Thank you guys for joining us again for Love.
One Deep Dives, we are gonna talk about the
sixth major arcana archetype today called the Lovers,
and it's also called the transformation of the mind.
And we're getting into material now, which was less,
he less in depth, discussed by raw.
Although what they gave us with the interpretations
of this particular major arcana image was enough for us
to chew on probably for two hours.
We'll see how it goes. But the,
I think the bigger point here that this transformation
of mind is pointing us to is that, uh,
tr transformation
of the mind does not happen without a choice of polarity.
So inevitably we'll be talking about the discussion
of polarity, and we'll give, I think we'll start out
with a little bit of recap of the nature of archetypes
with one of these, uh, quotes so that we have some, um,
more grounded initial, uh, review of what, of
what this transformation is in the context of
what we're discussing here with the
archetypal nature of transformation.
And, but this is very open.
Uh, I'm open to your suggestions of
what directions we should go in with the, um, discussions
of polarity and the discussions of the choice,
which I think are still interrelated to this.
And, uh, in general, anything
that comes to mind we can probably touch on.
Um, so I thought we could start out with, uh,
session 77 here.
I'm gonna load it up and then share my screen.
Do you, did you guys have any comments to start, start with?
Nope. Ready to dive in. Go ahead.
That's it. I'm ready to dive in.
Oh, no, I got a, um, uh, just one of these quotes
that the, that John Anthony West was saying about, uh,
Egypt, because the, the whole program has this undertone
of him basically saying, you know, the traditional
philosophies of ancient Egypt and the pyramids and the ISTs
and all that, you know, they're just not getting there.
They're not getting to the, to the point.
And even in some points, it's like obscuring what the na,
the true nature of their culture and their living was.
And one of the lines that he said was, he said, consider
that the ancient Egyptians, uh, or,
or the ancient Egyptians considered the whole universe
as an act of magic transforming consciousness into the
material universe, which I just thought
was beautiful.
Yeah, yeah. That's great. That's definitely
what we're talking about with the transformation
of the spirit, especially.
Yeah. I, I wish that this guy John Anthony West had read,
read the raw material, and we could have got his take on it,
but as it stands, I think I'm just gonna have to go back
and look through his work and the people that he studied
and kind of try and apply it.
Yeah. Yep.
That'll be, uh, maybe another session to dig deeper into
what we can with the, uh, the, the studies
that have been done into the Egyptian culture
and everything relating to their symbolism.
And we're just guessing to some degree without having that,
that level of study that hopefully are providing
the window that we, that we need.
Uh, Nick, you've been very helpful.
Alright, so session 77
I thought would be a good place to start.
I will share the screen, um,
and we'll start out with,
I thought this was helpful, uh, to cover,
because they talked about in this particular passage upon
the foundation of transformation of each complex
with three wheel guided
by the root concepts offered in these cycles,
the logos offered this density, the basic architecture
of a building, and constructing
and synthesizing of data, culminating in the choice
so that the architecture of our reality
is partly built upon a foundation of transformation.
And so, I'll, I'll read this whole, uh, passage again
so people are maybe new to this, could have that background.
Um, the, the question was about respect
to this particular logos
and our sun, uh, which would be the sub logos,
and creating the experience of the planetary system
with sub sub in it.
Um, this was in the context of discussing the plan
of this logo's first creation
and the philosophical basis that is the foundation for
what was created in this local creation
and the philosophy of the plan for experience.
Um, and then raw finally got around to that answer here.
Um, we shall begin by turning to an observation of a series
of concept complexes, which
of which you are familiar as the tarot.
So in order to answer the question about the plan of
the philosophy, the plan
and philosophy of our evolution, they, they turned
to the tro the philosophy was to create a foundation, first
of mind, then of body, then of spiritual complex.
And which is, that's kind of backwards from the idea
that everything started with spirit.
But that's also another discussion to have.
Why, why is the comprehension of, of this architecture
built upon the foundation of mind
and then body and then spirit.
Um, but the, the,
those concept complexes you call the tarot lie,
then in three groups of seven, the bin cycle seven, one
through seven, the physical complex cycle eight through 14,
the spiritual complex cycle 15
through 21 in the major arcana.
The last concept complex may just best be termed to choice,
which is also called the fool upon the foundation
of transformation of each complex, meaning the mind complex,
the physical complex, the spiritual complex,
the transformation of mind, the transformation of body,
the transformation of spirit with free will, guided
by the root concepts offered in these cycles.
The logos offer the density, the basic architecture
of building and constructing and synthesizing of data,
culminating in the choice.
And I, I also have trouble comprehending, uh,
transformation without the choice.
Um, but we'll, we'll dig into that a little bit too.
But they say all of this is, uh, form of data for,
it seems as though this is how the, the intelligent
infinite intelligence of the, of the galaxy of the creator
decided to make this plan so that it would lead to choice.
It seems to be that's, that was part of the function
of this architecture of even transformation itself is,
is pushing into choice.
Um, and we'll, we'll, we'll touch on that later
with this discussion of the lovers, which, which has as, uh,
the image shows the, the, the male figure
seemingly having to choose between two different
female figures.
And we'll, we'll, we'll touch on that more,
but this is the process of transformation is, is sort
of rooted in the pushing towards a choice.
Uh, not to jump ahead, but it just came screaming at me.
I never noticed it before, but you see under their feet,
that l that v
Yeah.
They say in one of the sessions, we're gonna go over,
consider the fact of, consider the triangular shape
that the shoulder and the elbow make
to be the symbol of transformation.
Right. And they're standing directly on it.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to that one, I think in session 100.
Yeah, it's a little ways down,
but it just came shooting out at me.
Yeah, yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll touch on that when we get
to that, the, the different triangles in this image,
what they, what they represent.
While we're talking about the choice, uh, I would like to
submit as I have, I think occasionally in the past, that
I do believe that this is all choice.
Um, the, the entire cycles of archetypes apply
to every choice, both unconscious
and conscious that we're making.
One, I think that's, um, important to remember
because to your point, Mike,
about being driven toward choice, there is, um, one concept
of the multiverse that's driven by choice.
And for some reason that's always, uh,
or it made sense to me for a long time.
I don't know why I seem to tie the, the branching off
of a new universe to choice.
Maybe I heard it or read it,
but it's, um, certainly part of, uh,
current quantum mechanical theory.
And, uh, that would also be transformation.
I think every time a choice is made in a new physical
universe sort of branches off from there, you've got this
death and rebirth of, of physicality itself.
I guess it's interesting to think that the choice
of the logos to explore it necessitated,
uh, a further comprehension of choice in as a portion
of what it was exploring.
So it, it does feel like the architecture has more
components than choice in order
to flesh out the chosen experience, I guess.
But it makes sense. Make choice is always make
So that you can understand the choice, I think,
and right through transformation, apply that in a more
efficient way next time so
that you can make hopefully greater advances
in your transformation.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think there's different levels to like transformation
that will kind of get to in
some of the quotes there as well.
But you can transform, say, anger, some
of those feelings there, but that maybe doesn't necessarily
culminate in the choice.
But the final, uh, transformation I guess is making of
that choice to be of service to others of service itself.
You're just kind of building up on these,
I guess I'll call 'em smaller transformations
as you go, it seems to me.
Yep. Um,
Ray had a question about the choice in polarity,
and um, I think it's kind of two halves of the same coin.
I do think that we, we consciously choose our polarity
as we gain an awareness of what polarity is,
and that it is an option.
And I also think that polarity is reflected in the
awareness of each of our choices.
So when we make a choice that is in awareness of the oneness
of all things, that choice will reflect
and increase polarity toward, uh, the positive path
as opposed to, uh, making a choice
and an awareness of separation, which will, um,
perhaps either depolarize us
or polarize us toward the negative.
Yeah. I think also, uh, we'll, we'll, um,
I don't want to keep jumping ahead,
but la in one of the later sessions, right?
I think it'll be a little more applicable with the way
that they describe radiant and absorbent.
So when we get there, I'll, I'll expand on it.
Yeah, we could do that one next.
Um, I was debating if we should do that later,
or the start talking about polarity specifically.
Um, session 93.3,
the question was the foundation of our present illusion.
We have stated previously to be the concept of polarity.
I would ask that since we have the defined the two
polarities as service to others in service to self,
is there a more complete or eloquent
or enlightening definition
or any more information that we don't have at this time on
the two ends of the polls that would give us a better
insight into the nature of polarity itself?
And Ross said, it is unlikely that there is a more pithy
or eloquent description of the polarities of third density
than service to others in service to self,
due to the nature of the mind.
Body, spirit complexes distortions towards perceiving
concepts relating to philosophy in terms
of ethics or activity.
However, we might consider the polarities using slightly
variant terms in this way.
A possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some,
one might consider the polarities with the literal nature
enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet.
The negative and positive with their electrical
characteristics may be seen
to be just as in the physical sense.
It is to be noted in this context
that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act
or an entity just as it is impossible
to judge the relative goodness of the negative
and positive poles of the magnet.
Another method of viewing polarities might involve the
concept of radiation absorption.
That which is positive is radiant.
That which is negative is absorbent.
I think that's where, um, you know,
Ray was asking, uh, he said, what does it look like?
Or what is the experience?
And I, I think that it, it, it's,
you couldn't really define it
'cause it's constantly happening.
Like every choice you make,
every thought you have is constantly adding
to your polarity, swinging it back and forth.
But that, that, uh, concept of radiation
or absorption, if you were to picture yourself as a being
of pure light, and the more service to other cells you do,
that light gets brighter
and brighter, you know, more radiant
and the more service to self that you are, you know,
the more you're, you're sucking the light and,
and the love out of everybody else,
but it's really making you darker, you know?
So that would be like a visualization as to
how it's affecting you or what it would look like.
I'd like to go to the, to the previous, uh, paragraph,
maybe in reverse order.
I think the last clause is pretty straightforward,
uh, because you wouldn't describe a negative
or positive pole of a magnet as good or bad.
That part makes sense. The clause
before that, I mean, I'd be lying if I didn't say that.
I, you know, I'm flat out like, you know, resistant to that.
Maybe not intentionally.
And I certainly want to accept the impossibility of judgment
more broadly across the board.
But in this case, to say that you can't judge the polarity
of an act, um, like murder to, are they saying
that you couldn't tell whether
or not that was a, a, a, a choice
that would accrue positive polarity
or negative polarity by looking at it?
I mean, there's certain things that you could look at that,
to me, it would be like, well, how could you not see that as
a service to self action, even though, um, you know,
deciding to judge it that way is less helpful,
but they're actually saying that it's not possible.
How do you guys feel about that?
I think that he said it earlier,
you're falling into the trap that he laid out.
Exactly. It's like, uh, where does he say it?
You've, you perceive concepts relating
to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity.
You're perceiving it in a term of ethics right there.
It's so difficult for us to Oh, I
See what you're saying. Okay. So
then let's say,
let's say somebody is outpouring energetically in some way.
They're, um, giving of themselves in time or energy
or something, uh, to that effect.
So you've got a yang, you've got an outward affirmative,
energetic flow, which again, to me is still pretty evident.
You can see the flow of energy,
even if you're not looking at it in terms
of motivation, right?
You're not deciding why somebody might be outpouring energy,
but versus somebody who's sitting, um, in receptivity
and meditating, for example.
That would be a very yin energy to be in.
