Yeah. Thanks Mike for joining us today. I'm thrilled to
have you. Thanks.
Yeah, you happen to be one of the top law on scholar students that
I know even starting the material for quite some time.
And you've also I'll go ahead I still
feel like a beginner, you know, it's like
So hard to get wrap your mind around so much of it.
Yeah, no, no doubt. So learn something new every time I go through
it, but
Yeah, so you you host a number of meetup groups between metaphysics
ET disclosure. Wow one
quite a bit. So you're pretty big activist in
the community. So do you mind just give us a brief overview of
how you got into the law of one and basically everything you're working
on these days? Yeah, it's well.
I guess I figure how to make it brief here is
a challenge I guess but
So I I found it about the law of one books through David
Wilcock his Project Camelot interview in 2007. And
that was actually like six months after I found
about Edgar Casey and was reading about all the Edgar Cayce readings. I was
diving into Casey ratings heavily, and it's like
His his energy kind of got me really excited to see you
know, where where I could go in
my research directions. I would just starting to do a lot of research and many different
UFO subjects. And so the the
law of one channel material seem like a logical
next step to be in researching heavily because of all the other
research I've done prior.
And and I it did not disappoint
me and I even had one experience where I thought
maybe I should try channeling myself.
and this is maybe been 2008 and
and basically it was as though I did some automatic writing
and it just said
like
read the read the law of one before you pursue this
kind of path and it was like it was
it was a very unusual experience for me. It's like I was
being told not to try this until I had
this other book under my
under a comprehension, I guess and now that
now that I have had that experience, it makes a lot more sense to
me that it's like this material sort of
served as a framework for me to process a lot of other things that were very confusing. It's
very easy to make missteps when
you're trying to
put many different puzzle pieces together that have
different philosophical backgrounds bases and belief
systems. And that's just it's just wild west
with ephology right now with everyone's different having different belief systems. And you
know as Dave Wilcox has said so many times. It feels like
a loved one serves a sort of foundation for a lot of other things to make
more sense.
So I started.
Going to meet up groups, maybe 2010 2011
and Southern California, and then I started hosting.
more meetup groups here in Colorado Springs
back in 2015-2016. I started
I took over a larger metaphysics meetup
group. That was just somebody was tired out from doing it and that kind
of got me an easy way to get a more attention for
other other speakers who I've hosted
through the metaphysics group, but
the ET disclosure meetup group is the
one that I've been kind of putting most energy on an
attention on and that's where we do the loved one discussion meetings and
we've discussed, you know, all kinds of experiences people have had with ETS
and
it covers the whole Spectrum. It's just so wild with what's
happening. You know, people are so used to listening on
the internet to a handful of people who who have amazing
experiences, but they don't realize that there's vastly more
people who don't talk about their experiences because they have they have
no way to they have no one to talk to and they sound
crazy. They don't even know about communities of
people who are open to talking about things and
You know Channel information ET Communications is one of
those subjects but a lot of stuff just sort of correlates and you get
to connect the dots when you talk to people who have other.
bizarre experiences like this
Yeah, yeah, they definitely it seems like you kind of almost give
them a place to feel comfortable to have those discussions because I've
noticed that too even through the law of
one group that I host. You just have people that come that really just want
to share some of these experiences and just have
someone talk to about a lot of this because it kind of like what you're
alluding to there is there's usually fear of ridicule and bunch of
other things when they come to this topic. So yeah. No, I think the
work you've done has been amazing for the spiritual Community
all together, but
and so recently you're still working on the Ascension Works dot TV,
right? Yep. Yep. I just
launched that site and 2021 and
yeah, I'm hoping to do a lot more content that's focused
around the law of one on there. It's a social network right now
and I've been a programmer. I mean that's kind of my main work has
been a web programmer since
2006 basically I've been working as a professional programmer. And so
I I'm really good at tweaking web
systems and apps and I made
a really good social network for the community there ascensionworks.tv. And
hopefully we can keep on supporting people with paid content
and free content to keep getting more and more kinds of high vibrational
educational content on there.
And keep a community building around really good information.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's definitely needed these days too. I mean
you look at the big social media platforms Just Between the censorship and
everything else going on with those people need
to another place to go to I guess where you're free from
that but also have other like-minded individuals part
of it, too. So, yeah, you got a
good thing going there and it seems like the amount of people on there. It's just growing
every day from yeah, I've seen too. So yeah, maybe a
few doesn't sign ups every day. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.
