All right.
So I guess Nathan can't make it today due to family reasons,
but we're gonna continue our journey through exploring the,
the archetypes as much deep dive, uh,
depth we can, as we can.
And so we're, we're,
we're progressing today onto the catalyst of the Mind today,
which is called the Empress.
And I'll share my screen right now.
And I,
I was telling Nick that my end goal of these explorations is
to try to get a better sense of, you know, the full picture
of what Rob was recommending with evolving to
become each archetype at will, as is most metaphysically
and spiritually helpful, which they say also is a process
of we're trying to work to develop our faith
and will through applying the principles of
what the archetypes are
and what they mean in order to be able to better become each
facet of our archetypal nature, which is the deepest aspect
of our deep mind informing all of our experiences
and how we, how we look at things.
Um, so understanding every single archetype individually
as best we can seems to be the first foundational step
that RAW recommends.
And so we're just gonna dig into every single detail
of this image today, the Empress.
And, but before we do, we haven't really had a, a, a,
a solid discussion about just Catalyst on its own.
And there's, there's like 175 references to Catalyst
or different questions
and answers where Catalyst was referenced
by, uh, Don and Ross.
So we can't even,
we can barely crash the surface on all the ways that Don
and Ross talked about Catalyst in the raw material.
But, um, I have some starting points we can,
um, dive into now.
Um, the, the, the strongest discussion of Catalyst
of the Mind was in and in general was in, um, session 93.
Um, and so I thought we could start out with one of the more
pithy, um, explanations of Catalyst
and, uh, 93 11.
Um, and,
and Don asked, I would like, if possible, an ex an example
of the activity we call the catalyst
of bind in a particular individual
under undergoing this process.
Could raw give an example of that?
And then Ross said, all
that assaults your senses as catalyst.
And they, they give, they give examples.
We, in speaking to this support group,
through this instrument offer catalyst.
So, so just by be willing to speak, that's offering a kind
of catalyst, the configurations of each in the group, a body
offer catalyst through comfort slash discomfort.
So I guess they're saying that the, the body
catalyst, the catalyst
of the body is related to comfort, discomfort.
In fact, all that is unprocessed that has come
before the notice of a mind, body,
spirit complex is catalyst.
Yeah. That's, to me, that's
what makes sense is almost anything
that comes into our awareness, which is how they open
the answer, uh, as well, with everything
that assaults your senses.
I, I literally believe that everything bears some
catalytic value
because our perception
of it immediately kicks us into this process
of experience and significant.
And, you know, we're never not, you know,
leveraging these archetypes, uh, in every moment.
So I think that almost everything is catalyst until
we take notice of it, then we start to have an experience
of it, you know, then that's when we start
to move through the archetypes,
Right?
And so it's fascinating also that we,
we don't necessarily have, uh, a conscious awareness
of matrix and potentiator until it turns into a catalyst,
um, and an experience.
But still, that's the matrix.
Matrix and potentiator are still the archetypes, which are,
are bringing forth the, I guess,
the manifestation from the deep mind, which comes up
through the unconscious mind.
And that's something that I wanna talk about,
which can be kind of confusing that, that the, the nature
of catalyst is really, um, close to the unconscious nature
of our, of our mind.
And it's coming up through like a filter of the veil
to be able to turn into experience.
It has to come through this, this, this unconscious aspect
of us that we don't really have a conscious awareness
of in order to come into manifestation in some form
that we then can turn into an experience. Um,
Yeah, I wonder how much of
that veil is based on the veil quote unquote, versus
how much of our unique experience of
that catalyst is based on what's, you know, most top
of unconscious mind, if you will, in our individual,
uh, situation.
So catalyst to, to two different people in,
in the same case is gonna be encountered,
um, very different.
And it's like, well, is it coming up through the veil
of our own kind of unconscious filtration,
or does it come up through the same veil
and then move through our own filtration process?
I think they specifically talked about this is being like
the archipelagos, the, there's the islands and then there,
and the deep mind, and then there's the biases that are kind
of filtering it through in different ways is
until it filters up into our, um, conscious mind.
So yeah, that's something to dive into
and make sure we get to that one.
Um, but I thought also it'd be fun to just start
with a dictionary definition, uh, which is
that catalyst is considered a person
or thing that precipitates an event or change.
That's, there's several definitions, but that's one.
And then I realized that's interesting.
They use the word precipitate, um,
that it's precipitating the event
because precipitation is this concept of, you know,
moisture, moisture
or particles of dust that are deposited from the atmosphere,
um, or over from a vapor or suspension.
So there's like a different, um, kind of state of water
that is unseen
and it turns into the, the solid
that then then falls down from the sky and becomes seen.
And I realize that's kind of like what it's,
Do you have, um, that, um, definition of precipitation on,
on a different screen right now?
No, I'll pull it up here. Um,
because as you were saying that,
I was sitting there thinking, you know, what is the, the,
the root here in this word that, that seems more like
it's in a linear or causal fashion,
and I'm getting like, um, almost like precipice,
which has a, has a similar, uh, route, which is telling you
that you are on the verge of something.
Yeah. So the Latin is, uh, prey
before, um, I dunno if I'm saying that right.
Um, and then kaput head
headlong throne headlong,
Huh.
So, okay, it's from before, but
The definition that you brought up though still kind
of makes me think that we're each drawing, um,
like, so the same objective event may not even be catalytic
for two different people that are, that are aware of it.
Yeah. Or their experience of it,
I guess I should say, can be very different.
Because anything that comes into your awareness is catalyst.
It's just whether or not it's, um, I mean,
do you want it to be highly catalytic?
Is that what we're shooting for?
Or do we simply want to notice catalyst for what it is
and process it at a,
at a different level, if that makes sense?
Yeah. I think that the efficient use of catalyst, uh,
is related to appreciation of the potential of the catalyst.
And so this, this is a discussion, we'll,
I think we'll keep coming back to is, is what,
because we're always experiencing things.
We're always having catalyst in our experience,
but we're not necessarily meet, meet meeting.
The point of that archetypal resonance,
which is the pure appreciation of the archetypal nature
of catalyst, a architectural nature of experience,
which leads to the more efficient use of experience
to become more like the creator.
And so, yeah, uh, understanding the,
the, the details of this I think are very important.
Um, but the, yeah.
Uh, I'll, I might as well skip ahead to, um, 94 11.
Um, this was a discussion
of both the catalyst and the experience here.
And, and, and inevitably,
I know we're gonna talk about the experience a lot more
next, next month when we do this
and deep dive into the experience archetype.
Um, but just to get a taste of this, um, Don had said,
I've drawn a small diagram in which I simply show an arrow,
which represents catalyst penetrating a line at right angles
to the arrow, which is the veil,
and then depositing in one of two repositories,
one which I would call on the right hand path,
one on the left hand path, which is service to surface,
to other surface to self.
And I have labeled these two rep repositories
for the catalytic action as it's filtered through the veil,
quote, the experience.
So he's saying the experience happens
when it's filtered through the veil.
Would this be a very rough analogy of the way the catalyst,
the catalyst is filtered
through the veil to become experience?
And Russ said, again, you are partially correct
the deeper biases of a mind, body, spirit complex pilot
to the catalyst around the many aisles of positivity
and negativity as expressed in the
archipelago of the deeper mind.
So it's like the grouping of islands of positivity
and negativity, which exists in the deeper mind.
However, the analogy is incorrect in
that it does not take into account the further polarization,
which most certainly is available to the conscious mind
after it has perceived the, uh,
partially pol polarized catalyst from the deeper mind.
Uh, that's pretty interesting.
So you have something that can catalyze, um,
at the unconscious level,
and then once it becomes conscious, it,
we have an opportunity to, uh, to get even more,
Push it further Polarization out
of it. Wow, interesting.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's fascinating how much of our reality is just unconscious
and we're just floating on this, this ocean full
of all these potentials, and then
when we're consciously dealing with it,
we can like build even on top of that.
And eventually, what we'd think of is as conscious
can just turn into the unconscious also,
it's like it just becomes autopilot after time.
Oh, yeah. I think that's, that's awareness.
You know, once it's, it's basically the default
and it seems like rah was,
was agreeing from the dia diagrammatic description
that Don gave, um, to the first, uh,
the first part saying those containers
that he had broken it up into are sort
of the islands of the archipelago.
And, but that once it becomes conscious, then,
then we can work with it in a, in a different way.
Right. All right.
So the next area I wanted to dive into here, um,
was 83, 27.
Um, I think that we could talk about the nature
of catalyst more broadly now.
Um, and,
and this is a, I think this is a fun place to start
for people who may wanna appreciate the nature
of catalyst A little bit better.
Um, Don was asking in this point about, um,
in some cases it seems that the use of catalyst
for people is almost in a runaway condition
for some entities, that they're experiencing much more pain
than they can make good use of, as far
as catalytic nature would be concerned.
Could you comment on our present condition
and the illusion with respect to that particular subject?
So why is there so much pain in people's lives?
Why is this catalyst hitting them like a
freight train over and over and over?
And I know a lot of people are having this kind
of condition in life and they're confused about it.
And, uh, Ross started the answer with,
you may see in some cases an entity which, either
by pre-incarnate of choice
or by constant reprogram reprogramming, while incarnation
has developed an a Syrian program of catalyst, which means
very greedy, uh, trying to receive
as much catalyst as possible.
So they're saying also that an entity either could
pre-incarnate choose these catalyst
or be constantly reprogramming their catalyst while
incarnation, which is fascinating here
because they put this, uh, side by side that, um, we,
we can be constantly choosing like on a deep unconscious
level, which I assume is related to the,
the potentiator also, that we're, we're constantly choosing
to, um, take on more catalyst
and, and it just have it be something our soul is,
is craving, uh, not just
before we're born that we crave to have a lot
of experiences, but
but also while we're alive, we continuously re reprogram
for more and more and more to occur in our lives.
Do you think that this, this particular question
and answer are sort of, um, conveying
that catalyst is, um, always synonymous with pain
or that it's always a pain process? No,
No. This is just
in general, we're talking about, um,
For those that are experiencing a lot of pain, pain,
all pain is catalyst, but not all catalyst is pain painful.
Right? Definitely. Okay. All right.
Um, such an entity is quite desirous,
so now they're talking specifically about an entity
which is programmed for pain.
Sure. Um, such an entity is quite desirous
of using the catalyst
and has determined to its own satisfaction that
what you may call the large board needs to be applied
to the forehead in order
to obtain the attention of the self.
So I thought I appropriate that I use as much humor
as possible when addressing the subject of pain, too.
Oh man. Yeah,
because this is, this is
very much the way that that pain works.
I, if you could see it on a metaphysical level,
I think we'd be laughing more at ourselves.
Oh my gosh, indeed.
That's, I'm sure that's exactly what it looks like too.
Yeah. So we're trying
to obtain the attention of the self.
So some aspect of ourself is trying
to get the attention of the conscious mind.
It would seem,
It's a good point. The
attention of the self, I mean, self in these circles is,
you know, a very ambiguous word.
Yeah. That whole section always sounded to me like, uh,
you know, you gotta learn a lesson,
but if you're continually put with,
if you're continually interacting with a catalyst that puts
that lesson in front of you, and you choose not
to learn the lesson, then you're gonna get two catalysts
that are gonna try and put that lesson to you.
