All right.
I guess we could, I get started now
and I guess we'll do a short introductions.
Thank you guys for joining me.
I, I enjoy kind of bringing people
who haven't met each other together
for interesting conversations.
'cause I, I've, I've known all you guys for a while
and have great conversations,
and I know that whatever we
go into is gonna be a lot of fun.
But I, I have some ideas in mind for the subject.
We can get into the nature of finding our purpose
and being of service.
That's, I mean, it's almost seems like a central theme
that we all need to keep coming back to, is how do we be
of service to humanity?
What are we doing here? How do we break
through our own personal distortions and issues
and blockages that allow us to be of greater service
to a larger aspect of the, of the society that we're in,
which is struggling with all kinds of issues and blockages
and, um, confusions.
And, yeah, this is a, i, this seems like a bit
of a messed up planet right now
with a lot of confused people.
So people who, you know, can sort of shine the light
and say, this is, this is how we're gonna, you know,
bring us back into some degree of healing and unity.
And, um, that, that, that seems like
just what we need to be focused on.
So, I know all you guys have some thoughts on those kinds
of subjects, but I've got more questions,
but might as well do some quick introductions.
Um, and maybe I could just ask each of you to share, like,
what, what, what is your mission on this planet?
What are you trying to do to, to help humanity?
What, you know, what, what is your ideal vision
for helping humanity, um, with your incarnation?
So I could start with, uh, Chris.
Alright. Hey everybody.
I'm Chris and yeah, my,
I don't know if I have a stated mission to help humanity,
but certainly the raising
of consciousness is something I've been, you know, uh,
I, I've been trying to do with myself.
And also I've been trying to help others do for a long,
long time, ever since, uh, ever since I, I read, uh,
Whitley ER's book around 1990.
Um, anyway, that started my mind opening.
But, but yeah, I think it's just the high, the raising
of consciousness in whichever way I can.
And, but honestly, I've found a lot of difficulty in doing
that because normies normal people,
they don't, they don't have any inkling
to raise their consciousness.
So it's, I mean, I've been teaching meditation
and running sessions for years and years and years,
and no one's interested.
Uh, very few people are interested.
So anyway, that's where I find myself right now.
All right. Yeah, that's a great subject to get into.
How do we actually break through some of these walls
for people, um, around, you know, finding value in what,
what is actually our, our, you know, our function to, to,
to heal with the inner work.
Um, all right. Let's go to, uh, John.
Yes. Uh, first of all, uh, I'd like to thank you, Mike,
for the invitation that, uh, uh, very deeply appreciated.
And, and you're like, sole brother, bro. I agree.
And nice to see you again, Chris.
And nice to meet you, Randy. Uh, very cool. Thank you.
Um, well, so, uh, my purpose, it's kind
of similar to what, uh, Chris said in, in a way of like,
raising people's vibrations.
But there were other things that, uh, throughout my life
that, uh, that I was gravitated to in a way of creativity,
music, art, um, you know, um, uh,
figuring things out, um, in a, almost like a mechanical way,
trying to, to, to figure things out in that respect.
And, uh, over the years, I've picked up, uh,
many different types of skills.
So I guess I would consider myself
what some people call a multi-disciplinarian.
So I got, uh, a few things that, uh, that could be useful
in many different areas.
Um, but, uh, I think the primary thing, uh,
uh, in my purpose, what it feels like is to, um,
um, get people, or,
or to, to help people, um,
realize their true power.
And not just in a way of like, uh, oh,
here's a nice little saying,
or like this, uh, new agey type of thing or whatever.
Uh, like all those things are great,
but in a way where you can actually tie it in to something
that's been observable through our, you know, through
through sciences and through different types of, um,
experiments or,
or even in your own personal lives
that you notice certain things.
And how does this work and why is it working?
And basically, uh, the bottom line is, is, um,
uh, the power that we each contain,
which I've been working on something
for the past few months, and some of the stuff that I come,
that I've, uh, looked into is insane in, in that respect,
where it can help people to, to, to look at these things
and see how powerful they truly are.
You're talking about like metaphysical
tools, metaphysical laws,
Yes. But,
but it also, like, there, there are things, uh,
measurements that have been done within physics
and quantum physics as well, where you can look at some
of these things and,
and you see, um,
that there's an immeasurable amount of energy
Like prana that it, No, like literal potential energy,
but you can call it prana too, right?
But actual, literal, maybe if you want,
we can go into some of that stuff.
But this is, uh, it's pretty exciting.
And, you know, like, uh,
so I've been working on something in, in a way
of a presentation in that respect.
So I, I think it, it,
I think it's pretty exciting myself personally.
Okay. Yeah. I, you're teasing us quite a lot.
Maybe we'll get into that later too. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, all right.
Yeah, I think we can dovetail around
to the nature of physics, too.
Yeah. Um, so Randy, what you been up to?
Um, not too much.
Just living life, observing this crazy reality.
You know, what is this, you know, what is this experience?
Um, uh, I don't know if you guys saw our last conversation,
was it last week, but, uh, yeah, I have memory from
before I came here and such, uh, I remember agreeing
to come here and basically contribute
as like a counterweight, you know, to come down here
and help push on this grid here.
And just to help the scales be more balanced towards,
you know, the light towards the good,
and really more so like what human potential really is.
I know you mentioned, um, getting us back to a place
of love, and so I don't think it's ever been done, right.
I don't think we've ever gotten to a place
where our true human potential could, you know,
really shine except for like, in the darker areas.
So I'm just here to kind of observe, um,
and help in any way I can and just experience
and have this human experience, you know,
and just exist, you know, and,
and try to just push things in the right
direction to help, you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
I, I, I like that the law of one books, they kind of refer
to it as not like a specific mission so much that a lot
of souls have come here to help with,
but more like just a general mission
of raising the vibration
and just be essentially being brighter light so that the,
the, the rest of the planet can be more inspired
or more benefited by feeling more love.
And a, a lot of it is just the amount of love, I think
that is just kind of absent.
It's just like, I, people go through so much
of their lives without feeling loved
or knowing how to open up to love.
Um, and I see that as, you know, fundamentally about
personal blockages of lower energy centers, lower shockers,
which relate to the way we view ourselves
and the way we view others in society.
A lot of that, I think, has to do with like, you know, stuff
that's been passed down from generation to generation,
or people are trained.
You have to kind of treat this as like,
almost like a battlefield where we're gonna try
to manipulate and control and, and,
and play, you know, a competitive game as much
as we can with relationships.
And even, you know, our family relationships are not,
are not seen as sacred by much of our culture anymore,
or maybe EE ever, uh, but,
but I think some cultures
maybe a bit better than others are.
I think maybe we're deteriorating in the strength
of the families today with people feeling like, you know,
we have to just agree to forgive each other
and love each other no matter what it is,
and not just a abandon of one another,
and leave their, let home, let people become homeless
because their family doesn't care anymore.