And it, I don't know, it just,
that does not seem impossible to,
to see the flow of, of energy.
I'm, I'm not totally sure the, the best way to, to, uh,
address this, but I, I do believe that there are, um,
if you think about what they said about the, the moonlight
and the, the steps in the moonlight are, are
so precarious, it's so easy to, uh,
be misled in the shadows, uh, to, to see a false light
that is not the true light.
And the true light, you could say on some level is
that we're always looking at the one infinite creator.
There is no right or wrong, no good or bad.
No, I agree with clarity,
I agree with that wholeheartedly, a hundred percent.
Um, so, so dealing with any other perception
of reality such that one person is more radiant
or one person is more absorbent, then we're, we're stuck
with the, the, the possibility
that our perceptions have been shaded by some larger context
where we're not yet, we're not
yet perceiving the way in which we can either be manipulated
or the way in which our perceptions are are faulty.
That's one way of looking at this,
but I'm not sure if that's what RA's intending.
Well, as we, as we continue on, I think we're gonna get
to another more passages where they talk about, um, the
increase and decrease of polarity through the process.
I think of choice. And so maybe I'll bring it back up then
when we run across that and say, okay,
but how do we judge that even in ourselves,
not just looking at an act or some other entity, but to,
and in fact, they go into great detail about how both sides
equally require to know the self in order
to progress and evolve.
And it's like, okay, well, how could you not, um,
how could you know the self without being able to identify
or understand your own polarity?
Because that is what it says.
It's quite impossible to judge a polarity of an entity.
And I am an entity, which means
that if I can't even tell my own polarity,
I'm probably getting semantic here. And you know,
I think that you're, you're misreading
that it says it's just as impossible
to judge the relative goodness or negative. Right.
Well, was fine,
but they're comparing that to, yeah, to the first judgment,
which they say is impossible.
The second one, I think makes complete sense.
Which one are you saying? Are
they saying, is it possible is
To judge the polarity of an act or an entity and,
and polarity, and in this case
that they've just broken down,
is really an energetic flow as much as anything.
Yeah. But it sounds to me like you're saying to identify,
as opposed to judge, I can identify the north
and the south side of a magnet without saying
that the north is good and the bad as, or the south is bad.
You know, to identify whether you're in good polarity
or service the self polarity
or service the other self polarity, you can identify it,
but judging it is where, where we would fall short,
I would say judging it.
Oh, to judge the polarity. Yeah. I see what you're saying.
To go into judgment about the polarity as opposed to,
to arrive at a judgment of the polarity.
Yeah. 'cause you're putting ethics on it again.
Yes. Okay. And he said, get rid
of ethics and activity. Yeah.
That, that makes perfect sense.
I was much more on judging whether something is
Discerning service To others. Yeah.
It's, that's why I kept asking.
I was like, are are you meaning identify
or to discern? Well,
This is, well, I would disagree
that they say it's impossible to judge, though.
I'd say that it's, it's very unhelpful
because you cannot ever judge something as good or bad and,
and have helped yourself more than
called forth another illusion.
I think in fairness, I could say that I've,
I've seen many debates around how to interpret these,
pass this, this very passage.
And in fairness to, uh, one friend there, there was,
there was a belief by, by one friend I had who I have,
who says that when raw says, um, there is,
there is no better description than service to self
and service to others, that they were,
they were leaning in on that
and saying, this is why it's, it's hard to use, uh,
these other, um, descriptions
because this is, they were saying that basically this is,
this is an imperfect, uh, description
of polarity to compare to the magnet.
But I did not agree with that assessment.
But in fairness, I'll say,
there's many different ways to look at this.
You could simply focus on service
to other service itself, if that's what resonates.
And that I think some people have much easier
time appreciating that.
I think they do for the, the purposes of motivation.
And I think if you're, if you're doing any work in your
chakras and moving into the heart center
and trying to find, you know, either purpose
or motivation, what really drives you in one direction
or another, then I think that, that it's really healthy to,
to do that, to go into that space
and try to find, you know, what it is that you're driven to,
to do or accomplish.
And that's why we couch it in terms of ethics and activity,
because that is what we ascribe meaning to.
And yet perhaps what, uh,
raw is really saying here, uh,
and I mean, they are saying, using the word literal is
that this is much more energetic.
And while the energy flows outwardly, for example,
when we do ascribe to the motives that underpin
and support a service to others philosophy in life,
um, that's just the vehicle.
That's just the vehicle that allows me basically
to be in some sort of an outpouring of energy
or an allowance of energy to come through as opposed
to trying to pull it and attract it to me.
And I think they're, they're also really trying to,
like Mike said, lean in on that service to self-service
to others, because service to self-service to others, it,
it, again, it takes the ethics out
of it takes the emotion out of it.
It is strictly, did you do this for you
or did you do this to help another you, you know,
it's not saying, were you a good boy?
Did you do it for somebody else? Or were you a bad boy?
Did you do it for yourself? Like,
they're just flat out saying like, you did it
for this reason or for
that reason. Yeah, we're not judging.
It's your own. It's absolutely incredible when you first
use these terms with people, very often,
the initial reaction is, isn't service to self a good thing?
And, and almost all people will, will agree that yeah,
some service to itself is obviously helpful to, to become,
uh, an entity that can be of service to others.
Although I, I would believe that you could look even in
action like eating food
or sustaining yourself, you could still think about,
I want to get back to work.
You could be eating in order to gain energy,
to get back to work to help people.
I don't think that's a possible to see all seeming acts
of service to self
as also ultimately acts of service to others.
That comes up in the points that you put for, um,
potential review.
Uh, because Don asks about the use of the chakras
and whether they're used in exactly the opposite order
and reasons, um, by positive and negative polarity.
And Ross said almost, it's pretty close, but both positive
and negative have to have a certain amount of energy going
to each of the, the chakras just to maintain physical form
and incarnation and just have a, you know, a, a
a bodily system to occupy.
Um, but then after that, we oc, you know,
we activate very different chakras for different reasons,
Right? I think it
Has to do with the underlying intention
behind the acts as well, too.
Then if you are actually doing this, like you said,
like eating food to then be able to give back out there.
So to me, it's really focused on, I guess the,
the intention behind all of that.
There are you trying to gain more power for yourself,
or you're trying to end up
being able to give back in the end. So, I
Don't know. I
think that's, and that's ultimately
what you guys were talking about last time with money where,
whereas like, are you, you know, like
a billionaire could do a lot
with those billions other than let 'em sit in
a bank or something, you know?
But it, it is also, you know,
'cause you guys were kind of having like an ethical dilemma
about, you know, this the the whole money thing
and can you use it for good?
Is it only bad? All that?
I think, like Nathan said,
it's the intention that is the biggest thing.
Yeah. I think we could jump
into the discussion around the archetype again,
and we'll continue to touch on,
um, we're gonna start out here with 79 39,
which was roughly when Don started asking about, uh,
and he started by saying, let me skip over the higher fan
for a minute, because I'm really
not understanding that at all.
Uh, so maybe we'll touch back on the higher fan, uh, again,
when we wrap up, uh, the maybe next month,
we, we do the great way.
We'll, we'll touch on the others
because the great way relates to appreciation
of the higher, the higher fan.
Um, ask, ask you if the lovers represent the merging
of the conscious and the unconscious
or communication between conscious and unconscious.
And then, uh, Ross said, without being at all unperceptive,
you miss the heart of this particular archetype,
which may be more,
be more properly called the transformation of the mind.
And then Ross said, trans
or don asked transformation of the mind into what.
And, uh, Ross said, as you observe archetype six,
you may see the student of the mysteries being transformed
by the need to choose betwixt, the light
and the dark in the mind.
And it's interesting, a couple things here
that they say the student of the mysteries, um, so
it's, it's almost as though they're, they're implying that
to, to become the, the archetypal representation
of this transformation is to become a student of mysteries.
And this is literally getting down to the core of the,
the issue of how to evolve is to choose between light
and darkness in the mind.
And so in, in this image here, um,
and I'll see if I can zoom in easily.
Um, so they're, they're intending
to mean the, the, the female
on our left is using the light,
and the female on our right would be, which would be the,
his left hand path is choosing the dark.
Um, and they, they will go on to talk about the idea
of this being a, representing a prostitute.
And the choice is, um, required,
uh, in order to, um,
I guess benefit from the fruits of one
of these two sides, the dark or the light.
Um, so that's the core of this symbolism is the,
is the choice between the dark and the light.
But, but, we'll, we'll, we could talk about the nature
of these images, uh, uh, maybe the next one.
Uh, but do, do you guys have any other thoughts on this
Mean, when they said, when they said student
of the mysteries, in my mind it, it always was like,
if you're a student of the mysteries, you're kind
of like the adept who hasn't studied enough yet.
You know, like it's, they're using it to indicate
where on your journey the person is.
Like the adept is someone who's a little further along,
but the student of the mysteries is someone who's kind
of just, just poking into it.
Hmm. I'd say this a slightly more synonymous, but only
because Rod does sometimes use a little bit
more colorful language.
Um, and that mystery there to me speaks specifically
to the veils that are hiding aspects of our minds
and consciousness that keep some of us up at night,
you know, and, and just keep us insisting on
shedding more light in the darkness
where we just don't know what's there.
And that is essentially the heart of the potentiator,
I think the unconscious exploration,
the, the feminine, the divine feminine.
And, you know, the potentiator was described very clearly
also as that every potential that comes out
of the potentiator is, um, with polar, uh, with polarity.
That's why obviously the columns are, um, completely out to,
um, to the sides there.
And that's also reflected on
the, uh, the lovers.
And to me, the fact
that this comes from the potentiator in this sort
of subconscious is what I'm always saying,
that every thought is predicated first and foremost
before anything else is predicated on either an awareness
and an acceptance of the warmness of all things,
or a denial thereof.
And there isn't really any other, to me, root
or fundamental aspect of a thought system that sort of, uh,
predicates every choice and,
and colors our experience through it as well.
And so, again, it's not always just,
are we choosing the dark or are we choosing the light?
It's, um, which of these two things are we choosing
in an awareness of,
and in an insistence of
they're just coloring the choice.
You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's shades of gray,
or there might be something in it for me
and something in it for, for somebody else.
If I buy somebody a Christmas prisoner, whatever, you know,
these energies are always gonna be at play underneath,
and there's always gonna be a little bit in between.
And I still think that polarity ultimately is this,
this decision to accept the oneness
or to attempt to continue creating
and manifesting an illusory sense of separation.
I think you could, you could not be aware of so much
of the depth, but still act on
the depths of that concept.
Whereas if you were ignorant to the fact
that you were either choosing that everything is one,
or you were playing into the illusion by
bolstering yourself, you know, service to self,
if you were ignorant to that fact,
but like Nathan said,
the the underlying intentions would still be there.
Like, you could buy someone a Christmas present it,
say you're completely, uh, ignorant to, to any, anything
higher than the fact that you get presents on Christmas
and you give presents on Christmas.
Now I could get my rich friend a really nice present so
that I get a really good present next
year, you know what I mean?
And you're completely ignorant to any other choices,
but you're doing it with the intention of it coming
Back, right? So it's not
though is the opposite of awareness.
So the awareness is that the oneness of all things,
the ignorance of the oneness of all things is
by default then
therefore predicated on a thought
system based in separation.