And then if you choose not to engage with it in the way
that your, your subconscious is trying you to move,
you know, I would say most of the time you're trying
to move yourself into a more service to other selves path.
If you keep choosing that service to self, then
that one catalyst turns into two, the two turn into four,
the four turn into eight.
Like, you're just gonna keep coming across that, uh,
that potential lesson to be learned
until you learn the lesson.
And that's what they're talking about.
In my mind, that's what they're talking about
with the, with the larger board.
Like you, you know, you're just gonna keep hitting yourself
until the board gets so big.
So you're like, all right, fine. I get it now.
Well, this is also implying
that the self is not attentive.
And so I'm thinking this as the state of awakened this or,
or unawakened or conscious or unconscious.
And I'm, you know, trying to think of it in those terms of,
it's trying to get the attention of the self.
That's gotta be, you know, the process of waking up
and going, oh, I must be experiencing this over
and over again for a reason, and it's not, you know,
because I'm just really good at having a bad day.
Yeah. I think that's what that, that section
where they say either by preincarnated choice
or by constant reprogramming while in incarnation, that
that's what the second part of that is to me, when they,
the constant preprogram
Pre choice even. So
that, that is kind of mind blowing in that case too.
I could see a lot of catalyst being one thing,
but if, if they're using this in conjunction
with this particular type of catalyst, which is painful
to have someone choose that pre-incarnate to say, okay, I,
I think I'd like to experience a lot of pain in this life.
I mean, clearly we do, uh, but wow.
Um, it's just interesting that I tend to think of that life
between lives as this moment of clarity
and access to higher level consciousness.
And in fact, I think that it is,
but I think it's relative for all of us.
And I think it, it, you know,
and in between any two lives, you know, we're,
we're at different levels than we are
between any other two lives.
And, um, that to me still seems,
I wanna say largely unconscious.
I mean, our, our choosing for painful experience
seems unnecessary.
Well, the way I see it is, is almost like guardrails
where, you know, you know, let's,
let's say barbed wire guardrails Yeah.
Walking down a path, and you don't want to go off that path.
You really don't wanna go off that path and you see it.
And so you say, well, I'm gonna work
with this person at this point in my life.
If I go off the path, I want there
to be somebody who's gonna make sure that barbed wire is,
is, is ready for me right there so I can,
I can just get enough of a prick
that I go back the other direction.
And I think that there's well,
But that, that helps you avoid it,
or the way that you describe it is, is more like, you know,
containing, whereas this is, um, an entity quite desirous
of using the catalyst, um, you know, for pain.
And, and it could be
because they have a habit from, uh, past lives of going,
going off the path that they were.
Yeah. And that's, that's what I've been sort
of thinking a lot of lately is, um, karmic context, sort
of zooming out one level
and saying is, is our karmic experience this life, um,
you know, most, um, impacted
by our most recent incarnation?
Or obviously a big amalgamation of all
of them obviously would, would seem to be the case.
But then again, some of our very choices pre-incarnate may
be due to, oh, and this life I just had, I did A, B, and C,
and now I'm gonna do X, Y,
and Z to experience, you know, the opposite polarity.
Um, while learning through extremes is also challenging,
uh, obviously because of all the pain
that Don's asking about.
Yeah. I always
get lost in those thought experiments where you're like,
okay, I'm on this third
density experience.
And then think back to yourself
before you, in incarnated into this third density
experience, setting up all the things for yourself
and then like, who,
how, who, what oversees all of that.
You know, they're, they're talking about, some people choose
to have a ton of catalysts, uh,
who's on the other end going like, that's gonna be rough.
What point are we not one enough to choose
to have this extreme version of a lifetime?
And, you know, at what point do we have the distinct ability
to choose the extreme version?
And at what point, how far back do you have to go
before you're like, I wanna go extreme.
You probably should take a little easy, I wanna go extreme.
You should probably go a little easy.
And then at some point it's like, I wanna go extreme
and then, well, I'm not gonna tell you what
to do, you know, like, right.
Well, that's the higher self.
I think that's, as you attain consciousness over, you know,
many lifetimes you might, you know,
release the need to learn that way.
But I, I would put the question to both of you.
If you died today
and were making this decision tonight, you know,
and woke up tomorrow in another
painful third density incarnation,
would you really feel like you know, that you had made a,
a much more conscious decision and you did the last time?
I mean, honestly, if to, to do it all over again,
or certainly to do it in a way that that incurs a lot
of pain to me, would, would not be very indicative
of much advancement, uh, of my own in this lifetime.
I prefer to choose none at all, frankly.
I, I just would rather not have to learn through anything
painful at all.
And, and I've been taught, you know,
via various channel teachings that, that
that's not something that's impossible
nor something that, um, we shouldn't be striving for.
I, I think the key point is that the willingness to
perceive that there is curriculum that needs to be learned
and the willingness to keep on learning
and accepting the lessons and,
and questioning what, what haven't I learned and,
and keep on allowing yourself to grow
and learn, is the thing that avoids the need for, uh,
even catalyst on the physical plane of any kind.
And that's something we really need to get into soon here,
is the, the difference between catalyst on the mind,
the mental plane versus catalyst on a physical plane.
Because yeah, pain can be of a mental nature, pain can be
of a physical nature,
and they say the more, uh, the catalyst is dealt
with on the mental plane of any kind of catalyst,
then the less it's needed
to be explored in the physical plane.
And I think that we can develop the, um,
on the spiritual side of things, we could develop catalyst
and, and see even a greater level of transformation
of our lives and openness to basically just radiance
and positivity in our lives as we,
as we appreciate the nature of the spiritual catalyst, first
and foremost, as pushing us more to become one with the,
you know, the light of the creation itself
and, you know, the, the infinite love of God.
I think that's really where we find just the ecstasy
of being just radiating at all times
And well said, sign me up for that.
Yeah. And that, and that would, you know, if, if you can
find that, then all of all
of these quote unquote pains would kind of go away, right?
'cause you would be so immersed in the knowledge of one
that you would realize that all of this is just temporary.
All of these pains are of the physical body,
but you are far more than the physical body.
And therefore you could face all the pains in the world,
but you would never feel the pain
because you would be living in that truth.
But how do you get to that point?
And is that what the cattle, the point
of the physical realm catalysts are for you
to learn the lesson
and pro progress to a point where, point where you live
so much bathed in the love
and the light of the one that none of the stuff in,
in separation from the one can harm you?
Yeah, I think that's exactly what we needed
to do is boil this down another step further and,
and to point out that pain can't happen outside
of, of a belief in separation.
And, and you, you mentioned truth
and you mentioned separation,
and yeah, that's the, that's the cause of pain.
And so if there's anything I could choose going into my next
incarnation, whether it's in physical form
or not, um, it would simply be that that's it.
To finally have a new baseline foundational awareness
and understanding of the one infinite creator
that I never have to think about again.
That the entire idea
that something could be separate from anything else.
Um, we're now forgotten, and that's all I would want
and be prepared to learn any
and everything that I can moving from there.
But learning that lesson, I think is the one
that produces all the pain
because we're insistent that we are separate
and that everything is separate and it manifests physically.
So we're talking about catalyst of the mind
that then when you're sick in, in the mind,
you will manifest sickness in the body.
So I mean, these two things are, are one
and the same, one just sort of causes
and manifests as the other.
And just like you said, Nick, if it's not dealt
with in the mind or Mike, I forget,
but, um, then yeah, you're gonna deal with it in the body.
I'm gonna bring up another one here
that wasn't on the originally intended, uh, schedule.
But, uh, Don asked, I have wondered about the action
of random and program catalyst with respect to the entity
with the very strong positive or negative polarization.
Uh, would either positive
or negative entities be free
to a great extent from random catalyst occurring, such as,
let's, let's take a general, uh, example
of natural catastrophes or warfare or something like that.
It generates a lot of random catalysts, um,
in the physical vic vicinity of a highly polarized entity.
Um, they're talking about the cat in the, um,
experience of this, of the mind.
We'll talk about that next month too.
Um, does the cat, which is representing this protection,
have an effect on such random catalyst upon the right hand
path, the, the service to others path?
This random catalyst?
And Ross said in two circumstances, this is, so, firstly,
there has been the pre-incarnate of choice that,
for instance, one shall not take
life in the service of the culture.
Group events shall fall in a protective manner.
Secondly, if an entity is able to dwell completely in unity,
the only harm that may occur to it is the changing
of the outward physical yellow ray vehicle into the more
light-filled mind, body,
spirit complexes vehicle by the process of death.
All other suffering and pain is
as nothing to one such as this.
So they're talking about an entity which is dwelling
completely in the state of unity, essentially doesn't even
see pain or suffering as a thing.
It's like nothing. And compared to that, that
that great light of the unity.
Yeah. But they say, we may note
that this perfect configuration of mind,
bodying spirit complexes
with while within third density vehicle
is extraordinarily rare.
But that's essentially where we wanna get to. That's
That what they're trying to teach us to get to.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. If you were there,
then you wouldn't need to come back, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Alright. This reminds me of the, when they say that like,
um, like a great teacher, uh, will take acid,
and they're like, what, what's the difference?
You know, because they're always living in that life,
you know, the, that, that, that when they take this,
you know, supposedly mind altering substance,
it doesn't affect them because they're already there.
They're already living in that place of unity.
Yeah. I wonder about the, the physiological ramifications
of like that full level kind of guru level Christ,
you know, manifested, um, um, enlightenment,
um, like on the pineal gland
and on the, um, posterior singular cortex where sort
of the ego is more
or less attached to in psychedelic circles anyway.
And it makes me wonder if, if you can almost atrophy
that thing enough to the point where, yeah, your,
your attachment to reality, as most people know, it
is not, uh, not present anymore.
And, and then yeah, you're pretty much having a
psychedelic experience all the time.
Yeah. I think that, uh,
inherit in, you know, the condition
that you're talking about, the, the, um, you know,
risen master is the ability for them to bounce back
and forth between the physical and the non-physical.
I think it's a ma it's a mastery of both planes, so that,
you know, yeah, you can take, you know,
a hallucinogenic substance and it doesn't affect you
because you already live in that place.
But you don't just disappear into that place
because you have a mastery such that, you know, you can,
you can go back and forth between the physical
and the nonphysical, if that makes sense.
Oh, yeah, no, I, I would agree
that full mastery would, uh, amount to that.
And it also makes me, it's curious
that the posterior ing cortex is located, you know,
basically at the center of the brain.
And so, um,
accordingly it would be one of the very hardest parts
of the brain to damage.
Meaning, you know, as I sit here
and wonder about, of all the traumatic brain injuries
and all the things, I wonder what somebody who had
that particular part of their brain damaged, you know,
what their experience would be like.
And it's kind of you, it's impossible nearly to have damage
to that part of the brain without obviously the,
the parts surrounding it or some parts surrounding it.
And, um, so I don't know
that you could have a very clear example of what
that would be like to live with a diminished
or non-existent physiological manifestation of
what, where the ego lives.
But if you think about it, the ego putting itself,
like physiologically at the very center
of the brain also kind of makes sense.
It's putting itself as far away from everything outside
of itself as it possibly can protecting itself with,
you know, everything around it.
Well, I'm ready to jump back into, um, finishing this, uh,
Yeah. Discussion on
the catalyst of the,
the one who's chosen a very, um, challenging,
uh, lifetime of catalyst.
