All right.
So I think I, I could, I could mention for the listeners
that we, we actually had a conversation about many of these,
um, subjects, well, having unrecorded conversations,
but we had a unrecorded conversation that we intended
to be recorded through technical glitch.
We lost it. So we're gonna dive into it a slightly different
way, but I think a great,
great starting point is just the nature of the logos.
And, you know, the logos, obviously they say is the,
the super consciousness or intelligence behind the,
the galaxy itself that made decisions that were
called refinements to the cosmic mind or the all mind.
And so each of these refinements, essentially the number
of refinements actually increased over time.
But the, the refinements to the all mind were represented
by the major arcane of the tarau.
Were continuously discussing what these mean
and the implications of them,
and they really seem to have a lot more implications on our
existence than we're able to easily recognize
unless we study deeply into these.
And I, I, I asked the question out to myself, uh,
is it, is it the case that there are actually sort
of 22 characters that I'm trying to play
and I haven't recognized,
or 22, um, attempts to come back to the creator?
There's 20 different adv, 22 different avenues back
to the creator, and I haven't fully understood all
of my different struggles in life and journey
to represent those 22 things, which may also be, you know,
reflected by, and we'll talk about this later, I think
that they referenced the major arcana, our representations
and the astrology repre represents, um, the 22
with the 12 houses and the 10 planets,
and then the, um, the connections
between the SRO on the Tree of Life with the,
with the Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism.
And Andrew, how, how,
how far back does that even go,
do you think? The Jewish mysticism,
Um, if you, um, if you ask the, um,
traditional Judaic teachers in schools that are out there,
um, the earliest kabbalistic texts that they'll say it goes,
um, back, um, close to five or 6,000 years.
Um, there was, uh,
and then you had the, um, the Serra, which is the, uh, book
of Creation, I think is what, um, that,
and that's what it introduced the, uh, poems that, um,
outlined the 10 sra.
Um, so, but traditionally the, um, the first five books
of the, uh, of the Bible itself are kind of the bulk
of their, of their texts.
So it was poems that they wrote
that got translated in all the information
that is come from that.
Yeah. The ser itself, um, in it's, it has a, a number
of different versions that have been sort
of either maintained or maybe slightly revised over
the millennia.
But, um, it's actually only seven pages long.
And then, and then all of the, the kabbalistic texts
that were born out of it were all, um, just evaluations
and, uh, reinterpretations of it.
Wow. That's a quick study. May maybe we'll do
that another future session.
Um, cover those.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
Oh, for clarification, real quick though, you just mentioned
that the 22 that we're talking about either the paths or
or the major arcana were refinements to the all mind.
So just so
that we've got some good contextual understanding,
would it be that these archetypes, none
of them would exist at a universal
or at this universe level?
Um, even at the top end of them? Um,
I would say that not in the form that we see them
with the major arcana,
but maybe Ross suggested that, you know, there were, there,
there was a harvest from the previous universe
that this universe is basically born out of, which had, um,
it was nine of them, right?
It was the, it was the three matrix, the three potentiator,
the three significant, but they were like the simplified
versions of those three things, I think.
And now we have more nuance on, on the, on what,
what they imply and suggest in our reality.
I see. So this gets into the concept complexes
that, that they talk about.
So those, those concept complexes have perhaps gotten more
complex or are tweaked
and tuned by different logo a a little bit differently.
Yeah, that's the way I see
it. Is that the way you see it, Nathan?
Yeah, no, I would definitely agree with you there.
I think you hit the nail on the head,
at least from my understanding that yeah,
it's this archetypal mine is a little more specific to
our sub logos in particular,
and then it just, uh, is a culmination from all previous
octaves that people is
Yeah. And you
said sub logos too.
That's also an interesting concept is how much of what we
perceive as our archetypes came from the sun's influence on
the logos, which is the, the galaxy's mind.
Yeah. Considering that too.
And that's kind of where it really turns into like
what all calls the mystery at that point.
'cause it's kind of hard to even fathom what,
what was in creation before, I guess, that that led
to these refinements from, as you said,
the sub logos our, our sun here.
Yeah. So let's, um, dive into, um,
session 77 or, uh, question 12 here.
Um, okay.
So this was a continuation of discussion about the,
the logos and the tarot.
Um, but the basic question was with respect
to this particular logos, our son, um,
and creating experience of its planetary system, um,
Don was asking about the plan of the logos for its creation
to understand the phy philosophical basis
that is the foundation for
what was created in this local creation
and the philosophy of the plan for experience.
Um, so let me, so that's kind of like two questions
that were, you know, Rob wanted clarification on.
Um, but, uh, so Ross says this query has substance.
Now he's talking about this particular logos.
Um, we shall begin by turning to an observation of a series
of concept complexes,
of which you are familiar as the tarot.
So this is very early on in the discussion
in the books around the tarot.
Um, and Ross said the philosophy was to create a foundation,
first of mind, then of body,
and then of spiritual complex, those concept complexes,
which you call the tro lie.
Then in three groups of seven, the mind cycle one
through seven, the physical complex cycle eight through 14,
the spiritual complex cycle 15 through 21
last concept complex may best be termed the choice.
So that's the 22nd after the first 2021,
which they also call the fool.
Um, upon the foundation of transformation of each complex
with free will, guided
by the root concepts offered in these cycles,
the logos offered this density, the basic architecture
of a building and constructing
and synthesizing of data culminating in the choice.
So I wa I kinda wanna unpack this third paragraph here a
little bit more and see if that, if we can understand
what what they're saying here.
I was just thinking the same thing on the very first line
there, that the foundation is transformation.
Yeah. Um, In and of itself. That's important, I think.
Yeah, that's a huge point.
Um, so, and it's, it's amazing, like that's kind of
what time is all about too, that we're, we're,
we're witnessing a continuous, um, shifting
and transformation of every, of everything that we're,
we're experiencing and seeing.
And so this may be the, you know, the, the prerequisite
for the other archetypes to make sense.
Um, but it's interesting
that transformation wasn't originally, uh, one of the,
the archetypes that came from the previous universe.
So maybe this was part of the intention of the logos to, um,
or the sub logos, the, the logos
and the sub logos to explore this further,
Which the transformation as archetype, again,
as we were just talking about, may also have evolved outside
of our galaxy even, but was then adopted and,
and tuned a little bit differently within our galaxy.
And then again, the sub logo. Yeah.
And it could be that transformation was a thing
that existed more under the, um, the significant,
but just didn't have an archetype.
So, you know, concept con complex formed yet.
I see, I'm, I'm still not sure on that one.
That would make sense. And then
after adding in the veil of forgetting at that point,
these all became the next level of complex, basically.
So what ended up breaking it out into its own archetype at
that point could have been, uh, stemmed from that, I guess.
Yeah. Um, so upon the foundation
of transformation with free will, guided
by the root concepts offered in these cycles, so the,
the cycles here we're talking about are mind cycle,
physical cycle, a spiritual complex cycle.
So, so why do, do
You think they call 'em a cycle in this context?
And, and are you aware of other areas where they do that?
That's a good question. We asked you a search
for the word cycle here, but, um,
I assume the word cycle means
that you're continuously cycling through these different
ways of being, these different ways of being the creator.
And, and, and as we cycle through them, then we,
then we sort of re-articulate each one in new
or more interesting ways or more profound ways.
So you mean like working through the matrix, let's say,
of mind potentiator the catalyst, you kind of cycle through
that a number of times, then get some sort
of slightly different scenario to it
and continue that cycle? Is that
Okay? Yeah, certainly.
And the suggestion that they gave for how
to become the matrix of mind, they said to come back
to the new mind, which is with no bias, no polarity, um,
you know, full of the magic of the logos.
So I assume if the, if the starting point of all
of reality they said is consciousness,
and you're starting from complete newness,
then there's I think an implication that you're coming out
of the newness into a chosen path, which is
what the potentiator represents, which a degree
as you're choosing that path of, um, potential.
And then you, you continue on all the way
to transformation from that potential.
There is a linearity, I suppose, through the,
at least the first six archetypes.
I don't pretend to necessarily understand, um,
the great way just yet.
Um, but it does, I can certainly see that as a cycle,
like an energetic cycle.
Like you said, you, you start with sort of the seed
of inspiration and make a choice to pursue a certain thing.
You output a certain amount of, um, energy,
you experience the, the ramifications of that
and, um, assimilate them back into your consciousness and,
and then do it all over again.
Yeah. And from quick review, I'm not seeing
other references to cycle being used that way.
Um, so that's interesting that this is
a relatively unique,
maybe it was just an earlier point in the discussion
where they didn't have the terminology yet to go
with a different way of describing it,
but I, I guess it's a, they
Normally call them complexes, don't they?
Yeah. Isn't it more like individualized there
where they call 'em the concept complexes poor per archetype
that I think, I don't remember, um, referring
to this either in this cycle, say the mind cycle
and the spirit cycle in that way.
Right. It Is kind of unique here at least.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, mind, body and spirit are each a complex too, I guess.
And then that's true. They also left out complex in mind.
So they have mind cycle and then physical complex cycle
and spiritual complex cycle cycle.
That's Just interesting.
Um, but there are relationships between them.
And so to describe them as a cycle
I think is helpful perhaps
because, you know, each of them in series, just
as we were saying is, is how we move through experience.
So it's, um, kind of creates a little bit of linearity
or even a circular nature to them.
Yeah. So with,
so free will is guided
by the root concepts offered in these cycles.
Um, and that's, that's a fascinating concept that that,
you know, we come in with some kind of guardrail
or some kind of path that we're on that are the outlined
concepts of, of these archetypes.
And so then the logos offered this density,
the basic architecture of a building and constructing
and synthesizing of data.
And it's interesting also that maybe that's
what experience is.
It's, it's a building and constructing
and synthesizing your data, but I guess experience is an
experience of all the archetypes too.