That, that breaks my heart every time I see, you know,
people who are out on the street
and they just, they have nobody at all to turn to,
or they feel like they can't,
because it's like all that drama that's been building up.
But I guess that's like a microcosm of the bigger issues of,
you know, of kind of a fractured view of,
of what we're doing here.
That it's actually a spiritual, uh, game that we're in,
where we're trying to actually learn love.
And that's actually the core of the game.
It's not just like a side thing, and like, making money and,
and, and progressing in society is, is seen
as more virtuous than actually progressing spiritually
and becoming more able to forgive
and integrate with one another.
Yeah, totally. You know, when you're as,
as just a being, right?
When your basic needs are met, you know, good food, shelter,
warmth, you know, um, you know, water, all that stuff.
But I mean, that's like the base bottom thing,
and everyone's just scrounging trying to just get that,
you know, and it's like this,
we're really scratching at the bottom lower end of things.
And it's like, if,
if all humans on earth could just work in a balance to have
that covered for everyone, you know, where is the ceiling?
You know, what are humans actually capable of, you know?
And I think just from my experiences, you know, it,
there's, there's a lot more that people are,
and people are capable of, you know,
and it's not even, we're not even scratching the
surface here, you know?
So it's like, and I think this is intentional.
I think we're, we're, this is a prison,
this is like a prison planet, you know?
And it's like we're all kept in this lower frequency
vibration to feed into this system
where then a few could profit, you know?
And it's like, we gotta raise the frequency
of the beings on this planet.
And it's like, the second that happens is like, those people
who are in control now will have no control at all.
You know? And it's like, it's so easy,
but it's like we're, it's like when you have an animal
that's been kept in a cage his whole life,
and then finally someone saves it
and brings it to this giant preserve, and they open the cage
and the animal doesn't wanna get outta the cage, you know?
And then it touches grass, and it's like, what is this?
I'm afraid of this, you know? And it's like, ah,
if you only knew what's out there, you know?
And it's like, that's how I feel like
on this planet looking at people.
Well, I, I kind of look at it in a, in a similar way,
except, uh, with a slightly different, uh, take on it,
is that because currently we feel like we're like at the
bottom of the rung or whatever, or,
or kind of like a, our potential's not, not fully realized,
but the take I I look at is we're already
fully using all of our potential
at all times without any type of, um,
um, what's it called, uh, degradation.
And this is just what we're choosing.
It's what we're focusing on
because, uh, you know, like for, for example,
manifesting something, you, you can focus on
that manifestation and, and get it,
but it takes a lot of work from, um,
I guess the distorted point of view to get something
positive, right?
Uh, uh, and,
and to receive something, uh, uh, like that,
of that nature, right?
But because of the, I guess the social conditioning is
that we're, we're using our full potential
to live in mediocrity.
We're completely, um, uh, manifesting mediocre
or less like, like crappy situations,
but we're still manifesting it fully, right?
So it's like, uh, the analogy I like to use is like, uh,
whoever the controllers are, they're like magicians.
It just, just slight of hand Mm-Hmm.
In order to gain access to, to your power.
So we're a proxy for
whatever negative beings that may or may not have bodies,
but they, they use us in order to, to gain
that power on earth.
And if you can collectively herd everybody on the planet
on a similar wavelength, like right now,
it's like there's a whisperings of World War iii,
and like a new X virus is coming out and whatever, right?
It, it's still, it's giving us that like, oh, man,
we gotta go through this again.
And that feeling is then amplified saying, Hey,
let's just keep on making this machine.
Or what some people would be calling, I guess lu,
I'm not particularly sure if they feed off of it
or is they're using us as a proxy to continue some type of,
uh, power, power over, uh,
a fictitious power over everyone.
I, I, more or less, I could, I could say that it's,
it's extremely apparent to me, uh, being like a parent
and seeing how my, my, my child is kind of like,
just reflecting, constantly, reflecting everything
that's going on in my mind
and my wife's mind when he's around us.
If one of us has a thought, oh, I hope he doesn't do that,
he's exponentially more likely to do that thing,
because it started entering into our consciousness.
And so it's like we have to kind of train ourselves.
It's like, we gotta, we really have
to heal ourselves if we wanna see him reflect that healing.
And it seems like Yeah, absolutely.
The, the power that we're, that we're using
to manifest our current reality
and the craziness of the culture is just like
everyone not realizing how much they're responsible for it.
It's just, just pointing the finger outward and,
and being worried and stressed.
And that's, that's the energy that we're in collectively.
But a lot of them are doing it from the, from the point
of not even knowing that they're manifesters.
Yeah. They have no idea.
So they're kind of going on, like, um, autopilot
or some people, the, the moniker is coming up again, uh,
calling people NPCs, like a non-person
character in a video game.
You know, it's not that they're not, they're not human,
it's just they're not conscious of who they are
and what type of energy they put out.
That's kind of what I meant when I said like, um,
we're operating in this lower frequency, you know,
almost like a, a prisoner would, is like,
I feel like there are, we have abilities, you know, like,
um, they say we have five senses.
Well, sure we have five, but we have more.
Like when a mother feels a gut instinct
or, you know, like you're subconsciously reading body
language or, you know, you're,
you're tuning into frequency and stuff like that.
You get a, do you ever have someone walk in a room
and like, just change the whole energy of a room
or, or stuff like that?
And it's like, what are these senses?
And can they be, can they be strengthened as if, you know,
like you could say like,
we're operating in our full potential and we are.
Right? I'm not, I don't disagree with that,
but what, what could we, you know,
if it's just like a muscle that's not used at atrophies,
you know, and if, if you go
and you use that muscle little by little every day,
eventually you get to a point
where then you can start running faster,
or you become stronger, you become, you know, then you're,
you're also living to your full potential,
but your full potential ceiling has risen from
where you were before.
You know? And that's what I kind of feel like is
the humanity as a,
as a whole is being kept in this low frequency
version of itself.
You know, like, you know, if I grow a plant like a bonsai,
you know, it, it, it'll be beautiful.
It'll be proportionate. It'll, it'll live up
to its full potential within that pot.
But if I plant that, that same plant in the ground,
it's gonna be bigger, it's fuller, it's gonna, you know,
much more vibrant, many more branches and stuff like that.
And that's what happens, I think our nervous system,
our spiritual selves and stuff like that.
So, you know, it's like, of course, yeah.
Like, you know, you can live
to be your full self at all times,
but have you hit a ceiling?
You know, and is that a soft ceiling or a hard ceiling?
You know? And what is the limit of,
of human potential, you know?
And I don't think that's ever really been reached, you know,
I think there have been people in societies throughout
history that have had different, you know, potentials,
you know, like, um, you know, some,
something built the pyramids, you know, uh, um, Atlantis may
or may not have existed, you know, I don't know
what they called it back then, you know,
but I, I mean, there are, you know, places in my mind
where I have memory from things like that.
And it's like, it's trickled into this life
where I have the abilities
to see things little diff just a little differently than
a lot of my peers all my life.