Um, yeah, they said
after they said, um, this person has determined
to its own satisfaction that you may,
what you may call the large board needs to be applied
to the forehead in order to
obtain the attention of the self.
In these cases, it may indeed seem a great waste
of the catalyst of pain
and a distortion towards feeling the tragedy of
so much pain may be experienced by the other self.
We may have a lot of sympathy for these people.
Um, why are they, it, it's so sad
that they're in this pain, however it is.
Well, to hope that the other self is grasping that,
which it has gone to some trouble to offer itself,
that is the catalyst which it desires to use
for the purpose of evolution.
And it's interesting in these situations, it's,
it's sometimes it's the hardest thing to tell someone,
don't you think this might be,
or there might be a reason for this.
Um, and, and diseases that way too.
You know, it's like I, if I'm experiencing some phy physical
ailment, I, I definitely wanna assume there's something
metaphysical behind it and start there
and just keep searching.
What, what does this mean? What does this mean?
But if someone's going their whole life, it can be helpful
to tell someone, it's possible that you chose this
before you were born to have, have extra
push for some kind of growth.
But some people are offended by that kind of concept
that they could be, um, a lesson.
Oh, a hundred percent. And that's literally empowerment,
and that's a, a key, like that is one
of the most empowering realizations
or thoughts that, that you can have, which is control
of your own experience
and going, yeah, I, I asserted my will to,
to create everything in my experience, um, versus
complete abrogation of that responsibility and,
and saying, no, this is all completely outside of me.
I'm nothing but a victim. Um, to me that,
that defines unconsciousness quite literally.
Right. Alright.
So the nature of where, how this catalyst
works, uh, initially was described
in the archetypal sense in 78, 36.
Um, this is several sessions
before they started diving deep into the, the,
the archetypal image of the, the empress.
Here they will, they will get into soon.
Um, and Don asked,
I was asking if the third archetype was the empress,
and was it correct to say that this archetype had to do
with discipline and meditation?
And Ross said the third archetype may be broadly grasped
as catalyst of the mind, thus it takes in far more
than discipline and meditation.
However, it is certainly through this faculty,
the discipline meditation,
the catalyst is most efficiently used.
The archetype three is perhaps confusedly called empress.
Although the intention of misnomer this naming is the
understanding that it represents the unconscious
or female portion of the mind complex being first,
shall we say, used or ennobled by the male
or conscious portion of the mind, thus the noble name.
So this, this is a, a key phrase here to understanding the,
the symbolism of these archetypes is the, the ennobling
and the word a noble means lend greater dignity
or an ability of character to, so this may be
what you were just talking about, Andrew, with becoming more
conscious that this is, this is a very, very valuable thing.
Um, and we could take, take power as the nobility of our,
of our mind is, is perceived.
Yeah.
Um, so other, other part of this was very fascinating
to me is the, um, the fact that discipline meditation is how
catalyst is most efficiently used.
Um, and we're, we're talking about specifically a catalyst
of the mind, but I suppose really discipline meditation will
help with, um, any kind of catalyst.
I agree. Totally. I think
that even if you're sitting there
pontificating on the catalyst of the body, in your mind,
that's where the work is, is ultimately being done.
So catalyst of the body,
and we, we haven't talked a lot in these, uh,
discussions about, you know, how one, um, complex
or an archetype within one complex relates to,
or becomes, you know, part of another.
So for example, um, catalyst
of the body might become experience in the mind,
for example, the experience of pain
and the experience of anguish has a very mental,
mentally taxing, um, toll.
Right? And this is also a process that I wanna get into
once we get into the body archetypes more as
that they recommended studying in groups,
studying consciousness of the, the matrix of the body,
the matrix of the mind, uh, together studying catalyst
of the mind, catalyst of the body together,
experience the mind, experience the body together.
And we, I think, we'll, we'll,
we'll study in multiple ways when we get
to get a chance to compare these.
Um, and so the other, the other part
of this here is the, the discussion of the unconscious
or female portion of the mind, which is the potentiator.
And it's, and it's, it's no longer the archetype
of the potentiator once it is first used
or viewed by the conscious portion of the mind or ennobled.
So it's almost like there's a, a dance going on between the,
the masculine and feminine
with the conscious and the unconscious.
And the, the, the matrix is the unfed conscious mind.
The potentiator is the, the infinite, uh, well,
that is dipped into the infinite ocean
of potential, uh, in the mind.
And then once that potential is something that the male can,
can perceive coming back to it, then that's the catalyst.
It's almost the beginning of the union of the, of the male
and female, but it's expressed as female
because I think it's the deepest depth of what is coming out
of the unconscious into the experience, into the,
Its coming, coming outta the potentiator.
Right. So that at this point, it is sort
of emerged from the unconscious into conscious awareness as
effectively the product of the matrix
and the potentiator together,
because it took the matrix dipping in to, to choose
and re retrieve more
or less what was gonna come out of the potentiator.
And so this, they worked together to produce.
Right. And it's interesting also that
before the veiling occurred in our, our own universe,
before the veiling of the conscious unconscious minds even
occurred, there was no such thing as catalyst.
There was just an awareness of this potential.
And there was no experience either.
Um, there was just that, well,
maybe I should reread that part.
Um, but,
but I think that was, yeah, I think that,
I think there are some quotes on this, we can get to that.
Um, they were talking about
before the veiling, there was no need for the catalyst, uh,
because it was, the catalyst is a process of the veiling
allowing only certain things back into the awareness
That makes sense.
Experience.
So the potentiator dips into the matrix
to form the catalyst,
The matrix dips into the potentiator.
Yep. Matrix dips into the,
to form the catalyst. And which I,
I also see it, I, I've considered, it's almost like, um,
asking the universe for something
and then starting to get an answer
with, with your will. Oh,
Yeah. I think about
that in, in, in terms of the vortex.
Anytime we're thinking about spiritual seeking, for example,
but I, it expands to every sort of problem solving
or creative practice,
particularly when you've got two or more people.
You've got the doubling effect that raw teaches us about.
And I think that's exactly what's happening, is
that we're creating a vortex into the potentiator.
And the more of us that we're,
and the more tuned into what it is that we're looking for,
and the greater an understanding that we bring to it is
what creates the, the pull effectively of the vortex itself
and how deep we might be able to reach in
and what we might be able to pull out.
Right? So the, the matrix dips into the potentiator,
and then before the veiling process, that's
the whole playing poker and knowing everybody's hand, right?
Then the veiling process comes and the catalyst is created
because now you have to choose how
to play your hand without knowing.
So,
Right. But it's a two step
process, right?
Because both the catalyst
and the experience are dependent on the, on the veils.
So one, the catalyst is coming up somewhat unconsciously,
like due to our biases that are kind of inbuilt,
but then it becomes conscious
and we get to further work with it and in polarization.
And we do that by our experience of it.
So basically what I'm getting at, like,
you know how this goes where you, you're getting
information, but how do I put it into words
to get it to come across?
Basically what I'm getting at here is that
the, without the veil, the catalyst
and the experience don't happen in this linear fashion.
The matrix dips into the potentiator, and you know what?
Everybody else's hands are at the poker table,
therefore all of the potentials play out instantaneously
because you have the ability to know all of them.
If I do this, I lose. If I do that, I win.
If I do this and he does that, I lose, if I do this
and he does that, I win, you know, all at one time.
The minute that veil drops, now
the catalyst is put in front of you, the cards are dealt,
and then the experience happens
because you sit there in your individuated bubble reading
your cards, thinking what you think the other players have,
And making choices, And then putting something into
action, meaning the experience,
Well making, making a choice ultimately, which I think is,
is the final archetype.
And I think all of these play a role in every choice.
And I think that we're choosing in every moment,
and that we actually collapse into these things function
so quickly and so fluidly
and simultaneously that they always culminate in a choice.
And I think every choice, choice is the vehicle
of manifestation and is the choosing of the next reality
that's forthcoming.
And the, and the choice builds
the experience in real time.
Well then it, it creates the next potential, right?
So then you have to get back into the potentiator to see,
okay, now what comes, you know, following this choice, Mike,
what are the other archetypes that were not present prior
to the veiling?
Was it only a catalyst and experience, or I mean risk there?
It'd a great way. So what, but I mean this is it.
The very beginning of this universe,
there was only the matrix, the potentiator
and the significant, and that was enough,
uh, before the veil.
That was enough for evolution to occur.
It was just very slow. Okay?
And then, so gradually it was discovered catalyst
experience, and some universes, some logos
in our universe explored
with just having catalyst emphasized,
just having experience emphasized,
just having transformation emphasized.
So that was discussed. Um,
but yeah, the catalyst experience, uh,
the transformation in great way were appreciated much more
because of the veiling process and the, the subdivision
and the com, the, uh, the, the complex nature
of the significant for it was more simple.
Now it's more complex that allowed more of an interplay of,
of, of the sub sub logos with the sub logos,
where now there's this individuated in individuated
free will experience
to explore in these different ways. Um,
You said it created a greater appreciation
of those archetypes,
but you did say also specifically catalyst
and experience did not exist prior to the veiling.
Well, or also it's somewhat in great way.
This is fascinating because I don't know if we can say
they didn't exist because they weren't yet appreciated
or discovered, but this is a weird philosophical issue
maybe, maybe for another day,
but it's like, yeah, I don't,
I don't know how you would say it.
Um, because it said that they were discovered,
I think all one says that the archetypes were discovered.
So that's almost as though that they were, they were there,
but they, but the concept of the creator hadn't fully formed
the, the mental image of what that, what
that archetype could be,
Meaning different sub logo.
I had not yet tweaked that particular thing. Yeah.
But to your point, it was as much a discovery
as was anything, which to me is very fascinating
to bring back that the logo a all the way
above us are all in the same fractualize learning pattern
that we are, you know, we think of, we tend to think
of everyone that's north of us as
omniscient, you know, basically.
And, um,
and yet we also know that that, you know,
six density social memory complexes like raw are still
exercising karma.
Yeah. Still, still learning what it means
to be the creator in seemingly separated manifest form.
Yeah. Alright.
So one more quote I wanted to get to,
and then I want to dive into one more example of catalyst
and then we can get into the image.
Um, but this is very related to what we're talking about.
Don asked the question in 94 then prior
to the veiling process, that which we call catalyst
after the veiling was not catalyst simply
because it was not efficiently creating polarity
because this loading process, you might say
that I've diagrammed, I don't know what the diagram is.
This loading process of di of catalyst passing
through the veil and becoming polarized experience
was not in effect because the viewing of
what we call catalyst by the entity was seen much more
clearly as simply an experience of one creator,
not something that was a function
of the other mind body spirit complexes.
And Ross said this, the concepts discussing without
significant distortion.
Um, but it might not be the best wording of it,
but this is kinda what we're talking about, I think.
Yeah, A catalyst wasn't very catalytic
because the outcome was known.
Like Nick said, we know the poker hands.
And so we, it was just, um, it wasn't polarized experience,
which again, polarity is so completely
central and integral to, um,
our experience in this universe.
I don't wanna say of the law of one itself specifically,
because I don't know that polarity, it's not one
of the first three, obviously primary distortions,
but certainly in our experience here, um,
polarity has become, I mean, it's,
it's built into our entire methodology of physics
and you know, I mean, just our whole understanding
of everything is in opposites,
Right?