I know you're all so that's that's associated to
them the Corey good story, which is also fascinating. I
know he's bringing on quite a few people too with a
lot of content and everything. He's putting out. Yeah. Yeah, that's a
whole other tangent. We don't have to go into it. But yeah, it's
basically like I was very impressed by Cory gets testimony when he
came out of the scene 2014 and 2015 and
I've I've gotten so many signals from the universe so
many signs that he's he's legitimate and and
he's become very controversial and it's interesting
how there's kind of like a loved one
Community. That's kind of like
Tries to tries to kind of separate itself from a lot of the UFO community
and that's why I kind of have different meetings. You know, I have the
open ET meeting discussions and then the law of one
focused discussions because different people Vibe with different communities and
it is helpful that and in some cases to stay
focused on the spiritual texts and just and just focus
on the inner work, but a lot of people they want to know the bigger picture what's
going on with the nature of reality in the world around us
and I feel like you know, you need to get into The Whistleblower testimonies and
the the more exotic information about what's going
on. If you want to put all the puzzle pieces together, which is seems to
be helpful at this time because I think there's so
much that Rod didn't explain about this nature of the transition period
And The Harvest and the changes coming and so
that's why I found a lot of comfort and grounding from Corey Goods
testimony because you kind of explains that it seems to be connected to
you know solar event and it seems to be a lot of
of
Energy shifts in our Consciousness, which is causing us to become more
polarized at this time. And that's probably going to accelerate and
it's really nothing to be concerned about. It's just a process of
of people waking up and it might it might look
crazy and crazy on the outside but it's like this is giving us
our freedom back and giving us our ability to out of
free will choose our our reality choose the
fourth density Earth and a more co-creative manner as as the Consciousness
sort of is spun up into higher higher
levels of intensity.
Right. Yeah, and I definitely think I mean the more
material I study outside of the law of one just much
of it ends up tying back in and correlates. So
well with the law of one that I feel like that
ends up being quite beneficial too because it kind of explains things
and I guess other words or other ways that you know
Rod didn't use in some of his languages a little
difficult to understand that times but I I just feel the more
stuff I study like that you just you just realized everything really
is connected and I don't know entire things together
more for me. I know the market into everything but yeah.
So I guess from everybody dive into I
wanted to look at session 40.20 with use
since you are now a recent Father which congratulations again
by the way, Daniel, right? Yep. Daniel couldn't be
about 10 months old
now, so I'm still learning a lot still trying
to understand what what this agreement is that we
apparently made.
Yeah, yeah, so I
thought it might be kind of fun to break down a little bit of this session here
just because I feel like parenting is one of those things that wasn't really talked
about a whole lot in the wild one. It doesn't
really get discuss much in the community and someone I could
tell there's really only one or two quotes that that have anything that directly relate
to it. And this was the main one so
Um, yeah, I figured becoming break it down by sections here so
I can read the first part of it and we can talk about
a little bit from there. But perfect.
So yeah, I'll get into the first part here. It says the The
Entity child or adult as you call. It
is not an instrument to be played. The appropriate
Teach learning device of parented child is the open-hearted
beingness of the parent in the total acceptance
of the beingness of the child.
This won't Compass whatever material the child entity has
brought into the life experience in this plane. So
I'll end it there for now. But and give
a little bit of context. I guess that beginning part we're saying the
instrument is the child's not instrument to be played their Don was
asking about how to activate the energy centers basically
of the child and this kind
of sparked rather than to go into more detail, but I think
they're ultimately getting at that. It's just that the child
needs to do that activation on their own. It can't be activated by
the parent. But let's see if
you have any thoughts on that first part there and yeah, that is definitely the
most important thing about parenting is the open-hearted.
Nature that you're sharing the Open Heart of
beingness of the parent.
And the total acceptance of the beingness of the child.
and
Yeah, it's basically like three things brought up that I've been following as as
the guidance from from raw on parenting. And
and this is the foundational one is just keeping your
heart open at all times and they also say another person material, you
know that the most important thing we can do in service to
others in general is like the radiance of
the realization.
of the Creator the love of
the Creator as it is known to the self and in
this Radiance is kind of like
it's like the vibe that we're bringing. It's the vibration that the child
is picking up on and the more we stay in an open-hearted State. I think
the more easily, you know, my son can can connect to
me through that and and so I was
I was very
I don't know if I was paranoid, but I was very cautious about my energy
early on and I
I remember when my son was was born
and they were
it's kind of long story that I didn't want
to be at the hospital but through circumstances. I was required to be at the hospital
and they were they were a team
of people who had no compassion for my child where it was
cleaning him off is that right after came out of the out of the womb and
I I reached out and I held his his hand.
He wrapped his hand around my finger.
And and I felt like that was that was the moment of connection the
beginning of the strong open-hearted connection.