So the idea of getting, okay, this, this fact for myself,
so completely correctly though unconsciously,
subconsciously, mm-hmm, this isn't even like I sit
and think like, oh, you know,
in this whole nature in reality, based on the solution
of separation, I get to get gifts.
And I really like, you know, it's like we're not even
not even aware that there's an alternative, uh, narrative.
I get what you're saying. It's the, it's the, uh,
basis for the thought process.
I, I totally get what you said, that sentence there. I get
You. And I think
I get more conscious too.
I think the, the service to self, uh, polarity when fully,
properly executed may very well be done in a,
in a much more conscious way than
what we typically think of subconscious.
So that person has decided that, um, I need to,
to rule this planet
and that, that really nobody on this planet will be doing
as well as they possibly can until, and
unless I rule the planet,
and then I'm consciously deciding to act in service to self,
even if I'm telling myself because I'm for the greater good.
I wanna also add the, the concept of indifference related
to the ignorance that we're talking about.
Um, because it raw puts emphasis that, um,
we, when we're talking about achieving harbor stability,
basically opening or closing the heart, uh,
to attain 51% dedication to the welfare of other selves is
as difficult as attaining a grade of 5% dedication
to other selves, but shall we say sink hold in
differences between those two.
And I think that this is, uh, also a point of the,
like, why would you apply an archetypal
process for transformation?
Why would you try to clothe yourself with the,
the lover's card?
And it's, it's because I believe that the, the symbol of
choosing a lover is, is this powerful lack of a difference.
There is a strong, a strong urge, a strong desire to make
the choice in the archetypal fashion.
And, and, and that way you're being pulled out
of the inference and you're being pulled into a desire
to know what is the light of, of this and, and,
and seek that light or the,
or the darkness depending on your, your chosen path,
or you're being forced to choose more strongly that way.
And I think that also effect, yes, you
Have to Go ahead.
Oh, and there's like the nature
of the sacrifice within there too, right, Mike,
when you're talking about you have to pick one path,
you have to abandon the other.
So it's like a commitment to then the service to others
or service itself in that case.
So it's a more strongly defined, I guess,
um, path then at that point,
Right?
And it also goes back to that thing
where they were saying throughout the ethics, um, you know,
and, and the activity,
and if you just looked at it as like a magnet, you know,
and you were choosing North Pole more often than you were
choosing South Pole, and then, you know,
the North Pole started to be the leading pole for you,
and then you went through your life seeing what
that North Pole attracted, then you can make that choice
where, is this really how I want to go about?
Or, you know, do I wanna abandon this way
and go with this other way?
You know? Yeah.
Because if you were doing something in service to self
and you know, you kept seeing, oh man, this is great.
This is, this is making my life
so much better service itself, everything's getting better.
But then you kind of like look back into the wake
and you see all the tears that you're causing back there,
you know, oh, you know, now I don't like this anymore.
And you have to flip. So, you know, ethically,
it might not have had any bearing until you look back
and you were like, okay, this isn't, this isn't the path.
Yeah. The crazy part I think with
that sinkhole indifference quote there, Mike, is
that it seems majority of,
of the population is stuck in this sinkhole
of indifference without yeah,
actually committing to one path or another.
So going off of like your, um, analogy of saying, you know,
you're manipulating 'cause I'm gonna get better Christmas
presents, yes, that's the service itself act,
but you gotta be much more dedicated on that path
that actually graduates a to fourth density service itself.
So it's catching you in that sinkhole.
Maybe you will notice things
and change your path from there,
but you really have to, it seems, make a true commitment to,
to one or the other consciously, I guess, to, uh,
really evolve in polarity
and spiritually here from third density.
And without, to get too far into the conspiracy theories,
I think that's what the goal of the controlling powers is.
It's to keep everybody in indifference.
Because if we all woke up
and realized we're all one,
their control over us would just evaporate instantly.
Oh yeah. Not, not to go too far into that either,
but look at what everything you see in the news
and the media, it's all division
and keeping everything separate and it's picking aside.
So you can never really come together
or unify in that sense if you're constantly consuming
that sort of message.
Mm-Hmm.
And the, the, um, another thing that I see with society,
without even getting into the politics of it
and all, um, there's, there's a, uh, um,
I think I've talked about it before,
but there's, there's basically a, a, a psychological study
where they found out that if there's too many choices,
you'll just throw your hands up
and decide not to cho choose.
So now life is so full of, you know,
this perceived abundance of all this stuff that you can do
and achieve and all that, that some people just throw up
their hands and that, like,
that indifferent sinkhole becomes, you know, uh, whatever.
This is easiest. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna fall into
that sink hole 50%.
Definitely. Yeah. Alright,
so I think it's fair now to dive into the i,
the di direct discussion about these images that,
that started in, uh, session 99.
And I, I can pull over this quote now
and, uh, Don, it's kind of amazing how well Don did, uh,
not having any starting point
besides what Rod had already said, but we'll,
but since rah references what Don was talking about,
we'll start with Don's observations of this image.
Uh, and that was the starting point for discussion by raw
of some of the more deeper meanings of the image.
Um, so, uh, Don said in card number six,
I see the transformation as the transformation of the mind,
the male's crossed arms representing transformation.
Maybe I can actually pull up
image here while I'm doing this.
Um, yeah, there we go.
Um, the male's crossed arms representing transformation,
transformation being possible either toward the left
or the right hand path, the right hand path being beckoned
or led by the, by the female, the potentiator,
the one on the right, having the serpent
of wisdom at the brow, this little thing here,
and being fully clothed,
the one on the left having less clothing
and indicating the matrix or potentiator would be more
concerned and attracted to the physical illusion
as the left hand path is chosen and more concern
and attracted to the mental as
the right hand path is chosen.
So this is a, was an interesting observation that,
that Don did not necessarily the, the way right way
of looking at this, the separation by mental
and physical considerations.
Um, but, but he, ra will touch on that.
And then, uh, Don gave the observation, the creature
above points an arrow at the left hand path, indicating
that if this path is, is chosen, the chips,
shall we say fall, will fall where they may,
the path being unprotected as far
as the random activity of catalyst.
And that's also something, uh, uh, raw negated essentially.
Uh, but that was confusing to me also when I,
I I keep forgetting what Ron meant by that,
but, um, but we'll touch on that.
And the in Don said, the intellectual abilities
of the chooser of
that path would be the main guardian rather than a designed
or built-in protection by the logos for the right hand path,
the entity firing the arrow being what seems
to be a second density entity would indicate
that this catalyst would be produced
by a lesser evolved source, you might say,
would raw comment on these observations of card sick?
Um, so, uh, Rob began,
we shall speak upon civil several aspects, Siram, firstly,
let us examine the crossed arms of the male
who is to be transformed.
What a student do you make of the crossing?
What see you in this tangle?
There's a creative point to be found in this element,
which was not discussed over much by the questioner.
And so this is discussed in session 100, which, um,
we, we could skip two
or we could continue on and come back to that later.
I guess we'll skip that one now, do that later.
That's what, that's the way. Uh, rah did that.
Um, let us now observe the evaluation of the two females.
The observation that
to the left hand path moves the roughly
physical to the right hand path.
The men mental has a shallow correctness.
There are deeper observations to be made
concerning the relationship of the great sea,
of the unconscious mind to the conscious mind,
which may be fruitfully pursued.
Remember, remember our
student, these images are not literal.
They haunt rather than explicate.
And may, maybe I should look up the word haunt
because it's funny that that word has, uh,
so many connotations right now for us.
Um, but these images haunt, um,
it's often used of a ghost,
but it could be used of a personal
or animal who frequents a place he haunts, used bookstores,
or it also mean haunting can mean be
persistently in the mind of someone.
The site haunted me for years, um,
or be persistently or, or,
and disturbingly present in something.
So this third definition doesn't say it's disturbing,
it says just persistent,
but it's interesting that they chose that word.
Um, but,
but these images, I guess, get under your skin until you,
you finally have some, some deeper
perception of it, I guess.
Well, because it is part of your deep mind in
the same sense as well too.
So it's almost haunting you as your
archetypal mind coming back if you're constantly
thinking about some of these issues.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Sort of a haunting is sort of like that too.
If you think of the, the expression of, you know,
other planes of reality as sort of the implicit
as opposed to the explicit.
This is always what's just under, under the surface.
So what they're saying is that the, the images are designed
to evoke, you know, sort of a response
or an energy without us necessarily
focusing too much on the, uh,
what is ex explicate in the image,
Right?
It's not about explicit appreciation of the nature of
how women are dressing this is, this is much more
about the appreciation of that which is so hard
to understand with the archetypal nature of masculine
and feminine, the conscious and the unconscious.
And as we observe sexuality, the nature of, uh,
gender, even our society is struggling
at great lengths to come, the, the subtle aspects of,
of the implications of gender.
Uh, but um, yeah,
so they're basically saying
that there's something more fruitful to pursue
concerning this relationship between the great sea
of the unconscious mind and the conscious mind,
which is reaching.
That's another, uh, quote I wanted to discuss, uh,
when they said in session 92 that which reaches may be seen
as a male principle
that which awaits the reaching may be seen
as a female principle.
So there's the principle of the reaching,
and there is a principle of that which awaits the reaching,
which is considered the great c
That which awaits the reaching.
Yeah. The great C is that which awaits
It's the feminine, yeah, yeah,
the great sea of the unconscious mind,
Which both sides are feminine.
So in this case, to me, the what, um,
the great sea of unconscious is really, uh, potential.
And we have in polarity both options available
or an awareness or an ignorance available
to us at all times.
I wonder about the crossing,
and I know that they go a little bit more into not
so much about the shape, but just in
that there's a right hand sort of going to the other side.
I wonder if to some degree,
all polarity requires some sort of internal compromise
to go to service to others.
The self must, you know, first feel safe and loved
and taken care of enough to now go out
and want that for others.
And likewise, to choose the service to self path, the aspect
of self that feels naturally drawn to take care
of others has to be ignored.
Yeah. Um,
I could pull up session 100 here.
Um,
It is also very funny that, that Mike, you just said
that which reaches and that which awaits the reach,
and it does seem like the, the male
representing the conscious mind, representing the,
the person studying the cards, it's kind of reaching up
to the shoulders, whereas the females just kind
of awaiting the reach to come over.
The unconscious mind is awaiting the choice whether to go
to the, the left or the right path.
Yeah, yeah.
So here we have, uh, they said in session 100,
both the prostituted and the virginal of deep mind invite
and await the reaching.
So it could be that the hand that is touching is also a part
of this invitation process, that there has
to be the invitation for the,
the awaiting to make sense, awaiting the, the reaching.
Can you, um, address the prostituted as a
whatever that form of grammar it is.
I don't, I mean, it's a subjective verb or,
Yeah. Well, it kind
Of explains it. I think
also in the rest of that 99, oh
Yeah, shame quote, Right? I think that,
Okay. It would, it that's
perfect.
We, we should just read it first
and then we'll, we'll do the definition of prostitute.
I think this explains it pretty well too.
Um, many use the trunk and roots of mind
and that that could just be seen as the intuition even, um,
or something deeper in our psyche, many use the trunk
and roots of bind as if that portion
of bind were a badly used prostituted entity,
then this entity gains from this great storehouse
that which is rough prostituted
and without great virtue, those who turn
to the deep mind guise of the maiden go forth to court it,
the courtship has nothing of plunder and it semblance
and may be protracted.
Yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great.