That's, uh, in 93.7 is a, is a good, uh, example of it.
I say that the, uh, well, I'll, I'll, uh,
I'll, I'll preface with the answer is your,
your supposition is correct.
'cause this is one of those ones where Don
goes off on a thing.
So what he's saying here is perceived to be correct.
And he says, uh,
and I am assuming that the third archetype is, shall I say,
loaded in a way so as to create possible polarization.
And this is the, this is the one little sentence that,
I mean, if you just breezed over it, you, you could miss,
he says, because that is the primary objective
of this particular logos.
So the whole point of this solar system
is for polarization.
And I would say that the logos is doing a damn fine job
because it seems, at least on earth, everything is
so g*****n polarized right now,
like it is doing a backup job.
But like that one little sentence is huge.
Like that is the primary objective of this logos.
And then, you know, in, in Roz's beautiful way, it's like,
all right, well hold on, let me adjust.
We got some pain going on.
And it's like, give him a chance to forget that
that sentence was said and then Oh yeah, yeah.
Everything you just said is correct.
Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah.
Most of this is just talking about,
uh, Ronnie need to adjust.
Yeah. And, and, and you know, how much of that is, is,
you know, like their, their fifth density friend sees that,
oh my God, that's a big realization.
How can we get distracted from the realization pain?
Yeah. Yeah. They had to reposition Carla's body.
Yeah. All right.
So I want to, I wanna dive now more into, uh, the example
of cancer.
But I want to do that setting it up first with, um,
something I said earlier, but just clarify.
Um, uh, Don had said, this planet to me seems
to be what I would call a cesspool of distortions.
This includes all diseases
and malfunctions of the physical body in general.
It would seem to me that on this av on average,
this planet would be very,
very high on the list if we just took
the overall amount of these problems.
Am I, is my feeling correct
in this correct, in this assumption?
And Rod didn't say yes or no,
or I said, we'll review previous material
catalyst is offered to the entity.
If it is not used by the mind complex, it will then filter
through to the body complex
and manifest to some form of physical distortion.
The more efficient the use of catalyst,
the less physical distortion to be found.
There are, in the case of those you call wanderers,
not only, uh, congenital meaning from the time of birth, uh,
from the time of birth, difficulty in dealing
with the third density vibratory patterns,
but also a recollection,
however, dim that these distortions
of planet earth are not necessary
or usual in their home vibration.
Wherever the wanderer soul came from,
there is not such hardship.
Um, we over generalize as always for, there are many cases
of pre-incarnate decisions, which result in physical
or mental limitations and distortions,
but we feel that you are addressing the question
of widespread distortions towards misery
or one of one form or another.
Indeed, on some third density planetary spheres catalyst
has been used more efficiently.
In the case of your planetary sphere,
there is much inefficient use of catalyst and
therefore much physical distortion.
So the heart of this question was really, why is it
so, so challenging?
But, but the thing I wanted to emphasize is just
that if it's not used by the mind complex, it will filter
through to the body complex.
And that's how, how, how it all starts.
And this was discussed, um, a great deal in,
um, session 46, well, a little bit in 46,
but I wanna start out with, uh, something Ross said here
about the way that anger will result in cancer.
Um, and Don asked, um,
how this catalyst completes its purpose,
and Ross said the fourth density is one
of revealed information selves are not hidden
to self or other selves.
I think this was talking
specifically about fourth density also.
Um, so in the fourth density
Selves are not hidden to other selves.
That's, that's the what we're evolving into.
Um, the imbalances
or distortions which are of a destructive nature show.
Therefore, in many ob
and more obvious ways, the vehicle of the mind, body,
spirit complex, thus acting as a teaching resource
for self revelation.
These illnesses such
as cancer are correspondingly very amenable
to self-healing once the mechanism
of the destructive influence has been
grasped by the individual.
So recognizing the source of the cancer
as the metaphysical root is makes it very easy to heal it,
and it's just so hard to convince people of that reality.
Wow. And then in 46, which was,
uh, six sessions later here, um, there was a question.
Uh, so cancer is a training catalyst operating
for both polarities negative and positive
and approximately the same way.
Uh, although Ross, is this incorrect, um,
to create polarization in both directions, positive
or negative, depending on the orientation
of the entity experiencing the catalyst.
Is this correct? And Ross said this is incorrect,
and that catalyst is unconscious
and does not work with intelligence,
but rather is part of the, shall we say, mechanism
of learned teaching set up by the sub logos
before the beginning of your space time.
So it's not that we're consciously, um, working
with the catalyst, it's something that is built in
and coming into our reality from a deeper layer
of our reality, which is the sun,
the sun set up the architecture
for the way catalyst would be the,
the way the cancer would be used, I think as a catalyst.
I think that's what they're hinting at here.
This is before the beginning of your space time.
Um, do I not claim my space time
as the physically known universe?
I'm not sure it could be the third density space time
that we're experiencing here,
Because it seems that the catalyst, um,
in that catalyst is unconscious
and does not work with, so it's more like potential.
I mean, it's, it's, yeah, it's what we, we pull out
of the potential.
And so it, it comes from a realm of all possibilities,
which, you know, the, the logo sets,
sets up the universe sets up the rules, right?
Physics and all of that.
And so it does necessarily limit the, the potentials
for, um, you know, an entire space time, uh,
creation based on those rules.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, I, I guess I, I'll continue here for a bit.
So the next one was, how does cancer do this?
Learned teaching when the entity has no conscious idea of
what is happening to him when he develops cancer.
Um, so how can you learn if you don't know
that there's even a cancer in your body?
Um, and Ross said in many cases, catalyst is not used.
Hmm. And then Don asked, what is the plan for use
of the catalyst of cancer?
And then Ross said, the catalyst
and all catalyst is designed to offer experience.
This experience in your density may be loved and accepted,
or it may be controlled.
These are the two paths.
When neither path is chosen,
the catalyst fails in its design
and the entity proceeds until catalyst strikes it,
which causes it to form a bias towards acceptance and love
or separation and control.
There is no lack of space time in which
this catalyst may work.
I understand why, what does that last part mean?
I, I was interpreting that just
to mean it's always potential that you can
get something outta the catalyst.
Okay. Outta some catalyst.
Those are the two, uh, the two choices.
Love and acceptance or control, huh?
Yeah. That's great. So this is
The, the engineering of every catalyst is
to push you in one or two polarities, either
towards acceptance and love or separation
and control, which cancer very well can do that.
I think that's what they meant by the, the sub logos,
setting up this potential where it doesn't matter
who you are, that this can, you can,
you can use this in two ways, doesn't matter
what you're wanting of it, you still have that,
that ability to choose.
Um, but that's just, I mean, I'm reading too much into
that previous one, but do
You think that the, the primary, primary, um, effect
of the veiling was to remove the awareness of
the one infinite creator?
I mean, I know that we talk about all of the sort of like,
this is what it creates in archetypes and all of that,
but isn't that the, the greatest effect
of the veiling itself?
And, and so I'm, I'm only asking
because this choice to me, um, seems to reflect
going back to that choice of being in choosing
to forget the one infinite creator choosing to,
to have an experience, uh, without an awareness
of the one infinite creator.
And so the choice either to love
and accept everything as the one infinite creator,
or choose to further control that which you put
outside yourself, which is the ego.
I assume that the process of evolution is becoming more
and more and appreciating more
and more the nature of the creator. So
Those that accept that the creator, you know,
to the extent that they can accept
that the creator even exists.
But I mean, think of everyone
who are self-described agnostics, or even atheists
or, I mean, that's an a, that's an absolute denial of,
of that truth, which is that everything is one thing and
therefore everything must be controlled
because everything is its own separate entity
and including ourselves,
and we have to control it in order to create our experience.
I suppose that when they talk about the path of service
to self as being a path of sharing self-love, uh,
that's still a process of knowing the creator
through love of self.
And the more love you have for yourself,
the more you're beginning to know the creator as well.
Um, so it's kind of a paradox.
Is it? Yeah, it does seem kind of paradoxical though.
And, and it, and like, just
because you don't believe in a creator
or, you know, a pantheon of creators
or whatever it is, you know,
like you don't believe there's a God.
I know people that are, that are, uh, atheists and agnostic
and all that, but they still have a, uh,
like a great understanding
and appreciation of the process, you know,
so they might not say God or, you know, Jehovah
or, or, or, you know, whatever,
they may not name it specifically these, these things,
but they still have, uh, a greater understanding
of the process in the same respect that they understand
that, you know, if you put sugar into the body,
it's gonna manifest into energy or gets stored as fat.
You know what I mean? Like, they, I think that the veil is
way more complex than just you believe in a greater power,
or you don't believe in a greater power.
That's part of it. But I
Think it manifests because of that.
I think that this is fractualize consciousness,
and this is why it manifests this way in our reality,
because it exists within us at one level or another.
That distortion goes up way up before the, the logos and
and sub logo that exists within our reality.
And as above, so below, it's always going to express itself
and this choice to be, you know, without the creator
or to be like the creator and be in bestow
and not reception, like
however, you know, whichever kind
of tradition you want to go back to.
It's like original sin basically.
And we see it manifest itself over and over again.
And, and anyway, I I, to me, it's the worst part of,
of existence period, is, is lacking an awareness of God.
And, um, if it weren't for that,
we would have no problems ever anywhere.
And, um, that's a big choice to decide to have
that kind of experience.
And, you know, like I was saying earlier,
not one I hope to make again.
Yeah. Um,
I guess, I guess we should start digging into
the, the image now.
Um, so going back to session 93,
we were talking about, uh, yeah,
right here actually 93.7, we were talking about the,
the assumption being correct that the,
the use of catalyst is to create polarization.
And we just talking about the polarization,
being about love or control.
Um, acceptance versus control is also a way they
describe the use of anger.
Anger is meant to be funneled into acceptance or control.
And if you don't pick one of those two paths,
then it turns into a cancer in your body.
Uh, Um,
or it, it, that's certainly one of the, the main uses, uses
of the, the energy once it is not used in the mind.
Um, so, okay.
I wanted to pull up also the, the redrawn version.
I think the redrawn version had a redrawn wand. Um,
Yeah. She's holding just
the sphere.
Yeah. Um,
but we can start diving into this.
Well, if the, if, if acceptance
or control is the ultimate lesson to be learned
and cancer
is the byproduct of it, really.
I mean, have you ever been with people at the end
of their lives with cancer
who've suffered with it for a while?
I mean, they get to that point of acceptance
or control, you know what I mean?
So it's almost like you can accept
or control the catalyst that's put before you at this time,
or you can hold onto that anger
and then it pushes it way down deep
and makes it this greater larger acceptance
or control later in your life.
Where do we see, where do we see that in these drawings?
The energy of either acceptance or control
or even choice or, and where's the polarity, I guess?
Well, the, the, the whole acceptance
or control was, um, like a side note of the whole,
the whole cancer thing.
Um, but they say specifically that the, um,
the polarity is,
and I think that the other image shows it better
because instead of, instead of the,
lemme see if I get this right instead of the left hand
and the right hand being like this
and the other picture, they're completely opposite.
And that shows you polarization.
Um, and then they also said that the, um, the entity
looking off to one side denotes polarization as opposed
to facing head on, you know,
equally left or right.
The fact that the, that the empress is looking to one side
denotes the polarization.
Yeah. Like that, that other Yeah.
