely was a female for a long time there.
And probably the last, you know,
more recent reincarnations have been male.
'cause that's what I need to learn here. Now.
I probably got pretty good at being
that female and learning those things.
And it's like, all right, man, we gotta balance you out.
You gotta be male. And so to learn that,
and I feel like in this life, um,
it made sense when I was a young kid going
to family reunions and wanting to sit with the women
and listen to them talk.
And then I would make myself go over there
and listen and sit with the men.
And I would do both. And I would listen
as long as I could for both of 'em.
But I always felt more comfortable wanting
to go back the women.
And I always thought that was weird, you know,
because, you know, other brothers
and cousins, you know, they're,
you know, kind of tough guys.
And I wasn't that kind of guy.
Um, and as I said, I just felt more comfortable
with the women, and I always wondered what that was.
And as I've go on in my life,
I realized I've always been
more comfortable in those situations.
It hasn't been probably in the most recent years of my life
where becoming a father
and, you know, really diving into this masculinity that I,
that, that, that's in this body for me.
And I think that's a really important
and really good teacher for me to learn.
Um, and it's been very helpful to dive into that
and to, to become, to be, to be that.
You know? And because I, I, I didn't feel like I had it in
as I was younger, but now it's like, man,
there's a lot of power in that.
And I feel like, but it's also too, I do have a lot
of feminine qualities and characteristics as well.
And I feel like in my job, especially,
it's always great to, because
You're compassionate, Compassionate and loving.
And then, you know, I can be authoritarian and I,
but I mean, people say I heard that term, you know,
the toxic masculine, I don't think there is a toxic
masculine, I think the absence of
masculinity, masculinity is toxic.
Yeah. So then, you know,
then you're controlling and you're angry.
But, but that's the masculine is loving
and protective and providing,
And that's what keep, you know, and
and secure your family. And Yeah. And now
That I have a family and children,
I'm like, there's a whole bunch of videos talking about
this on all types of platforms right now.
I watch them, I watch a lot of different shorts and,
and stuff like that, that, you know,
and again, it comes down to the words
and the definitions of things, um,
that have changed over the years.
That change meaning and or,
or take meaning away from something.
Mm-Hmm. And taking the power away of something.
Um, and,
and it's about how, you know, how do we communicate Mm-Hmm.
You know, um, if someone doesn't understand,
do you ever say, can you say that another way?
I, I might be taking this wrong. Yes.
We don't do that. How often do we
Do that in my
field? Actually happens a lot. Well, because
Your field, yes.
Because You're in a special environment.
You're in a different environment.
But I mean, that's the exception.
Yeah. Now,
but let's start teaching that rule to the people you meet.
Mm-Hmm. You know what I mean? Start passing it on.
That's one of our, that goal. We're all teachers, all of us
Teachers and students, And Yeah.
Well, yeah. You, you, you, you can only,
you become a teacher by being a student,
A good student. Yeah.
So I feel like when I was doing,
But it's not about grades, it's about experience.
Experience. It's about, um,
how you're bringing that into your body.
You know, when we go into relationships,
and this is also an awakening topic,
do you know the full background of your mate?
Right. Your significant other,
do you know what they went through?
Right. Have you discussed it?
How have you, you know, do I have those traits
of these people that you have felt abused by or hurt by?
Um, and is it,
and if I do have that trait, is it just a, a movement
or a tone of voice Hmm.
But not the action. Hmm.
You know, it is breaking it down
because I've, I've, I've had so many clients,
but also in my own experience,
because I have, um, the negative trait of,
especially when I'm tired of
using a challenging tone when I'm talking to people,
when I don't even realize it, it's completely subconscious.
That means I'm tired. And then people get, you know, upset
and they get, man, he's p****d at me or whatever.
And I'm not, and I'm thinking, I'm talking gently
and I'm not, and,
and they're, you know, they're getting
upset and everything else.
And then, you know, realized, well, you know,
I catch myself a lot of times when I start hearing it,
you know, I'm trying to be more sensitive.
Wow. You know, something, what I, the way I said, it wasn't
what I was, meaning this is what I meant.
Mm-Hmm. And I'm gonna go take a nap
because, um, I, I,
it it's gonna come out the wrong way, you know?
And that's about becoming self-conscious of,
of those particular things.
But we need to understand the people in our lives,
what they've gone through.
But it's, it's to, to have good conversations with them
and to understand where you're coming from.