And it was like I was talking to him. I was trying to I was
trying to help him feel better about this situation and it's like
it's like we made a connection there that was like an open-hearted connection that
is almost like a telepathic link that through the
heart that that has lasted and I can kind of
go back to that place and we got to bond more in
the hour that followed that helped me kind of cement
that feeling in my system more and
um, and it fell to me that like
To an extent. This is me. This is this is a version
of me that just popped out of my wife and this is
called me to think she's a version of me too that I it's I've just
not.
she doesn't seem like me so often
that I forget that that she's a perfect mirror for
me still and my son is is a mirror
for
like the a version of me that was very very young that I
have lost connection to it seems
because you know all these layers of the world
weighing down on us over the years and it's
something I'm trying to process as a month's go on that he's showing
me aspects of my innocence that
I lost and then I have to find a way to reopen to
and I know that that's possible when I
when I get into his open-hearted nature and
my heart is open I can kind of
Feel his Joy a little bit more. It's you
know, so hard to put words on any of this.
Yeah. No, I mean that makes a lot of sense and
really that that is just truly beautiful and it's a kind
of almost a reminder that a lot of us need and I guess
a little bit along those lines. I was curious you hear a lot of people say after
having a child that they have
a different definition, I guess to unconditional love at
that point or that it's the first time they actually understand what that truly
means. So I feel like your comment getting to
that too. But do you think you're definition has changed it all
or is that open your eyes a little bit to it? Well, the
word definition to me implies words so far
beyond words. Um, it's like
it's a ladder that you just keep on climbing, you know as you
open your heart more and
I feel like it's a
it's a surrender to.
A deeper sense of the self too. It's a
surrender to sense of the creator.
It's a
And and I feel like it's an ocean you're swimming in you know, it's like
you can swim deeper
into the ocean and you can become the ocean and you can
have all these different experiences with your heart open
very hard to put in words though.
Yeah, no, I could definitely see that but it
seems like there's been at least.
What to think about a lot of experience that can be
can be obtained from from what you thought what
you've gone through there? So it's yeah definitely a positive. It sounds
like they'll all together. Yeah. Yeah amazingly positive and I feel
like I'm probably a different person, you know every month you might
my my son seems to be a different person every day as
he's evolving. But but I know that I'm probably
letting go of attachments and Ambitions even it's like
I have to watch him so much that I have to I have
to say kind of focused on him more than I would more than
I thought I wanted to be more than I thought was gonna be
necessary. And so that kind of like is
Forcing me to recognize. Maybe this is this is
a gift that I that I get to.
Play that I get to have this role as a
dad. This is this is Meaningful. This is this
is just
My honor responsibility now, that's another beautiful passage in
the long one that every responsibilities and honor and
every honor is responsibility.
And keeping those perceptions and balance on her and responsibility is
is essential and perceiving the nature
of our roles.
Yeah, yeah definitely in for people that don't know you
were extremely active with your meetup groups and everything. So it's
I'm sure that's probably changed a little bit of how much
you've done. But at the same time, like I said, maybe that was
something you needed a little bit of a change to I don't
know either refresh or to to grow further
at that point too. So it's also a nice excuse. Hey, I'm
just
I'm just making an observation. But I I know you're you're pretty
well consumed before not a bad way, but it was yeah, but along those
lines than at the last part of that first quote. We were
reading it's
About what experienced life
experiences that child has brought into this Incarnation. So
given any thought to that I'm sure you have but
it's just it's an interesting one to me because it seems
like that could be also different things between, you know,
mental physical different experiences or
anything to do with obviously relationships and stuff,
too, but
Yeah, I've given any thoughts of that
one.
Well, yeah, I mean
what?
maybe this could be interpreted in different ways because they say
the appropriate Teach learning is
the total acceptance of beingness of the child. And this
will Encompass whatever material a child entity is brought
into life experience in this plane. So I feel like you know
if the baby was born with
Some kind of defect like that's something that would require a
lot of acceptance work in a unique kind of way. So
I feel like my son is relatively.
easy to take care of and what he's
brought in right now feels sort of transparent and
pure so I don't really feel like I've had to
process his past life baggage or anything yet. I
guess although although he may have some more.
You know frustrations fussiness than
then I feel like I do but he's still
a mirror and it's like wait a minute. I think, you know, it's still
when he's upset and I'm upset that he's upset. It's because I have
to work through this in myself and he's got
a work through himself and it's still parallel growth that's
happening.
Yeah. Yeah, and I could definitely see there being more stuff along the way
too obviously is as he grows older and your relationship progresses in
that sense. And I think is also it
was session 50.5 or they talk about some that have
there's
green person pre-incarnation old choices made
between parent to siblings to all basically
the family related.
As well, so it seems like there could be obviously more
to come and other decisions made that right. You'll be
learning along the way too. So yeah, I can only speculate.