Uh, picture seems to have just
because, you know, this denotes right
or left a little bit better than than Yeah.
Than this does. You know what I mean?
It's a little bit more subtle, a
Little bit more of a balance to it or something like that.
Yeah. It's, it's more obvious in this
Picture. And so with her orientation
to her left, that's service
to others, is that right? That's
Itself service to itself, Left hand path.
But, but we'll, we'll, we'll touch
on that when we go through these.
Yeah. Her left or our left Her left her
Left. Oh,
okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's confusing.
Hmm. Our left is the PO service to others.
Our right is her left service to self.
Okay. So,
okay, so here's where it started.
Uh, uh, dot asked.
There seems to be no large hint of polarity in this drawing
except for the possible coloration
of the many cups in the wheel.
Part of them are colored black and part of the cup is white.
Would this indicate that each experience has within it a
possible negative or positive use of that experience
that is randomly generated by the seeming wheel of fortune?
So here he is talking about these cups going
around in this big wheel, which to me looked like a, a sun,
but I, I think that's not what was intended.
Um, although it's what we'll see here,
they said your supposition is thoughtful,
however, it is based in an addition to the concept complex,
which is astrological and origin.
So they're saying that was the part of the original drawing,
therefore, a request that you retain the concept
of polarity, but release the cups from their stricture form.
So then the redrawing had no cups on the, on the outer edge
of this shape.
Um, the element you deal with is not in motion
in its original form, but is indeed the abiding sun.
Oh, I do mean the sun here. Yeah.
The, the element you deal with is not in motion,
but it in its original form,
but is indeed the abiding sun, which from the spirit
shines in protection over all catalyst available from the
beginning of complexity
to the discerning mind, body, spirit complex.
So the sun is called the significant of spirit.
So somehow that archetype is bleeding over into this one,
uh, shining in protection over overall catalyst available
from the beginning of complexity
to the discerning mind, vice spirit complex.
That's interesting. Um, that's, do you think that's what,
that's what makes the potential of all catalysts?
I mean, it, it makes all catalyst potentially beneficial
because there's this aspect of our spiritual selves
that's saying, yes, this could be learned from,
this could be learned from, this could be
learned from Right.
Other things, not so much.
Yeah. And the way I see it is also like just the,
the nature of light and manifestation.
It's like the more we're becoming that divine light,
the more let light that light is reflecting into
our ate experience.
We have more light to work from when we have the,
the brighter, um, appreciation of
that spiritual potential of light
Yeah. Of seeing
catalyst as catalyst, for example.
And not as, you know, just simply cause for our pain.
Right? Yeah. And indeed, indeed.
You may, oh, go ahead.
I was just gonna say, if you're working from, um, a place
of, or like a vibration of light, then
when light hits you, you, you don't absorb
as much because you're already of that.
Therefore, it reflects away, like, you know how they say,
like, as I'm, I'm being blinded
by the light coming in off of the snow.
They say like, snow reflects like up more than 80%
of the light that hits it, you know?
So, you know, I mean, uh,
Bruce Lee said it be like, water, my friend.
You know, like, if, if you are of the light,
then the light doesn't hit you and absorb into you
and then go away.
It just kind of pushes, amplifies off
of you emanates from you.
Yeah.
And so then they said, and,
and it's interesting that just from guessing about the cups,
they get more about polarity in this image.
Um, indeed you may find,
you may rather find polarity expressed firstly
by the many opportunities offered in the material illusion,
which is imaged by the not white
and not dark square, upon which the entity
of the image is seated.
So we're talking about this here,
Which is the illusion, right? Physical illusion.
Yeah. Yep. Okay. It's discussed from the very
first image with the magician.
There was the square, uh,
that represented the physical, physical illusion.
And then the redrawing of this was basically the same.
So I'm gonna read that again.
Uh, polarity is expressed firstly
by the many opportunities offered in the material illusion,
Which is imaged by the not white
and not dark square upon which the
entity of the image is seated.
Secondly, upon the position of that seated entity,
it does not meet opportunity straight on,
but glances off to one side
or another in the image, you will notice a suggestion
that the offering of the illusion will often seem
to suggest the opportunity is lying upon the left hand path,
or as you might refer to it,
more simply the surface to self path.
This is a portion of the nature of the catalyst of the mind.
So the fact that she's seated looking to her left
is the suggestion that the illusion will often seem
to suggest the opportunities lying upon the left-hand path.
Wow.
So that's perception
of pain will seem like the left-handed catalyst,
but it's trying to get our attention
to turn the other direction.
Yeah. Wow.
So this shows a, it's very interesting
'cause Ross says that 90% of people have a predisposition
to service to others while only 10% have a predisposition
to service to self.
And yet they're telling us here that catalyst of the mind
has a, a preconfiguration
or often represent itself as an opportunity
for service to self.
Which actually, I suppose now that I think about it,
that kind of makes sense, I suppose,
because if you're trying to transcend that, um, temptation
or that illusion, that aspect of the illusion, then
you need opportunities to present themselves
that you can choose, um, alternative from right to,
to create the polarity there
and to see an opportunity come forward as, okay,
I could choose this and be in, you know, service to myself,
obviously, but as I see this in a greater awareness of,
of the total possible choices that I can make here,
here I can make this other choice over here,
which can be in service to others.
And thereby, you know,
that's given us real efficient catalyst, right?
Because we've, we've got the inbuilt polarity within it.
We can actually see how we quote unquote, could benefit
as a service to self,
but then see a greater awareness of
how perhaps we might all benefit if
we make this other choice.
You mentioned the 90%, 10%,
and that's more relating to the, the, the number
of planets in the galaxy,
which are oriented toward positivity and negativity.
But, but even in the, oh, the expanded, um, confederation,
they, they say the one being of the creation is like a
to a body, if you will, except this third density analogy.
Would we ignore a pain in the leg, a bruise upon the skin,
a cut, which is festering?
No, there is no ignoring a call. We the entities of sorrow.
So even though they're on the positive path, they see,
they see the sorrow
and they call themselves the entities of sorrow
or the brotherhoods, the brothers and sisters of sorrow.
Um, we, we, the entities of sorrow choose as our service,
the attempt to heal the sorrow,
which we are calling analogous to the pains
of a physical body complex distortion.
So even if it's just 10% of the body of the creator
that's experiencing pain, it's still what's being looked at
as needing to be healed.
Yeah. Okay. That's good to know.
I guess I had, um, projected that down another level
fractally, but I realized
that different worlds obviously can be largely swung
in one direction or another.
Yeah. And so I guess we could say that this image
that we're looking at is, um, partly colored by the plan
of the logos, partly colored by the plan of the sun,
the sub logos, and then possibly partly colored by her own,
or certainly colored by her own culture.
But I think the, the primary resonance of this image
where she's facing to the left,
is actually the original plan of the logos itself.
Um, that, that, that we would be facing the pain, um, yeah.
Which is ultimately the, the one fundamental choice
that I always go back to that original sin,
and that's what the choice ultimately is.
But when we think about it at this primordial stage of
choosing to be in an awareness and reception of what God is
and would have us have versus the opposite, you know,
then it turns into this myriad
and infinite number of ways in which ultimately we're
choosing in every moment, one or the other.
Yeah. And I love that even though she's focused
to the left, she is focused on the bird,
which is pointing her back to the Right.
That's a good point. And what did we decide on birds
and flighted versus half flighted?
I know those are spiritual
A bit further down here.
Okay. In, uh, Um, 93, um,
I guess we can skip down to this quickly here.
The bird, I'm guessing might be a messenger.
The two paths depicted by the position of the wings
bringing the catalyst, which could be used
to polarize on either path.
Is this in any way? Correct. It is a correct perception
that the pul position of the winged creature is significant,
the more correct perception of this entity,
and its significance, its realization that the mind, body,
spirit complex is having made contact
with its potentiate itself, now beginning its flight towards
that great logos, which is
that which is sought by the adept.
Uh, and which to your, which is exactly
what you just said, is it's that aspect of self pointing us
despite the catalyst
that we would choose pointing us back towards the
right, the right choice.
Yeah. And,
and a reminder for people, um,
when they were first talking about the, the wings,
they said the wing and visions
or images are to be noted, not so much for the distinct kind
as for the position of the wings.
All birds are indeed intended to suggest flight and messages
and movement and in some cases protection.
Um, and then they were talking about the,
the folded wings in the first card,
and then the matrix of the mind,
and the, the bird had its wings down,
and then now the bird makes a reappearance from the
catalyst with its wings up.
And the significant is when there's wings out on top,
I think symbolizing protection above the,
the interpretations that are made,
um, when we get to the significant.
Um, but the beginning
of the flight is beginning with the catalyst.
So,
Um, well, the bird is out of the, out of the, um,
The cage. Yeah,
yeah. Outta the cage. And she's sitting on the cage.
One of the things, uh, that I've come across a lot, uh,
especially in that John Anthony Westling about e the
Egyptian hiogly, is that if you look at the first one
and the second one, both of those people are,
well, the, the potentiator, there is no box in the matrix.
There's a box, but it's on the ground next to the,
the person and the person has their feet
firmly planted on the ground.
In the third one, the person is on top of the box,
no feet on the ground, specifically to the point where they
have something in between the ground and the feet.
Whereas in the experience one foot's on the ground
and one foot is, is not.
So what they, what what, uh, John Anthony West and the,
and the archeologist that he was working
with always said was that like each staff, that the per,
that the, uh, person in the H lift
holds, represents a certain thing.
Uh, and without getting into all that,
whether the staff was held a loft
or whether it touched the ground meant very specific things.
So to me, the catalyst of the mind right there,
she is sitting fully on the third density illusion, no part
of her is, is firmly planted on the ground.
All of her is within the third density illusion to the point
where they didn't even have her feet
possibly dangling near the ground.
They have a buffer between the ground and her.
So this whole thing suggests to me that she's,
she's fully within the three dimensional third
density realm.
And then you go to the next step where she's looking
to the left, meaning that, you know,
these terror are used in our system, in our logos,
meaning that our system,
when you're in the third density realm, is tinted
to make you think that it's always to the left,
but then the bird, again is pointing back to the right
with its right wing.
Yeah, no, I, I agree.
The, the third density itself is, is a manifestation
of this, this chosen separate reality.
And again, the way that the logo unfolded fractally from
there just, just trickles down.
And that's why the experience looks the way that it does.
But I, I think that makes perfect sense.
The entire third density illusion itself is,
is a manifestation of, of service to self.
And therefore the catalyst that comes out
of it is gonna be tinted that way.
That way. And the catalyst of the mind is the first one
that happens after the veil.
And, you know, just, just reinforcing the fact
that she is wholly within the veil in the third density,
having this catalyst of the mind affect her.
And, and the whole process of this catalyst takes place
in the third density, and then you, you know,
and then you move forward from there.
Yeah. With Catalyst, you have the opportunity
to take spiritual flight.
It seems like that's what this bird is starting to,
to give us an opportunity for, for transformation, right?
Yeah. And then the, the, so then the experience
of the mind, one foot on the ground, one foot in the air,
again, while sitting on the square, you know, meaning
that you can, you can interpret it either way.
You could stay rooted in the 3D world
and choose to let that, that experience
like ferment anger within you
or foot in the air, you can see the greater
and be, be more godlike.