The right hand and the left hand transformations
of the bind may be seen to defer by the attitude
of the conscious mind, the masculine towards its own
resources, as well as the resources of other selves.
So the attitude that we have is,
is, is what this is all about, the attitude towards
the resources that we're reaching towards with,
with our path of seeking, be that through internal seeking
or the resources of others, the external seeking,
Right? Are you looking to
plunder and take
and just receive at that point self-serving in that sense?
Or are you trying to do this virtu virtuously, um,
and I guess a little more with more purity, I guess, along
that path then it kind of defines your clarity in
that sense too, too with giving you which yeah.
Type of the unconscious mind you're able to access then.
And also kind of going into them what level
of information I guess you receive back
from the unconscious mind.
Right. I also think you could look at this as in terms
of the closed hearted way of doing it
and the open-hearted way of doing it.
And clearly the open-hearted path is,
is the path which would appreciate that others have,
have needs and, uh, there's a potential to serve others,
and there's also potential to, um,
be more reverent on the, with open-hearted path.
I think when you, I,
I'm not sure if I've ever heard anyone say of the,
of the negative path as being a path of reverence, um,
other than for the self, I guess the
separate self separation, I don't know, but it,
but it feels to me like there's a sance here when they're
talking about the, the protracted,
um, method to go forth to court it,
to, to see with a greater level of sensitivity
and caution that there's, there's opportunities here that,
um, that can be found with, with, with careful approaches
and opening the heart and finding the way to be of service.
It's not that saying too that that can be the slower path
as well, though this semblance may be protracted,
so understanding it that way, but, or you can be the try
and do the quick and dirty approach, I guess saying,
going in there and taking what's, uh, what you want,
but again, you don't, you don't quite get the same sort
of information from it,
Right. Experience.
Yeah.
And this also reminded me of session 52,
which I think I can
probably just touch on that really quick.
When, uh, session 52.2, they're talking about the two types
that entities use for moving around in the universe.
Said, I'll just skip to the end here.
The hitchhiker is distracted by conversation
and the vagaries of the road
and dependent upon the whims of others is concerned
to make the appointment in time.
The hitchhiker sees the same beauty,
but has not prepared itself for the establishment
and the roots of mind of an experience of,
of the experience, um, to the discipline entity.
All things are open and free.
The discipline in which opens the universe opens
also the gateways to evolution.
The difference is that of choosing either to hitchhike
to a place whereby beauty may be seen,
or to walk step by step, independent
and free in this independence to praise the strength to walk
and the opportunity for the awareness of beauty.
So technology itself is kind of like a symbol
of the prostitution of our surroundings
to some degree when we're using it to the point
where we're just trying to get ahead
and hit, take the shortcuts to
progress without doing the spiritual
work that goes along with that. You
Mean t
Okay.
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with technology, I guess,
fundamentally, but it's, it's the,
it's the attitude towards it, I guess
that makes the difference here.
Yeah. My favorite analogy is always a hammer
to build a house or crack someone's skull.
So I think I would like to this always remind,
Oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, this always
reminds me
of like the Gollum concept.
You know, mines is, you know, that's, that's that, uh,
mentality of the, of the closed hearted.
Yeah. So the word prostitute can
mean a noun or a verb.
Let's see if I can make it bigger. Um,
I think we're going for the verb version.
Yeah. Offer someone sexual activity, exchange for payment,
put oneself off one's talent to an unworthy or corrupt use
or purpose for the sake of personal or financial gain.
So here we have a more broad definition, um,
an unworthy or corrupt use,
But don't you guys normally think of the roots
and trunk of mind as more of the unconscious
and certainly behind a veil and at more of a, a root level?
Yeah. And so I wanna think about it in those terms about
this whole prostituted entity, like we're using a part
of our unconscious unconsciously
and maybe even have it poorly programmed with, you know, uh,
unhelpful biases and, you know,
but it doesn't mean that we're not using it all the time
and we're not using it like a muscle,
and we always go to say, victim hood
for example, or something like that.
Is that kind of an example of, of us, you know,
reaching in and pulling out a perspective that is
not particularly helpful?
It, it feels like it's all, I mean,
the subconscious mind is just the patterns
that we get trapped up in.
So I guess
to some degree it's always an unconscious process,
but there's, I think the use of the uncut of this,
of the bind and the body is ultimately connected
to our conscious seeking, uh,
even though we may have set ourselves up
for subconscious programming
and that the way that we're seeking,
Well, I think that what they go on
to decide about this courtship though is what, is
what I'm kind of getting at that when we have,
when we react, for example, we've just got this unconscious,
subconscious reactive, um, habits
and that we just fire off.
Whereas, and, and we're, while we're abusing
or prostituting, you know, the, the stores this,
this great storehouse that we have, um, we're really only,
we're not getting much value
or great virtue out of it, as opposed to
when we're courting this, now we're seeing this as a thing
of beauty and a thing with which we want to become
far more deeply acquainted
and that we want to understand,
uh, to a much greater degree.
And so, yeah, I guess that's gonna take, take more time
to do, but we start to see our own unconscious as something
to discover, uh, as opposed to use unconsciously.
It's interesting that, um, I, I, I think, uh,
in the chat here, Ray was talking about energy vampires
and black magic a bit,
and the, the idea that I think people, people can actually,
um, be consciously choosing, um,
to use deeper faculties of the, of the mind for,
for self-interest and not see anything wrong with that too.
Um, and I don't know if, if that's unlike a, a lesser
level where people are not seeing it as magic, I still think
that there's dynamics
and relationships where, um, yeah,
people can very much enjoy.
I think the, the darker path
and the energy exchange
that comes without even having appreciation, that
that is like an, uh, the unconscious energy
that's being used or, um,
something deeper worked with. It just feels good.
I don't feel like they make any,
any distinction in polarity for the first
three sentences in that paragraph.
And then tie that up to say,
really the only difference in transformation of the mind
between left
and right hand is the attitude
that one has towards resources.
I want 'em all for me, or I want them all for everyone.
Yeah. Um, but those, the first three sentences I think
could just as easily apply to both polarities
now our experience of it,
or, you know, one might, um, one might create more
of this badly used prostituted, you know, kind of approach
to the deep mind on a negative path, for example.
But it doesn't seem that that's not applicable to people
who are positively oriented by nature.
I think that's just consciousness and you can be conscious
and unconscious regardless of your polarity.
Although to be positively polarized I think leads one
to maybe wake up a little bit sooner,
but I have met a number of people,
and I, I'm sure you guys have too, who seem so clearly
positively wired, just absolutely by default
and yet have next to no spiritual sort of expression
or experience, um, which is fine.
Um, but they're just absolutely, you know, wonderful people,
bright lights that just shine on everyone around them and,
and yet don't have any particular reason for doing that.
Right. Yeah. But you're,
you're really jumping into the mind of the person though.
You know, maybe, maybe they do it
because they see the positive that it, that it,
I infuses in the world around them, whether consciously
or unconsciously, you know?
Yeah. They might have a more, a much more tangible
relationship to kind of what goes around comes around
because they just have a, a practical understanding of it.
When I go do this, this seems to come back around to me.
Yeah, yeah. As opposed to, um, I'm on some, you know, multi
lifetime trajectory toward my own
ascension and reunification.
Yeah. And so this thing that I'm about to go do, I want
to be oriented, you know, toward
that I'm playing the long game, I suppose, whereas the,
the unconscious positively polarized person is simply
positive and enjoys the experience of it,
and so has no reason to, to divert their polarity
or to try to have a different experience.
Can I ask a question real quick?
Can you guys hear that burnout happening outside?
No, I heard something come from yours.
Okay. 'cause I was gonna say, I'll pause it next time.
It was very loud here. Or I'll mute it next time.
Yeah. It's the noise cancellation features of Zoom.
Probably have that on low for us already. Okay. Yeah.
Nice. Yep. You see, Nathan, you dropped out and came back.
Were you able to hear us
or did your, your, your, uh, laptop cut out?
I had to run to the door. I had a delivery.
Okay. Yeah, because the, that, uh, we were talking about
that kind of when you were gone, uh,
and I was saying like, you know, the North pole
and the South pole of the magnet, you know,
you make decisions in life, whether you know it or not,
and then the, the, uh, the magnet will start
to turn one way or the other.
And then you have the ability at that point to realize
if you are, you know, looking in the, in the wake
of your choices, what, you know, like you said, they're not,
they might not think that they're, everything
that they're doing is oriented towards this grand, uh,
ascension, but they do recognize,
you know, that it, that it is
In a more of real common sense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in a much more practical sense.
Um, I think in one of the other review sections,
there was a really good, um, another good statement.
It had to do with, oh, it, danger that was the word.
It was, um, uh, the choice becomes dangerous to,
to the adapter, to the conscious
because, um, when we slip into unconsciousness
or make, uh, choices that are not reflective of a service
to others polarity, it reduces our polarization.
I forget which one that was. Um, maybe we'll get to that.
Yeah. I think rah describes a similar deal there
with the power of the will when you strengthen your will in
that sense, you're, you're developing along that path,
but you can unconsciously kind of sabotage yourself,
I guess, in a sense too, with, with some of the decisions
or, or how it goes through from kind of
what you were talking about there, Andrew.
It was,
it's the very last, um,
There's great danger in the use of the will
as the personality becomes stronger for,
it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing
the polarity of the entity.
Yeah. A little bit of ego flares up,
you get a little off put by something,
you bite somebody's head off or flip somebody off in traffic
or, you know, whatever it is.
And you're reducing your polarity
if you are a service to others, you know,
oriented individual, any little slip up is reducing it.
And, uh, I like that.
And I don't think that's the only place either I,
or I've found this in other teachings
but it's a very similar energy that says, as you wake up
and become more conscious, you have more of a karmic,
um, accountability.
And so making even
slightly less conscious decisions will have a greater impact
on your karma and your polarity than
it would were you a generally less conscious
or subconscious individual.
So as you wake up, you, um, are
more accountable to every choice. Yeah.
Become more powerful in that sense too.
And I think that's why it was so surprising when,
when Ron describes how a negative entity can easily flip
to the positive path at that point,
the further down they get there.
So it's like you, you'd think it'd be the opposite,
that you have to work even harder,
but no, the more power through the wheel
and everything that you've developed, you can then flip
and use that to go down the positive path.
If you totally orient yourself in that direction, it seems
Potentially even easier
because polarizing in the negative is a lot more difficult
and requires 95% dedication as opposed to
positive at 51%.
Um, but yeah, I would, I would completely agree that
that makes a lot of sense as to why
they would be able to make that switch.
It would seem much harder for a positive polarity
to switch to negative post, you know,
fourth density transition, for example,
because if you, if you got harvested
because you were 60% service to others, you know,
good job, you made it.
But if you wanted to switch to negative
and stay in fourth density, you've gotta be, you've gotta
exercise the will, um,
and the faith to believe that it will work.
And at 95%
Yeah, you're definitely right.
I think with the one exception
that maybe Ron mentions is when you, if you come back
as a wanderer, then at that point, so you,
from your in fourth fifth density,
you positive come back as a wanderer.
Depending on what you do in that lifetime, you could end up,
um, switching over to, to the negative path at
that point if you were creating karma
and traveling down the service itself path at that point.
Interesting. It seems like the veil will, you know,
give us those opportunities. Yep.
That's why it's, it's a risky business here
coming in as a wonder.
Here's another way to describe that concept.