Yeah, it's like there's a
part of me that wants to you know, fantasize about me doing
a whole bunch of amazing schools and
Healing Centers or research centers with with
them and it's like what path is does. He really want
to take? What is what path? Is he on? And do I
have any way of predicting that will he be some kind of rebel and
just pursue something
completely different and I have a difficulty imagining what that
would be but I feel like I probably benefit from whatever it was that
you wanted to Rebel about. Yeah. Yeah the
whole there are no coincidences. So yeah.
Have to see so okay. Well great. Then I'll continue along with
the next part of that quote there.
So glasses there are two things especially important
in this relationship other than the basic acceptance
of the child by the parent firstly the
experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and
give things giving to the one opening Creator should have
possible be shared with the child entity upon
a daily basis as you would say
So stop it there again. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, that
one is kind of funny to me because it's like how
many of us have a daily practice of sharing
worship and Thanksgiving to the one infinite Creator and they're
saying if possible make sure you're doing this every
day to benefit the child the most.
Yeah.
But but so the meaning of those words is going to vary from
person to person here quite a lot and of
That I could speak for a long time on the subject
of Christian worship music and the nature of the the
toolbox of Christianity because there's there's a
lot that I have in that toolbox that
I've worked on since I was a kid my I remember
being in church as a kid and singing songs
alongside my parents and be like, this is weird. We
just singing now, we don't normally sing. Yeah. I
think this is awkward for my dad, but he's
doing it anyway, so I guess that's cool. So we
just sing right now, I guess.
So I've been singing worship songs in
my whole life actually and it's like I realized that
the you know, the only bottlenecks I have is is my
comprehension of what worship is.
And so right now I see worship is but they
say worship and Thanksgiving and so they're they're making the
strong connection here worship of the one for creators the same as Thanksgiving to a
degree and Thanksgiving is like gratitude. So
so the way in which we're grateful, it's like I I know that
I could be grateful for for food, but I know
that
I'm kind of jaded to the nature of
joy in food because of meeting my
whole life I guess so maybe I don't have as much gratitude
as a child would have for for sugar
or something like that. Um, but
finding more
spiritual or Transcendent ways to have gratitude for reality.
I think that's where you
get into this concept of worship.
when when you're sort of
Overwhelmed with feelings of gratefulness. I
think that's a state of worship.
Some people have difficulty with the idea of worship. I think
because of the idea that you're setting up
a kind of Separation that there's the there's the Lesser
and there's the greater one to be worshiped.
but I think that
worship is a process of of breaking down
some of those distinctions.
and an allowing
of the the nature of what we're grateful for to go
from being this material reality to being like this infinite spiritual
identity. And so we're kind of like it worship it
to me as an open doorway and the
more we're open to
What I would say is seeing in
terms of the sacramental nature of each experience, which is another loved one
Passage.
And it took me a while to make that connection that when they're talking about the sacramental
nature of each experience.
They're talking about seeing with eyes that are.
It if you haven't had this experience, maybe it's hard
to see but this is like a kind of spiritual perception that's opening.
that
is is pure joy and pure gratitude and
when you see that that's possible to have those
experiences.
Through every experience to see that she experiences in
those terms as like, this is a Transcendent powerful
gift to this. Very moment is a Transcendent powerful gift. That's
I think that's why worship
is is a category of
concept and also it was so beneficial beneficial for Carl ruckert.
Some people think that it was her Christian biases
and how much she was singing in her church that maybe influenced
raw using this kind of terminology a
little bit.
But I I align with Karl worker and
feeling a lot of value from singing Christian worship
songs. Of course, I have to like reinterpret certain phrases and I've
done that my whole life just worked on. What is the
interpretation that makes the most sense to me and that is speaking
to me and but
As far as my child.
I've tried putting on worship music and you
know, he can get into it a little bit. He's not
very excited to do anything for more than five minutes.
It seems yeah, but I think
that maybe we maybe I should try.
When we're eating food, for example, maybe we should I should try this
is something that this has been coming to me like I
should try.
Saying a prayer or expressing gratitude in some way before we
eat the food so that this thing which is this source of
immense Joy is not I guess prostituted is is one
way of looking at it. This is this is something that we honor and we're
we're very grateful for and we see the Creator in this in this
food. And then I think that'd be very helpful way to make it
a daily practice if we didn't 48 every time it's just
give thanks in some way.
Yeah.
Yeah. No, I think that's a great idea and I think your break down
then of what worship means and possibly mean
also is kind of important way to read this part of
the quote as well. Because like I said there tends to be a lot of religious
connotations to that word to that. Yeah, but it
doesn't necessarily have to have to mean just that it's a
little more broad. So yeah, my I really haven't considered
before the music side of things as well. I think that's
a great idea and
Maybe more subtle ways. But ultimately you're basically achieving
the goal then too of teaching teaching
worship at that point. So yeah, and it's very fascinating to me
because I feel like you know because I was raised as kind
of this fundamentalist Christian for so long. It's like
I had experiences as a kid that maybe
I couldn't have had if I hadn't been raised that way and that's I think that's part
of why they're saying, you know,
whatever means the parents using teach that because the
child can pick up on things the parent
can't even pick up on through these practices and the
traditional practices.