So even though experience is one archetype, we're kind
of experiencing a transformation also.
And, um, I, I think at one point they said the matrix
is recording experience,
so it's like the matrix has the record of,
of the transformation and the experience occurring.
That's a good point about how experiences both maybe micro
and macrocosmic in this case, I mean, an experience
of the cycle or the complex itself is of course kind
of self-referential, I suppose.
Yeah. Um, I would love if I could find that.
Yeah, here we go. Um,
so this was session 92.
Um, the question was, um,
maybe I should just read the answer here.
Ross said, we may distinguish between the archetypical mind
and the process of incarnational experience,
and Ross said, each potentiation, which has been reached by,
reached for by the matrix, is recorded by the matrix,
but experienced by the significant, the experience
of the significant of this potentiated activity is
of course dependent upon the acuity of its processes
of catalyst and experience.
I think there were other points
where they talked about the record too,
but anyway, um, yeah, that's just, it's interesting
that they could summarize so much of our experience as data,
but it's data culminating in the choice, um, which I guess
implies that the transformation is connected to the choice.
Um, and I, that's something I wanna talk about later too.
There's a reference to that idea. Um,
I, I tend to think of the energetic system sometimes as,
um, sort of a data storage mechanism just in that, you know,
we're able to store karmic, um, patterns
and things like that there.
So I'm a data guy obviously by trade, so I tend to think
of things in those terms when it makes sense.
It is interesting though, how much some of those your
computer and technological, um, analogies seem
to correlate quite a bit with, with these cycles
and the way these, the way
Rod describes these things as well.
Oh man. Uh, with, not to be off topic,
but to, to dovetail into that with the development of,
I think they're called agents now with chat GPT
and being able to build specific, um, kind of, uh,
missions, if you will, for little bots to do that.
It's kind of interesting to think of the archetypes in
that way, that, that they're using kind of one light,
obviously one source,
but then have, um, a set of concept complex
as programmed into them so
that they will provide a particular function,
uh, as a part of the whole.
Yeah. And it's, it's amazing that we are the programmers
who choose to forget the programming.
Mm-Hmm.
Indeed. We're still free to reprogram ourselves.
Um, and I guess maybe that's, that's part of the how,
why the choice is the way it is, is, um,
I should probably pull up the card too,
but the symbols of the, the choice, I think are suggesting
that the choice is, is meant to be free
and open without, um,
any push from an external source
that the choice is something that comes from faith
and comes from, um, a decision
that is completely your decision.
And are we talking with specific regard
to, um, polarity?
Um, I mean, when you, when you call it the choice,
does this refer to all choices and,
and their ramifications of polarity
or one main choice of, of polarity,
and they even distinguish, was it this one
or the previous one between the in incarnation itself
and the archetypical mind?
And so I guess, I guess I'm trying
to follow their distinction there
and say that if, if the choice of polarity, um,
is viewed in an acute way in an incarnation, then
then that's not really the same as the archetypical mind,
the choice because raw tells us
that there's a distinction there.
Does that make sense? Am I, um,
puzzling around this correctly?
I, I might've lost you a little bit,
but I, I wanted to say that
I feel like the symbol here is actually, well,
well written into the symbol of the idea of, uh, a tree
of knowledge of good and evil, where if, if everything
that's unfolding is, is based on the selection,
I see good here, I see bad here, I see good here,
I see bad here, then we're kind
of creating our reality along chosen lines, which,
um, you know, and,
and sometimes choices might be along the opposite polarity
from what, what they think they, what we think they are.
We might think we're, um, helping someone with a choice
and we might actually be, uh,
very self-serving without recognizing it.
Um, but you know, the, the, the idea of continuously
evolving into our concept of the, the,
the complex significant,
or the, the, the, um, I dunno if the word
I'm talking about, you know, the non simple nature of
what it is to be behind the veil.
And that can mean all kinds of things with our experience
that, um, are, it's hard to pinpoint a polarity on it.
But, um, I think that they, they do strongly emphasize
that the point of this is to push people in a direction
of a polarity, because that's when we're building up our,
our love and our light to be able to work
with something more like a, like a, a well tuned machine
that, that is able to process and synthesize
and make use of the catalyst at a greater rate as we're,
as we're, um, less
and less stuck in a sinkhole of indifference.
And, you know, I assume choices are still made
when there's indifference, um,
but the choices don't, don't have as much weight
to them without the polarity added into it.
So would you, again, I guess to take it back
to my original question, would you characterize the choice,
um, as, um, primordial choice
as in all choices fall into this category?
I guess I'm not even sure
what choice is on the primorial level.
Um, and I think that's maybe why we have to study this
as an archetype instead of a, you know, something
that we can easily relate to.
Um,
Well, it, to me, it seems like creative, I mean, a,
a choice made is, is an act of creation.
You're, you're gonna manifest something through that choice.
Um, all choices have a ramification of some kind or another.
I, I, I guess the question is the engine,
If we look at the, if we look at consciousness
as the engine and, um,
and there's a, there's a will to have an experience, um,
maybe, maybe choice is something that they view as,
um, like a, a, a navigation
of the potentials within that, um, initial intention.
But that's, that's still, this is still unclear to me.
So I feel like I can't answer your question, you know,
That's alright. Well
that's what we're studying today.
So let's, um, yeah, let's see what else we have
Guess this context, uh, maybe it's a little too simplistic
that way, but it's just the choice to be of service
to others or service to self.
And based on that choice is then how you progress
through the subsequent densities.
So it's making a choice on the polarity
and then the direction you'll go from there, I guess.
But I kind of get what you're saying, Andrew.
I'm not quite sure how that would lay down a higher level,
but I hadn't, hadn't thought about it past, uh,
the polarity standpoint.
Yeah, that's how I had remembered them originally, um,
explaining it was
that the choice was specifically about your polarity
and that it was like the one big choice basically.
And I suppose if you, if you
zoom out one level from an incarnation, you will pursue
or can pursue polarity, um,
across a trajectory of incarnations.
And so the choice I suppose, does still exist at
almost a sole level, I suppose.
Uh, we're certainly at a level that sticks with you
between incarnations, I suppose.
Um, so perhaps that's what they're saying.
Here's another one. Oh, go
Ahead. I was thinking
this might be worth throwing in.
Maybe as we study the choice here,
we could look at other ways the word choice is used.
Um, so regarding the higher self, um,
the question was, um,
would the higher self know what is going to happen?
And Ross said this is incorrect in
that it would be an abrogation of free will.
The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned
through the sixth density.
The progress rate is fairly well understood.
The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self
as it are, as it is, are in the providence of the mind,
body, spirit complex itself.
Thus the higher self is like the map in which
the destination is known.
The roads are very well known,
which I assume are like every potential choice.
These roads being designed by intelligent infinity, working
through intelligent energy.
However, the higher self aspect can only can program only
for the lessons in certain
predisposing limitations if it wishes.
The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity.
There's the perfect balance
between the known and the unknown.
So in that context, I assume that there is,
there is a design that's existing in the
manifestation of the universe, sort of
before we're navigating the roads with choice
May maybe that's what the, the, you know, the,
the consciousness is, is it's initially creating
all the roads and potential
or working with the potential of all the roads.
Um
Hmm.
The remainder is completely the free choice of efinity.
There's the perfect balance
between the known and the unknown.
Huh.
And I think that might be why the, um,
I really should pull up the image now.
The, uh, the,
the fool image
Okay, here we go.
So you see, he's,
he's got something in balance here across his shoulder,
and he's kind of carrying two different, um, baskets.
And the baskets look the same a lot of times when,
when on the other Troy images, when you have the left
and right, um, polarities service itself
and service to others, polarities represented on two
sides, they look different.
That's interesting. Yeah.
And would you describe those as more white or more black?
I dunno. I think they're
Looks like a balance of the both.
Yeah. Although if going back to the passage
that you just read, Mike, that um, it's all known through
six density, then we know that the choice ultimately will be
for positive polarity.
So that's kind of what I was trying
to infer there is are those baskets perhaps
both predominantly white
because, um, it's calling back to that aspect of self
that knows that that's ultimately what the choice is.
But that might be too much of an inference.
Yeah, I mean, I think the point of this is
that we're stumbling around, um, not knowing, you know,
what's gonna lead us back on the best path.
Um, but um,
and you know, I I, so I think some versions
of this have been blindfolded
and this is sort of an eye that has no pupil.
Um,
Yeah. And
I, I want to say that I've heard that described as sort
of, um, wonder, I suppose the blindfold sort of
stepping off into the unknown without fear.
So more wonder than, than fear associated with the unknown.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah.
And certainly Rod refers to this card
as representing stepping out in faith too.
So I think having a blindfold
requires you to step out in faith.
Yeah. Um,
and I guess this, this, um,
creature here, which I guess you'd call that, um, well,
let see if there's actually a name for that.
Um,
The alligator with fins.
Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know if that's, um, has a name for it
yet, but, um, I guess that would imply that there's
this, this, um, left side of the,
our right side would be this person's left side,
which means it's the surface cell path.
So that might imply that there's potentially more
danger along that path.
Um, and then
It's also white, Yeah.
Water coming from that direction too,
that you can get caught up in say the ocean
or the sea of, of unknown on the negative polarity as well.
Hmm. And what's the structure
that's sort of fallen over that?
The alligator zone?
It's like an obelisk.
Okay. And, and it's broken off at the bottom or,
or deteriorated, is sort of what that looks like,
or, or do you think it's just it is
submerged into the water there?
I don't know, but I guess you could, you could suggest
that because it's laying on its side that it's probably
broken in some way.
Defunct. Yeah.
But it points up towards the right hand path.
There's more alligators at the bottom
that they have ends too.
Yeah. Kind of
Interesting. It's
fallen from the left hand to the right hand.
So I don't know if that ties in with what Andrew was kind
of saying too, when they tie back together in
that mid six density all coming back
to the positive as well.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah.