Uh, it is our observation that due to the complexity
of influences upon the unmanifested being at this pace time
nexus among your planetary peoples, it is best
that the progress of the mind, body,
spirit complex take place without,
as you call them training aids.
Because when using a training aid,
an entity then takes upon itself the law of responsibility
for the quickened or increased rate of learned teaching.
If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer,
is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience
of the entity, then the usefulness
of the training aide becomes negative.
Yeah. What, what training aide is he asking
about in this case?
I think this is the pyramid. Oh,
The question was the pyramid shape then,
as I understand it was deemed
by your social memory complex at that time to be
of paramount importance, as Shelly say,
physical training aid for our spirituality development at
this particular time in the evolution of our planet,
it seems that you placed little
or no emphasis on that shape.
Is this correct? And Ross says this is correct.
It is an honor of duty to attempt to remove the distortions
that the use of this shape has caused in the
thinking of your peoples.
And in the activities of, we do not deny
that such shapes are efficacious or
nor do we withhold the general gist of these, this efficacy,
however we wish to offer our understanding.
Limited though it is that contrary to our naive beliefs,
many thousands of your years ago, the optimum shape
for initiation does not exist.
Wow. And then they went on
and explained, um, their own history, um,
and what they had to work through
and, um, eventually explained that law responsibility.
That is an awesome session for anybody
who is just getting into the material
that, that session. Man,
There's, there might be a lot more here too.
You know, I catch myself in the little things, you know,
frequently, you know, a little bit of irritability
or, you know, that kind of thing.
I tend to catch it though, obviously, and,
and move into understanding it.
But I still have to wonder, um, if I don't need to
up my game a little bit in terms of, you know,
if these little things now end up dinging me, you know,
to a greater degree, um,
But that's you, you've already upped your game
and that's why those little things matter
to you the whole time that they were talking about, um,
how quickly you could flip from, you know,
95% evil to good.
Uh, well, the only thing I would say about this before we,
before we, uh, do anything, is
that the emphasis on this isn't about the aid so much as,
um, uh, where does he say it?
My badge here, as you call it, the training aid.
Um, yeah. So the, the training aid will up your abilities.
So like you said, like you, you've upped your game.
You know, they, they're, they're trying
to pull you away from focusing on the training aid
and more focus on the fact that like, look,
if you employ one of these training aids, you are going
to up your game and then you're gonna be on a knife edge,
whether you tip to evil or good,
because it's so easy to flip flop.
And the the analogy I kept thinking
of in my head when I read these sessions
that talk about this kind of stuff is money.
You know, and I'm not saying money is, is, is the power
and the enlightenment, but if you were to imagine money
as power and enlightenment,
and you became a billionaire on the service to self path,
and then woke up one morning and was like, what am I doing?
How quickly would it be
that you could turn those billions into a brilliant thing
for the rest of society?
So how quickly could you go from being this complete perfect
ass to being this complete perfect, you know, saint,
if you just took all that stuff that you gained
and flipped it and sent it back into the world as opposed
to courting it all, you could turn that into such goodness
so quickly in the same way
that you could take the adept person being if you were,
If you were negative.
Yes. For the same reason that,
because all of this is irrespective of polarity.
So if you are committed to a service to self route,
and then you, you know,
unconsciously perform a random act of kindness
and, you know, give something to somebody else
or whatever, you've now reduced your own polarity.
And that, and any training aid that you use to,
to focus your powers of service to self, um,
has become maybe negative
because it's, it's raised the bar for your own achievement
to now, you know, it used to be that giving a $5 bill
to a homeless person would not substantially reduce
or change your polarity because you weren't fully committed.
But by the time you're full, 95% giving $5
to a homeless person in recognition of their need
and their value and their worth
might knock you down tremendously.
The same way that if we have a, a super,
super high bar ourselves on the positive polarity side,
that even even the most minor of infractions
or egoic outbursts might also
knock us down quite a bit.
Vibrationally. I'm not necessarily, you know,
putting all this maybe into the karmic realm.
So I don't know that there's a, a big difference,
but this law of responsibility to me, spells it out,
um, beautifully.
And it also makes me wonder how much
of this can be intellectualized,
because you could, you could have somebody spend five
or 10 years of their life pursuing, you know, every ounce
of spiritual information that they could
and having a, a beautifully intellectualized understanding
of all of these concepts and then just shrug it off
and walk away, and, you know, right.
One might end that because they now have an awareness
of the way that all these things work.
They've, you know, they've now put them, set themselves up
for failure in a way, uh,
because any small mistake that's, you know, the opposite of
what it is that they would like to polarize as, um,
will count more against 'em than it did prior
to becoming that polarized.
I hate to always come back to it,
but it is something that everybody can
relate to and understand.
But so say you're the billionaire negative side.
Say you're someone who is a true philanthropist
and you raise billions for other people,
so you're constantly raising billions for other people,
and then you make a decision, you're like, ah,
lemme siphon a hundred, a hundred thousand off the top.
Then you, you knock yourself down.
But then it becomes up to you to decide, do I want
to keep siphoning off the top?
Did that feel like the, the way I wanna be or not?
And that, that's where it comes into play.
I think there's a big, in my mind anyway,
there's a big distinction between unconscious
and subconscious.
Subconscious is something
that your conscious mind has made a path within your mind.
So it's a shortcut to your conscious mind.
You know, every time I reach for the door,
I reach with my right hand.
It becomes a subconscious thing that you do.
So it's something that you've chosen to do so many times
that you automatically choose to do it.
Whereas the unconscious mind is that sea of pure potential,
the pure potentiation where every choice is there
and you choose to make it instead of, I've walked this path
so many times, this is how I continue to do it.
But even in the subconscious mind, I reach
for the door 50 times with the right hand,
and on the 51st time I decide,
why do I always do it this way?
You know what I mean? Like, your awareness
and your intention is always in play.
Yeah. That's why they say this is moment by moment. Yeah.
And that's why, that's why I'm getting down to even sort
of nitpicking and splitting hairs here on getting mildly
annoyed in line at the grocery store,
or, you know, fill in the blank.
I'm gonna go ahead and, and hold myself accountable
for those things because that me having a reaction
that does not align to,
Well, My polarity.
I think it was also fair to point out
what we discussed in the, in the last session with the fact
that, um, when you have a negative experience
and you can recognize it, that actually is one
of the key things that can push you.
This is why the, the, the black was on the right side,
and the white was on the left side here.
Um, that when you have a recognition, Hey,
I just went way in the opposite direction from
what the person I wanted to be.
Yeah, you could, you can, you could,
that can be the primary thing that sets you for life
to be a more positive person, if you can see that, that
that's what was happening to you.
Yeah. So there really is no, you know, long-term loss,
even if you're making a long-term decision over and over
and over, if you simply have a moment,
single moment decision, a single decision
and a single moment that I will,
I will choose differently now.
Right. The opportunity
for growth is baked into the choice no matter what you're,
you're going to have the ramifications
of choice no matter what you choose.
And so it is, it's always built in and you can't mess it up.
You take all the time you need. Well,
And that's why I think that every, every, uh,
modality of enlightenment, harps on meditation,
you know, and conscious awareness of the things that you do,
even even that, like Mike said, that recognition
of a subconscious pattern, you know, someone who, again,
I'll go with the, you know, driving thing.
'cause everybody can get, you know,
why did I honk at that guy?
He wasn't really doing anything that bad.
Like, why do I become so angry when I get
behind the wheel of a car?
That is a, is a, is an awareness, you know,
that someone who's just kind of blah, going through life
and, and not trying at all,
they're not having those thoughts.
You know, someone who meditates will sit there
and you start to meditate
and, you know, every everybody who's done deep,
long meditation knows things come up in your mind.
You just have to, you have to let those things go.
And those things
that come up in your mind are the things like,
why did I beep at that person?
Or, you know, why did I choose to do this and not that?
And that, and that's where you draw the line between
and you know, someone who's trying
and someone who's just kind of going through it
and someone who's trying is consciously choosing
to be service to self or service to other self.
And that, that, it's that reflection that allows you
to keep climbing up either path,
The balancing, right?
So if you reflect on a choice
and then you balance it, you go back
and you re comprehend it,
and you understand the range of, of polarity
that was available in that moment, then perhaps you can sort
of, uh, absolve yourself to a certain degree. Um,
Yeah. Or bring yourself
conscious, conscious awareness of it so
that you can choose to do it differently the next time.
And that again, is you becoming more and more adept.
You know, that, that you're seeing the polarity in every
choice, in every, everything that happens in life
and then thinking about it.
And, you know, if you have a subconscious tendency
to go towards this side
and you wanna go to that side, then you have to work on it.
Yeah. That's like those smaller
transformations I was talking about earlier.
Because it almost seems like you're going through this
cyclical process here of, uh,
matrix potentiator catalyst experience.
Until you start analyzing those experiences, you
as a significant doesn't actually get that chance to change
or decide to do things differently at that point.
So it's with that knowledge, then you can decide to make
that change or transform whatever that action,
or in this case, mental thoughts, feelings, emotions, were
that either are bothering you
or were not offering service in that sense too.
Right. This is using the will though, to balance
and find ourselves in one experience
and choosing actively a different one as opposed
to allowing the will to just unconsciously
confirm the experience that we've always claimed.
Right. And we're just in this endless cycle of, this is me,
I'm the victim, or I'm, you know, I'm the one
that always does X, y, or Z, and it just fills in the blank.
Yeah. As opposed to desiring
and having a will to know ourselves beyond the mask.
I would like to see if the, uh, the next symbol here, uh,
ties into Simone was being discussed.
Um, so the other part of this image
that was significant, uh, that Ry
that Dawn asked about was the,
and it's practically like half the card up, up top here.
Uh, is this, this guy pointing the arrow.
Um, Ross said, uh, we, we now speak of the genie that genie
or elemental or mythic figure, culturally determined.
So they gave three different descriptions of
what this thing is a genie, an elemental or mythic figure.
Um, I guess each of those could be a different rabbit hole.
But, um, they said this, this entity which sends the arrow
to the left hand transformation,
this arrow is not the arrow which kills,
but rather that, which in its own way protects those
who choose separation.
That being the quality most indicative of the,
of the left hand path are protected from other selves
by a strength that sharpened by a strength
and sharpness equivalent to the degree
of transformation which the mind has
experienced in the negative sense.
Um, so, so the amount of negative transformation is almost
creating that subconscious blockage
that just gets reinforced heavier and heavier.
Um, this is the way I'm interpreting it at
least. Mm-Hmm. Um,
That's what I was thinking too, like, you, you,
if you choose to go to the negative side,
you build those tendencies into your subconscious
and your almost ego is protecting you from seeing its
impact on the rest of the world.
Your ego then being like the gin up in the corner,
Creating that separation or enforcing that separation.
And yeah. I'm so glad that Rob brought this up
because I think based on some of the other cards there,
my initial thought would've been the left hand path is open
to attack or to catalyst
or something in that sense of getting, being shot at,
but that's not then, um,
what it ends up being from what raw is saying there.
So it's kind of almost a different mindset, at least than
what initially came up for me.
I think it's the ego. I mean, that's,
this seems really simple to me.
I mean, the, the ego is the, you know, sort of the,
the default epitome of negative polarity and separation.
And so those who choose that, uh,
you are like iron sharpening iron, you know,
and the ego gets real good at defending itself,
protecting itself, attacking others.