'cause I literally had, um, some circumstances with clients
where they like to bust each other's chops.
You know, they like to make fun of each other. Mm-Hmm.
And, and it's normal and it's fun to them, you know, like,
oh man, they got me good today.
You know, that type of thing.
But when you accept somebody new into the group
and you start busting their chops, they got offended.
They got hurt. They, they, they got mad. They got angry.
They thought they were being pushed out when they were
actually being welcomed with open arms, because we love you.
Right. And, but they ran away
because in their life experience,
those stuff were the stuffs of attack and de degradation.
Right. And it's like, wow, I didn't know that. Mm-Hmm.
So then you sit there and say, when, you know,
when you start educating them on what your intention was,
if they'll listen, sometimes they get so hurt
that they shut completely down.
It's, you know, if you can get somebody to talk to them
and say, no, you were actually welcomed into that group.
They, they loved who you are. Yeah.
It's just that you don't understand their language on
how they expressed that.
It's like, my friends we're growing up. Oh my God.
People thought we were so abusive to each other.
We didn't feel it at all. We thought it was funny.
We cracked up. You know, it's like, oh man,
I got my butt chewed off with that one there.
Oh. You know, I use other
Words, but a lot of the ways that people are reacting
that stuff, and you were saying this earlier, is how we are
as kids, how we were treated as kids,
how our parents interacting with us.
Yeah. How they showed us love, or didn't show us love.
Exactly how they talked to us when, you know,
or didn't talk to us when things got bad.
Um, and how, and people don't realize when we were talking
about earlier, going back to those times
and really trying to find out,
and sometimes even asking your mom while your
dad, how was I as a kid?
What kind of things that did?
Things you might not remember when you're two,
three, or four or five Yeah.
And how things work because you're, there're the parts
of your brain that does the time is, is, is not relevant.
Mm-Hmm. So it's like someone hurts you
and you're three years old, and so now you constantly,
The trigger hits you. Exactly.
And so if someone make fun of me, and then, um,
or you know, whatever else it is someone, you know, uh,
I got control, control taken from me.
And I, you know, I felt all alone or whatever.
And so now I'm a controlling person because of that.
Um, those things happen
and people don't even realize that they come from childhood.
And Yes. It's good to revisit that, whether that's
with parents on your own, in your own meditations.
Well, asking yourself how, you know, asking the univers,
Hey, how can you help me with these things that I'm dealing
with and things that I'm not even aware of?
Help me be aware. And I think when we speak to God,
the universe like that, yes, those answers can't come
to you, but you have to get, to get, get
Real. Right. And,
and one of the tools that I use, you know,
when I do my work, um,
and for myself, um, especially, I was going through a,
a rough divorce years ago,
and I, I didn't understand why certain things went on.
So I sat in meditation and I prayed and,
and I asked, you know, God's spirit to, to, to show me.
Right. Um, so,
but without having any emotional attachment Mm-Hmm.
To it. So I said, like a third party observer,
please show me the dynamics of, of, you know,
what I did in my own life and,
and the sensitivities that created the triggers.
Right. And what went on in her life.
And they showed me mine and they showed like the family tree
and, and this person did this
to this, and, you know what I mean?
Mm-Hmm. I saw this whole dynamic come down on, on my side,
and then they show me hers.
And instead of being angry with what was going on, you know,
because I was, I chose to choose, I chose
to be in the higher path that, you know, what I looked at
what really mattered and what didn't matter.
It, it was not about fight.
It, it was like, it didn't need to be,
it was about what was right and wrong.
You know, what was positive, what was not what positive
that could have negative implications.
But what I, when I saw what went on in her life,
which she didn't talk about, I knew a little of it.
And then, you know, I was able
to talk a few years later more about it.
Mm-Hmm. To her.
I, I mean, during that whole process of the divorce,
I had more compassion.
I didn't have anger. I had compassion.
And this was this little kid, you know,
the, the hurt Mm-Hmm.
This was protecting herself and,
and trying to keep the bubble around her own life
that was causing, you know, but,
but being, using anger as the, the outlet.
Mm-Hmm. And it, and it didn't trigger me.
I didn't, I, no matter how bad it got, and the threats
and everything, I, I literally sat there
and I've said, you know, I would just
go, I'm sorry you feel that way.
Mm-Hmm. You know, I'm sending you love and light
and I hope you know that you can find the peace.