And so does this look like, um,
That looks central or South American to me? Yeah,
It's over here too.
Yeah. Uh, like is it ubon
or what's the, I forget the deities
that they have down there, but
Got some quale and a few others I think.
There you go. Yeah, that's one.
I guess we'll have to research that and come back.
Um, and then, and then the,
we got like a leopard skin, I guess.
Yeah. And I saw an interpretation that that might represent,
um, like an unconventional
or, you know, free spirit kind of clothing.
Um hmm.
Non-conformity, but I don't know, I mean,
Is that, I guess, or is it a cheetah?
I wonder if this, I guess we don't have a leopard
or cheetah in the other ones, do we?
I'm not, I'm not aware of any other instance of that.
Not that I recall. And so I'm kind of thinking
of the aspect of that animal and whether
or not this person presumably came by
that animal, skin of their own activity
or, you know, were it purchased, for example.
Well, maybe the dots mean something too,
that it's spotted.
We have different spots of potentials maybe.
And then you have stripes on the paw.
Yeah. And on the tail, the end of the tail as well.
And stripes on the garment underneath.
Yeah. So it's covering the garment below,
which could be the polarity
of the two choices there as well.
And you're covering it with this choice.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's like this is more of an even
and regular pattern with the stripes
and then the spots are more irregular
and potentially more free to be peppered into the experience
with the randomness of the choice.
Yeah. More abstraction. Mm-Hmm.
And what about the head covering? Does that say anything?
Well, maybe that's, maybe it's more darker
because it's more, more shadow on the,
on the mind or the awareness.
Yeah. If that represents like the veil of the,
at least the unconscious there when you're making some
of these choices just from your conscious nature
without knowing the deep mind
archetypal mind actually below it.
Yeah. And then is
that a partial eclipse going on up at the top? I take it.
Yeah. And it's hard to know if they would call
that the astrological symbols that should be disregarded.
Uh, good
Point. But it's a hiding,
it's a hiding sun.
So I mean, in in essence the, the hiding sun is kind of
what the moonlight represents too.
The moonlight card is calling us you, you know,
from the spiritual experience into the significant of the,
of the spirit, which is the sun.
Um, um, so maybe this is just another way
of expressing that kind of idea,
Calling you back to the logo, you wanting
to discover the logo or get to that archetypal mind,
but you need to go through the experiences
to uncover the sun there to actually get back to the logos.
Mm-Hmm. And I guess this image here would
just be called a walking stick.
I don't know it has any other significance besides that.
Well, it does have the cross going across that bar there.
Yep. So I'd like to know what that little,
the head mask symbol on there symbolizes as well.
'cause I think of one of the other images they have
that cross sort of symbol,
and I've looked at that as the straight
and narrow path that Rod talks about.
But looking at what
that means at the top there, I'm not exactly sure.
Yeah.
The stick changes shape to the,
or the one that is holding the baskets sort
of has a handle down where he is holding it.
And it looks a little bit pointier at the top.
Um, almost like an Asian sword, really,
though it's resting on his shoulder,
so probably not sharp on the edge.
So
When I googled this, I got the term
merit, a prop stick or scepter with a carved head on it.
Um, gestures usually used a merit.
The word is bro, from French, it signifies either a fool's
bobble or fad
A fool's even.
Yeah. So that's maybe wonder if that's connected to this.
So yeah, I, I can't say for sure if this is
a more modern symbol
or an ancient one. Um,
It certainly doesn't match the look
and feel of most of the Egyptian lys
Mm-Hmm.
So it could just be more of an expression of the nature
of a fool, I guess, who's, um, not operating from, um,
well, I, I guess maybe, maybe that's worthy
of discussion in itself.
What does the word fool mean to us?
Um, a fool can mean someone who's not operating from an
educated opinion of things.
They're just operating freely.
Well, which I would say yeah.
Is, is a very positive thing
because most of what we've been taught in density is
maybe less helpful and keeps us more in fear than in wonder.
Yeah, yeah.
Is maybe more childlike too.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. So it's, it's fascinating that you know,
that the LL research team, you know, uh,
Carl Ruckert chose the fool, um, archetype of Don Kete
for their, their logo.
And they, they talked about that and,
and then had the book tilting at windmills referencing
that same concept, um, as, as the, it was the interview
with the of, uh, Carla and Jim.
Um, and I think they talked about their fondness for
that symbol many times too.
And then Carl Rucker died on April Fool's Day
in 2015, I think. And
Oh, So there's, there's different symbols around there.
Um, or I guess we can move on for now.
Um, yeah.
So it was nice to, to dive into what,
to this image a little bit more, and maybe we'll come back
to that after we do a few more, um, a few more sessions, uh,
clarify what that, what that means in the context
of the other archetypes.
Um, so getting back to the basics here, maybe, um,
Um, Don had then asked, um,
for me to condense your statement.
I see it meaning that there are seven basic philosophical
foundations for mental experience, seven for bodily, seven
for spiritual, and that these produce the polarization
that we experience sometime during the third density cycle.
Am I correct? And you
and Ross said you are correct in that you
perceive the content of our prior statement with accuracy.
You are incorrect in that you have no mention of the,
shall we say, location
of all these concept comple complexes.
That is, they exist within the roots of the mind,
and it is from this resource that their guiding influence
and lay motifs may be traced with la motifs,
meaning an element that is frequently repeated in a work
and often serves as a guiding
or central element within the work.
So they have these archetypes have a guiding influence.
Um, and they're frequently repeated,
um, in the roots of our mind.
You may further note that each of each foundation is itself,
not single, but a complex of concepts.
Furthermore, there are relationships, betwixt, mind, body,
and spirit of the same location.
And octave, for instance, 1 8 15,
which would mean the, the matrix of mind, matrix
of body matrix of spirit
and relationships within each octa, which are helpful
and the pursuit of the choice
by the mind, body, spirit complex.
The logos under which these foundations stand is one
of free will thusly.
The foundations may be seen to have unique facets
and relationships for each mind, body, spirit complex
only 22, the choice is relatively fixed
and single. Hmm.
So let's talk about octaves in this case.
What, uh, same location in octave.
So one, eight, and 15.
Those are the same location,
because they're all three matrix.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's what they mentioned later is
to when they're originally referencing a way to study these
for, by the, for the Egyptians that,
that they recommended first studying each one individually,
but then studying one, eight and 15 together,
and then, um, you know, two, nine and 16.
Um, and, and so on.
And then, and then they had re recommendations to study one
and two together, and then three and four together.
And then, um, but they,
but they recommend pairing the, the significant
with the fool the choice.
So I'm still not trying to understand why they said
that's relatively fixed and single,
but I guess they mean it's signaling
that it doesn't have an octave specific for it.
Mm. So the choice is the unifying archetype,
the great unifying archetype they say that sort
of ties everything together.
Um, so the next one I wanted to go to, if we,
if you don't want, if we're good now, we're good here, um,
would be 78,
um, four.
Um, so I think this was more in the context of the choice.
I wanted to go into this.
Um, the question was what is the function
or what is the value experientially of the formation
of positive and negative social memory complexes
of the separation of polarities at that point,
rather than the allowing for the mixing of mind, body,
spirit complexes of opposite
polarity at the higher densities.
So this is referring to how the choice eventually leads to
strictly silvers to self groups of entities
and strictly service to others groups of entities,
which they call the social memory complexes.
And Ross said the purpose of polarity is
to develop the potential to do work.
This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say,
experiments, which have evolved since the concept
of the choice was appreciated.
So maybe I'll stop right there. Um,
so, so the choice was essentially
pro probably what they also refer to as the, the thing
that led to the veil of the gray experiment of
veiling the conscious from the unconscious mind.
And then the experiments which have evolved since
that appreciation of that concept, um,
would, would then allow, um, more work to be done.
Um,
You know, before the
Veil there was only service to others, right.
The service itself concept came up after that.
So it's the potential, I guess
to pick a clarity on one direction or another possibly.
Yeah. That comes up in 77, 16.
John's trying to drill into that specifically
around the choice and being around polarity.
Um,
The polarization, our choosing
of each MINDBODY spirit complex is necessary
for harvest ability from third density,
higher densities do their work due
to the polarity gained in this choice.
Um, but, but Don was asking more about the,
um, why the choice is so important, why the logos put
so much emphasis on the choice.
And then he does refer to it as the what function,
the choice of polarity.
Mm-Hmm. I think maybe that's where I got that.
And then in terms of work, um, you also brought up the veil,
and it does seem to me that making a choice when you don't
know what the outcome is, um,
probably produces a lot more catalyst, I'm guessing,
because it's, it's it's an unknown.
Yeah. So that might, you know, might be
what they're referring to as work catalyst.
And I think this is also what leads from what they said,
the complex, the significant being a simple
and unified concept to being a complex of concepts.
And that the, I think that's why they, they suggest to study
the fool and the, and the context of the significance.
Because this is the veil
now making the simple more complex by having a lack
of, of clarity on the nature
of the implications of the choice, I think.
Yeah. No, I would agree with the big time on that.
'cause that's all the past programming which the fool
doesn't suffer from.
Yeah.
So work is done far more efficiently
and with greater purity, intensity
and variety by the voluntary searching of mind, body,
spirit complexes for the lessons
of third and fourth densities.
So more efficiently
with greater purity, greater intensity,
and more variety by the voluntary searching of mind, body,
spirit complexes for the less
than the third and fourth densities.
So that'd be like looking at your catalyst
or the different circumstances that arise
and actually attempting to learn from it
or choosing to balance that
and polarize further in one direction.
But that voluntary searching, I guess is
what they're saying seems to be the initiation of
the greater purity intensity and variety. Right.
Yeah. And would you interpret that to mean that by
nature of it being voluntary, that we are identifying them
as lessons or just that we are voluntarily making choices,
which will invariably result in lessons?