You know? Like even when I was very young, like, I could,
I could meet someone and I could tell like, okay,
this person, there's something going on.
You know? And I'd tell my mom,
and they would be, how did you know that?
You know? And it's like, before you have that
wool pulled over your eyes as chil as children,
our potential is, is high, you know?
And I, I believe school
and society are structured in a way
to keep us broken, you know?
And, and to keep us from really growing in those,
you know, deep rooted ways.
But I, I, you know, I don't think it's too late.
You know, I think it's, it's always we're,
it's always any given moment you can reach that potential.
You know, we can all astral travel.
We all have psychic ability, you know, it's something
that we all have, you know, I don't think it's special
to certain individuals, but it can be nurtured and grown
and exercised and strengthened.
So yeah, I think that's part of,
um, I guess you could say a mission.
Yeah. Um, yeah.
So I guess I, I feel that there's a kind of a natural
awakening to these, these inner intuitive guidances
or abilities once we kind of break through some
of the, from our personal walls.
And I, I, I, Chris has instructed me that the, the,
the Hindus will, the, the right word to use is Sams scars.
And that we're basically breaking through, trying to bust
through all these, these little attachments.
How would you describe Sams scars? Chris?
Uh, you could describe Samskara as a, a cocoon.
So if you think about our pure soul as just a pure
soul and pure lightness,
and then by living in incarnate, by living in bodies,
we have, we, we develop an ego.
And that ego is fear and temptation.
That those are the two sides.
Those are the, and that encompasses everything,
all our desires and wants and fears and everything.
And through our ego, we sort of wrap ourselves in a cocoon,
and we cover up that light that's in our heart.
So the pure light is always there.
That's what you were sort of referring to, John.
I, I think that the pure light's always there, all
that potential is always there,
but then we cover it up with all this ego.
Samskara is the word in, you know, that they use.
And so in, in that sense,
the spiritual journey is just removing this samskara.
It's not a, it's not a process of becoming something else.
It's a process of dropping the samskara
and the ego, you know?
And so, and when we drop all that, whatever beauty
that is light, whatever, we don't even know what it is, is,
is more shining forth.
So I agree with everything you guys have been saying,
and you've just been describing the ego and fear
and temptation and Mm-Hmm.
And guess what? That fear
and temptation ego allows those in
control to brainwash us and to subjugate us
and to, uh, train us.
This is how you act. This is what you can question.
This is what you cannot question, and all that stuff. So,
So what is the journey then?
Is it mainly in identifying what these attachments are
that we haven't yet properly looked at?
Yeah. In the practice, I learned we don't have
to identify everything.
I mean, it's, it's impossible to identify all the desires
and fears and all.
It just, it is what it is.
So we just, we have a, there's a process
where you just clean yourself.
You just let go of all your samskara,
and you just, you, you say it like that.
I'm letting go of everything,
and I'm letting the sacred current
of the divine fill that void.
So I'm getting rid, I'm letting the master,
the great master clean me.
And in its place is this pure divinity.
And if you do that, you know, if you do that every day, and,
and, and you have the purpose, you, you know, you, you do it
with the purpose of becoming more divine and,
and diminishing your ego.
It, you know, day after day after day, year
after year, it, it happens.
Yeah, that makes sense. Um, I,
I recently read in the Course of Miracles that, um,
there's a section there and the manual for teachers about,
you know, how to spend your day.
And it recommends the beginning of the day
and the ending of the day to take a period.
It doesn't even matter how long, as long
as you make a dedicated effort every day to choose to
realign with the will of God
or the highest, you know, vision.
And we don't even have to have
an understanding of what that is.
But it's almost like having a faith that there is, that,
that higher aspect that is able
to work on us on a different level than we're normally
consciously aware of.
But on that deepest level, to kind
of allow the realignment to take place.
I'm sure there's many different words
and different ways to talk about that kind of process,
but like, openness to the faith that, that,
that transformation is possible is probably, and, and,
and a dedicated discipline to doing
that is probably one of the, one of the keys.
Because I feel like when we're
Little, when we're real little, it's like
before we have the samskara, uh, cocoon, you know, built up
around us, it feels like we're,
we're more just pure light work.
It's almost like we, we just, we, we had just incarnated,
we just came from the source, you know,
as children being born.
And it's like, you know, you gotta listen
to little kids when they talk, you know?
And don't tell 'em, Hey, that's not right, that's not,
you know, listen to talk
to 'em like they're adults and stuff.
And it's, you know, that's how my parents always were.
It was, they always talked to me like I was an adult.
And, you know, it was very rarely
they said, well, that's not real.
I can't, you know, I was like, okay, you know,
didn't put me in a box, you know?
And then I went to school, and kindergarten was great,
and then first, first grade came around, it was like,
what the heck is this?
You know, I rejected it, you know, it was like, this is bad.
And my, my brother, two years younger than me
when I was in third grade, you know, he was in first,
and it was like, this sucks.
This is not right. This is not
where we're supposed to be doing this.
You know, this is bad. You know, it was like,
we can't wait till summer break comes,
and then we could just, you know, forget it all.
Let it all go. And where was I?
You know, it was like, I feel like me
and him are still at that place where it's just like,
we see societies, chains, and, and boxes,
and we're just like, oh, we, we reject that.
Like, no, we just, you know,
and it's like, I, when you say like, kill your ego
and stuff, man, I remember like being young
and having that like godhead, you know, where I was, like,
the world revolves around me.
I remember like when that died, you know?
And it was like, so freeing.
But you know, then once it's gone
and you let go of like, your ego and stuff,
and you look around and it's just like, man,
everybody's like in a, in a prison, you know?
And it's like, I, this, I, I, I,
this I want, it's like, oh gosh.
You know? And it's like, we're so much more, you know? Yeah.
Well, we also have to be careful though, as we sort of
understand the ego better
and re we release some of our own ego.
We also have to understand that we can never get rid
of our ego a hundred percent while we're incarnate.
And also that, um, it,
it's thinking that you have no, ego is more ego,
Right?
So just gotta be careful, right? That's Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you mean.
Like, for example, I, I, I am the most humble person.
I know. I have so much humility that
nobody's more humble than me.
That's good. But really, the, the question there is
who are you the, who is the one doing the talking? There?
It's only me, man. I'm the center. I'm the center.
But, uh, on, on a lighter note,
but actually more on a serious note,
but in a way, it is kind of true that you are
the center of the universe.
But the thing is, you're not the exclusive
center of the universe.
You're exclusively your center. Right?
But then there's the other person in front of you that's
of the center of the universe.
'cause everybody from some w whatever, uh,
perspective, like if you had a, like a,
like a spiritual camera going
around everybody or whatever, right?
Like some kind of viewing mechanism,
every single person would have the same circumference
of being in the center of the universe.
Yeah. So now it, it's more like, um, um, uh,
how do we, um, now align?
Because I was saying earlier, everybody, um, uh,
is using their full potential at all times,
but it's
because my full potential is maybe not
what your full potential is.