They they can perhaps pull from deeper layers in
the planetary or akashic mind that these these
principles that have been built upon like
a framework for taking steps
deeper and deeper into the mind.
I think religions do this a little bit and so they establish a
kind of pathway that you can take deeper into the
Reverence of the infinite Creator which is the self
and is beyond the self if
you're thinking of the self is material, basically.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I think that makes a lot of sense because
at least from from my perspective, I didn't grow up with very much
religious background or anything at all. So the concept of one
face and two worship. We're kind of foreign to
me and felt like that was something I had almost developed and
learn on my own through, you know, getting into spiritual
work and basically from the law of one's I
think that's at least some of a foundation that can
that can be laid there for yeah for then in that case your son
to work off of whether whether they realize it or not
at first but it's I could definitely see that being impactful and
we also give you know, Tibetan singing
bowls.
Oh, thanks sometimes. Yeah, and and
Koshy wind chimes that have really nice
Tunes to them. We get them into every instrument we can
get them into that sounds kind of like spiritual.
Tone for him that is cool. And
there's a lot of research too into the hurts then and the different sounds
that those make with other, you know benefits to
the mind and brain from there. So it's definitely could
see that being beneficial in a number of ways. Yeah.
Yeah, we might we might start.
teaching him songs once he's ready, you know making up her own songs,
perhaps
Oh, there you go. He's a family time too, right and making
some music together. Yeah.
Yeah, we can move on I guess. Okay, then
I'll do the I think just the last part of this quote here. So then
it goes on to secondly The Compassion of the
parent to child. I will be tempered by the understanding that
the child entity shall learn the biases of service to
others or service to self from the parental other
self. This is the reason that
some discipline is appropriate in the teach learning.
This is not apply to the activation of
any one Energy Center for each entity is
unique and each relationship with self and Other Self
doubly unique.
The guidelines given are only General for this reason.
So I think this kind of alludes into what you were
talking about there too that the child basically picks up what the
parent is doing between actions or
Yeah, basically, they're General Outlook, whether their service to
others or service to self whether it's some conscious subconsciously or
actively the child will pick up on that one way or
another. So it's a important to understand how you're
conducting yourself in the way that you go about your
practices and daily life. But yeah, yeah,
what do you think most parents have more
knowledge in this than me right now with disciplining children because I
think we're just getting started trying to comprehend.
um how to say no
and
And I I certainly I'm not sure if saying no
about.
he loves to pull on plants, for example, you know
if
We let him to a large degree, but that might have been a problem
that we're letting him. He just grabs everything and pulls and everything.
So is it a service to others bias when
we say no don't pull on that. How can he
breathe process that that's helpful to anyone it and
and so this is something I'm still trying to process and you know, we try to
redirect his energy towards something more that we feel like he
can do.
Whenever he's told no we try to redirect his energy
into something. That seems more helpful. But it's yeah,
it's just the beginning of me learning how to interpret
this port about this portion about discipline here because
It is it is hard to temper the compassion and
understand what that what that means and where
the limits are and should be.
So I'm just a beginner in this part. Maybe I've talked to me in a
year from now, but
Yeah, it seems like there's kind of a fine line there with that
one. But I just I do think that it's really interesting that Rod does
bring up the concept of discipline is appropriate to
obviously a certain extent here because I mean, I guess when
you think about it from a broad standpoint people if parents did
not do any sort of discipline then your your
child will would be running around doing whatever whatever they
want and getting away with anything where you know, you're almost
teaching the concepts of
I guess properly being of service to others and that there are
still right and Wrongs within this illusion we
are and I think it's important points
to that's it's that it should be brought up
and taught I guess from that standpoint, but
Seems like a tough one to experience and figure out where to where to
draw the line. Yeah. Yeah, it seems
like this is just process I guess of
mental development too. It's just
can he understand what I'm doing and why I'm doing it and what
he is doing why he needs to do it.
And I I guess I don't really know.
The relationship between the mental work and
the spiritual work when it comes to discipline is fascinating to
me, or maybe there's no there shouldn't be a distinction drawn.
Um, yeah, but it seems like I can I can let's say
he gets older and I'm telling him he always we always
go down and help the homeless people or whatever if if
we create if we could have family habit, you know,
does he does he just end up seeing that as just an
obligation and he doesn't have any open-hearted love for people and
and it's a it's an open question as to
how much we can create systems of service
to others.
out of a sense of discipline that aren't actually
really benefiting the the soul and
they're just sort of making us more
jaded to the process. But
I think that you know
interaction with people is probably a little bit different than
you know interaction with some kind of
obscure religious practice that doesn't necessarily have a
connection to service.