I was thinking the latter there that you're choosing
to then look at those as lessons
Okay. Distill from
Them to accept.
But, uh, yeah, just my opinion.
Yeah, I, and I would agree with that.
I was just, um, wanting to
see if that's how you saw that too.
It's fascinating to me that this also kind
of ties back into the, the, the world
of technology right now as people are,
and great debate over whether
or not an AI can have free will.
Basically, when it's just working off of programming,
where does this free will actually come from?
How, how can it actually choose if it's just
operating based on, you know, numbers
and a computer that are being calculated?
Um, can you conceive of a way in which that is possible?
Well, the only way I can conceive
of it is if there's quantum fluctuations
through random number generators
or something like that. Um,
Yeah, I was actually looking,
and I was chatting
with chat GPT actually about random number generators the
other day, and trying to, um, I guess have it convince me
that that random is even plausible.
And it was talking about quantum, um, fluctuations.
And it says it,
it's speaks much more in practical sense saying,
well, it's unpredictable.
And I said, well, okay, unpredictable is one thing,
but if you're measuring something that could be measured,
and I put two of these, um, these are tr ngss,
which are true random number generators as opposed
to pseudo random number generators, I put two of them next
to each other and measure the exact same thing.
So I have the same seed value going in,
and then the same algorithm is applied,
then I'm gonna get the same output.
And, and that's, that's one thing that you can predict.
You may not be able to predict what the output is going
to be, but you could predict that it's gonna be the same
on two machines or 10 machines that are all together.
Yeah. So I guess the nature
of consciousness here is more like a kind
of first density consciousness.
It is. I mean, it's, it's very confusing also to try
to say consciousness could exist in a computer.
But I mean, it's, it's easier to say that that, uh,
a human body is designed to sort of funnel consciousness
from a higher, higher level of, of, um,
I guess the higher self being sort of funneled into, um,
a lower self to have an experience of, of
seeming separateness and seeming independent choice.
Um, it's easier to have that understanding with our
complex biology than it is
with the complex silicon chip, I guess.
But, oh, it's a, it's a good point.
We've been baked in with things like
experience, for example.
And, um, to my knowledge, I don't think anyone has yet
figured out how to,
or maybe even thought it would be interesting to, um, define
what experience for an AI would be.
But to your earlier point, at some point some programmer has
to tell the ai what, what's good experience
and what's bad experience
or maybe just what experience is itself
and put some parameters around that and,
and maybe encourage it to have experience,
but without necessarily telling it
what kind of experience to have.
And I, and I think that we have kind of,
that we've got the guidelines like we were just reading
about, um, but still an amount of free will.
Yeah. And so, so it'd be crazy to think if the,
if the Silicon chips are having an experience of being
like a first density consciousness, which is choosing to
allow random fluctuations, uh,
of an electrical nature to happen.
Um, and that's really the experience
that it's having is just electrical experience.
And to the extent that, that those electrons
and electricity and silicon chips
and all the matter itself is informed also by six density,
is there other consciousness that's, um,
that's causing those quantum fluctuations that, um,
in one respect are certainly one, of course, with the ai.
Um, and yet, um, you know, the same way that we're one with,
with that same, you know, complex
or social memory complex
or what, what have you that might decide to flip, you know,
this, um, digital virtual coin that way instead
of the other way, for example.
Mm-Hmm.
All right. Maybe we should get back onto some
one one quotes here more.
All right. So I feel like that's a, that's a,
that's a big subject with, uh, AI now.
Um, um, I guess, I guess we, we can skip,
that was mainly what I wanted to talk about there.
We can skip over to, um, 76. Um,
um, this is taking it back a step.
Um, I know we've covered
this, um, a few times.
Um,
I guess maybe we've covered, covered this enough,
but I, I think I just wanted to remind everyone that when,
when Don asked about the present day use of the tarot, um,
when they were initially beginning to talk about this,
they said it is appropriate to study one form of constructed
and organized distortion of the archetypical mind
and depth in order to arrive at the position of being able
to become and to experience archetypes at will.
And so the, this basic concept of where, where we're heading
with all this is becoming able to
experience archetype to become
and experience archetypes at will.
So becoming something implies a transformation of identity
or, um, at least, um,
a shifting of the resonance of our, of our nature,
uh, to become more in tune with an archetype, um,
and, and experience archetypes.
So, so every archetype must be something
that is experienceable.
So obviously we know how to experience choice on some level.
We just don't necessarily, um, we don't always try
to focus on the choice of the present moment,
but that's one choice of becoming,
which is becoming a choice.
Hmm. Seems like that's also like acknowledging
and understanding the archetype to a certain point in order
to even become it, or to experience it.
Like is having the basis, I guess, of, of what
that would look like before to even to, to even know
that you're, you're experiencing it, I guess.
Yeah. And that's in one of the later sessions too,
and Don asks, when does
an entity first experience the archetypes?
And it's through either accident
or design, I think is what it says, and, um, immediately.
Yeah. Yeah. And then you find a residence
with it, and Yeah.
Then suddenly that's now in your tool bag, maybe, um,
I don't know if just simply experiencing it once makes it,
you know, forever available to shift in
and out of necessarily or not.
But
Yeah, I'll read that one now.
The question was, at what point in the evolutionary process
does the archetypical mind first have
effect upon the entity?
And Ross said, at the point at which an entity either
by accident or design, reflects an archetype,
the archetypical mind resonates.
Leslie random activation
of the archetypical resonances begins almost immediately
in third density experience.
The disciplined use of this tool
of evolution comes far later in the process.
So it seems like you can resonate with the archetype
of mine right away, but whether you recognize it maybe,
or understand that you're, you're using it,
it doesn't really become that discipline tool.
Is that how you'd see that as well, or no?
Yeah, I would agree.
You're sort of unconsciously shifting in
and out of different archetypes,
and you probably have ones that you're predisposed to
in an incarnation as well.
I think that you tend, you know, where your awareness tends
to resonate more than others.
Mm-Hmm. And
we could go to the next one here.
Um, I think this just clarifies the ne that
what was just stated too, um,
what was the ultimate objective
of this logo in designing the archetypical mind as it did,
and each logos desires to create a more eloquent expression
of experience of the creator by the creator.
The archetypical mind is intended to heighten this ability
to express the creator and patterns more like the,
the fan peacock's tail each facet of the creator vivid,
upright, and shining with articulated beauty.
So we've got a lot of nice words here.
It's an eloquent expression, vivid, upright,
and shining with articulated beauty,
and articulated is a word they used a few
different times of material.
Um, and articulated means having
two or more sections connected by a flexible joint
or an I of an idea, or feeling an idea
or feeling expressed or put into words.
So it's putting expression on something that's more,
um, subtle.
The, the idea or the feeling doesn't yet have an expression
or a manifestation, I guess.
Yeah. I would say that it's also a vibration, um,
because of that articulation, you know, being words is
sound and vibration.
And so to me, I, I,
and I think we've actually looked at this passage once
or twice before, and, and I saw it differently this morning.
To me, this, um, really seemed more like, um,
perhaps Christ consciousness in full manifestation.
Right? Yeah.
Sort of like trying to create the most perfect,
you know, kind of vehicle and system
and all of that to allow what it is
that I think we're all trying to do here.
Yeah. Um, I've certainly thought about that a lot
with the, you know, the, they call Jesus
as the ar the archetypal martyr
as he took a path of martyrdom.
And we have the, the, the significance are of mind, body,
spirit, or the ent, which would be like the priest, um, the,
the martyr and then the son.
And that's very funny to have the S-O-N-S-U-N connection
with Jesus too, um, that he's, he's the son.
And, uh, and I, I've, I've noticed it in some hymns,
some hymnals when they're, they're singing about the sun,
they're not clarifying.
But if you look at the actual lyrics,
it's SON when you'd think it would be SUN.
Oh, that's interesting. Shining bright as the sun.
Yeah. They throw that in there sometimes in some
of the 18 hundreds hymns that have been written.
Um, so I, I always, that always gets me when I, I see
that it's like, this is a great symbol to have the,
the brilliant shining personality of Jesus being seen
as the, as the archetypal significant of the spirit, the,
the, the, the symbol of significance, I guess, of,
um, of the spiritual path.
I thought martyr was, uh, oh, no, that's the,
is that the hanged man?
Yeah, the hang man is the martyr,
which is the significant of the body
Oh, okay. Of the body. That's
right.
Yeah. And I assume we'll cover this in later sessions too,
because that's, that's kind of a lot to process
that we would seek martyrdom,
but I think the, the way we experience the body activities
is not quite the same way we experience mind activities.
'cause with, with the mind, we're constantly flipping
through the pages, but with the body we actually have to do,
to work, to go grow food and harvest food and,
and, you know, we actually, it's not completely comfortable
to gain the most use out of the body that we possibly can.
Um, but our body, it doesn't exist for us just to be in a,
in a state of comfort all the time,
24 7 couch potato comfort, you know?
Um, so I think that that's,
that may be partly why they would see the use of the body
as representing martyrdom.
Um, and then the transformation
of the body representing death, even,
which obviously we're not, we're not dying every time we're,
um, using the body in a transformative way,
but to some degree, the cells of our body are dying
and, um, constantly being reborn. Um,
Well, it kind of, in a way, everything is really, and,
and this reminds me, um, in the Kabbalah of, uh,
tifert is referred to as the sacrifice to God.
And that concept was a little bit tricky for me
to get my mind around, um, for a bit.
And until at least I arrived at some level of comfort
with this notion that the body is all things in physical
form, and in every moment it's being remade.
It's being remade new again at the cost of the old.
And so with that regard,
all physical form is constantly in a state of sacrifice.
Um, and it's dying to the new moment.
Yeah. Yeah.
I guess there's also references to the
healing is representing reforming of the illusion.
And I think that that could be the same idea
of just a reselection of the, of what the body can be
through allowing the,
the body which is no longer needed to fall away.