I mean, it's, it's real good at that.
Nathan, I, I will say that I had that, um, uh,
that thought initially as well.
Mike. What, what session is this one?
Uh, 99.
Yeah. The, one of the quotes earlier,
he was saying something about, uh, the, the
figure in the corner
and then raw answered something like, uh, the,
the left hand path has more potential
for catalysts or more potential.
He said something like that.
And when I read that initially, I was like, oh,
the gin in the corner is shooting arrows down on the path,
like trying to hit you
because the catalysts are coming hot and heavy.
But then you read this session and you're,
and they, they say like, no, no,
that's the guy protecting you, keeping your,
keeping you on that path.
Because I initially thought that too.
I was like, oh yeah, he's throwing down fireballs,
and you got dodge those fireballs,
but then you read this one and it's completely different.
I also think this is interestingly, uh, an inverse of
what was stated relating to the experience of, of mind,
which I think speaks a little bit
of the nature of transformation.
Um, when they said the seeker,
which has purely chosen the service to others' path,
shall certainly not have a variant in apparent inial
experience, which is just saying
that you won't have this outward shelter in your illusion
from the Gus flurries
and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.
However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks
of the love and the light of the one infinite creator.
The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance
of challenges offered in opportunities to come thusly.
The great pitch of light is held high above such a one, so
that all interpretation may be seen to be protected
by protected by light.
So there's a protection of interpretation that's happening,
um, on the positive path that is, uh, in the experience
of mind card, not the transformation of mind card.
So it's the experience that is the interpretation
that's protected here, and it's the, um,
the, the, the, the transformation of the, um,
the transformation of the mind is kind of
adding this continued strength
and sharpness, which is like a protection
in the way in which you're transforming, I guess.
And also it, oh, go ahead.
No, go ahead. Finish it up.
I, I was gonna say, it's interesting that the, uh,
the one, another one you brought up recently, Nick, was the,
the fact that they said some galaxies actually explored
experience more than transformation,
and some put more emphasis on transformation
and less on experience and their archetypal development.
So this might be an echo of that too.
Yeah. And, and the, to me, it, it would seem
that the experience comes
before the transformation, you know,
like you have all the experiences and,
and as you have the experiences,
the transformation starts to happen.
And, uh, you know, it's basically saying that you're,
you're, you have a greater propensity towards
being protected during the experience,
but if you choose not to see that way,
and you push further into this negative path,
well then it's like the dark sides like, yes, get angry.
Yes, we'll help you.
Yes, someone cut you off in traffic f you know, like,
they'll just, you know, they'll just keep, you are right.
You should have been in, in first at that light.
They are wrong. You know, and the,
and the ego's just helping you stay angry,
but you've already had the experience and chosen that path
before it sinks its hooks.
You know, this makes me wonder if even something like this
extends into the body with something like chemical
addictions, and when, when somebody's addicted to drugs,
they're more likely to become a prostituted path entity.
And it's very interesting that that's, um,
it's like dopamine hits can be received, uh,
in many ways like that too.
If somebody's pursuing just, just a high of some kind
that could be related to this, that continued reinforcement.
So the, the transformation coming right
after the significance seems like transformation then, uh,
based on this, or no, sorry, the other one
that you just pulled up based on
differing experiences based on polarity.
Um, yeah.
So that seems to me
that our experience is gonna be in sort of how we see it.
So, so once we decide how we're gonna see it,
then transformation can ensue.
And when we see something in separation
and in darkness, we probably transformed our
mind toward the dark.
And when we see it in light,
obviously I think we've transformed it in light if we see it
in an awareness of truth and the one infinite creator,
and this is just another way that it expresses today.
It happens to be a fender bender
or, um, you know, war in Ukraine or what have you.
And, um, you're transformed accordingly
because now you've seen something
and you've claimed it differently than you did before.
And so your awareness changes now.
You've see things differently.
I mean, it's, it's, you know,
if you go ask a hundred people, you know,
what's it like out there or whatever.
I mean, it's just fascinating how completely differently
conscious and unconscious people will see the world.
And, um, there's an unconscious ignorance that is just,
there's nothing but fear
and darkness everywhere at all times.
Like there's, there's nothing that seems
to exist in their experience, um, apart from that.
And then there's others who you encounter
and you look at their experience
and just how completely wonderful it seems to be
and how they just look so optimistically at the world
and where it's going and the lifting vibration.
And we're all living in the same world,
but we're having a very different experience.
And it seems to me that this is where transformation
plays a part, because as we make choices
and commit to perceiving things in truth,
then we are transformed, as you pulled up earlier, Mike,
that we're transformed by the decision to
see darkness or see light.
And that's the transformation is just our, our choosing
to have the experience that we wanna have.
Right. And what's transforming it seems like
that's the actual significant, so the self
that has these previous biases
and these decisions here, that's actually being transformed
to change that perspective
or that viewpoint, uh, based on those experiences
and yeah, the previous catalyst leading up to it.
Agreed. All right.
And potentially the matrix,
and I know we haven't really talked about this yet so far,
and I've asked this question
before, like, Hey guys, what is, what is being transformed
by the transformation of the mind, you know,
apart from the mind?
And that's what I think I'm ready to accept at this point,
is that I think it, it might be, um, about the relationships
between the archetypes
and just the whole thing is changing in an amalgamated way.
And it's not just one archetype that's being transformed.
It's, it's our whole, you know, exemplification
and experience of the, of the complex itself
that seems to transform
Well. And also the,
the, the transformation
in all aspects, you know, uh, mind, body,
and spirit are all transforming
the one consciousness source.
'cause if it's this feedback loop of experience
and then, uh, um, absorption back into the one,
uh, um, what's the word I'm looking for?
Not separation, not duplication, separation down
to have the experience.
So sending the data back up, going back up.
Like if it's this feedback loop
and it's outside of our realm,
everything's happening at the same time, you know,
in time space, then your,
your transformation is instantly fed back to source.
That's what I was thinking. I was kind
of surprised, Mike, with that first quote.
You pulled up with the logos,
basically creating this archetype, uh,
based on that transformation.
'cause it seems like that ties into when, um,
the logos implemented the ve of forgetting at that point.
So to get entities to actually polarize and choose a path
and to transform along that way, it seems like
that was the little nudge as well to, to continue
and to actually grow
and create that different experience,
um, through that action.
Yeah. I,
The variety of experience was much greater
after that, uh, that, that initial experiment to
make the significant complex
and allow for the transformation to be articulated
where it wasn't previously there.
Is that like a GI, Mike, you think?
I I will say that's, that's a
almost a religious belief people have
that you can create consciousness where
there is only machinery. I don't know.
I'm not necessarily, I guess I'm more drawing
a parallel, I suppose.
So artificial general intelligence is yeah.
A, it's able to do like self-improvement
and it can sort of like, understand its way
of going about things
and improve how it goes about doing things as it works.
And, um, anyway, that's why I ask
because this is, by making the significant
complex, you really are.
Yeah. You know, making the system now something
with transformation specifically, now you have, um,
an entity that can steer and control its own momentum
and trajectory based on, um, you know, the, the concept
of transformation itself.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we're definitely dealing
with the philosophical archetypes to some degree when we're,
as a culture trying to narrow in on, on,
on creating life on some level.
And it was us that we're symbolizing
the creation of all along.
I think, um,
It absolutely is, especially when you talk about ai,
because what is ai?
It's just algorithms who made the algorithms, people.
So it's just like running something through a lot
of people's minds
and depended on what the minds are made of initially.
That's what's gonna give you the outcome
because no new information could be put in.
Yeah, Yeah.
I think the ai, it's, it's all fractualize consciousness.
So AI is to human ego at consciousness
as human ego at consciousness is to divine consciousness.
And so they're, they're gonna, they're gonna replicate
or express as,
and have components of everything that's upstream.
But every time you go down
and you iterate again, the whole thing is more muddled
and watered down and less effective.
And now you're arguing with the internet, you know, trying
to convince this AI to do what you're asking it to do.
And
Yeah. And
then the wanderers come in as rogue code
and screw everything up.
And that is from a completely non-computer person.
So that, that analogy was bad. Just write it off.
Alright, so let's, uh,
let's finish up the quotes that we were looking at.
Uh, so we were talking, I didn't finish reading this one,
but we're talking about the, those who choose separation,
that being the quality most indicative of the left hand path
are protected from other selves by a strength
and sharpness equivalent to the degree
of transformation which the mind has
experienced in the negative sense.
Those upon the right hand path have no such protection
against other selves for upon that path, the
dowdy seeker shall find many mirrors for reflection
in each other self it encounters.
So there's an
emphasis here where we're not trying to be separate.
We're very much not wanting to be protected from others,
we wanna learn from others, but I'd look up that word,
and it's actually intended to be humorous word meaning
brave and persistent.
The persistent seeker. Well, I think
The, the, um, the word mirror is the most important I
think in this one, because this is contrasting against the
previous clause of separation where we see things
as being separate from one another.
Clearly, uh, the, the right-handed path,
we see mirrors in which each supposedly separated
object that I see.
In fact, I actually see myself,
Right. It, it,
the word mirror almost implies, uh, awareness
and, and, uh, meditation, self-realization.
Yeah. Right.
Reflection, I mean, mirror for reflection. Exactly.
Take out the word mirror and just put the seeker
through reflection, you know,
they're gonna see the encounters.
Right. Well, an important thing here too is
that they're also seeing the self in other selves.
And so yeah, yeah's both mechanism for self-reflection
and the realization that in fact everything is myself.
Yeah. And that, and that's exactly what I mean by it.
You would meditate on that, you would reflect on that,
you know, be aware of that, whatever it is.
But that's the concept that you grasp.
And that's, that's almost your armor as you move forward.
You know, uh, like I, like I say,
whenever I have any kind of like
funky encounter in a hallucinogenic, you know, state
or in a meditative state, I always say
that like you put on the armor of love, you have
to put on the armor of love.
You have to go into it with that.
Because if you don't, if you're on the off,
if you're on the path to, to positivity,
and you're going into this world full of these,
these pitfalls that that could really
take your entire life in, if you don't go in with the armor
of love, then, then, you know, it'll be like
that guy shooting fireballs at you.
I don't know that they can pull you in there.
I think what raw is saying is
that once you've transformed the mind
and your experience is going to be positive, like at most,
you're gonna see opportunities for growth or challenge.
Yeah. Or see exactly tragedy.
And in this case, what, the way that I read this is really
that the concept itself of other selves begins
to dissolve in the right hand path, um, along
with certainly the need
to protect oneself against other selves.
Yeah. So it's, it's almost like as our realization
and identification as unity consciousness develops, um,
the, the concept of other selves
and the need to protect ourselves from it, or,
or the, the concept
that anything would need protecting from anything else
really on this path, uh, just becomes anathema.
It just no longer applies.
There's nothing to protect yourself from
because there's nothing that can harm you.
You could die, you could lose the body,
but that's not who you are.
And that's not, you know, that's just what you express as
I know Mike's familiar with it.
Uh, I don't know if, uh, you other guys are familiar with,
um, uh, Corey Goode's stuff,
but, uh, one, one of the things that I watched with him on,
uh, wisdom teachings,
or one of the things, one of
his interviews, I can't remember.
He is, he is there pouring his heart out
and telling, uh, these, these beings that he talks to
that are, uh, Mike,
are they an our fifth supposed to be fifth, fourth.