So even though we're using all the power of the universe,
there's still that free will happening.
My free will and your free will.
And, and
that may be a reason why some things don't
manifest the way we want to.
But then it comes down to the idea of, uh, unity.
Do we consciously make an effort to unify
or like, uh, um, Chris was saying earlier, letting go,
and when you let go, does that, uh, letting go
unify by default.
And then with we become, yeah.
And then we, we uni Or maybe it's a combination of both.
I think you Have a particular she,
but I know through uni, through Unity,
that's when there's a clarity of where we want to go.
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. You nailed it.
Like, um, like we, you as an individual, our everything
and nothing at the same time.
You know, it's like, um, I said
before, it's like, like the, the saying, like as above, so
below, like the, we're, we're all,
we are all the same thing, you know?
Like, you are me and I am, you we're, we're,
we're the same expression, just experiencing our own version
of, of this world, this, this experience.
You know? And it's like, um, what you, what happens
to you if you truly listen to what's happening
and your feelings and everything like that,
and you try to understand that and yourself
and the people around you then all
of a sudden make more more sense, you know?
And it's like you see yourself in the other,
in other people, you know,
and you can identify with, oh, you know,
I remember having a similar experience.
And, and if you really have your experience thoroughly,
and you don't hide from it,
and you see it through from beginning to end,
and you get out and you, you survive it,
then when you see someone else having a,
a similar experience, it's almost like you can then diagnose
and help them and get through it too.
You know? And I feel like that's kind of like, helpful,
you know, a lot of people don't do that.
They just think about it from their perspective, you know?
And it's, we're all the same.
Like the, the, the guy that's homeless
and has nothing is worth the exact same as, as the,
the most wealthy guy flying
around on private jet jets and stuff.
You know? It's like, we are all equally important, you know?
And it also, none of us are important at all.
It's like my dad used to say, you're the saying, uh,
you are a unique snowflake just like everyone else.
We're all, you know, every everyone has a value.
And, and you should respect and,
and love, I think love everyone, you know,
even if they wrong you, you know?
So, so I want to add another dimension on this, which is
that, um, if you think about like pride, pride is usually,
you know, taking up this, this a particular idea
of yourself, an identification
of this very tiny small body which
is doing this particular thing.
And then you're attaching this
little piece of identity to it.
I'm proud about this thing.
And so you have this tiny box in this infinite universe
of amazingness that is actually you.
And you're saying, this little tiny box is what makes me
so great when it's, it's, you're taking the finite
and you're elevating it over your infinite nature.
Your infinite nature is that of the love
and the light that is, that is reflected across everyone in
like a kaleidoscope in infinite different ways.
And it's the infinite nature that is the true, the,
the truth about our identity.
And so on the, in the law of one books,
they talk about the archetypes,
and one of the archetypes is the
transformation of the spirit.
And they talk about the idea that really what's happening
with spiritual transformation is changing what we see
as material and finite into an appreciation of
what is infinite and spirit.
And that's, and that, and that journey
that we're taking is going from the ident identity
and the finite to identity
and the infinite, which is absolutely
what happens when we break down all the walls
and we see ourselves and everyone else,
and we become one with everything, everything else emerge.
And, and that's, that's the joy of, of the,
the positive path, I think.
Well, we, we look at it, uh, like for example,
the word pride, right?
It has, it has a particular vibration to it.
And what do we attach to that word? Pride.
'cause actually, one of my first lessons,
way back in the day, uh, one of my buddies, um,
who is now like a, like a Greek Orthodox bishop,
he's basically like the head of all the us as a bishop.
And, and I asked him,
but like, we were talking about something
and you know, as a good Christian boy is like, oh, no,
you know, like, that's pride
or whatever, and this is, and that.
And he was like, wait, there is pride that we focus on
that's, that's more negatively oriented,
but there's al always an opposite.
There's like, there's a good pride and a bad pride, right?
Right. Like, there, there are, there are opposites
with just about everything.
There's a dark, and then there's a light, right?
Like the darkness in of itself
is not necessarily evil,
and the light in of itself is not necessarily good.
Or like, they're more or less kind of neutral.
I've been in both spots, and it felt like the same, right?
But when you gravitate to one, like the darkness, I,
I just, it, it's the lack of knowledge
and the light is,
is knowledge, right?
But so many spiritual teachers
and sages and,
and people have always been talking about like,
you gotta go down the middle road.
You gotta walk the straight and narrow.
And people are thinking, well, you know,
like people in religions and churches
and stuff, they're, they're like, no, it's more
of a dogmatic thing.
But I think it's more of like a literal Mm-Hmm.
Not dog dogmatize within a religion.
It's like you've gone
through enough experiences in your life to know
what it feels like on each side,
and you're falling on one side,
then you're falling on the other side.
But then all of a sudden you're noticing, okay, like,
now I'm on a tightrope Mm-Hmm.
And now I got this stick to help me balance,
and I gotta, I gotta walk down the straight
and narrow, like all the stuff that's going on now,
all the news o uh, uh, of like UFOs
and stuff like that, like, uh, interdimensional things
of wars and all that kind.
Like, I honestly don't know what
to believe in, right?
But I, I am open
to everything,
but it, it, it all, it,
all those things basically force me
to go on the straight and narrow, right?
That I don't just jump on one thing
and jump on the other thing
and say that this is, this is, it.
It kind of forces me to be more aligned. Mm-Hmm.
And when I go out of alignment, I feel that what,
I guess you can say, karmically, I'll get a response in,
in the real world, like, boom.
Oh dang. And then it just
brings me to attention again.
Yeah. I think when you mentioned like,
we'll just keep using pride as an example, right?
So like, if you go out
and you do something that you're proud of,
like you shouldn't be ashamed to be proud of the thing,
but there, there where you hit that point where it's like,
all right, now I'm
obsessing over it, it's becoming unhealthy.
I'm starting to think I'm better than others.
So then you, you, you've surpassed
where it becomes healthy, right?
So it's like, too much
of a good thing can be very bad, you know?
But, but you shouldn't be afraid to have bad experiences
or good experiences, you know, just like,
like lust, you know, was another one.
Like a little bit of lust.
I mean, if it wasn't for lust,
we wouldn't repopulate the earth, you know?
So, you know, not all lust is bad.
You know, it's like, uh, like, uh, look at nature.
That's why I always say like, there's a pride alliance,
you know, like you take a pride alliance, for example.
I mean, that's their strength is their,
their confidence, you know?
And their, their, they stick together
and, you know, so I mean, you know, it's like nature knows,
you know, and as humans, I feel like almost like,
we don't belong in this planet
because we are hyper analyzing all these things.
Whereas like a pride of lions, they don't, they don't,
they probably don't sit around
and say, Hey, you think we're getting too cocky?
You know, it's like nature just finds
that balance, you know?
Like the, the lions never hunt the gazelle to the point
of extinction, because they live in an equilibrium
with nature people.