You know? Right. And, and I wouldn't go into that energy
and it was a conscious choice.
I could have been triggered. Mm-Hmm.
I chose not to be triggered
because I understood the dynamics of it.
And that's about what you're saying is
that sometimes you have to pray, you have to go look within.
And I looked at the things and,
and how something I looked cavalier in certain situations
because it, it didn't matter to me.
It was not a big thing. But
because of what she went through, this was a huge thing.
Right. And it created a rift
because, you know, I didn't have that kind
of experience in my life.
Mm-Hmm. I grew up with a pretty stable life.
I mean, I'm, I'm one of the lucky ones.
I had good parents and everything.
I mean, there were some things that I got
scarred from in there.
Um, but it was because of unconscious.
Not a, not because it was through anger or anything else.
Right. It was because distractions. Right.
And, and, you know, your example was perfect.
That's part of the enlightenment process. Mm-Hmm.
It's using everything that we've experienced, um, you know,
or the awakening process I should say,
that can bring enlightenment.
Mm-Hmm. Um,
and everybody has sparks of enlightenment within them Right.
This moment. Yeah.
And, and, and, and they've seen it, you know,
people have seen it in them before.
They don't, we, we don't, we might not have an easy way
to acknowledge it within ourselves though.
Mm-Hmm. Because then it puts a spotlight on us.
And a lot of us don't want
to be in the spotlight in that way.
Yes. Yes. You know, or put up on a pedestal.
Um, you know, when I taught a meditation class, you know, I,
I've learned a lot.
I've meditated a lot. I've, I've asked questions.
I've listened. Um, I've,
I've been wrong a million, billion times.
Mm-Hmm. You know, but, but,
but being wrong is not in a bad thing until, you know,
someone educates you and you find more information
and you're able to shift your perception
that's in line, that's awakening.
Right. Um, you know, not staying in the box
and, you know, we all have the potential, none of us,
when we come down into these bodies, um,
and even when we're in 'em, are no greater
or lesser than another being.
We're all having our experience.
And each one of us that we interact with is,
is our, is our teacher.
Yes. Our soul families, especially our friends. Yeah.
And even our enemies. And I,
and I've realized that someone who can be, uh, you know,
an enemy when you learn to kind of be humble and talk to 'em
and see where is it that we have discourse so I don't have
to feel like this anymore.
There's a lot of freedom that comes from that.
Um, and oftentimes the thing that you are upset with,
or the thing that makes you angry about them is something
that's going on in your life that you're kind
of judging or angry about.
Mm-Hmm. And you're projecting it on someone else.
And if you could only just let it go see them and, and,
and kind of release that by forgiving them, then it kind
of lets you forgive yourself
and become a whole lot easier to live life that way.
Um, and another thing you were saying earlier is just,
you know, all these people that we reincarnate with are
so families and our friends,
and, you know, these people we
reincarnate with over and over again.
Oftentimes those traumatic events that happened, you know,
for me, I would tell you when I was like six
and a half years old, a couple days
after Christmas, we leave Miami to go back to Georgia
and we were in a bad car, car accident.
And I was severely hurt more than anyone
else, but everyone else was this
One. You were pretty much when I was
paralyzed.
Yeah. And, um, you know, my brother wasn't hurt.
He fell in the back of a suitcase and he's fine,
but he still took certain things from that.
There was a bit probably of jealousy, not to be mean to him
or anything if you ever watched this, but I think
because I'm hurt and I get a lot of attention,
and I'm in the hospital for a long time
and I go back to my grandmother's house and I'm on the couch
and, uh, I don't have to go to school
for a couple months, you know, and all these things.
And, um, but I can't even get up. I have to p**s in a cup.
And you have to get, eventually learn how to walk and,
and talk again and go back
to school in a wheelchair after a while.
But he's jealous. And my dad probably has guilt.
And my mom, you know, everybody takes something different.
Yes. And I have the anger
because why did this thing have to happen to me?
And I was a little kid and now I have
scars on my face or whatever.
But those things, they all play beautiful, perfect roles
that we have kind of built up over time.
And then they become, eventually they become kind
of those sledgehammer blows that happened to us in life
that help you wake up and you need to take something big.
Pay attention to those events.
And if you've lost your joy, you've lost something back.
It's usually back in your childhood.
You have to go back and find it. Yes.
When did someone take away that innocence?