So
Yeah, yeah, I could see that one going kind of a few different ways like you
were saying like the volunteering and those kind of things that could almost
then end up feeling like an obligation to them or they got
almost distilled that that and learn for
themselves and how to I guess what what
seems right for them and how best they
can be in service to others, but I guess I not having
children. I don't know but I think that probably exposing them
to use at least the first step and yeah in allowing
them to make that decision. So yeah.
yeah, that's something I feel like I
it's just there's almost no other way for me to keep him happy
other than just keep you can keep giving my child new experiences every day
and just keeping him interested in the world.
And and I know that you know as he finds
new joy and things I can.
Recognize that I can have more joy in things, too.
And it's a little mysterious to how that works. But certainly
being in nature is
is one way that's more obvious that it's
he likes being outside more than inside almost without
exception and and when
I'm with him outside, I feel better too all the time. So
yeah, it's
there's a lot to learn just from trying to make him
happy.
Right and yeah, like City picking up a lot on the way and kind of
learning of some of these new connections and I'd even
call some of those energy transfers at that rate too. So it's obviously having
a positive effect in one way now they're
Yeah, kind of a random question along this line. I
was talking to a friend about the other day. But just curious to
see what you think. You think you'll directly expose your child to the
law of one when they become of an age to learn or
like I could just see there being a number
of paths to go about this without directly, you know getting into the
material because then you could be potentially creating your
son to become an outcast or you know, as one
of those weird kids in school or do you see, you know,
I'm just trying to think about a couple different standpoints because
it seems like most people you talk about this. Oh extraterrestrial
channeling you kind of come off a little crazy. So
um, I don't know put any thought to that but just well
the thing that's most important to teach him on that point is
what they say about Jesus and they
say that Jesus would always speak through a veil and I
feel like you know, I didn't get any teaching like that when I was a kid that sometimes
it's important to
speak based on what people are benefited by hearing and what they're what
they're requesting the level of the request.
Of people around you should determine how you're interacting with them. You don't
come in with pride. This is my belief system. You come in
to an environment in which people may or may not be asking for help and when
they're asking for help, then you give them help in the way that they're asking
for help. So that's yeah, I think
a way to avoid any pitfalls around being a
weird person but
I think we expect him to be weird and my wife
and I were talking about the
law of one the words of all the time. I don't think he can avoid
it or of course Miracles we go through
that and and the Bible. I mean, it's like everything.
That that we enjoy he's going to end up being exposed to very early
on so we're excited to get him, you know learning about
everything.
Yeah. Yeah, and I think what you're kind of getting out there too is basically honoring
the Free Will Free Will of others from that stands too. So
if you're interested in something they they will open the
door to begin the conversation and yeah take
it as far as appropriately. Yeah ask for
yeah. I wonder if he can create Parables on the Fly
better than I can that would
be impressive.
Yeah.
Well, I think one other topic I wanted to kind of talk to
you by a little bit here on the respectful of your time as well. But I
know you were had just gotten one of the last times we talked
the Golden Dawn book and it's kind
of been looking at more practical practices that raw
gives in the material there. And so kind of
tying both those together. I guess. Do you have anything that you found
to be beneficial or any sort of
recommendations from a
Practice standpoint that I'm talking about the white magic stuff.
Yeah between the white magic or just in general other
practices that raw gives in the material that you found
to be beneficial in your spiritual journey
there.
well
There are a couple things that were White magical
rituals in the law one that were
beneficial to me and one of them was the ritual cleansing
around the house.
and
that involves using salt
and holy water blessed blessed
water sprinkle along the salt with given
intention for protection of the home and garlic cut
garlic hung in
different locations. I've been using cut garlic for
over 10 years, you know where places where I've
lived if I feel like there's a very bad energy in a particular room. I'll
get garlic in there.
and
And they also strongly recommended to
banishing banishing Ritual of the Lesser pentagram. And if
I have my own version of that and I feel like I've you know
it there's so many different versions of that that particular
banishing ritual. I think that people are
It's good for people to do what they think that.
Feel resonates with them and if you have to tweak something for
it to resonate with you, I think that's that's appropriate. So I've
experimented with doing variations using different names
of Jesus for example, and you know,
that's sort of what the law of one team did when
they when they opened up the the
name of Yahweh yod. Hey
Bob. Hey, they they
threw in Sheen in there yoh. Hey Sheen vavy
and and that's like the Hebrew consonants for
the for the name that that was Yoshua. And so
it's like the name of Yahweh the name of your host you have this connection in
the Hebrew language around that that extra
Edition and that's that's a
fifth.