And then, I mean, as you, as you progress
through these things, you see foot on the ground,
footnote on the ground, foot suspended feet, not even there.
And I think that that's definitely something that, uh,
I'm gonna look at moving forward, is the positioning
of the feet indicating the, the, the realm.
The realm in which it's used, you know,
the realm in which catalyst. Yeah. How firmly
Rooted, yeah. How firmly
rooted or not within third density illusion,
is it, versus does it transcend that?
So what's the significant, I know the,
the crystal ball is sort of magic
and it's dealt within the magician,
but, um, I assume that they dive into
that for this card too, right?
I'd like to see kind of those two, the bird
and the ball juxtaposed,
And they say that the wand
and the sphere are interchangeable, right?
Didn't they say that in one of them?
Yeah. So yeah, maybe I should just go through all of it
and we can dig into it after that too.
Um, so maybe I should go back and finish this other one.
Um, yeah.
So, so we covered the, the polarity, um,
represented by the, um, the, the two
factors of the, the pointing and the, the left of right.
Yep. And then, uh,
Don asked the feet of the entity seemed
to be on an unstable platform that is dark
to the rear and light to the front.
And we'll look at that.
I'm guessing that possibility indicates, this indicates
that there, the entity standing on this could sway in either
direction towards the left or the, the right hand path.
Is this in any way? Correct. And then Russ said this is the
most perceptive, um,
although I'm not sure if the,
this image we're looking at here had what Don was looking at
because of the, the darker aspect on one part of it.
Mm-Hmm. Um,
so the, the ability to sway with the feet back
and forth, maybe why they're, they're up off the ground too.
Mm-Hmm. You can swing them
Around Yeah. Indicating that
they're in the, the third density, you know?
'cause if you were out of the third density,
you would know all and you wouldn't sway one way
or the other because you'd know both paths.
Whereas if you're completely in third density,
you have the ability to choose
for the better or for the worse. Yeah.
I also wonder if it could be related to the,
just the nature of the unconscious mind being something
that we haven't really filtered yet.
And the filtering may be the putting the feet on solid
ground of something to experience.
Yeah. Yeah. 'cause once you, once you choose,
once the catalyst is presented to you,
you can choose one path or the other path.
And once you choose one path
or the other path, IE you make a decision on how
to incorporate this catalyst into your life.
You move forward and you have the experience.
And then if you look at the experience,
the experience has one foot on the ground, one foot up.
Yeah. Like, you, you choose to step into,
uh, the path that that, that that catalyst is there
to, to put before you.
Yeah. Are we using choice, though, in this,
in an archetypical fashion here?
Or are we saying that the function of the significance?
'cause that's what I tend to tie more to the experience.
I'm, I'm using choice in the sense that
the catalyst is put before you.
And because, you know, if you're,
if you're going down a road
and the road ends at a t, that would be the catalyst.
Implicit in the catalyst is you're either gonna
go left or you're gonna go Right.
Like you the catalyst. Yeah. Also,
How you interpret catalyst is a choice.
So it doesn't, it's not that choice has to be, I mean,
it's a 22nd archetype, so it really doesn't come
after any of them.
It's, you know, probably intricately
interlaced with all of them.
Yeah. We're, we're trying just to understand
the pure nature of catalyst
before any interpretation is applied.
And I guess it's possible that catalyst hits you differently
or is experienced differently, you know,
once the significant has become complex and taken a role.
Um, but that, that's, I feel like
that's a separate discussion for the next months
or the next two months. Um, sure.
But I do help, I think it helps us understand the dynamic
nature of it though, and that we, we are working
with it in a, in a dynamic fashion.
We do need to understand that in this very archetype,
you know, there's a, a decision point
or a, you know, a matrix, you know, if you will, to
where we're gonna encounter it one way or another.
So, um, I think that Rod does a good job of highlighting
that in the previous section that you covered.
Yep. I guess, um, the arch,
arch pgo thing might be worth, um, mentioning again,
the deeper biases of a mind, body, spirit complex pilot,
the catalyst around the many aisles
of positivity and negativity.
Negativity as expressed in the ar arch
plague of the deeper mind.
However, the G is incorrect,
and that it does not take into account the further
polarization, which most certainly is available
to the conscious mind after it has perceived
the partially polarized catalyst and the deeper mind.
Yeah. That I partially polarized catalyst, um, brings up
to me like the,
the catalyst has within it both polarizations, not until
you go forward with the, I'm, I'm, he,
I'm trying to avoid the word choice,
but it, I mean, that's what it is.
But like, it, it, it has within it both possibilities.
And until you make the choice, one path starts
to unfold versus the other path.
But implicit in the catalyst is
The polar Is both.
I agree. Because they, they covered
that in the potentiator and said that the,
the polarity is a, is so fundamental, a quality
of the potentiator, that
that's why the columns are on the
farthest outside of the cart.
That there's nothing that comes out of the potentiator that,
that does not have, you know, some level of polarity.
Yep. Yeah. And,
and with the catalyst being beyond the veil,
it has the greater potential for polarity
because again, with the cards, you don't know all
of the possible paths.
You only know the one path that you choose
because of the veiling, you know, like the, the, the, the,
the cards being dealt, um,
becomes a catalyst when you don't know what the outcome is.
Yeah.
So let's, let's get through, uh, session 93 stuff here.
And Oh, man, I,
I know we can't possibly cover everything I had thought
maybe we could get to, but I think it'll be great
to talk about this also more next month, um,
with the nature programming.
Um, yeah,
Yeah. With Nathan.
Yeah. Yeah. Be great.
So we're talking about the bird next.
Um, the correct perception of this entity
and its significance, the bird is the realization
that the mind, body, spirit complex is having made contact
with its potentiated self,
now beginning its flight towards the, that great logos,
which is that which may be saw by the adept.
And they did say that position of the wings are significant.
Um, I guess they didn't go into clarity
on the positions here.
The nature of the winged creature is echoed both
by the female holding it
and the symbol of the female
upon which the figure's feet rest.
That is the nature of catalyst, is overwhelmingly
of an unconsciousness coming from that which is not
of the mind, and which has no connection with the intellect
as you call it, which proceeds
or is concomitant with cataly action.
All uses of catalyst
by the mind are those consciously applied to catalyst
without conscious intent.
The use of catalyst is never processed through mentation,
ideation and imagination.
So this is something, let's talk about two things here.
So the nature of the wing of creature is echoed both
by the female holding it.
So there's something about the, um, the feminine,
which is echoed in the, in the bird,
and also the, the symbol on which her feet rest,
which Nick just pointed out to me.
This is like a crescent shaped like the
moon is the, is a feminine.
And it was so easy for us to miss
that when we first read this, the symbol of the female
upon which to figure's feet
rest. It's the symbol of the female.
Yeah. And it's so definitive, rah is so, so infrequently.
Yes. This means that, and I didn't catch that.
He actually said that that is the symbol of the feminine
until this last time I read it 20 minutes
before we got on the call.
Yeah.
It's like extra femininity when you have the female
on top of the female symbol.
Just extra clarify, this is coming from the unconscious.
Yeah. Well,
that it seems like it absolutely has to, right?
Like, because anything
that has has come into the conscious awareness
and has gone through the process of experience
and transformation has now transformed the matrix
and incorporated that into it.
So I mean, by definition, our catalyst has
to come from the unconscious into the conscious.
Right. Um,
anything else you wanna mention on these?
This phrasing here is the
catalyst is not of the mind
and has no connection with the intellect as you call it,
which proceeds or is concomitant with catalytic action,
or the unconsciousness is
Not of the mind, which is interesting
because we are talking about an archetype
called catalyst of the mind.
Yeah,
Yeah. But I often think
of the mind as, uh, the mind
as more the intellect and the,
and the logical thinking side of the brain.
Like if you were to, if you were to use that whole, um,
serial processor versus free thinking side of the brain,
you know, like the mind would be in that serial processor,
very, very analytical.
And they're saying that like this, this comes from a place
that isn't that,
and that, you know, you, once you, once it's brought
to your mind, you start to analyze it, you start to, to,
to bring the intellect into it.
I wonder if that also relates to the sun, um, like the,
the, the raw light of the spirit being part of the,
the initiator of this catalyst.
Yeah. And that there's always an opportunity
to see more light in any catalyst.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that the sun there is overseeing the entire image,
the entire rest of the image.
When, and then they said that, you know, like, uh, the,
I just happen to have it out here that the primary objective
of this particular logos is polarization.
So like that would be the logos
overseeing the entity in the realm
of which it created.
Yeah.
All right. So, um, continuing on here,
um, I think we,
we mentioned this, but I'll read it one more time.
I would like, if possible, an entity, an example
of the activity we call catalyst
of mind in a particular individual undergoing this process.
Could rob give an example? Ross said all
that is assaults your senses as catalyst.
We, in speaking to the support group,
offer catalyst the configurations of each in the,
in the group of body offer catalyst
through comfort, discomfort.
So I guess when they're saying configurations
of your bodies offer catalyst through comfort, discomfort,
in fact, all but it's unprocessed that has come
before the notice of a mind, body,
spirit complex is catalyst.
So this strongly emphasizing
that processing is happening at a later point.
Also, the catalyst itself is not
of a processed mental nature.
It's the unprocessed fuel that you're noticing.
Right. But that has,
Then once you have the experience
and you process it through mentation and ideation
and all that, like once you go through the catalyst, you get
to the experience, you know, like that it's, it's coming,
it's coming forth into being.
And then, um, Don asked,
then presently we receive catalyst of the mind
as we are aware of RA's communication,
and we receive catalyst of the body
as our body senses all the inputs to the body
as I understand it, but raw.
But could raw then describe catalyst of the spirit?
And are, are we at this time receiving catalyst also
that catalyst also, which they also call faith
or hope the catalyst to the spirit
is considered to be faith.
And if not, could Ron give an example of that?
Um, and then Ross said, catalyst being processed
by the body is catalyst for the body.
Catalyst being processed by the
mind is catalyst for the mind.
Catalyst being processed by the spirit
is catalyst for the spirit.
So they didn't answer that directly.
They, um, they just kind of broke it down.
An individual MINDBODY spirit complex may use any catalyst
which comes before its notice, be it through the body
and its senses, or through ation,
or through any more highly developed source,
which to me indicates we're talking about the spirit here
and use this catalyst in its own way
to form an experience unique to it with its biases.
I'd love to know how to develop, develop those sources.
Yeah. I think they're intentionally, uh,
preserving free will a little bit with this answer.
Yeah. Not, not giving direct example of a spiritual source.
That to me is the, is the flow state that is like,
you know, when you're, when you're doing something
and you're, you're in such a place that you're doing it
subconsciously, then
things can be fed to you.
Uh, like I instinct I guess is, is a good way to put it.
When you're working fully on instinct,
the spiritual side is, is heavy in your decision making.
Yeah, Of course. That's me coming from
Right here. Literally it
says through mentation. So this is, yeah.
In contrast to thinking this is more being,
which is a very flow state kinda way to go.
Would I be correct in saying that the archetype
for the catalyst of the bind is the logo's model
for its most efficient plan for the activity or use
or action of the catalyst of the bind?
Yes.
Wait, wait, wait. Read it. Well, hold on
a sec. I gotta read that again.
Yeah. Archetype for the catalyst
of the mind is the logos model for its most efficient plan
for the activity or use
or action of the catalyst of the mind.