When did someone or
Take away your freedom? Freedom, give
It away. When did you give it
away? Yeah. When That's a big one too.
A lot of times we give it away
to someone else to be cool or look,
Or, or, or, or they seem to be the authority figure.
Sure. So we give our power away
because they know better or they know more, or
They're older than me and they're bigger than me.
Exactly. So yeah. They know more than me,
but no one knows more than you about your own life.
Mm-Hmm. So, yeah, this is an incredible topic.
I feel like we could probably go on and on and on,
but I'm sure at this point we're well over the hour.
Oh, wow. You know, I was, I was getting that hit
and you just did that, you know?
Yeah. That's, but I could, I mean, you could, you
Could. Yeah.
Definitely. And, um, like, give us five minutes
and does anybody have a, a question for either one of us
who on this particular one too?
Yeah. And We'll do that because I mean,
I was looking at Chris's, um, you know,
stuff on here just a few minutes ago.
And, um, you know, I don't know if I
Can down that screen, but it's scrolled through.
But we'll definitely go back on those on Ascension works tv.
So if you are Yeah. Watching this live on YouTube right now,
we will be doing Ascension Works tv.
Uh, and is
This, is this the YouTube full discussion one here?
This is Zoom, so, oh, that's, we'll close it out. Yeah.
And so if there's any, do you have anything else, Phil,
like, at least kind of bubbling up in your heart
that you feel like is really important for anybody,
maybe who's watching right now, who's waking up, who's,
you know, things are happening.
'cause at the same, we kind of made it all sound great,
but at the same time, awakening is a really,
A is Work. It's
work. It's a little bit scary. Yes.
It's facing sometimes the darkest
things that, you know. Yes.
That kind. It is. It's a hundred percent that, um,
awakening is a process
and most times you're not gonna even realize your awakening.
Mm-Hmm. It's just through conversation.
You go, where the hell did that come from? Right. Or Whoa.
Wow. Um, it's scary, you know? And I, and I like that
Ego's Getting this all.
Well, it does. It does.
Um, you know, the thing is part of the
what is true, right.
What is truth, right. We have truth. Right? Mm-Hmm.
But then you get more information
and you get another perspective.
Right. That truth, truth changes from what you knew as truth
now has other elements to it.
So that truth grows differently.
It changes, it moves on angles. Mm-Hmm. Right.
It goes in other directions sometimes.
So, and the only way truth, real truth can occur is
by listening to everybody
and all points of view of that object.
You know, the, the microphone
that's sitting right in front of us.
You know, those who are viewing the screen, see some things,
they see some knobs and stuff like that.
Right? Now, this represents the truth.
Now, if I turn this microwave, I hope it doesn't mess it up.
Yeah. You won't. Right here. And we,
and we go right like this, right now,
the knobs are in different locations.
Your truth. Now your angle of truth is different. Mm-Hmm.
But it's still the same microphone.
It's still the same core of truth.
But our perspective from our point of view, which is
through our life experiences and, and, and the things
and our education and all those different things, twist
and warp out truth.
Mm-Hmm. And by listening to say the questions
and the comments that are all on this, um,
having the conversations, whether you agree with it
or not, you know, the native people had the talking stick.
Mm-Hmm. Let the person talk.
Let them, don't just interject and fight with them.
Let them speak and listen to it.
And, and don't let that the mental part of you say no.
Just say, alright, I don't agree with that right now.
Mm-Hmm. Let me absorb it. Let me take it in.
Let me do some investigation on this. Let me feel it.
You know, it's like when you eat food,
if you just wolf it down, you don't,
and you don't let it really touch the tongue,
you don't get the taste of it.
Mm-Hmm. You're just filling
the stomach 'cause you're hungry.
Right. Right. But if you take it slow,
you can taste the spices in it and, and,
and viewpoints of the spices in our food.
Mm-Hmm. So we have to take our time to digest it,
to taste it, to let it pass through us.
And that's by observing, changing, you know, the, the
our viewpoint around the microphone.
And that's part of the awake awakening process. Mm-Hmm.
Is giving time to hear and to listen
and to, you know, to use not just the spiritual senses,
but also the physical senses. Mm-Hmm.
Yeah. I think for me, I, you know, people have things.
They're good at playing instruments, playing music,
And that only occurred a little over 10 years ago.
Yeah. For me, I feel like it's information.