However we do, we, we will move to an area and,
and hunt something to the point where it's gone, you know?
And it's like we are,
it's almost like we were gifted this planet
and we don't deserve it necessarily.
And it's like, you know, it's like the kid
who gets a Ferrari from his parents
for, for graduating high school.
It's like, he didn't earn that Ferrari, you know?
But if he, if he delivered papers for 10 years
and saved up all his money
and then bought a, a, you know, a $5,000 car,
he's gonna drive that $5,000 car.
Like, that's his baby, you know? 'cause he earned it.
He appreciates it.
So like this planet, I don't know that we, that we
grew up here, you know,
it almost feels like this is our classroom
and we're here to solve something else.
And I almost think that if there is a creator
that's responsible, then maybe
that creator's also learning something from this experience
too, through us, you know?
Which is why I turn to like the Bible and stuff.
I always say, you know, there's so many different versions
of religion out there who have different words,
and they all have a piece of the puzzle, right?
They're, they're not all wrong, you know,
but they're not all exactly right either.
So I think as, as a a an individual, it's up to us to kind
of like find the truth in everything.
You know? There's, there's always a little bit of truth,
almost like in every movie there's a little
truth in there, you know?
It's like, gotta try to put together this puzzle.
And, you know, the bigger picture stuff, I think is,
is very interesting.
Yeah. I have, I have a few subjects related to that.
I think it'd be maybe fun to touch on.
Um, one of them I was thinking, you know, it's like we're
so easily divided by these very, very charged,
uh, belief systems that are very divisive.
And it almost feels like our society is drawn towards the
most divisive belief systems,
because there's the most charges around there.
And it's almost like an attractive energy high, for example,
like the issue of abortion, where some people are like,
you have to, you have to protect the rights of women
to do what they want with their bodies.
And it's like this divine feminine archetype.
People are like trying to project,
and it's like, this is such a holy thing.
Other people are like, well, no, no,
the sanctity of life is the holy thing.
Protect the baby. And it's like,
people can build up this great, this great amount of love.
We have to do the right thing.
We have to do the right thing.
And then we're, we're meanwhile kind of ignoring
that every situation is unique.
Every, every mom who has, who has become pregnant has,
has something that they have to work through.
And they may have economic challenges,
they may have family challenges.
There's all kinds of things that are going
through in their reality,
which doesn't have a clear cut political answer.
It has like, it has like a, a,
a deep personal in the moment.
Like everything, it feels like it's
collapsing around the present moment.
It's like, what, what actually,
rep was love in the present moment.
And that's not the ideas of politicians
that we sometimes get attracted to
and hold around to have these wars around.
It's not always black and white, right? Yeah, it's,
Well, um, I think that, uh, with this situation,
it's, it's, I believe it's more with the environment,
the environment that we're living in, um,
brings say that woman towards, uh, uh,
getting an abortion
because of certain environmental issues,
which is completely understandable, right?
But who created
that environment, right?
Why are we supposed to be in economic,
uh, strife?
Why are there people who are homeless?
Or why are, why are we in this particular situation?
It's like an environmental thing.
I believe, like, um, what Randy was saying earlier, that
if, if we're all kind like the earth is nicely balanced
or, or whatever, right?
Like every, all our needs are basic
needs are met more or less.
I don't think there would be the incentive for someone
to get an abortion, right?
I think it's more based on the incentives.
How do we change the planet?
How do we change the world we're living in?
I believe we have to switch the incentives.
Change the incentives.
'cause right now, the incentive is I gotta go out,
work 40 plus hours a week, get a paycheck,
get some food, you know?
And, you know, uh, uh, if you're, if you're in a family,
you know, take care of your family,
pay rent or whatever, right?
We're, we're so inundated with this,
with this overarching work culture.
And the incentive is you get a place to sleep
and you get food, right?
Like, I gotta survive, right?
But now, if the incentives are switched
and now everybody, like everybody has those basic needs,
then the incentives change, right?
And then when they change, energetically speaking, you, you,
the, the whole planet will change
because now people are, are not in this
constant state of high anxiety.
Right? And which, which seems like that's like a, a like a,
a program that's been inserted onto, uh,
humans on planet earth.
You know,
I'd like to bring up a question for you guys,
because a lot of the masters,
spiritual masters, they don't
get involved in discussions this granular.
They sort of, and, and they'll say,
because they understand that this plane
of existence is just, it, it, it's a, it's a play.
It's, it's, it's, it's individual souls confronting
what they have to confront to grow their consciousness.
And that necessarily entails a lot of pain and suffering.
And so that's what the human plane is.
It's just people going through a lot of pain
and suffering and learning.
And the, I don't think the spiritual masters try
to focus on how can we save people from pain and suffering?
Because spiritually speaking, there's no way
to save people from pain and suffering.
Karmically, they have, you know, I have to go
through what I have to go through.
I can't avoid that. You guys can't stop it.
You guys could come and tend to me, uh, hand
and foot 24 7.
I'm still gonna go through whatever pain
and suffering that I have to go
through May now, maybe not as much.
So what I'm saying is, what do you guys think of that?
That this is the, you know, it's, it's like our,
our juah talking to Lord Krishna, it's like, you gotta,
you gotta go through it.
You gotta go and kill, kill people that you know, and you,
and you know, um, what
do you, what do you guys think of that?
No, I, so that's true. It's true.
'cause even if all your needs are met,
your life's still gonna have highs and lows.
You're still gonna have suffering and pain and pleasure
and love and all that stuff.
But the, I think what we're kind of getting to here is
that we are being manipulated
into staying in the lower struggle of just suffering
and feeling pain just to, to survive, you know,
to have food, water, shelter, you know,
buying a home, having a family.
And it's like, if we're kept in these lower ends,
these lower places where our basic needs we're,
we're fighting just for the basic needs,
we're gonna experience the pain and suffering of that.
Whereas if we could just have that be solved, then we,
we would, our sufferings would be more on the, you know,
like she, she came and she loved me,
and I loved her, and she left.
And, you know, the, my, my art career failed.
And I thought I was, you know, an our pain
and suffering would then be in a different place.
It wouldn't be on these lower places of trying, just trying
to survive and have, you know, a family and stuff.
I think you're right, we're gonna suffer no matter what.
But I think that we're being kept in this lower version
of suffering so that a few people can manipulate the planet,
you know, because if that's like a, like a renaissance,
you know, that always comes after a depression, is like,
there's still pain and suffering in that.
You know, even when we don't have war
and all that stuff, people are still gonna suffer and, and,
and also succeed and stuff.
But it just, it just feels like we're being manipulated
as a planet to stay in this lower frequency, this,
this low vibrational phase.
And it's, it's depressing
because, you know, I, I could see
what people are like when their, their needs are met.
And then, you know, the pain
and suffering is much more fun to observe.
You know, it's like, you know, better music
and better arts all happening,
and yeah, we're all suffering still too.