So the, it just, it is just the most efficient way
to use activity and action.
Yeah. And, and so the archetype is really showing us
what is the most efficient way to perceive our, perceive,
our catalyst perceive it as the bird pointing you
and the bird taking flight is a great powerful symbol.
And also what we're get into
with the sphere and the wand, I think is next.
Um,
And also the basic principle, you know, that we,
we have beaten the death earlier.
You know, that, that you, you are of this world,
but this world seemingly is pushing you in the service
to stealth, but there are both options available.
Right. Um,
and then Ra o Don asked then the adapt in becoming familiar
with the logos archetype in each case would then be able
to most efficiently use the logos plan for evolution.
Is this correct? And, uh, Ross said this is more general
to every archetype.
Now, uh, Ross said in the archetypical mind,
one has the resource of not specifically a plan
for evolution, but rather a blueprint
or architecture of the nature of evolution.
This may seem to be a small distinction,
but it has significance in perceiving more clearly the use
of this resource of the deep mind, meaning the,
these images, these symbols.
Uh, and then, well, let me see.
How much do we get into, um,
I think that the next one we should talk about is 18.
Um, yeah.
Here, here then done went back to the images
and said the third card also shows the wand.
I'm assuming it is in the right hand,
the ball at the top being the round magical shape.
Am I in any way correct in guessing that the catalyst
of mind suggests possible eventual use
of the magic depicted by this wand?
So let's look at the original wand.
There's a ball on the top here, and she's holding the wand.
And, uh, Ross said, the wand is astrological in its origin,
and as an image may be released from its stricture,
the sphere of spiritual power is an indication indeed
that each opportunity is pregnant with the most extravagant,
magical possibilities for the far seeing adept.
And that was why they redrew it to just the sphere
in their redrawn version.
It's interesting, the word pregnant here comes in
with the female card too.
Each catalyst is pregnant with this potential as that is
to be born of magical potential.
And this is of course, along the, the right hand path,
just out of sight.
Yeah, I was just about to ask that.
Does it mean that there's no magical possibilities
for service to self?
That doesn't seem likely.
I think that they're saying that you, that that it's there
if you choose to be the adept
and dig into the nature of life
and reality, you're gonna realize pretty quickly that like,
oh, it's right there, it's right behind me.
And then you can continue your life with the knowledge of,
it's right there, it's right behind me.
All I have to do is choose it.
Hmm. I
And then it says, for the far seeing a depth, like,
like if you knew that this choice would,
would snowball down the hill
and create that effect, you know, like that, that's what,
that, that's what I'm getting out of that.
Like both possibilities are pregnant within, within the,
within the, uh, things presented to you.
And then if you are adept enough, you can see that, oh,
if I kick this rock down, this snow covered hill,
eventually it's gonna create a giant snowball,
which is going to smash into
that person's house and destroy their life.
And you'd be like, oh, maybe I won't kick this rock down the
hill and create that avalanche
that destroys that person's life.
Yeah. But unfolding unc different than magic,
or in this case, are they talking about the
conscious reconfiguration of, of manifestation?
Well, magic possibilities, I guess would be
allowing the conscious mind to take use
of the unconscious faculties.
Yeah. How would you compare that to magic
as described in a course in miracles?
And maybe that's another topic.
Oh man, that's, But I, I see magic though,
and I'm, these days, I, you know, I don't
go immediately into, oh, that just must be the,
the most fluid, you know,
configuration in our own consciousness that,
that we can achieve.
It's like, well, I'm not entirely sure. So
Yeah.
I have to also say that I'm, I'm not sure if the, the fact
that her arm is positioned this way, I, if it's a distortion
that they redrew her arm this way,
if she should have still been facing up closer to her say
that if the sphere was up near her neck like it is here, if
that would've been more, um, meaningful, um,
because that's almost more alignment with the spine itself,
this wand, it's close to her spine,
although it's still angled over to
that direction, the right hand path.
Yeah. Is that like she's sitting there looking to the left
because the whole world seems like it's trying
to push you at a service to self path,
but the more aligned path is to service to other selves.
And it actually would be easier to see
if you were facing forward, if you had one
that was directly in front of you, slightly off
to the right, and one
that was way off over your left shoulder.
If you did take the world as the possibility for both,
the first thing you'd see every time would be that wand.
'cause that wand is basically in front of her face
if she wasn't biased towards looking to the left already.
Ah hmm. I
Can see it. So once you can,
once you can get to the point
where you stop seeing everything in this world as a tragedy
and a, and a, a bane of existence, once you realize
that there's good in everything, you just have
to start seeing it.
Like, you start to turn your head,
and then once you turn your head in that picture,
she's like this, you know, now, now, now how does it look?
You know what I mean? Like,
if you were looking straight ahead, how much easier is it
to choose the path of love for other selves?
Yeah, they did, they did make a point to emphasize
that the, um, yeah,
she's facing forward in the potentiator Mm-Hmm.
And then, and this is sort of viewing
and balance the potential.
And then she's got the feminine symbol on her head.
Yeah, that's true. I just noticed that.
Oh man, it's crazy. This is definitely off topic and,
and we'll discuss it sometime in a non-recorded call,
but I'm watching this, uh, it's like eight hours.
It's an eight hour presentation
of this guy who's talking about, um, the, the
saying like the female illuminati,
the female controlling hand.
But the whole presentation is about symbolism
and entomology of words.
And how this female symbolism is, is,
is imbued in so many things.
But because we live in a male dominated world, or on purpose
because the, the female controlling hand doesn't wanna be
known, it's kind of hidden and,
and obfuscated from the, from the conscious mind.
But there's so much of this in these cards.
I, I, I, we'll get into it on another call
and, uh, we'll, we'll boil it down
to the pertinent uh, stuff.
'cause like I said, it, it's an eight hour presentation
that it would take forever to go through. I
Would, yeah. I wouldn't
mind. I see though getting back to kind of
as it pertains to this, um, that that's still primordial,
that's eve effectively, that's the, the feminine aspect
of consciousness created.
Um, when Adam makes the choice of to know good
and evil, which is in effect, to know the opposite
of knowing the self, uh, as one with the infinite creator,
this new consciousness is created, um,
and within it is a, a whole new light,
which is basically all potential and darkness, because light
before that in consciousness was, was of everything and,
and infinitely so,
and this is sort of almost
as polar opposite to that as you could get.
So one, one last quote I definitely wanted to get to here.
Uh, which I think we're, we're, I, I've struggled
with this in the past, but, um, this makes more sense now.
Uh, I, I was just wondering if the transparency
of the garment on the third card indicates the
semi-permeable nature of the veil
between conscious and subconscious.
And of course we had the, the veiling over her eyes and,
and the potentiator, and now we have a veiling over
her, her arms here.
And they, they left that in the redraw version.
And Ross said, this is a thoughtful perception
and cannot be said to be incorrect.
However, the intended suggestion in general is an echo over
earlier suggestion that the nature of catalyst is that
of the unconscious that is outward catalyst
comes through the veil.
All that you perceive seems to be consciously perceived.
This is not the correct supposition.
All that you perceived as perceived as catalyst,
unconsciously by the, shall we say, time
that the mind begins its appreciation of catalyst.
That catalyst has been filtered through the veil.
And some cases much is veiled in the most
apparently clear perception.
So it's interesting to think that we have perception,
which is of an unconscious nature.
That's our physical senses of our body.
We, we, we are not conscious of what's happening
with our body until we start to put an experience,
a a thought of experience into what it is that's
this unconscious perception,
Which is the matrix ultimately is
choosing what's coming out of the potentiator.
And I know we kind
of talked a little bit about it in the matrix,
and we'll talk about it again in transformation.
But I asked that question during that call, which is,
what is being transformed here?
Or what is, what isn't?
You know, are all of these faculties transformed
through this process or, or not?
But it seems to me that the matrix
or those, that pre-configuration of, of
what we might go in and choose out of the potentiator.
But then again, so are the biases built in
at the potentiator level?
So is the matrix unbiased and the same for everyone?
Or is the matrix part of what's being transformed
and what's dipping in
and willing, what's gonna come out of the potentiator?
I guess it may be that we're all contributing to, uh,
an enhanced depreciation of the original plan
of the logos for each archetype.
So it could be that we, as we have our experiences
and learn more than everyone's benefiting in the archetypes
that evolve in some small way.
Um, but I think the point of the archetypes is
that this is the least distorted perception of
what transformation is, of what the unfed conscious matrix,
potential matrix mind.
That the before there is potential,
the unfed consciousness has a certain nature
which is archetypal.
And the more we get close to that, the more we get close
to the original logos, the heart of the logos.
Um, I,
and I think that as we're evolving, it's more like we're,
we're stripping things off more than adding things on.
Yeah. Hundred percent. I agree with that.
The, the, um, the figure is, is holding up both
and the veil over, over her torso
is transparent, meaning in my mind anyway, meaning
that, that the catalyst happens.
And you can choose to see that it has both potentials
because both arms are visible,
both paths are visible.
Both choices are visible through the permeable
garments that she's wearing through the veil.
That's true. They both protrude from
around the elbow forward. Yeah.
And more importantly, you can see both even
beyond the elbow up to the shoulder
and you know, all the way up
to right about the clavicle, right about the neck.
Yeah. I So you can See the root of choice.
Yeah. I think that what Rah is saying is
that the important thing that Don is recognizing is that all
catalyst is unconscious.
He's still looking for permeability, as in, Hey,
is there an option or an opportunity for me to,
to pierce the veil here?
And what they're saying is, yes, this does represent that,
but it's closed in the context of the catalyst of the mind
and just saying that all catalyst is coming
from the unconscious.
Yeah. It's coming from the unconscious.
And it's, and it is, you know, if you,
if you were looking at somebody wearing
or wearing that garment,
and, uh, you just took a quick glance,
you'd be like, oh, they have clothes on.
But then if you took a, a harder look, you'd be like, oh,
they have clothes on, but I can see their arms through it.
You know, like if you're, if you're in the process
of being an adept, then you will, you know, do
that meditation or you will look harder,
or you will, you will, um, you will choose
to learn from the experiences
and the catalyst put in front of you as opposed to just,
you know, going through 'em willy-nilly.
And I think that that it, it, it also, again, with the,
with the card analogy, if, you know,
before the veil, when the cards are dealt,
everybody already knows what's gonna happen.
So if the cards are dealt and person A gets a pair of ACEs
and there's two more ACEs on the board,
everyone's gonna fold because they know
dude's got ACEs, you know?
But after the veil, person two might stay in
because they don't know everything.
And the whole point is to be like, oh,
well maybe they don't have the ACEs.
You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's
to play out the potentials that are there,
even though there is one clear path
that would be be the most beneficial.
Yeah. And I think that there's a purpose, though,
behind them because of the sun that we talked about earlier.
I think that in all ways, the things that come up
as catalyst for us are the things that need light.
And to your point, Mike, about a process of shedding
as opposed to, you know, something that we're building
or putting on, we're bringing light into these dark areas
of frequency in our field where we've denied the light.
And so now we choose again
and we recognize the light where it's always been,
and we shed that particular frequency
and need to learn through that particular kind of catalyst.
But I, I think it's, it's very important to realize
that it's not randomized, right.