If I have a gift, it is, I've been able to humble myself
and completely empty my bowl enough to know
that I'm like a beggar of spirit.
Yeah. I'm a beggar of knowledge. You know what I mean?
It's when our bowls are full.
When I know that this is the only way,
or that's the only way, or this is the only truth,
or this is the only thing I'm willing
to look at and my bowl is full.
It's like, God can't put
anything in that bowl for you, you know?
But when I emp it out and say, I don't know anything,
you know, please enlighten me.
Please fill me up with things
that are exciting and things that make sense.
And it's like all of a sudden, bam,
that's when my bowl is empty.
And I'm asking, that's when I get these, these, uh,
downloads and these things come through and it makes sense.
And I'm like, wow. You know, and I feel like
that's something that I'm good at, you know, and, and,
and anybody can be good at it.
I think a lot of people can be good at music
and you just have to really want it and try.
And that's what I do. I practice it or just
Be, just be, see, I don't practice.
I, you know, that, to me, that's a four letter word. Word.
All right. Prac I play. Yeah.
Oh, that's Good. All
because if it, if I don't find it enjoyable,
I, I don't, I generally don't want anything to do with it.
Mm-Hmm. You know what I mean?
I'll watch it, I'll look at it, I'll learn from the,
but that's not something that resonates with me.
I like, when I learned my instruments, I didn't consider
what I was doing practicing.
Right. I was working
to play at it sometimes, you know what I mean?
Mm-Hmm. But I was, when I learned how
to play the did do making fart
noises, at first I was laughing.
I was just, you know,
tears running down my face. That's 'cause I
Was telling You're playing.
I was playing, I was playing it.
Then all of a sudden I got a nice sound,
talent sound come out of it.
Then I was able to make these weird noises. Mm-Hmm.
And barks and all those, you know,
vocals where they call it.
And, you know, and when I play and I hear a rhythm
and I say, you know what,
I'm going on the thing I'm having a fun time.
Right. You know, I play my flute.
If I have to play a set piece a certain way
and stuff like that, I can do it a couple times.
But then I'm like, I don't wanna do this anymore. Yeah.
'cause my soul is following some, a roadmap. Right.
And my soul wants to be free. It wants to freestyle.
I feel that with information like yes, I'm playing
with the inner earth civilizations.
I don't have, it doesn't have to be real for me. Right.
If you can take that and listen to it for all
that it's worth, and then can I, can I play with it?
Can I put it together with some other things?
Does it go, does it work? Does it fit like a puzzle?
As if, you know, and it's fun. It's like, wow.
Then all of a sudden it feel enlight like, oh,
that does really feel well together.
Those things. Yeah. You know what I
Mean? Think could be,
you know, off air we were talking Mm-Hmm.
And you know, about all these different subjects when we
were talking on the phone earlier tonight, um,
that, you know, oh God, what, what, what was it that one
of the questions that you had asked me?
Um, well, I was saying that if,
if you can think it, Hmm.
It can be, you know, it's a reality, right. Because that's,
You can think it, that means somebody
already else. Right. Somebody out
There. Well, you know,
you're talking about, you know what, uh,
Thomas Edison or Alexander Grand, the one, the telephone,
um, it was
the patent was almost simultaneously put on Yes.
Exact, you know, in Russia. And here, I
Think it was a guy in Africa, but it
Was Africa or here, whatever, in another country.
Other, they're saying in
Another country, like on the same
Day, but on the same day within hours of each other.
Mm-Hmm. And it was almost identical.
They thought they'd stole the other ones. The other one.
Right. But there was no computers, there was no internet,
there's no phone system, obviously.
Right. They had, might have had telegraph,
but that's such a slow way of communication.
Mm-Hmm. Right. But that right there, you know, it,
it came from the ether.
It's in the field, man. Right.
It's in the field now, you know, creation,
you know this world.
But there are other societies before ours. Right.
There's ones that could have been
so far more advanced than us.
Yes. Right. So anything that you can think of that you dream
of is, was probably already in the
field at one point in time.
Mm-Hmm. And still floating around. Right.
And you happened to tap it.
I mean, I literally, when I was 12 years old, you know
that thing, the floss thing that has the, it's like u-shaped
and has a piece of dental floss.
Yeah. And it has the toothpick on the end.
Or I drew that in a sketchbook when I was 12 years old.
Never. I didn't know what to do with it.