And, you know, complaining,
we're always gonna complain, right?
Even when things are good.
But I don't know,
it just feels like we're being manipulated as a planet.
You know? I don't like that. I don't like when there's a,
Like, you Know,
I assume there's, there's a kind of different karma
or samskara with the individual versus the collective.
But I think we're all kind of connected like a,
like a hundredth monkey syndrome kind of thing where, um,
maybe, maybe there's, when when I learn a particular lesson,
maybe that gets planted into the Akashic mind,
and there's some, you know, maybe as more
of a start learning a particular lesson,
other people start having easier time breaking through
that same, that same issue.
And I think that's happening extremely fast right now on,
on the planet, as people are starting to recognize the way
and way we, we've been manipulated into a
system which is not helping us.
And that, you know, spiritual tools might be the better
path than trying to, you know,
just figure out from the television
and just be being distracted all the time with, um,
you know, e entertainment
or whatever it is that, that people are selling to try
to maintain a slightly bigger piece of the pie to keep,
to keep us all focusing on whatever it is
that they're wanting us to focus on.
Um, so, um,
but one of my favorite quotes in the law of one says, um,
enlightenment is of the moment, it can only be accomplished
by the self, for the self.
Another self cannot teach, learn enlightenment,
but only teach, learn information, inspiration
or a sharing of love, a sharing of mystery,
or a sharing of the unknown
that makes the other self reach out
and begin that seeking process that ends in a moment.
But who can know when an entity
will open the gate to the present?
Hmm. So it's still a mystery to me,
but it's almost as though it's,
it's like we're just showing a different movie when we are
waking up in front of other people, when we're being rated
and inspiration all that in front of other people,
they have the option to just watch a different movie
and say, maybe I'd prefer something more like
that movie than the movie I've been watching.
So I think we're all, like Ramdas said, it's like,
like we're all walking each other home.
It's like we're all hand in hand.
If we wanna be, we can kind
of be learning these lessons together,
but ultimately it's up to everyone to choose
what they're, what they're wanting.
Well, that brings me to the thing.
Um, uh, would you kind of, uh, through the law of one,
just kind of, uh, mentioned about enlightenment?
I remember, um, uh, uh, one
of Buddha's students, um, asked him,
what, what is enlightenment?
And Buddha just answered the end of suffering, right?
And in a way that makes sense
because suffering it, it's more of like a
psychological thing.
You can physically obviously go through pain
and all that kind of stuff, but the poor me
is the one who's suffering, right?
And, but I feel that
in this universe that's been created
or emerged
or whatever type of like a, uh, uh, beginning story
that you wanna attach to it, um,
somewhere in a, in a universe, there are beings
that are completely like balanced
and perhaps planets, whole planets
that are, uh, in alignment.
And the idea of suffering in the way we,
um, experience it on earth is not a thing.
Now, when I look at it, there, there are always,
within like a physical type of universe,
there's always gonna be contrast.
And of course, there are gonna be stepping stones in order
to get past certain things.
Like they'll say we as earth humans
completely, we're unified.
No more suffering. We're cool,
but there, there's gonna be challenges
for us to, to grow.
Except it won't, hopefully it won't be that this,
this, uh, continuous grind of
monotony and mediocrity
and just kind
of like self-loathing, right?
Yeah. 'cause a lot of it has to do with ourselves, like how
It's, it's a lot of it's rooted in money.
Yeah. It seems, you know,
and it's like, I don't understand how there can be,
you know, why is it that we all have
to work a minimum of like 40 hours?
And then there are people who don't have a job?
Like, how come everybody can't work
and work like two, three days a week,
but everybody has a job, right?
It's, if we all chipped in a little, we wouldn't all,
you know, the individual wouldn't
have to work so much, you know?
And it's like, everybody should have a job
and everybody should be able to do what they want, you know,
and trying to find your place, you know?
And it's like, I feel like that's
where like high school guidance counselors really fail
us, you know?
'cause it's like so many kids get into college
and then switch their majors and stuff,
and it's like, man, what did we just spend 13
years of school doing?
You know? It's like we all
have strengths, we all have weaknesses.
And, and I feel like we know those as you.
Some people are just good at math.
You know, some people just love history.
And it's like, do we have to go through all of it
before we even get outta high school?
And then, then we find ourselves like, this is ridiculous.
You know? It is like, it's, I feel, go ahead.
It's rough. But it, this, this goes back to what you said,
uh, at the beginning of this conversation, the idea
of homeless people came up,
and I don't know if you guys know,
but about 80% of homeless people choose to be homeless.
Like, even if you offered them a home, they'd be like, nah,
I don't, or, or if you said, Hey,
here's a job and here's an apartment.
They say, nah, nah, I'm good.
So my point is, in this
world, people choose
Right To be homeless.
People choose to waste their 13 years of education.
People choose all these things.
And you and I, we, we can't, it that's out of our control.
We d they're on their own journey,
and maybe they're going straight a spiral straight down.
There's nothing we can do.
Substances right there.
I feel like a lot of those people
that you're talking about are, are,
they have a substance dependability.
And it's like, if, if you talk, if you said, okay,
well you gotta work two days a week,
but then you can on your, your, your other five days,
you can have shelter and warmth and food and,
and as much alcohol as you, you know,
healthfully can consume, then would they say yes?
Would they work the two, three days?
Then maybe, you know, maybe a lot of 'em wouldn't.
I don't know. I don't know. But
Well, one way I look at it, one way I look at it too, to,
to go with both those analogies is, um,
how we were taught, because we're going back to school now
because we brought it up a couple minutes ago.
The schooling, the education system, right?
So now I remember back in the day, I used
to have like a Nintendo, super Nintendo,
and I had all these cartridges of games, right?
And here's the one cartridge. Super Mario, put that in.
Now think of that game cartridge.
It's like, that's grade one.
And then you have a, a another set of things
that you're taught to how to be in this year.
That's game two.
Now you have all these games,
you can switch different games, different cartridges, right?
And then we can expound
or expand on that, on how to make that that game more, um,
enjoyable, right?
But how, how, how can we
go beyond those choices?
Because those were choices that were given to us
as templates, as cartridges to
play particular games that this particular reality
is constructive for by who?
Whomever, whoever the,
the social engineers are or whatever, right?
That's their particular game set.
But I like to go to,
before I got that game canceled,
before I got that Super Nintendo, what was that?
What is that? That's like the, the prime program.
These other programs are like people pretending
to be the creators making
programs that mimic the prime program,
the prime game, right?
Mm-Hmm. So the prime game is basically
what I kind of started out with is that we are
always using our full potential,
but it, it's in, uh, um, what's that word?
Uh, uh, what's the word? The multicolored spectrum.
It's like in a spectrum, right?
Of where that, that full power
of the whole universe is being directed to.
And now that we believe we're like these lowly beings, boom,
it's gonna, it's gonna go right here.
Or it's that false sense of being
the most awesome being is all the way over here,
which these people, the, the false creators think.