Fourth, Fourth. Yeah.
So they're, they're a little higher than us.
They're living outta love. They've,
they've transformed that density.
And Corey said at one point,
he was like telling him about all his strife
and these things that are, and he's, you know,
he is poured his heart out to them
and they're going, oh my God, what a,
what an opportunity for growth.
And dude, that the way he described
that echoes in my head sometimes when I'm like, why?
Oh, shut up. Bad, Shar, I love you, but I Good god.
Yeah. Yeah. Because you see it as a,
as an opportunity for growth.
You know, that's put on that, that armor of love.
You, you're certainly not bathing yourself in the ego.
You know, if you see it
as an opportunity for growth, you're,
And You have to, you're looking at it
from a different point.
The opportunity for growth is exactly commensurate
to the amount of damage you inflicted on yourself
through the experience, via your attachment
or expectation or some lower vibration
or whatever you were in that equals the opportunity
for growth is for you to understand why you were in
that space and that you don't need to be in
that space ever again.
Yep. I, I think we're coming close now to the heart of
what this last quote is on this subject
and why this, this man is, is seemingly torn
between two paths because you can't fully step into this
love, uh, this interpretation and,
and the, in the lens of love,
if you're holding onto feelings of separation
and you're holding onto that, that,
that sense of separation.
Um, and that's why they say one principle governing the use
of the deep mind must be abandoned in order
for the transformation of the mind to occur.
But I'll, I'll read this whole quote now, um,
which we read in part already,
but we'll read the whole thing now.
Um, to continue, uh, this was the next session, I guess
I would like to make the additional observation.
Don said, with respect to card six,
that the male's arms being crossed, if the female
to his right pulls on his left hand,
it would in effect turn him his
entire body toward the right.
And the same is true for the female on the left,
pulling on his right hand.
She will turn his entire body to her side,
which is my interpretation of what's meant by the tangle
of the arms that the transformation occurs by pole,
which attempts to turn the entity
toward the left or right hand path.
Would raw comment on this observation, Andrah said,
we shall, the concept
of the pole towards mental polarity may well be examined.
And the light of what the student has already accreted
concerning the nature of the conscious exemplified
by the male and the unconscious exemplified by the female,
indeed both the prostituted
and the virginal of deep mind invite and await the reaching.
They didn't use the word pull. They, they liked the,
the word invite and await the reaching
in this image of the transformation of the mind.
Then each of the females points the way it would go,
but is not able to move,
nor are the two female entities striving to do so.
They are at rest. The conscious entity holds both
and will turn itself one way or the other,
or potentially backwards and forwards rocking first one way
and then the other, and not achieving the transformation.
In order for the transformation of mind to occur,
one principle governing the use
of the deep mind must be abandoned.
So we can stop right there
and discuss that, that funny image of rocking backwards
and forwards, perhaps in the sinkhole of a difference
or, um, the, the ignorance
of the choice that needs to be made.
Yeah. And so we'd say that the principle in this case
that governs the use of the deep mind is,
um, the polarity.
Right? So one, one polarity has
to be abandoned in favor of the other.
Yeah. Just like, uh, Nathan was saying earlier,
Arguably the first choice, I mean, you know,
the first conscious choice.
Once you finally become aware that this is even a thing,
then you do have to do a gut check
and say, gosh, how am I wired here?
Yeah. It seems like you kind of end up having
to reset yourself a number of times
before that transformations actually made.
And I think it was something you were saying, Andrew, that
that made me think, since it has, um,
the conscious has both hands on, on the shoulders there.
So it's like you're receiving almost temptations from the
other side the whole time through.
So until you can a hundred percent choose down
that one path there, you're constantly, well, you know,
you could, you could go, you could use this
or you could strengthen yourself separation.
It's like this constant reminder being shown at you.
So until it's, um, yeah.
A truly conscious intention to, to step into that one side,
you're, you're receiving both, both sides,
I guess, right? Yeah. The sinkhole.
Yeah. You start there until you start choosing
and then up. Yeah.
I think that's the rocking back
and forth then at that point.
So it's, it's so easy just to kind
of be wishy-washy between them.
Yeah. Oh man. Place
To see. And it, it
is nice that the, uh, you know,
the unconscious mind that sea of potential is, is,
you know, showing you that there's, you can go either way.
There's all potential.
There's all, you could go this way, you go that way there,
but these are the extremes.
These are the ways that we would go.
And then the conscious mind has to make that choice.
Yeah. This really seems to reflect the potentiator
quite well, just in having a polarity
on the, you know, the extremes here.
And that this is, um, orienting itself toward the choice,
which is interesting
because I think that the,
while the cycles are presented linearly
and one through seven, I'm not entirely sure
that they're not also interconnected.
And part of me has to believe that choices can be made
before we've even discovered the great way.
And before we've, we've come to understand
what transformation is and what our choices, um, lead to.
We might be making them unconsciously.
Um, but choice just seems
so present on this card in in particular.
Can you bring up, uh, the potentiator
of mind next to that image, Mike?
Yep. Because as you were talking there,
I was thinking like, yeah, it, it, it, it like,
what is the difference between the potentiator and this one?
Like, it seems to be showing that, so I'm flicking back
and forth, and I'm at, what I'm seeing is
that the potentiator over there is a true, like,
down the middle representation,
whereas now we're getting into the, the transformation.
Now you're making choices.
Now they're bringing in the,
the gin in the corner showing you,
once the transformation happens,
these things are gonna unfold.
You know, as a result, you know,
you're gonna have protection against other people to be
a complete s**t, or you could go the other way.
And, you know, and then as they described, you know,
you have have greater light on things,
and you can, you can keep going that way, um, into the,
out of the, the physical illusion.
Yeah.
I think more dynamic, there's something more, um,
like, uh, movable, I suppose, in transformation,
which makes sense as opposed to the potentiator.
That almost seems stateless.
Yeah. It's almost stagnant if it, if it didn't represent
the possibility of literally everything, you know?
Yeah. That such
A natural It does have polarity.
Yeah. Yeah. But it's got everything.
So it's also stateless at the same
time because it's all there.
Although one, one might suggest
that once a potential is chosen
and the the male principle has reached into the potentiator
and made a choice, um, I have to wonder if
that potential that was chosen is now subtracted from
the great potential of all things.
Well, and then we haven't read yet,
am I making this up where they said
that the folded arms represent transformation?
Oh, yep. We're working on that here. Oh, okay. All right.
Because I was gonna say that, you know, you,
and then you look at the potentiator
and there's almost no sharp V angles in it,
but yeah, this one is just full of 'em.
They're standing on it. Both of the, both of the, um,
the subc or unconscious minds, uh, representation have it,
he's got it across himself.
Yeah. I see. At least four triangles. Well, not even,
Let's, let's read it first.
Let's let, let's yeah. Finish and then, then dive in.
They said, it is to be noted
that the triangular shape formed by the shoulders
and crossed elbows of consciousness,
meaning the male figure, the,
the triangular shape formed by the shoulders
and crossed elbows of consciousness is a shape
to be associated with transformation.
Indeed, you may see the shape echoed twice more in the
image, each echo having its own riches to add to the impact
of this complex of concepts.
So there was one interesting thing here that,
that jumped out at me.
Um, I'll call out the first one, which is the one that, um,
Nick, you mentioned earlier, the very bottom triangle
that's immediately under his feet.
Mm-Hmm. And there's something kind of interesting about
that triangle and the one form by his shoulders
and elbows in that they are roughly, um, the same size.
And if you were to move the top one down
and the bottom one up until they're half transposed,
you would have a MEbA, you would have a two dimensional
MEbA in that you've got two
opposing tetrahedrons, um, pointing at each other.
And that is, you know, sort of the vehicle
of transformation, um, in sacred geometry, the MEbA itself.
So anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting
to see those two, um, triangles,
um, oriented toward each other.
Yeah. The bottom triangle touches the feet.
The upper triangle just goes above the feet of the,
the females and then reaches around the knees.
Those aren't parallel though, right?
Those lines are not parallel, which means that the No,
the triangles are not equivalent. Even
The triangles are offset,
like his elbows aren't over top of each other.
So when I was reading that, I was like, is it the W shape
or is it the V shape?
Well, they said it's triangle specifically, so
Yeah. But the two
triangles of his arms form that w shape.
Oh, you're saying that that one arm creates the triangle
and the other one echoes it, perhaps?
Yeah. And, and then below them is two,
uh, triangles.
And even in that one, uh, uh, uh, the one on the left there,
you know, his arms aren't crossed in front of him.
Mike are the ones, the ones on the left.
Is that the one that the, that they came up with
after they re uh, reviewed the material?
The one on the right is the redrawn version
that they ll research had.
Okay.
Interesting. Okay. There's also
a triangle in the bow and arrow. The bow
Is not Yes. That was
one that I, I was gonna say, that was
where I thought the third one was.
If you didn't count the, uh, if you didn't count the,
the, the ladies' arms.
Yeah. Um, what about you guys, Mike, Nathan, which, um,
which triangles jumped out as echoes to you guys?
Ma mainly the bottom was, is what I was noticing
Those two specifically.
Yeah. Yeah. And,
and so, um, what do you read, what do you read into these
triangles that are not equivalent to one another?
Well, first of all, I think the, the concept
of a triangle is like you have two different
sides coming into one point.
And to some degree, that's the power of the pyramid,
that you have the funneling upward into one point,
and you could have the symbol of the eye.
And, and you could, you could say
that all is collapsing into one single seeking with,
with the, the eye on the pyramid
or the principle of coming into one point or one focus.
And the, the single pointed focus,
I think is like the single pointed will, which has the,
the full power of the creator behind it, I guess
when you're single pointed in your seeking,
only seeking one thing,
and then perhaps that symbolized here with the, the feet
and the, the foundation of the, of this figure is that he,
he's seeking to come to a single point of focus.
And so the, the two different sides are,
are also represented by the, the, the, the, the,
the women sort of being in the, in the path of, of,
of the two different, if you could look at this as a path,
which I dunno if that's implicit too.
Um, 'cause it does kind
of look like there's a little path it goes back,
but it also seems like it's shape.
Yeah. It's interesting.
You kind of see behind his knees right here.
They almost did that intentionally, so you could see
that it comes to a point right there.
Yeah. And be right behind him.
But I wonder if the knees symbolize something with bowing
to reverence or something.
You're, you're forced to your knees over
this situation with the two women
Bow get started.
I just watched the, I just watched the, the, um, the one
for the one, um,
section John Anthony West is talking about the Temple
of man, the Luxor,
and they were talking about how Luxor represents the body
and the different portions
of Luxor represent the different portions of the body.
And as they go through it, they talk about the lower limb,
you know, the, the lower half of the leg,
and then they talk about the knee and the femur and all.
Uh, we gotta get together one time and watch it
because it, I mean, it's an hour program.
I'd have to take at least an hour to explain
what I'm talking about to you. Yeah.
And then hopefully we can revisit all these
and see where I might have missed some symbols.
Yeah. The triangle also,
Like one of the things that blew my mind was, uh, so your,
your blood marrow creates your red capillaries, right?
Like your, like your, kinda like your red blood cells,
like I'm, I'm, you know, idiots version of the, the term.
Um, and so your bone marrow produces
that the largest bone in your body is your femur, right?