Exactly. Um, does the phrase,
behold I make all things new.
I'm assuming that that has, uh, that, that,
that there's a biblical reference there.
Yes, I think so. It's interesting.
It's, it's one of the, the very primary
and core attunements in Paul Selig's work, um,
from his guides that's
Yeah. Used
Constantly. That's
Revelations 21. That's like the new earth behold.
Uh, and the one who seated on the throat said,
behold, I'm making all things new.
Huh, interesting.
Well, how they describe this sort of metaphysically is
that this happens through our perception
and as we see things in truth, we are making them new,
we're informing everything that we perceive.
And, um, that's how it's done in alchemy.
Mm-Hmm. That makes sense.
You have the opportunity
or the choice to pick in
each situation how you'll view that.
So it could, what could be a negative thing or a positive?
Okay, I'm looking at this as an opportunity to choose
and pick the path of positivity or, um,
or look at this as a negative event.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And that's exactly how they describe it.
And, and you're right Nathan, that that perception
is much more of a choice than we, than we think.
Um, you know, what we see
and what we hear, you know,
the physical senses are one thing,
but to perceive what we ingest through them is to,
to decide significance, right?
We decide what things mean when we see them,
and when we decide that it means that,
that the one infinite creator is not present,
and that separation is a reality, that's what we're claiming
that thing or that person or that whole event in and,
and we are further investing in its notion of separation
as opposed to see it in truth and allow it to be remade.
So let's move on a bit here.
Um, So I,
I guess this is probably a recap also
of different discussions.
Um, but this is what we were alluding to earlier, Ross said,
so what information did you give to the Egyptian priests
who were first contacted
or taught with respect to the first archetypes?
Is that possible for you to explain or?
I said that is possible.
Our first step, as we have said, was
to present the descriptions in verbal form
of three images, 1, 8, 15.
Then the questions were asked, what do you feel
that a bird might represent?
So I might as well pull up, uh, that symbol.
Um, so this was the bird that originally talking about
with first card here, um, magician.
Um, what do you feel that awan might represent?
What do you feel that the male represents
and so forth, until those studying were working upon a
system whereby the images used became evocative
of a system of concepts.
This is slow work when done for the first time.
It's slow work. I can attest to that.
This isn't even the first time.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so yeah, that's
what we're trying to do with the fool image earlier.
And I think that we're gonna have to keep doing that
and not gonna make all the breakthroughs yet.
But, um, it, it's also, I think this is just teaching how,
how to study how to, how to be a, a student
of complex system is that you have to ask yourself
what you feel about these things
and continuously, you know, let it sink deeper in with,
with tho with your own feelings of what these symbols are.
Do you think that first part, they were saying that Robin,
than gave them the, they told them basically what to draw,
I guess, on the card of this man, this bird here, this box
around it, this and that.
And then, because it seems like if you were given it
that way, you'd have a, like a leg up.
I know at least when I draw something, it gets,
it gets ingrained in your head a little bit more
and you analyze every little detail of it.
And coming back to look at it, it seems like
that could be a benefit, if that's
what they're saying they did.
Yeah. Descriptions and verbal form of the three images.
I guess that's the way I was, what they gave as examples.
Were all only applying to number one, I assume.
I don't think we have a bird, a man
and a wand in both eight and 15 as well,
Right. Yeah, that's
true.
I really like their, their methodology of, of teaching.
Um, it's just really hard to have in an asynchronous
capacity though, Mike, to your point earlier,
I think when we put our heads together,
we shine a little bit more light on it.
Yep. Um,
that next paragraph I thought was interesting. Yep.
We may note with sympathy, with sympathy
that you undoubtedly feel choked by the opposite difficulty
that of a great massive observation upon the system, all
of which has some merit as each student will experience
the archetypical mind
and a structure in a unique way useful to that student.
And maybe by this, they're talking about the massive
observation that's happened across time
with both Don's background
and everyone talking about the TRO over and over.
I see. I, that's my speculation on this, I guess,
But, but that's creating a difficulty Mm-Hmm.
That there's been a lot of observation on the system.
Yeah. Instead of a lack of observations, I guess.
There's massive observations.
Yeah. Too many opinions
and too many observations I guess combined together
that it dilutes it
or makes it more confusing to, to view at that point.
Yeah. And then what do they suggest exactly?
Because they say, we suggest one
or more of this group do that, which we have suggested.
I think, um, that might be a previous, um, um,
reference to the, the, the order of study.
Oh, okay. Wasn't that the want you to go through
and like, analyze the image and tell,
and ask rah what they see?
I think the, uh, man in this picture means this
and the wand means this,
and then they'll respond from there.
But it was a matter of coming to some sort
of colu conclusion on your own
before they would input from there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not sure if they explained that further in session 89
or earlier, but yeah,
there was a few times they described that.
Um, and maybe I had, I had a note of that somewhere,
but I dunno if I have that right now.
But, um, yeah,
so definitely they, they, they suggested the three
steps was just study each one
with every single symbol individually
and then study in pairs
and study in, um, the sequences that they,
they gave the number of sequences,
and that's actually, actually, if you go to law one info
and you go down to, uh, tarot,
um, where is it?
Down a little bit. Yep.
The course of curriculum that Rah recommended, so
that this, this, yeah.
So it's just an 88.
Our first stage was the presentation of the images, one
after the other and the following order,
and then they go through 1, 8, 15 and so on, forth.
Um, and then 22 at the end.
Um, and this way the fundamental relationships
between the mind, body, spirit could begin to be discovered,
whereas one sees the instance, for instance,
as one sees the matrix of the mind in comparison
to the matrices of body
and spirit, one may draw certain tentative conclusions.
And then, um, I guess this is, uh,
stage two when at length the student
had mastered these visualizations
and had considered each
of the seven classifications of archetype.
Looking at the relationships between mind, body, and spirit.
We then suggested consideration of the archetypes
and pairs one and two, three and 4, 5, 6, and seven.
You may continue in this form for the body
and spirit archetypes.
You'll note that the consideration
of the significant was left unpaired,
but the significant shall be paired with archetype 22, which
We Yeah, which is also a choice.
That's what I usually think of the significant as is
that aspect of self that's deciding what things mean.
So I mean, there is a choice happening there.
Yeah. Okay.
And I wonder if that even is kind
of an identification too.
Each of these choices is partly an aspect
of yourself when the, as the significant becomes complex.
Um, and at the end of this line
of inquiry, the student was beginning to grasp more
and more deeply the qualities
and resonances of each archetype at this point,
using various other aids to spiritual evolution.
We encouraged the internet initiate to learn
to become each archetype,
and most importantly, to know as best
as possible within your illusion when the adoption
of the archetype's persona would be spiritually
or metaphysically helpful.
As you can see, much work was done
creatively by each initiate.
We have no dogma to offer each perceives
that which is needful and helpful to the self.
And then they also tap one of their sessions
or questions around the tarot entirely
around faith and will.
Yeah. So let's,
Yeah, and, and I like to go back to that when,
when we talk about this, putting the archetypes off
and on, you know, like to what end basically.
And I'm glad that Rod did, um, address that.
Yeah. So, um,
should I read this whole thing?
Um, yeah, I guess so.
Um, so yeah,
this was a question about when they were getting all the
details of the cards and they're trying
to get every single thing exactly
right to the original cards.
Um, Don asked,
have I missed anything that should be removed?
Which we were not, which were
not of RA's original intention.
Um, so that's something they did
to redraw the first seven cards,
and he's trying to make sure they got everything.
And raw said, we shall repeat our opinion.
That there are several concepts which in each image
are astrologically based.
However, these concepts are not with, not without merit.
It's in the concept complex intended by raw,
given the perception by the student
of these concepts in an appropriate manner.
We wish not to, not to form that which may be considered
by any mind, body, spirit complex to be a complete
and infallible series of images.
There is a substantial point to be made in this regard.
We have been with the questioner's aid,
investigating the concept complexes
of the great architecture of the archetypical mind,
to more clearly grasp the nature, the process,
and the purpose of archetypes all
provided a series of concept complexes.
And no way whatsoever should we as humble messengers
of the one F and creator wish to place
before the consideration of any mind, body, spirit complex,
which seeks its evolution.
The pale is tint of the idea that these images are anything
but a resource for working in the area of the development
of the faith and the will.
Yeah, I think that's, that's big.
They're saying that, you know,
by the time you master all this
and you can, you know, switch in
and out of archetypes at will, ultimately, the whole purpose
of that is really to develop faith and will.
Yeah. Yeah.
And there are other points in the material
where they referenced that's essentially foundational
to tapping into intelligent infinity.
Also the, the continued work on faith and will
and single pointedness of thought. Um, and I
Even say that faith is that, is it the conduit
to intelligent infinity
or congruent to intelligent infinity?
So, um, developing that faculty, then
that leads you even closer to being able to tap into it.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, it like we could cover some
of those, actually you're precisely correct in your
understanding of the concurrency of faith
and intelligent infinity.
Um, um,
and then there are a few others.
Um, so tapping
into the indigo is that energy of the adapt,
which has its place in faith.
And the indigo is, uh, you know, the, the,
the highest crown chakra
or the highest work of the third eye to reach the crown.
Um, and,
And now the quote, oh, sorry, go ahead.
And, uh, and the one that we were talking about earlier
was the transformation of the spirit archetype,
where they said the infinity
of the spirit is an even greater realization than the
infinity of consciousness.
For consciousness, which has been disciplined by will
and faith is that consciousness by which,
which may contact intelligent infinity directly.
So consciousness, which has been disciplined by will
and faith, is
that consciousness which may contact
intelligent infinity directly.
So if, if these images are the resource
for working in the area, the development of faith
and will, it seems as though you're kind of like,
you're going from consciousness, which is the matrix,
the very beginning, all the way to the ending,
which is the world which is accessing intelligent infinity
through this development of will and faith.
Yeah. That ties together really nicely there.