And then we're playing along with whatever's going bet in
between the social construct of that particular spectrum
that they want us to, uh, and that we agree consciously
or subconsciously to engage with.
Yeah. I, I would like to say that the, it's fascinating
how many people will absolutely
just go fanatical about fictional universes like sci-fi,
and like, uh, Marvel universes where, where all the magic
of the universe is possible, but only in the movie.
This is not, this is clearly a movie
and it's clearly fictional.
And, but, but I'm, I'm hopeful this is the reason
that I kind of went full speed on trying to help people
with UFO disclosure is
because I'm hopeful that, that a lot of what's going on
with the programming, brainwashing control of education,
control of media is relating to decreasing people's appetite
for seeking out the mystical,
the mysterious in this reality.
And just being, having, having that in a little box that we,
that we could be entertained by
and say, that's not our reality.
But that's, that's where I wanna be,
because I could have those experiences of the mystical.
And so I feel like what, what I would like to see is
as we break down the walls around the fact
that there's this massively amazing, mysterious universe
with all kinds of beings and all kinds of inter dimensions
and, you know, magical potentials for our technology
and for our, you know,
potential mis metaphysical development.
Once we have those, those windows open by,
by people now having a, um, an opportunity
to at least say, okay, maybe that's real.
Maybe there's something more going on that,
that mystical awakening that what I think can propel people
to wanna play other games
that they didn't know were out there. So I'm very hopeful.
That's, that's why I think people are attracted to it, is
because their inner self, their subconscious self, their,
their spiritual self recognizes, Hey, this feels like home.
You know, this feels like truth,
even though I know it's not true.
Something here is, is vibrating in a way
that something in me says, Hey, this fits,
this puzzle, piece fits.
You know? And that, that's where we get excited, you know?
And it's like, you know, like Star Trek, you know, the idea
that we can go and explore the universe.
Like we know the universe is out there.
We, we know that it's a giant mystery
and we know that there's an infinite amount of planets
and star systems and stuff.
It's like, that is real. You know?
So I always felt like
what our imagination is almost limiting, you know?
And that we can't even imagine what is out there, you know,
so, so go crazy, have fun, you know?
'cause you're probably, you know, it's probably all real.
There's probably life on all planets.
You know, there's probably life on the sun.
You know, just 'cause we're carbon based doesn't mean
that all life out there is gonna be carbon based.
You know? And it's like, you start thinking like that.
It really does open up those doors to magic
and all these other things.
But you know, what is magic, right? What is science?
You know, it's just our human brain trying to understand
the creation of whatever this all is.
You know, it's like it's, we,
we live in this giant universe.
Every rock you flip over, right?
And you look underneath that rock,
there's a whole world going on under that rock that, that,
uh, 10 seconds ago you weren't even aware was even going on
with all kinds of its own drama.
And, you know, the whole ant's colony and, and worms
and everything else, all interacting with each other.
And 10 seconds ago you didn't even know
it existed, you know?
But every rock has that on, on this plan, you know?
So I really, you know, that's, I think is, it's all real,
you know, maybe not literally all real, like, you know,
like Harry Potter with wands and stuff,
but I, I do think magic and science and,
and all that, there's no limit, you know?
So that's exciting. Of course. Great.
Well, one thing that, that I, uh, I look at too is
because of, uh, uh, for example, uh,
earlier I was talking about like the, the two,
the two side light and dark,
and we gotta be like valid type of thing,
but on a similar scale with say, um,
magic and,
and what we would call miracles, like,
like a magic.
For me, when I look at magic, I, I know two ways to levitate
and it looks really good.
Like, I can show people
and they're like, you're literally
levitating off of the ground.
That's crazy. But I'm using a gimmick.
I'm using, I have a little setup to work with it, right?
Like magic, there's always like,
like a gimmick involved with it, right?
But, uh, on, in the way of miracles,
miracles are, um, uh,
an occurrence that happens without a gimmick, right?
Well, maybe without, without a tool.
Yeah. But maybe not, right?
Because if, if, if, if a whole community gets together
and starts praying for the sick person
and this person gets better, the gimmick might be
that the energy bodies of all these people are literally
changing the cellular structure of the sick person.
So the gimmick might be, you know,
might not be a gimmick at all.
You know, it might just be a techno
or a, something going on that we don't fully understand.
Like we don't see the whole picture, right? So,
Well, there, there's that in, there's that intentionality
because the, what we're using is our, in
that particular circumstances, we're using our, our spirit
or intention, our faith, like when I'm talking about like
with magic, is you, you literally have some type of tool,
like a physical tool that can do something
that looks incredible, right?
Like, um, and that's, that's how I look at, for example,
the, the social engineer controller type people, they,
they use their tools
to make things seem like a particular way, right?
And, and the, the one thing that I see is like, one
of their tools is always the tool of, of sickness
and fear and depravity
and like us against them, disunity, all that stuff.
They, they love it, right?
But, and,
and the, the, the media is a big, um, what's it called?
Like a, like a shoveling that that coal into the fire.
They're gi they're given that big time.
So every time, like you look around, you see a newspaper
where you hear a friend or somebody talking on the street
or watch the news is always like, ah, right.
But just imagine like even one week
you remove all of the news
or you replace it with all positive news.
Yeah. Right? And like, things that really happen,
which I'm sure like every single day there's amazing things
that happen that could, that are completely
newsworthy, right?
You change that, right?
And, and one week
everybody on a planet,
I'm telling you like the, the good,
you'll almost completely forget that covid even happened.
You'll be like, what was that again?
Like, all this negative stuff, these wars and whatever.
It's like, eh, like, it's almost like you forget all
that negative stuff, right?
So, 'cause I was thinking about this the other day when I
was at work that how, how,
what kind of event, because I hear people talking about
there's gonna be a cure for everything
and all that kind of stuff.
Like what, what could make that happen?
Because I'm sure if I go up to somebody
and said, okay, a bunch of these doctors said
that this will cure this,
and a bunch of people are, I don't trust it.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'll go for it.
You know, it'll be kind of messed, messed up
or whatever, like mixed messaging, right?
But I was thinking, how would it happen globally?
So the only way I can think of it that, that makes any type
of sense that you can cure everybody on mass
is if the whole world vibed up, there was
a good, um, like that week of whatever I'd,
I'd love to see just the week of that, right?
Yeah. It's like, can we try that? Can we just try that week?
Like I can get a good start on that already.
It's like free energy is real.
Everybody has access to it now.
'cause energy is basically everything on the planet,
like on our planet.
Like the controlling structure is energy.
Whoever controls the energy controls earth
on all different types of levels of energy.
But that would be a, a, a, a start.
Like how to get out of this drama
and to, into that coherence, right?
Right. And I also think all the negative stuff
is, is necessary.
Uh, I I look at it like, um,
like a collective detoxing event.
'cause when you go to, um, uh, like a, I don't know,
like a place to a rehab or whatever, right?