I just, because my mom was like, you know,
always having a thing and I drew this little design,
it just sat in my sketchbook.
Then 10, 10 years later, my mom's like,
you know, pulls out this thing.
I said, oh mom, I invented that. Then she goes, yeah, right.
You know, just laughing. She
goes, you know, she's looking on there.
I don't see your name on the patent,
you know, that type of thing.
And, and, and I go, let, let me come back mom
with my sketchbooks.
You know where you put 'em because I was older then. Mm-Hmm.
And she pulls it out and I go through the pages
and I point it and I showed it to her.
She goes, oh my God, it came into my
field, but I didn't know what to do.
That's why I don't think patents really should exist,
because these are all ideas
that we borrow from the university.
And well, it's all about money. It's
All about money. And with that
Being said, yeah, let's move.
Well, thank you all. I don't know if we
answered any questions or
No. We'll answer some
questions after this, but let's go ahead
and close it out and then we will end
and we'll do the questions thing.
But for right now, I just wanna say thank you guys all
for watching being here live on YouTube
and Ascension Works tv.
Um, we're really thankful and I'm really grateful for John.
Beautiful man. And I enjoy every minute of tonight.
So thank you very much. And I just wanna say
to all you guys out there, wakening can be difficult,
but at the end of the day, it is a beautiful thing.
You know, the mountains are more prestigious and great
because of all the erosion and the wind
and the water that comes and makes them more profound.
And that's our lives, man.
Whatever happens to you, use that
to make your life more beautiful and tell a great story.
Because at the end of the day, we're all storytellers.
And how lame the story would be if you don't have challenges
and things happen and, you know,
sledgehammer blows the universe.
It makes the hero great to have that great enemy.
Um, or it doesn't have
to be enemy adversary, whatever you want to call it.
But it makes us that much better
to grow from these things that have happened.
So I want to thank each
and every one of you for being here tonight, going
through your awakening and being the kind of person
that you wanna see in the world.
Because it really does matter how we interact, how we talk
to each other, how we love every single one
of us has an effect on the field and on this planet.
And if we can just do that.
And just know that your interaction with the people at work
and people at school, your family letting go of the hate,
the anger, the grudges, and just be in peace with them
and love it, will snowball effect.
It will permeate throughout our world
and change it to the way we really want it to.
To not be divided, to not be divisive,
but to see all as one humanity as one in one world.
So I want to thank you guys all tonight for being here
and tell you, from the bottom of my heart, the divine in me
sees and recognizes the divine in
each and every single one of you.
Namaste.
Can I see one thing? Sure.
That's where it's gonna be cut off, but Sure.
You Oh, oh, I just wanted to give my contact.
I mean you can say out, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Um, for those who wanna contact me
or have any questions outside of the format, um,
my website is the interlight web.com.
I have the Interlight Center, um, in Colorado Springs.
And, uh, you know, I'd be happy to answer questions from you
and, uh, I wanna thank Chris and Ken, uh, Glenda
and Gregory on, was that Facebook?
No, they're on Zoom with us
right now on as essential work TV
On Zoom else is on there. Morgan.
Morgan, uh, Steven there.
So I want to thank you all for being on.
I've been trying to look at the different
things. Scrolling. It's
Hard to look at it same time.
Yeah, it is. Especially when I got old blast.
I sat on my yellow ones.
No worries. Uh, thank you all.
What we do wanna do right now is, um,
we are still speaking to all the people on Mm-Hmm.
YouTube live as well.
So we just want to throw a promo out there
to ascension works tv.com.
Yes. We will be ending YouTube live here in just a minute.
And when we do, the conversation isn't in there,
it will be on ascension works tv.com.
We will be opening up the panel to everybody to talk,
to share about their awakening,
to ask questions and all that kind of stuff.
So if you're really interested in that,
it's a great platform.
Jump on there. It's a small fee, but I think it's worth it.
And where we put our attention and
where we put our money right now is super important.
And platforms like that, people like that, places like that,
that's where we need to put our attention on.
Not, you know, big,
huge corporations that are taking over the planet.
Put it on these grassroots movements that are,
that are speaking truth
and trying to help the world become one.
So if you guys wanted meet us there would absolutely love it
and enjoy it and be grateful for everything.
And Cody, oh, Cody's there too. Yeah.
So we're gonna stop the live stream on YouTube.
Thank you guys all for joining us. You've been beautiful.
Love you all.