And so as he's going into the section of the temple of man
that represents the femur, they're showing it being,
oh man, it, there's, there was just so much.
But basically it, it is, it is the, the nourishment
and fruit that powers
and drives the whole entity that the temple of man
represents your journey through the universe.
And then that portion of the temple is showing
that the whole journey is sustained and,
and nourished from that point.
And they show it in cosmic things on the wall.
But if you then superimpose the human body on top of it,
you realize that they're talking about the legs.
It's just, it, the levels of symbolism,
I mean, we, we, it, it it's a lifetime,
you know, of study.
Mm-Hmm. Speaking of which,
I mean, every one of these wisdom traditions seems like it
could just gobble you up if you wanted to spend a lifetime.
Yeah. Alright.
So did na, Nathan, did you
have anything to add on the triangles?
Um, no, honestly, I had a very similar approach to
what you just described there, Mike, with the kind
of balance and harmony and then coming together
to this single pointed decision
or higher level
of consciousness sort of choosing at that point.
So, uh, I think it's more of, yeah, just a refining,
but I'll it spare, repeating all of it.
But yeah, I came to the same conclusion,
Uh, Ray said Represents transformation partly, perhaps
because when two points become three,
a new dimension emerges, um, similar to a tetrahedron,
and Mathias Stefano describes as some primordial terms
sort of, you know, creator creation
and observer as the third point that steps back
to see these two in relationship.
And then the formation of the tetrahedron is what
sees those three in relationship.
Anyway, I thought, um, just trying to find out why, um,
they attach transformation to triangles, specifically
ThereI, like relation to like, say like the trendy
or something like that within the triangle, the three. And
Yeah, to me that transformation, I mean, the point
and the point in the center of the circle
or a line, I mean all of these, um, are some progression,
consciousness and development.
But the, the third one does seem,
because that, you know, forms the superal triad,
for example, on top of the tree of life,
I wonder if the women's arms should be seen to form a,
a suggestion of a triangle on around each person.
You have a different triangle.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
That's, that's why I was, uh,
'cause I didn't have the version on the left,
uh, available to me.
So I was just looking at the version in the book there
to the right and I was thinking, is it the double
angle forming the w or is it just the triangle?
You know, the single triangle.
Mm-Hmm. Um,
but I, I do think that it is the single triangle
because, uh, it, it it's just absolutely everywhere.
Yeah. Um, Mike,
should we answer any questions?
'cause we are getting close to Yep.
This would be a good time to, um, dive into
what was asked in the q and a
Because I, I see it popping up on my screen,
but I I just don't keep it on the screen
so I could see you guys and what's, what's happening.
Uh, so Valerie asked, is the circle the being
with the arrow representing the wheel of karma?
Uh, that's, that's a good question.
Um, I think it might represent more like the, the sun, um,
The circle. The
circle the being.
So is she talking about just the circle or the whole thing?
Because if it's the whole thing, I,
I think it represents the ego
because they, he said it, it's shielding you from
Other cells. Other
Yeah. And tell
me what protects you from other cells, the
More than your ego. Yeah,
that's it. No, no, I'm right. I'm right. You're wrong.
Yeah, exactly. And it does seem kind of angry
and ready to attack anything
and anyone that you encounter on the left hand path.
Yeah. I mean, just the simple fact
that it's pitched forward,
the draw the bow is drawn, you know what I mean? It's all,
It's drawn. Exactly.
Yeah. Ready to fire.
Yeah. And then, uh, on the positive side, someone
who makes you feel love
or compassion would do the same thing.
IE both, both way equal loose. Oh, okay.
As raw has said
that the difference in polarity is the angle of attack.
Yeah. That the little things
are what helps keeping you balanced.
Being too positive means
that you can become negative as I've experienced it.
Yeah.
So, Ray, what did you, Ray said? Is the sash a triangle?
What did we mean by the sash?
Um, maybe around, Oh,
the sash on the conscious being in the middle,
on the right hand side.
It looks like it forms two, uh,
Two on this one.
Yeah. On top of each other.
Two triangles on top of each other. Yeah.
Even hers to an extent.
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
Now, I, I wonder what,
what other versions of this there are.
It looks like they reversed which one this,
this triangle thing was on from this version.
Right. Well, and they also, uh,
I don't know if it was in one of the sessions you gave us,
Mike, or if it was adjacent to, um,
but I, I was reading how they were saying like,
we're using the cc Z version, uh,
but we can't get the copyright to it
and we want to use this version.
'cause we, you know, and Rob basically says, you know, like,
doesn't, don't look too deeply into the version.
Yeah. Can't see the forest with trees type stuff.
I also find it interesting that there's a,
a very clear on each of these, there's, the veil
is present over the arms as it was, I think in, um,
some other symbols like the, the catalyst, uh,
of mined had the veils over the arms. The,
And, and a translucent veil at that, remember?
'cause there was a difference in the
Yeah.
And yeah. Do we, we tend to interpret that as meaning
that while it's of the feminine energy and is
therefore mostly subconscious, um,
we are gaining a, a greater ability to become aware of kind
of what's driving us subconsciously
and that the veil's sort
of becoming a little bit more permeable as Don puts it,
but more just so that we can see what's actually driving our
own motivations and biases.
Yep. Yep. And the veil is more
and more lifted as we reach it for the great way,
which is they ask us to study the transformation
of mind in the, in the context of the great way.
These are the two to look at together.
So next month we'll definitely, uh, touch on the, the,
the combination of these two
and what that could, that could mean.
But yeah, the lifting of the veil is always a part
of this process, I think.
And digging deeper into the nature
And the semi permeability of it in this card,
I think represents the fact that
you're never making a fully blind choice.
You know, you, you, your intellect
and your wisdom is always at play
and it can always affect your choice.
In other words, you're never a victim in this.
Yeah, I would agree. You make the choice.
I would, I would go so far as to say, I think
what raw has said, to put it slightly differently though, is
that the transformation is sort of equivalent to the level
of consciousness
and will that we're applying to any particular choice.
Yep. I mean, it's what drives the transformation,
which means that as we're making unconscious choices,
we're not really transforming much, which means
that transformation
as an archetype is not really very heavily employed
or used as often by the less conscious
or by those not actively choosing to
try to, um, progress.
Right. Go back
to the one you guys were talking about last time.
The, uh, the, the 90 degree skirt
or the, the sharp angled skirt.
Oh, that's number four. That's the experience. Yeah.
Yeah. Look at, now I may be going way out
of proportion here, or I may be spot on, but who, who knows.
But look at the surface to self, Beth,
and look how much longer that transformation skirt
IE the triangle is.
So if you have to be 95% evil,
and that's 95% of the distance,
and that's 51%, see
how the greater distance on the side that you need more of.
Yeah. I think that Don actually suggested,
I don't remember whether raw confirmed it or not,
but Don suggested that the skirt was wider on the left side
because there's a greater distance between self
and other selves on the left hand.
Right. Yeah. Did and did R confirm that was that? Yes.
Yeah. He talked about that and he,
and he also talked about how the foot being over
that way was like an indicator of like protecting Yeah.
And, and, and, you know, all these things that,
that Don was, uh, I'm still baffled that he was able
to coherently put these questions together,
but that could have been another level of the symbolism,
you know, like you're gonna have
to go much further in this path than you will on this path.
Yeah. But, but perhaps that's the part of the process
of this, the need for this gin
pushing, pushing you further with
that, that protective arrow.
Yeah. Helping you. Yeah.
Yeah. I also found it interesting that there's fruit
and there there's a wings in the,
it seems like it's a wing Mm-Hmm.
In the, in the hat
or the, I don't call the hat head the headdress
of the positive.
And then there's fruit bearing fruit in the hair of the,
of the negative of the,
For some reason when I saw the grapes, I was wondering if
that's not wine and alcohol and debauchery
or something going along with that. Or if I,
Or I thought of the apple, the serpent gave the apple.
There you go. Yeah.
Well that's actually kind of what I was thinking too along
the lines of the, the temptation there basically
of you trying to,
or making it look appealing in that kind of sense,
or maybe more of a physical lust in that sense too.
Well, and that again is the, the, uh, you know,
getting caught into physical world, you know, sloth
or, um, gluttony, you know?
Yeah. As opposed to the snake of wisdom,
which is much more of a higher chakra, um, manifestation.
Yeah. On the other one.
So it is kinda going back to what we were talking about
and how Ray, you know, brought that up or,
or Valerie, about the being absorbed into the illusion.
And, and Ross said, you know, it's um,
I think something along the lines of your shallowly correct.
Like there's, there's a certain amount to that
because the left hand side necessarily requires an absolute
investment in the physical illusion
because it is the manifestation of the concept
of separation in and of itself.
Um, though it's more of a, you know, it's a, it just comes,
it comes with the territory, so to speak, as opposed to, um,
you know, we're not just absorbed by the illusion,
we are consuming it, you know? Yeah,
Yeah. That's a
good point.
Yeah. Or not choosing to subtract ourselves from it.
Yeah. That, that figure on
that side definitely represents more of like consuming,
indulging in, you know, like all of, all of those things.
But it's all just basically rooted in the principles of the,
the physical giving into the physical illusion
And separation and, and which mm-Hmm.
Um, Rob right there who choose separation.
That is really nice that, that
they're really explicit about the service to self path.
Again, being predicated on this notion, this concept
that one thing can be separate from another
and goes back to the more of the primordial
or fundamental energetic characterization of polarity, more
so than the one couched in ethics and activity.
So rather than it being about service
and who it's to so that we can measure whether it's good
or bad or what the underlying motivations are, um,
this really has everything to do with simply,
are you manifesting a reality based on the notion
that one thing can be separate from another,
which means you are invested in the illusion
and manifesting the illusion with every choice.
Or are you actively choosing an awareness
of oneness?
And coming back to that, obviously,
because 99.999% of the time, if you say,
can you bring that chair to me?
You just did it. You literally just declared that thing
as an object and an object first and foremost,
and necessarily outside of the one infinite creator,
because you didn't say, Hey, um, you know, Andrew,
would you bring me that manifestation
of the one infinite creator, which is expressing as
and through a chair in this moment, you just said the chair.
And when you, when you do that, your awareness is very much
through the lens of, of object,
which is really subjective reality,
but you're focused on an object
and it's necessarily outside of you, first and foremost.
And that's how you help, uh, second density beings
that are approaching third density.
You know, like when you talk to a pet
and you say, Hey, what do you wanna do?
You're showing them duality, you know what I mean?
Like you're showing them the, the very, the,
the like doorstep of the house of duality,
which is gonna be their next, you know?
Well, and you're, you're claiming them in love as well.
You're, you're bathing them Oh yeah.
In, in the, the vibration
and frequency of unconditional love.
Oh yeah. Because the divine quality.
And it's like, you know, that's how we ascend
to, that's how we Mm-Hmm.
Ascend with each other is by gravitating toward those
that vibrate in a way
that's just a little bit higher than us, that attracts us
to, you know, want to work that way.
And it's like, it makes sense that second density gets
to graduate the same way when they're swimming
around in unconditional love.
Um, yeah. At a, you know,
it seems like they're gonna be set up for success
to, to get harvested.
Alright. This has been a fantastic discussion.
I think we could end the recording here
and then open up Mm-Hmm.
If other people have anything to, to share.
Um, so keep on
watching your attitude towards the resources
of your own mind and the resources of others.
And thank you for tuning in. Take care.