For the adapt. We talked, you know, we learned
that in previous sessions, um, that at this point,
all catalyst is, is very specifically
and pointedly an opportunity for us
to bring light specifically within ourselves
and within our mind, body, spirit complex is
where we've denied it.
Right. And that's why that sun is ever present.
And why we're saying that the, the catalyst of the spirit
or the, you know, some aspect of the nature
of the spirit itself is in a way governing the catalyst
as it emerges from the unconscious to make sure that it's,
it's all very optimized
and available for us to,
to shed light where it's needed most.
Yep. Yep.
In some sense, I think that we're, um, we're sort
of operating in a, a, a, a distorted
form from the original plan
of the archetypical path of evolution.
And this is where all the shadows are existing, where we're,
we're adding, we're adding, um, aspects that are,
that are like weighing down the bird.
Okay? The bird is not free to fly.
The bird is heavy with confusion
and falling back down to other archetypes that haven't been
yet seen in their fullest potential, uh,
or archetypal resonance,
Right. Coming from the
illusion.
And like you can see it's left wing pointed down,
and if it's left and right
or to be looked at the same way that hers are,
it's indeed saying that to, to go right would be
to bring light and to elevate and take flight spiritually.
And to go left is effectively
to be immobilized from a spiritual perspective.
Yep. So we have covered all
the quotes that I thought were essential
to cover for this subject.
And there's so much more about catalyst and the material.
Uh, I was considering, uh, session 54.
Next, maybe the next time we can cover that.
Um, but I wanna also, uh, cover anything in this image.
Maybe ideally we'd cover things that are in both
the redrawn and the original.
Um, and just, just just be able to talk about each
of the images, each of the symbols, um,
Or the eye of Horace
or raw, whichever those are, were they discuss stuff.
Yeah. They were not discussed. So we've got five of them.
And,
And are those raw and horrace meaning,
which is like left and right, is that right?
But am I recalling that correctly?
I don't think that was ever, was that discussed?
I don't think that was discussed. No,
Not in this. I
just thought I'd glean that somewhere else.
That the left eye is one of their eyes
and the right eye is the other.
And I know that, that one of them looks very much like the
pineal gland in the brain.
The, uh, I think it's the eye of horse maybe.
I guess it depends on which cross section you're looking
Hip.
Yeah. And the, the, um, the, the sections of the brain
look very much like that.
But if you looked at it from this side,
it would be the mirror opposite of it.
If you looked at it from this side,
and you know how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go,
it's the same thing, but brought from two different angles,
service themselves, service the other selves.
You know what I mean? Like there's, there's all this
implicit polarization within the,
within just the simple fact
of looking at it from one way or the other.
It's surprising that Don didn't bother to,
to bring them up at all or ask about 'em.
Yeah. And, and like they talked about the box not being
black and not being white,
but all of the boxes are not black or white.
All of them are in some way black and white. Yeah.
Why did they go above
and beyond to make this one so different?
That would've been my question.
There's wavy lines going different directions too.
Wavy lines going in different directions.
Like the one box is checker pattern on the bottom
and solid on the top.
Uh, you know, the other box is rimmed with a, with a,
uh, a solidness.
You know, the, the, let's
Go back here. The
black and the white aspect of it is
they're all black and white. You know, look,
Look at this here. So,
and, and the redrawn version of number one, these,
these lines here, they turned that into more
of a checkered pattern, and they made it more solid
to emphasize the polarity.
Mm-Hmm. So it could be that, um, some
of these variations in the lines may have been intentionally
showing, uh, a polarity.
Um, but yeah, it, it is ambiguous.
Um, but that's a lot of lines going in a lot of directions.
And then you have the, the straight lines
and then on the outer edge,
and then the wavy lines on the inner sides.
And maybe the, the wavy lines are, um,
somehow representing something more fluid, uh,
just like the feet are not on the ground.
Yeah. And the fact that, I mean,
literally every direction is in these lines.
There's horizontal, there's diagonal, there's diagonal left,
there's diagonal, right?
There's a wavy lines, vertical, wavy lines, horizontal, uh,
you know, there's, there's vertical lines intersected
by horizontal lines.
There's, there's like, maybe that's the concept
to get that there.
That it is, like you said, fluid, that that that it is,
that it is everything that that it, it,
it can't be broken down and defined into one specific thing
because it encompasses all
and then just for good measure, they threw in the eye
and was like, now deal with that.
Yeah. I don't think we had the eye.
Let's just see if there's this eye anywhere else.
Uh, I don't see it in the potentiator anywhere.
I don't think it was in the Matrix anywhere.
Think we were there. Is it there? It was go back.
It's on his person, his eye. His actual eye.
Oh, his eye. Yeah. I see, I see. It's
Close. It doesn't have the under
part, but correct.
It Certainly closer.
Wow. So that's so fascinating.
So it's the, it could be the eye that we're seeing
with in some sense.
So go the eye of awareness,
Go to the, go to the next one.
Go to the next one. Go
to another one where they're looking sideways.
Now jump back and forth between that one and the other one.
See, see the, see the trail.
Yeah. The trail is different after the eye.
Yeah. And again, is this, are we diving too deep into it?
Is that a male feminine thing?
Maybe the eye is more with the consciousness
and the consciousness is more with the material illusion.
It would seem helpful for us
to get a even generalized understanding of what
these eyes in higher context,
Right.
Indicate. So here on number four,
he's got more of a similar eye.
Yeah. Um, experience of the mind, no other
Instance. So it's, uh, is
the male eye the one with the,
with the, with the trail?
I'm still reasonably sure that one is the eye of horse
and the other is the eye of rob.
But I'll, I'll google that real quick.
Computers too. I'll have to rewatch a video.
There was a guy who dove deep into that
where he was talking about it's
so another one with the male. The male has, yeah.
Significant mail has that.
So the conscious, the conscious mind.
Yeah. There's, there's a lot running,
running through right now.
She doesn't have the trail.
Neither one of those girls on either side have the trail.
Yeah. Nobody on the transformation has that.
Uh, but they're on the great way. It's, it's there too.
Yeah.
No other speci. Oh, here, there it is.
Up there at the top. Yep. Of the great way card.
There it is. But it's underneath a female female's arms.
Mm-Hmm. Interesting.
Back, back up a little bit more.
Yeah. I mean, oh my God,
that's gonna be a tough one when we get to it,
because there's all the people with the feather on top
of their head with the snake,
the snakes holding up the platform
and the, uh, the feather is the, um, uh,
the, is the feather that the,
the heart is weighed against at the end
to see if your heart was light like a feather
to see if you progress
or you go back into the whole, um, the, the wheel
of re of carnation reincarnation represents mo.
Yeah. And I'll do a quick
scan through for the, the others, um, to look for the I.
There she goes. She's got it.
Ah, interesting.
So maybe there is something with that.
Like, so, so now, now we have, we have,
She's Always the female subconscious with,
with the representation of that.
So now if you go back to the other one
where it has the eyes on the top,
can we, can we assume
that having some kind of meaning of the subconscious,
because they always represent the female eyes in that way,
I would be far more hesitant than you guys
to compare anything between the ones that have that Mars
and under it, like those two do
and the one that we're looking at.
And any other eye. I think that in the absence of that,
trying to read the same thing into them,
I don't think it's accurate.
Not to say that the different configurations
of the eyes aren't very significant here.
Um, yeah,
Look at these. There's exact
same.
Yeah. But again, like Andrew saying,
it doesn't have under it. Yeah.
Put under it. I think that
that means something very different. It
Could, yeah. And maybe, maybe
this is just some one of those things
where we're going down a rabbit hole,
but that's just how the artist drew a male versus a female.
Well, I, it was a male originally,
and it's a female only when you get to number eight,
the only, the first female to have it is in card eight.
It was a male in uh, uh, number one number.
Yeah. Four and number five.
And then when you get to number eight, the matrix
of the body, then the female has
that trail for the first time.
But it's not the primary female.
The primary female has the blindfold.
Um, and it's like a protective thing.
But anyway, that's, that's a, I'm so excited
to dive into number eight.
When we get to this. I'll,
I'll be more read up by the time we get here too.
Could, could, Deb could like, so if,
if the artist is representing the male figure with the trail
behind the eye, could this, that one you were just on
be, uh, because it looks so feminine,
but it has the male eye, could
that be representing a balance of male and female
Maybe?
Yeah. I can't say for sure
that's meant to be male or female.
And, and we will, we will, we'll never know.
It's got two Feathers may never know.
It's got two feathers of knot two.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And I mean, you know, the fact that,
that it seems like she's wearing a dress that rarely,
you know, in these pictures,
everybody seems like they're wearing a garment
that goes down to their ankles.
You know, she's got long hair, but it could be a headdress.
So is it a male, is it a, a male
in the physical realm acting out of the female
unconscious mind
because of all the female kuchma on the uh,
on the, on the person there?
Well, it's also winged.
And I would say that if anything is gonna represent
androgyny, angelic forms certainly might fit that bill.
Yeah. Is that the right word?
Is androgyny the kind of the ambiguous mix of genders?
Yes. Uh, androgyny is the possession
of both masculine and feminine characteristics.
Okay. Alright. Yeah.
And that would be, uh, you know, they said
that the winged creature can represent protection.
And to me, that that winged creature holding both wings
around the entity, that is foremost in the picture,
that would represent, uh, protection.
We'll get to that. We'll get
to that another, another month.
Yeah. I gotta get going soon.
Well, this, this picture right here, I always thought of,
see how the bird is,
is like almost reaching out and caressing.
Yeah. Like, come, come to me, come to me.
Look this way. But in reality is pointing the other way,
you know, it, it, it's very representative of
what they said, like the, this realm seems to be
of this nature,
but it, it, for the adept, you can see that it,
it's not only of that nature
and that choosing the opposite of that nature
that seems so natural.
Uh, you know, that's
The learning is the point. That's
the opportunity for the lesson. Yeah, exactly.
That's the point. It's interesting
also that, uh, Don did not mention anything about the,
the crown of stars probably.
'cause he assumed that could have been the
astrological stars. Yeah.
12 of them Yeah.
But then the one that got me started thinking about this
whole female Illuminati thing
where she's got the crescent moon on top,
and then the three layered crown on top of that.
You know, like, I don't remember him ever
talking about the crown.
Like what does the crown represent?
What do the different ones represent?
She's got snake in her head dress,
not only on her third eye,
but coming off of the side there, you know?
Mm-Hmm. There's so much.
But again, I think we need the, as we're going through these
and evaluating these, I think we need to constantly go back
to that one line where Ross said that, you know,
you're meant to get the generalities of it.
She's standing on a crescent moon,
meaning it's not flat, it's shaky.
It can go either way.
You know, she's holding something in both hands,
meaning there are two choices.
You know, the minute we start, she's got a, she's got a,
a wristband on one that's dark,
a wristband on the other, that's light.
You know, take through the dark
and the light as opposed to, you know, well,
what do the lines mean versus the squiggles, you know?
Well that just, it's one's darker and one's lighter.
You know, you can at least
Structure.
Yeah. Once we, once we start diving too deeply, you,
you start to lose the meaning of it in the, in the,
um, minutiae of it.
Well, it's possible to see it all in balance with enough,
um, consideration.
Um, yeah.
I hope to get more clear on this also over time.
Mm-Hmm. Um,
but yeah, I, we can say this was a good
two hours on this,
um, as always.
Alright, uh, thank you guys for joining us. Oh yeah.