Mm-Hmm, two quotes.
There's another one here.
Um, I was relating to sexual energy transfer, um, saying
that, um, if, if polarized entities
by the same energy transfer experience find the faculties
of will and faith have been stimulated, not
for a brief while, but for a great duration of
what you call time, you may
perceive the indigo ray transfer.
So, so there's a way to have sex
that you have a greatly heightened sense of will
and faith once you break through the, uh, the green ray,
well, all, all the lower blockages of attachment to, uh,
ownership and possessiveness in the relationship.
And then the green rays unblocking the heart
and then the Blu-ray, uh, it relates to a greater ease
and communication and greater sight.
So that's also, they saw talk about o openness
and honesty be related to the Blue-Ray.
So each of these is kind of also the, the latter that we're,
that we're working on that we're not really talking about
that much with these discussion of the archetypes,
but I think that's still kind of implicit when we're
becoming more, more, um, like an archetypal resonance.
I think that also would imply they were stripping away all
the baggage of the lower chakra blockages of attachments to,
of separation and attachments to, um, control
and manipulation when we're opening the heart.
Definitely Sign me up.
All right. So, um, yeah, so Will
and faith is like great theme
to keep in mind with, with these.
Um, so there was another one
I thought we could talk about here, 88.
Um, so more on the, on the concept of the
archetype of the fool.
Um, Don was asking about if
it would make sense to describe the original tarot
that came from Venus.
Um, there must've been similarities and
or were they the same?
Um, and Ross said, as we have stated previously,
each archetype is a concept conflicts, um,
which may be viewed not only by individuals,
but by those of the same racial
or planetary influences in unique ways.
Therefore, it is not informative
to reconstruct the rather minor differences in the
descriptive terms between the tarot used by us,
by raw on Venus, and that used by those of Egypt
and the spiritual descendants
of those first students of the system of study.
Um, one great breakthrough, which was made after our work
and third density that was done was the proper emphasis
given to the ARKanum number 22,
which we have called the choice, um, interestingly, where
refers to patrol card, literally a secret or mystery.
So a choice itself is a mystery.
Um, in our own experience, we were aware
that such a unifying archetype existed,
but did not give that archetype the proper complex
of concepts in order to most efficacious use
that archetype in order to promote our evolution.
So they had a sense of this, they just didn't understand
what the component concepts were.
That's fascinating considering they, uh, talk about
progressing through third density,
I think even fourth density so rapidly that they were able
to do that without even having this
concept or idea of the choice.
But maybe that also kind of, uh, goes along
with like they talk about in other areas too, that you've,
you're much more along your path or you've made your choice
before you even get to that point,
usually throughout your past life experiences
and the way that, um, the way you address situations
as in service to others or service to self.
Mm-Hmm.
Yeah. It could be that they had a bias on every single one
of their forms of study, of the archetypes too.
They, they were very strongly biased towards
teaching people about the service to others' path.
And maybe in that they were making the choice all the time
to pursue that path.
It's kind of interesting because I thought there was
another time when Don asked about, um, methods
for teaching on Venus and RAW wouldn't answer it.
They said it. I think it was violation of the law
of confusion, perhaps.
Yeah. Maybe that was getting more the specifics of it.
They said that it, their evolution was more about the study
of the nature of relationships,
I think. Does that ring a bell?
I think so. 'cause they were tying in a lot more
of the sexual energy transfer that they were using
as well too, um, on Venus there as a way
to progress, I thought.
Yeah, the tarot was devised
by the third density population of Venus, a great measure
of your space time in your past.
As we have noted, the third density experience of those
of Venus dealt far more deeply
and harmoniously with what you would call relationships
with other selves, sexual energy transfer work,
and philosophical or metaphysical research.
The product of many, many generations of work upon
what we conceive to be the archetypical mind
produced the tarot, which was used by our peoples
as a training aid in developing the magical personality,
which we could say is the Christ consciousness too, I think.
Hmm.
But it's interesting also, they frequently talked about
their naivete when dealing with our planet, um,
that their, their, their ease
of evolution on Venus may have made it unclear
how hard it was gonna be for Earth
after many, many other events took place with Mars
and Mal Deck to contribute to a destabilization
of the potential of harmony
or single singleness of focus in the planetary mind,
Pursuing that the easy way here on Earth.
Yeah, That would make sense with
what you were saying though about the bias, if they had
that bias towards service to others, they were,
it almost created that naivete in that trying
to help additional generations and planets from them there.
They just weren't prepared for the,
I guess you could call it negative influences
or, uh, severe distortions, I guess, that, uh,
we're capable of making.
Yeah. Uh, maybe that's even
another product of the veil that we,
that we may think that we're on a great path
and the veil may make it harder for us to understand, um,
that the choices may be leading us collectively into a,
a different path that is than, than one of harmony.
Um, yeah, there, there are tidbits of
that in the material that maybe we could cover another time
too, that what they talked about with Egypt, um,
and the, the way the priests misused
that information, um, that's
Kind of interesting thinking about it from like the
confederation standpoint there, that they've made some
of these naive decisions over and over like that
after seeing Melek explode Mars, the catastrophes there
of war, and then you continue with that, even
to the earth population.
And here we are still boring
and everything as well too, that it seems
haven't really changed so much of their tactics until now.
They're saying that instead of appear in person,
but I think you'd learn a little bit over,
was it 500,000 years, but I can't understand at that level.
Yeah. Yeah.
They use the word naivete a bunch of times in the material,
I guess, um, that there was an issue with,
um, Atlantis where there was a, a relative naivete
of multiple members of the Confederation who felt
that direct transfer of information would necessarily be
as helpful for Atlanteans as it had been for that,
those confederation entities.
So they thought that they could just share information
that they probably shouldn't have shared. Um,
Wasn't that the pyramid and Crystal healing, uh,
work there that ended up becoming,
that they ended up distorting
and using for the negative then
Might have been it, um,
yeah, using crystal powers
for those things other than healing as they were not
involved, not only with learning,
but became involved with what you would
call governmental structure.
So again, yeah, it seems like seeing it there back,
even in the Atlantis days, you would, I mean,
they haven't given us, I guess,
necessarily talked a little bit about the crystal healing
and, um, healing in general,
but still we're kind of dealing with
that same thing here now.
Same in current times.
Yeah.
Um, I, I guess, um, I don't have to go too far down
that rabbit hole, um,
but that it's, there's so many great rabbit holes here.
We could go down. Um,
agar Casey's material had a lot more references to
what the specifics of
what the atlantians may have been doing with the creation
of life forms, which I think Rah alluded to.
Um, which, which is a whole, oh gosh, trippy subject.
What does it mean to have, have the ability to create life?
Yeah. I think we looked at that one
of the previous ones there, where they're able to, um,
create consciousness
or make things conscious there, like in that sense,
different beings, or I
forgot the way they worded it on there.
I have to look it up again.
Um, yeah, well, that,
that'd be under the Atian section, I guess.
Um, I guess,
I guess we can, well,
you let me know if you find it, I guess.
Um, so,
but I thought we could jump back into some other quotes
that were more foundational to the study
that I think we can be pursuing now with, um,
the basics of what, what the use of the tarot is.
And I, I think we're gonna keep on coming back to, to this
discussion, and I, I, I've repeated it so many times in the,
on, in the private meetings that I, I can't remember
how many times I've repeated this in the recorded meetings,
but, um, the only example that raw gave,
uh, of exactly how a person would become an archetype
at Will wa was basically in session 91 when they said,
how is a knowledge of the facets
of the archetypical mind used by the individual
to accelerate his evolution?
And raw said, we shall offer an example
based upon this first archetype
or concept complex, which was consciousness
or the magician, um, archetype number 21,
which they had just described.
And so how does one use the symbols of this to understand
how to accelerate your evolution?
And that's basically a process of comprehending the,
the gist of this image, which is
what they call the new mind.
Um, the conscious mind may, the conscious mind
of the adapt may be full to bursting of the most obstru
and unmanageable of ideas, so
that further ideation becomes impossible and work,
and Blu-ray or indigo is blocked through overactivation.
So this is a condition that they're describing in which
one would want to clothe oneself in the, in the
concept complex
and become the, the magician, the matrix
of mind, the consciousness.
Um, and then once you have that condition,
which we could we talk about more in a second here,
then it is then that the adapt would call upon the new mind
untouched and virgin and dwell within the archetype
of the new mind, new
and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity
and full of the magic of the logos.
So I was speculating, um,
previously that there may be a, a generalized theme here,
which is being burdened in some way by,
by your experience of your unmanageable
and obstru ideas.
Um, and I'll define obstru here.
Obstru meaning difficult to understand or obscure, um,
Most, most of the raw material, I mean, or,
Yeah.
So it, it, so it seems obvious that there's, there's a way
to get lost in the mind
or maybe have so much baggage in the monkey mind,
and maybe this is why meditation
is essentially leading us back.
The, the quieting the mind in meditation is they say one
of the most generally useful types of meditation,
because it's, I think it's bringing us back to
what they're, they're talking about here.
Maybe that's a great point to jump to
where they, where they said that too.
Um, um,
I wish Don had asked this exact question
of every archetype.
Exactly. Yeah. That would've been so profound.
Yeah. Because is one of the, the few areas where they,
they spell it out pretty clearly to understand kind of
what this means in action.
Yeah. So they said, um,
the passive meditation involving the clearing of the mind,
the emptying of the mental jumble, which is characteristic
of mind, complex activity among your people's as efficacious
for those whose goal is to achieve an inner silence
as a base for which to listen to the creator.
This is a useful and helpful tool,
and is by far the most generally useful type of meditation
as opposed to contemplation or prayer.
And so I'm wondering now if this is exactly the same
as when the conscious mind of the adept may be full
to bursting of the most obstru
and unmanageable of ideas, so
that further ideation becomes impossible and work at Blu-ray
or indigo as blocked through overactivation.