Hebrew sound so so I've tried
doing a Yoda, yod. Hay
shin-wave.
As a as a part of a ritual
like that. I think that's that's a quick solution. I
think to
getting to the heart of of the of the principle of the
benching ritual but I think people have to do what what is resonating
with them on a deepest the deepest level that they can they can
get to
and that's so you
know, they
Rock even gives the impression that you know with Don
Don Elkins having studied some of this material he
was still like a neophyte just
where they they made it sound I think is um,
so I think
working with
the Deep Mind is what we're really talking about and tapping into
the deep mind is is really only possible
through a lot of meditation and a
lot of introspection and self-awareness and
you know pondering on
what are the
What are the deeper characteristics of our nature that we
that we can draw on that it's so hard to put into words. But
but when you're drawing on those those deeper foundations through ceremony
or ritual.
You can continue to reinforce whatever it is. You're trying to.
Build and plant in the Deep Mind. So for me
the love of Jesus is like a very clean and
simple thing to focus on that I can plant
with with intention and I
can I can see Jesus in the center of my heart.
I can see all of my love is coming from
Jesus when I see Jesus in the center of my heart and so that's
been kind of a useful way to way to
perceive some of
These these practices that are more structured because
I can I can come come back to that
grounding and come stay grounded. I feel like there's a lot of
negative entity Temptation still people are facing and
I feel like the name of Jesus is is a
way to cut through some of
the negative temptation, but I think that there's also
You know somebody other things that resonate with people that can get
them deeper and deeper into this deepest of Love within their hearts
that people kind of have to be experimenters. People
have to be Pioneers in their own.
have spiritual Evolution they have to be
You know explorers of Consciousness in their own way.
So so starting with something like the Golden
Dawn and the raw contact I think is great and reading
through if you go to love one dot info. You can click on the white magic
section and get a sense of
all the stuff they were talking about and
How you know it's it's really about conscious use
of the unconscious mind and we're
walking around. So so unaware
of the patterns of the subconscious behaviors
that we're in that that to start
to put structure on on how we're approaching reality
and our mind and our spiritual evolution
is like this. This discipline that is is
like lacking by default. We have to we have
to start to figure out how to become disciplined.
Through Awakening to the fact that we want to become disciplined
and that that's valuable thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's a that's a key teaching and
something I've been trying to focus on more lately myself is actually going through
some of the practices that were actually given in the material
instead of just kind of learning philosophy. It's
it's kind of I guess the implementation of that then and I
think one of the other benefits I've seen that I believe Robinsons
as well was doing some of these rituals and meditations
and everything. It's doing them in a consistent location
time and a few other factors too
where you seem to strengthen, I
guess the effectiveness of those either rituals or
meditations and all and I know that's been one that seems to
have been beneficial at least for me to
yeah.
Yeah.
So I guess probably just
ask you one more question then for now. I just wanted to
see I guess from the standpoint of activism in this world.
We live in have you been doing much lately from
that sense? And how have you been incorporating the law of one from
aspects of forgiveness and love into any sort
of activism from from that standpoint just
because we're in a very polarized atmosphere these
days so
I've gone back and forth on my feelings around activism
and what's most needed right now.
you know, so I I did do a
What could be called protests? I was holding up signs and giving out
DVDs and like space Symposium the largest space
conference. They have here in Colorado Springs and I did that at the Schreiber Air Force
Base here and and to me that almost felt like
It's like it's almost too good not to you know, share people
this testimony from the people who worked underground river
Air Force Base. It's like it's it's funny how blind everyone
is to the deeper picture of what
really goes on and the secret
space programs and I feel like so the
reason that this this whole disclosure side of the thing made
so much sense to me from a spiritual perspective is
because it feels like people are kind of like
their sense of mystery is dying people are losing their
ability to be excited about anything except for
fiction.
it or at least
mundane aspects of life that are sort of
I feel like our ability is society to
reach out and help those who are needing help
the most people who are not being served in our community
is is
it were unable to help others when we're
asleep when we're sort of blinded by our
own comfort and I feel like
Two degree, you know ignorance is bliss. But also
when you're when you're given a deeper source
of Truth a deeper.
window into a mysterious realm
such as the UFO subject or
a deeper kind of spiritual teaching
those those doorways can can make
a person come alive and come awake and become activated and
so activism to me is
kind of like about activating and Awakening others.
and
do it knowing the right way to do that is is half the
battle, you know.
So meet up groups are obviously what I thought were the
best way to because it it's like it's always
got to Be Free Will based and so if I've got to meet group
people can go and meet up if they want. They can see what meetup groups are on there
if they want and they can come to mind if they want.
and and then get as many
Rabbit Hole Trails as they as they want when they come to the meetings. So
I recommend getting connected to local
community Through meetup.com is the best thing people can do still and
you're doing it too. You're doing a great job now. I guess you've got
your own.
Yeah, yeah, we've been doing the Denver base there and we got a pretty good
amount of consistent people coming too. So it's been yeah, it's
been a lot of fun and I didn't realize how much I needed that aspect
of it too until actually kind of being cooked pushed to
create that group a little over a year ago now and just getting
the other perspectives and kind of
breaking down some of the materials similar to like what you're doing your group was
just there's been just so much at least.
I know I've gained and I hope others have as well from from doing
that because you can sit through and read this material all
day long, but I think I think it's really important to get
some other your other selves opinions on on a lot
of these Concepts and some of the ones that are even harder to understand yourself.
It just seems to be yeah one of
the best ways to actually break it down and yeah for their
further your journey that way and it activates you doesn't
it when somebody has a new interpretation you didn't think of yeah. Oh
my gosh. I was just telling one of my friends the
other day when we were leaving the group. That's that drive home for me. So we do
a meet up in person. So then the 20
Drive home for me. It's just flooding with
first of all love and joy, but two, it's like just kind
of distilling everything that just went through and always other
ideas and got to get out the pen and paper and kind of
write it down. So it's just been yeah, it's been
very beneficial from that way. But yeah, yeah, so
I guess people want to try to find you or reach out
to you at all. Do you have any sort of social media or at least I know you're
on ascensionworks.tv anywhere you'd like to direct people. Um,
my main website Mike Wisconsin Comm has a way
to contact me and as blanks to
other stuff I've done and that's in my ke w a
s k osky.com.
Okay, great. Well, I'll eat that put that in the
show notes as well for this episode. But I guess
I have one last question for you. This is a fun one and
I'm curious to get people's opinions on this but if you have
the chance to ask raw one question, what would
you I know it's kind of a tough one. But what do you
think you would ask or what would you like to what would you like to know?
That that is incredible. I have so many that I thought of and
I forget because it's like to be a nice state of mind works like
oh my gosh, if only if only done Elkins and ask that question,
yeah.
so
I mean the the transition period is super confusing.
but I don't even know if I would have asked about the transition period
it's like and intelligent Infinity is confusing and
crystals are confusing and healing is confusing. It's like
there are there are areas where they started
to explore but they didn't they didn't quite
get to the meat of what would have been needed for.
the teaching
Right, but they sure did Cover a lot. It was is pretty
impressive how much?
They did Cover.
You know gives us a heck of a lot to go off of but I
just know at least me personally when I started listening to the material again, my
my answer changes almost daily when I yeah, I started
thinking about it. But the healing is when I was thinking about
recently too just that process of it is obviously what
they Define as healing is a much more involved practice
and it's yeah,
I think that would be one of the ones at least I know
personally I would like to get a little more information on because they start
the book off that way because Don and Don wants
to become the Healer at that point and then we start diving into everything else
from there. But yeah, so I
won't put you on the spot any longer, but I know it's just yeah, I
know that's that's really good one. It's like
could ultimately I think we can get glimpses
of answers and I think there's a lot of stuff raw, you know,
it's almost like the best questions that that I
probably would really want to answer wrong wouldn't
answer because of the preservation of Free Will component that it's
really our own journey to figure out
I guess we have to we have to take the baby steps
to get to the point where our intuition is telling us
the truth in that area already.
Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. And that's kind of
what I was just talking about previous and one of the previous podcasts
here that just kind of raising the collective Consciousness is
probably one of the greatest things that we can do
for developing either discernment and/or bringing in
this positive fourth density experience or is
really kind of the basis because you see things
them through a different perspective and elevating. Everyone else's Consciousness
is really what what
what I think this is all about and getting into the
density of love and understanding but obviously I'll starts with
with your individual self and then raising your own awareness from that point,
so
Yeah complicated process. But yeah, so yeah.
Well, thanks Mike. I really appreciate you coming on today. This was
this has been great and I hope we can do it again soon. Obviously,
there's plenty of other topics to dive into and
I love being able to draw on your knowledge base since yeah,
it's been a lot of time researching and it's crazy how we try to
cover so much and they in a meeting so many different law of
one passages. We barely covered any and this so yeah,
we really needed. I think we should record a whole lot more
discussion about a whole lot more passages.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll be a
lot of fun. And like I said kind of opens up a lot of our eyes
to different different sides of things, too. So yeah, maybe even
looking at the healing process could be a good one to yeah jump on
to you next. But yeah, well, thanks
again. I really do appreciate it. I think this has been excellent. So yeah.
Hope you have a good evening and we talking
to you soon. Thanks a lot. You too. Thanks for listening
everybody.