Maybe this is a more specific case here of the Blu-ray
and indigo work being impossible, um,
but dwelling or, or calling upon the new mind.
And it's interesting that they, they also use these ideas
of dwelling within the archetype
and calling upon the archetype as different ways
to talk about becoming the archetype.
We're calling upon the new mind, untouched
and virgin, um, which would represent an inner silence,
I think, um,
and dwelling within the archetype of a new
and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity
and folds the magic of the logos.
I think what, what also by saying that this,
this archetype has no bias
and no polarity, it might be taking things, uh, you know,
several steps further than a person meditating,
simply trying to quiet their mind down a bit.
Because if you, this is something I've considered
with like the concept of the Netty Netty search, um,
which is not this, not, not this, not this, not that.
When you're seeing something in your mind, you see,
this is not God, this is not God.
This is not God. That's the, the Hindu concept.
Have you guys, um, familiar with that?
Yeah, I haven't heard of that one. Yeah.
It is found in the ahas.
It constitutes an analytical meditation helping a person
understand the nature of the Brahman
by negating everything that is not Brahman.
Um, the purpose of this exercise is to negate all objects
of consciousness, including thoughts and the mind,
and to realize the non-dual awareness of the, of reality.
So I've, I've often wondered if this is the
same, very same idea here.
Um, the Netty netty search is the same
as finding the mind that is without any bias,
without any polarity
and completely unblemished by having attachments to thoughts
and objects in the mind.
I don't know if, I mean, not to sort of just
get semantic about it,
but I don't know that claiming it
as not God is particularly helpful. It, yeah.
I don't know if I should put that wording on it even. Um,
But that's what say not so, so I mean, I, I I,
I think you, you you explained it well, it's,
Yeah.
But by, by declaring everything is not God, you're,
you're, um, creating a lot of duality for something
that leads you to a non-dual experience.
I guess I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm connecting these dots here
because I feel that, um, maybe the, the,
the theme of saying that I don't need this right now,
this is not my, this is not value to me right now, is,
is more in line with what we're doing with
calling upon the new mind.
I see. Um, And,
and so certainly, you know, we have, have strong attachments
of all kinds that we, um,
that we have difficulty even recognizing.
And to some degree, you know, we create a lot of attachment
because we feel this is, you know, some,
something about our reality is so, so central
to our personality that we hold onto it to our identity.
We hold onto it so tightly.
It's, it's, it becomes like an idol.
Maybe that's what it is. This is, this is not my idol.
That's the, that's the search I
would, I would prefer to call it.
Yeah. Not this, not this idol, not that idol.
Yeah. That's, that's a really good point.
And I think you hit the nail on the head with identity.
We definitely are attached to things that we identify with.
Yeah. That seems to tie in too, then
with like the other levels of the unconscious mind.
You have your personal unconscious, which does have a lot
of the biases there, the racial mind, the planetary mind.
Once you can get to the purest form, then below that of
that archetypal mind, that might be entering into
this new mind from there.
But that requires, I guess,
setting aside all those previous biases
and everything else that could be, um, part
of every other layer to the conscious and unconscious mind.
Yeah, definitely. And that's, yeah,
definitely why they say full of the magic of the logos is
because this is the logos they say is the, you know,
the root at the, at the root of the mind of the galaxy.
And so then cutting through those layers, it becomes full
of the magic of the logos requires detachment from
everything that the world has in our biases put,
put, put in our minds to, to put us on a path of,
It's interesting too that it says without polarity, um,
just because there's such proponents of,
of being polarized one way or the other.
And yet obviously there's still an archetype that exists,
um, beyond it or before it.
One of those, I suppose, um, interestingly on the tree
of life, not for nothing,
but, um, the matrix of the mind is at the very, um, top.
It goes from ter to Bina.
So at the very top left, and the fool is the very top right.
And, um, the cobble is sort
of described this lightning bolt path
that consciousness takes down into manifestation,
and then I suppose back up.
Um, but it's just interesting that if you do think
of the fool's journey kind of being this round trip
around the, um, the tree of life, at least, um, most
of the images that I've looked at, yeah,
you can see they're the, the fool.
Um, I actually map these out on my whiteboard last week,
and I have, and, and I used a combination of this
and a couple other ones that I pulled up
that also had the tarot on there.
There's one difference, if you scroll down,
I'll just point out, um, that where it says the star,
which is, um, which goes between tette
and up to s said up at the top there, the red bar kind
of on the right there, the star that,
and if you scroll down lower toward the bottom, the emperor,
uh, between yesod
and net soc, those two seem to be, um, transposed
in, in other, um, diagrams.
So the rest of the ones that I pulled up, probably three
or four maybe, um,
all have them pretty well laid out identically,
except those two seem to be transposed.
But anyway, I actually did this with colors on my whiteboard
to actually see, okay, where are all of the archetypes
of the mind, body, and spirit?
And interestingly, the, all the archetypes
of the mind are on the upper, um, part of the tree
above Tre, uh, the body is, um,
is below it, um, and all around it.
Um, yeah, that main central part there is the body
and the spirit is all at the very bottom.
Um,
And then I drew, I drew them out separately too.
So I drew seven trees of life
to draw just the matrices on one
and just the potentiators on another.
And anyway, so I'm, I'm, it's a flavor of I think what, um,
raw recommends in looking at, you know,
all the matrices together, the potentiators together.
Um, I'm just doing that sort of in a, a different twist
as it kind of lays on the tree of life as well.
I, I, I guess we should
look into this much more later.
I, I definitely wonder if there's shades of each archetype
that maybe there'd be multiple archetypes, um,
that should be represented by some of these relationships.
Multiple major arcana archetypes
or aspects of those archetypes would be represented by
individual paths here, um, in different ways
as though, I don't know if we know for sure
that this is a one-to-one mapping that is we just have
to put the right, um, relationship in, in the right place.
Um, or if it's more nuanced than that, just like
with astrology, it's,
they were suggesting it's more nuanced.
Yeah, exactly.
So I, I try not to overread into it,
plus I'm also relying on, you know, the internet basically
for these mappings.
And, um,
but still it was just another way for me to,
to look at these, um, in relation to the tree as well,
but also in relation to, um, each other in a way.
It's kind of interesting. I'll, I'll take a picture
and email it to you guys
and you can kind of see what I drew out there.
Great. Yeah, I feel like I just, I just need to spend
a day working on that to figure out
what, what makes sense to me.
Yeah. Um, Yeah,
You understand the archetypes a lot better than I do, so
I think, um, you'd, you know,
I would certainly need more help to more help
to draw those parallels.
I can talk about some of the energies in the tree
and the sra, you know, kind of where those paths are.
And then, um, connecting them to the archetypes,
specifically to the matrix potentiator catalyst experience
transformation in great way.
Um, a little bit more of a challenge. So,
Yeah.
So this is, um, something that we discussed
before on a call that was lost.
So might as well throw in these three, um, where,
where Don was getting at these, uh, the idea
of the potentials of relationships with different systems
to the major arkana and raw.
And Don asked, are the seven archetypes for mind a function
of or related to the seven densities that are
to be experienced in the octave?
Um, and Ross said the relationship is tangential
and that no congruency may be seen.
However, the progress through the archetypes has some
of the characteristics of the
progress through the densities.
These relationships may be viewed without being,
shall we say, pasted one upon the other.
Um, and then Don asked,
how about the seven bodily energy centers?
Are they related to archetypes in some way?
And Ross said the same may be said of these,
it is informative to view the relationships,
but stifling to insist upon the limitations of congruency
recall at all times, if you would use this term,
that the archetypes are a portion of the resources
of the mind complex,
and they're resources for developing will and faith.
And I assume will and faith have, um, have a role
to play in balancing every chakra to some degree.
As we apply our will, we're building up the, the energies,
The one above it.
Sorry, just to, um, point that out, um,
what you just said there, um, progress
through the archetypes has some of the characteristics
of progress through the densities.
That's kind of interesting
because, um, I feel like raw does give us a lot
of information about what progress
through the densities looks like.
Yeah. And I wonder if that's not another lens
through which we might draw some more parallels
of the archetypes at different densities.
'cause I feel like I have a, a little bit better grasp of,
of densities just
because maybe they went into it, um, a little differently.
Yeah, that's definitely true. Yeah.
I feel like the opening of the sun, you know,
as we're saying with Jesus, that the, the opening
of the heart is I think, very well represented there
as the fourth density, um, love and compassion.
Yeah. Hmm.
And I wonder how that would, what the parallel is then.
So an an example of progressing from one density to another
and progressing either from one archetype to another
or from, you know, the mind complex
to body complex archetypes, you know,
maybe from one phase to another, but
Mm-Hmm.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it could be that.
Um, yeah, the transformation of the spirit may have more
to do with the fifth density to a degree.
Um, as like the, the trans, the, the, you know, they say
that the transformation of the spirit is becoming, um,
well transmuting the material into the spiritual, um,
and becoming more like the nature
of light itself in its pure form.
And, you know, as you go to the fifth density,
then you start becoming, be able to manifest
through your mind, through light itself.
And six density, you become light itself instead of wearing
a physical body, which is not pure light, just,
but you become light itself and six density.
So I would assume that that would imply that you've become
like the great way of the spirit by then.
Um, so yeah, I, I think that maybe the, the,
the movement from, um, significant to transformation
to great way may have more to do with, you know, the third
to fourth, fifth kind of progression.
Okay. And then this would also have to
include the archetypes in pairs
or even in threes at each density, presumably
as well, just so you could cover
Yeah, Well, if you were to draw, you know,
that's why they said that there's actually no congruency.
So maybe that would be a step too far actually.
Yeah, I don't know.
Um, I think there was another one where they discussed the,
the nature of the archetypes in other densities.
I had a intuition to look at
that I didn't, I didn't find that quote yet.
I don't think we'll be able to cover it
right now until we can find it.
Um, unless you remember Nathan, where they talked about
the archetypes apply and the higher densities. Um,
I don't have it off the top of my head,
but I can try to search real quick too.
That might have been a previous conversation.
Um, okay.
So the next one here was, um,
then is there any relationship between the archetypes
and the planets of our solar system?
And Ross said, this is not a simple query properly,
the archetypes have some relationship to the planets.
However, this relationship is not one which can
be expressed in your language.
This, however, has not halted those among your people
who have become adepts from attempting to name
and described these relationships
to most purely understand, if we may use this misnomer,
the archetypes to most purely understand the archetypes is
well to view the concepts which make up each archetype
and reserve the study of planets
and other correspondences for meditation.
So when they say reserve it for meditation, I wonder if
that means, because when you're in a state of meditation,
you can begin to have a sense of the deeper, the deeper,
um, feelings without having to put words on it.
Yeah. And I think that this is, they're almost to me
emphasizing that this is more of a causal relationship
between the archetypes and the planets.
And when they say and other correspondences, I think
that might be a really broad statement.
I think what they might be saying is that we're pointing you
to the, the archetypical concepts,
which form everything that you can perceive.
And so you'll see it reflected everywhere,
but we're already pointing you to the concepts themselves,
which are more, um, fundamental,
and the reflections
or the correspondences are more emergent, um,
properties of those concepts.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so this is also where I, I had, you know,
it's like done, so totally should have continued on
to discuss the, uh, the tree of life here, I think,
and might've gotten a similar answer,
but I don't know how similar, because there are, you know,
there's a discussion of the relationships between these that
are more clear cut than the relationships between
the planets might be.
Right.
Hmm.
Um, Is not one which can be expressed in your language.
I, I love that, you know,
because Rod, um, routinely says
how something might be hard to put into words
Yeah. But
just said, Nope, that's
can't be expressed in, in English.
There's that deeper understanding
or intuition that comes with it in order
to even derive that.
But yeah, we can't even put it into words.
Our words are too clunky.
Let's talk about the concepts themselves.
Um, I think that's something where I still have a lot of
gray, um, going on the Excel spreadsheet
that you shared with us, um, before that Elizabeth
and you sort of compiled, is there a listing,
for example, of concepts, quote unquote, that, that
fall under each of the archetypes?
Um, well, there's, we made, we made a, my,
my wife made a spreadsheet that was basically the concepts
that ROT was suggesting.
But we have, we still haven't put together a spreadsheet
of every single symbol of every single tarot image.
Right. But those concepts are the ones, that's
what I think I'm asking about
what you have there underneath them.
Yeah. That's, yeah. That's helpful.
Yeah. Yeah.
This, this is worthy of discussing each one individually,
probably on another call as we're getting close
to our end for today.
Um, so I'm,
I'm debating if we should just dive straight into the
matrix, the matrices on the next month's discussion
after we have more chance to review all the, all the details
of the, of the images and, uh, do some extra study
of the symbology.
And, um,
Is that stage one, um, that they said, uh, one, eight
and 15 to the matric?
Yeah. Yeah. So one, eight
and 15 would be a good starting point.
Um, like it, And, um,
to a degree it's very helpful to be able to
jump ahead a little bit to two
to see the relationship between one and two.
But they said that was basically the next stage,
because the first stage is understanding what is a matrix,
what is a potentiator, what is the catalyst?
And I think maybe that will be more fruitful
because we were discussing at another point, uh, the,
the potential of saying, you know, what,
what is the condition in which one would become a matrix,
whether it would be a mind, body or spirit,
or become a matrix at, will become a potentiator at,
will become a catalyst at,
will become an experience at will.
What is that? What is that condition where we would do that?
And so that's why I think maybe,
maybe having just a strict focus on each, each one, um,
uh, as you said, to understand the, the nature of these, um,
Of the archetypes themselves, first
and foremost, I think for me.
And then as they apply to the mind, body
and spirit, I think,
and I think you can't have one probably without the other.
They're, you know, you're gonna get context.
Um, but yeah, those example scenarios like we were talking
about last time and
what you described there, I think would be very helpful.
Yeah. I like the idea of the persona, the term persona
that raw uses as well too.
'cause you can kind of put together those different concept
complexes to come up with that persona that has something
that can be embodied then at that point too,
or another way to, to look at it,
but harder, harder to narrow that down, it seems.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I assume that this is, you know,
what they're talking about with not be,
not being able to put it in words.
Um, there's a feeling to the persona
that I think we begin to understand more.
Um, for example, just what they were describing
with becoming the new mind.
Um, I, I think that that description of, of
that there is a new mind which has no bias.
Um, which, which session was that?
Um, I'm talking about session 91.
I think it was 91 35. Yeah.
And, uh, it, it is mysterious to me
that they were even able to answer this question
with a specific example
because of how hard it is for them to put into words
the feeling of the archetype.
Um, but they give a lot of words to it.
They give, give us more clues as to the feeling of it,
new mind, untouched mind, virgin,
Which is also an opposition to full and bursting. Yeah.
Yeah. There's a feeling to
that I think being overwhelmed.
Yeah. Hey.
But I, I think also with, um, discussing the, the magic
of the logos and the nature of the deep mind, it's like,
is like a ladder that we're climbing back down
and each rung of the ladder is releasing another aspect
of the mind that we thought was what our mind was.
That didn't have to be our mind once we let go of it,
and we just keep on descending into the depths of the,
the truly new mind, which we maybe we'll never,
we never access because we're still attached to some degree
to our body in this incarnation.
But
They also said earlier in one of the, the sessions
that we've reviewed today that, um,
all the archetypes are resources within the mind complex.
Right. And that seems interesting to me
because it's sort of, they come from
the mine, like the mine created its own
archetypes, I suppose.
Um, yeah, yeah. That's just, um,
Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah, it's like, well, may,
maybe I should just keep on reading a couple of these
and we'll, um, I think this is covered a little here.
The archetypes, the next one they said
are not the foundation for spiritual evolution,
but rather are the, are the tool
for grasping in an undistorted manner,
the nature of this evolution
Nature.
So it's a tool for understanding how
spirit evolves.
Yeah. And some,
to some degree, I don't know, when they,
when they talk about archetypes,
if they're specifically talking about the images
that are used as the tool, um, for getting a deeper sense
of the or,
or the, the major arc can archetype specifically as a tool
for understanding versus the principle of, you know, the,
the deeper areas of the mind that we're all sharing.
Um, but really the, the images are an expression
of those deeper areas of the mind.
So the images are themselves maybe like a word
that doesn't exist in the English language,
because it's too deep for us
to properly communicate without having
all these images together.
Yes. It's evocative, I think is the word that raw used.
Mm-Hmm.
And so then they then don asked, so for an individual
who wishes to consciously augment his own evolution,
an ability to recognize
and utilize the archetypes would be beneficial in sorting
out that which he wished to seek and that which he found,
and that which would be found then as not
as efficient a seeking tool.
Would this be a good statement?
And Rah said this is a fairly adequate statement.
The term efficient might also be fruit,
fruit fruitfully replaced by the term undistorted.
The archetypical. So what did he say here?
Um, it's not as fruitful a seeking tool.
So we're looking for the more fruitful seeking tools.
Um, the archetypical mind when
penetrated lucidly is a blueprint of the builded structure
of all energy expenditures
and all seeking without distortion.
This as a resource within the deep mind is
of great potential aid to the adapt.
We would ask for, oh yeah, that's the last,
um, part of that.
So they, they went on to talk about being out of time. Um,
That seems like what we were saying
before, that it would be like almost the purest level of
that archetype there is reaching that.
And, and one of those previous ones with the new mind is,
I guess contacting that part from what they're,
what they're referring to just in bigger terms there
of the blueprint and energy expenditures.
I look at that sentence as a, as a standalone sentence
and, and try to grasp how much more broad that it might be.
Um, so not just of consciousness,
but of, uh, the structure of all things,
of all energy expenditures and all seeking.
Hmm.
Yeah. It's, it, uh,
but it makes sense to be that if this is everything is
coming from this, these original refinements to the
cosmic mind, these, these are the foundations
or the blueprint, I guess.
So as we are baffling at each of these statements still,
I guess we, uh, we could, uh, wrap it up soon here,
um, at four o'clock. We can
Keep in mind that understanding is not of this density
and that we're doing our best, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
Um, so, uh, yeah, I hope
that we can be continuously more clear in our
communication, but, but I like
that we keep coming back to these words.
I don't know if we could do better than R'S words.
Um, it's just, I think the best we're gonna do is come up
with more, uh, deeper understandings of the, the symbols.
And then maybe in discussing the symbols more we can,
we can keep getting deeper into the best, um, explanations
of what are the other
conditions in which we would apply the other archetypes
besides the matrix of the spirit, matrix of the mind,
which is consciousness, which, um,
is still a great starting point, I think point, uh, for
every kind of seeking, um, to, to come back to that,
that realization of the, of infinite potential when you,
when we clear our minds
Before we've tapped into the potentiate, which would
then start to apply limits to whatever, um,
divinely inspired thought or need or whatever is arising.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And it definitely seemed like there was some indication
at different points that the, um, sort of the purity
or the, like, the purity at which we,
um, understand the catalyst
or use the catalyst, um, relates
to the experience that we're having.
So it's, it's as though there's a, you know, I think,
I think as, as we go through the archetypes, one by one,
a better understanding of the initial archetypes, um,
and what would, what might it mean
to become those archetypes might allow, allow us
to have more powerful expressions
and understandings of the,
of the subsequent archetypes as well.
That's my general feeling from it.
I agree. Especially since they started with nine,
you know, the first three, three of those.
And, um, so yeah, I think they give us a pretty good
linear path to go through and contemplate these things.
Yep. All right.
Any other thoughts?
Just looking forward to continuing the conversation.
This is always very insightful and fun, I think,
and very helpful for us.