You gotta detox first and then you go to your counselors
and talk about what the real issues
are and this, this, and that.
But you gotta detox. Yeah.
You gotta go through a detoxification process
before you're well, and you're well enough to move on. That
Goes to like what Chris was saying about the people
who are homeless that choose to be homeless.
It's like, are they really in possession
of their own ability to choose at that point?
You know, can the, can we get 'em detoxed first
and then present them with the, the choice? You know, it's,
Well, some, some homeless people are completely
sober, right?
And they just wanna, they're living, they're,
they just don't wanna be part
of this particular system. Yeah,
I get that. I kind of don't blame it.
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, so it Go ahead. Go ahead. No,
I was gonna say real quick, some people would say
that living a human life is detoxing
From What? It's,
it's one big detoxing of all our samskara,
of all our pa, the see samskara,
you can accumulate Sams scars if you, if your ego gets big
and you're fearful, and the more desires you have
and the more desires you fulfill, you, you grow,
you gain somes scars,
and then you, then that plays itself out.
Meaning it's like, uh, an alcoholic,
let's just say someone drinks alcohol
and they develop a habit.
It, it goes for all habits.
You, you, the, there's momentum behind that habit.
Why is there momentum that's really samskara?
It's you, you have to go through the, the fruits of your,
of your decisions.
You can't get past it.
I mean, you, you, you can't drink a bottle of Jack Daniels
and not become intoxicated, right?
You, you, if you take that action, you have the results
of that action.
And so if, for instance, someone murders a bunch
of people in one life, they're probably in later lives,
they're probably gonna get murdered themselves a bunch
of times just to, to see the other side of that.
So what we, we, we, we get,
we create our own samskara,
and then we have to live out the fruits of those samskara.
And that's what human life is. Uh, some would say, well,
Well, some people, that's kinda how God works,
is God manages all that.
In other words, like, um, the innocent child that's murdered
is paying forward from a karma of a last life that
they were a murderer or something.
And like, God somehow sees all this.
And we as people just say, well, why?
If, why, if God's real, why did that child have
to suffer and all that?
'cause we don't see the full picture of, you know, the,
the, that's correct. That's what I always say.
Now, these, these, these kids with cancer
and stuff, that's one way to explain it is
that's their samskara, and they have to go through it.
And they somehow earned that in a previous life. Now,
I always said that, and everybody rejects that,
and they're like, that's so evil.
God wouldn't do that. It's like, God isn't, you know,
it's like nature doesn't, uh, the, the bear doesn't care
that that elk was living a gracious life.
He just rips it to pieces, you know?
And it's like, God is probably like nature, you know,
God's a mirror. It
just, God is nothing and everything.
And it just, we, it it's us.
It's my samskara that creates my outcomes.
And so it's the ultimate personal responsibility in
spirituality of acknowledging that I'm only, yeah. So,
So it's like a programming in other words,
and that God doesn't even need
to manage it. It's built that way.
Exactly. Okay.
You guys are like on an awesome kind of thread.
And, and one thing that I see is,
is the initial, usually why people get
addicted in general.
Not everybody, but in general, the, the most of, I used
to work in an addictive recovery center.
The biggest reason is trauma.
Yes. There's a traumatic event
that happened early on in their lives,
or like a, a family member or something.
Something happened with those that they loved. Right?
Now, you brought up the mirror.
God is the mirror, right? Okay.
So just try to picture this.
Now you're standing in front of a mirror, right?
You're standing in front of me,
you see your whole body in front of the mirror, right?
And everywhere you kind of move, like,
doesn't matter from which direction,
you still see the things that are behind you,
like moving in cons, like the, the whole environ,
your environment is still mirrored in the mirror.
Now, let's just, for, for argument's sake, just say,
the mirror just is
God, right?
That's the beginning of everything.
There's only that one mirror, and that's it, right?
And then he decides to take, take a rock,
smash that mirror, smash it.
Right now the mirror
is smashed.
And then you see the pieces on the ground.
You can literally do this in real life.
You can pick up that shattered piece of the mirror
and put it at a particular distance,
and you could still see your whole body in
that mirror, right?
And each broken piece of that mirror
is a unique broken piece of the mirror.
So what I'm saying is, if we can look at
that whole thing with God is broken pieces of the mirror is
where each, that unique broken piece
of a mirror, but yet the whole body
can still be seen in that broken piece of the mirror.
And perhaps the initial trauma
was the breaking of the glass.
And that's how we were trying to, um,
uh, perhaps, uh, recover from that trauma.
Yeah. So that, that, that's interesting.
You said, it brings me to the idea I've always had was
that from the moment you're born to the moment you're born
and incarnated in this life is a picture of that
as like a dot on a piece of paper.
And from that dot starts your life, right?
So you have that moment,
and then from that moment of being born, whatever happens
to you then is gonna shape the way the rest
of your life ends up going.
You know? But like the traumas you experience at a young age
kind of start to shape who you become.
You can never escape those angles
unless you do try to purposely, like you say, like smash
that or, or heal that in some way.
It's like, that's how it's like as you get older,
it's like you can take more trauma
and it doesn't really change who you are.
But like, when you're little
and you experience a trauma like that, it really
shakes your yourself, shakes you to it, you know,
changes your whole projection.
You know, that's why I said it's like those,
those beginning moments of your childhood are so important.
They really do shape who you've end up becoming. You know?
And I think there are forces that even that know this,
and, you know, they, there are societies where they will,
you know, subject a fetus to electrical impulses in order
to traumatize the fetus, you know,
and try to shatter the, the spirit of the person
before they're even born.
And then when they're born, they start to traumatize them
and compartmentalize them into like different shattered,
different p you know?
And then you develop multiple
personalities and all these other things. And like,
But there's still alters.
There still could be all kinds of, uh, you know,
past life reasons that a person would choose that lifetime.
And also even astrology, I've, I'm always shocked
by when you, you know, read somebody's birth chart
and you see so many of the facets of their personality
that you would think are based on their trauma.
It's, it's all written in the, the relationships
between the different planets.
It's all like a fractal mirror. Yeah, totally. A mirror.
And it's like, it's just
different versions of it. There is something
Yeah, totally. Well, but
this is the thing now, like, now if we even go
before the
mirror, what is that?
And I would, I would perhaps say that that's no
thing, not a thing, right?
So, 'cause a lot of people are like, they, they give god
like a, perhaps like this, their own interpretation of
what God is, like a, a gender,
or like we say God is a he
or other people say she
or is like a trans or whatever, right?
So it's like all these different like, um, uh, uh,
own interpretations.
But in, for, for example, in my religion
and, uh, other Christian religions too also say this too, is
that God is beginningless
and no beginning beginningless, right?
So like when, when, for example, atheists, when
when they say God doesn't exist, I'm like, yeah,
you're completely right.
Because if God existed, then that must have mean,
that must mean God had a beginning
was created, right? So, but
Doesn't it say that God is the beginning
and the end alpha endo is all things, right?
Yes. And mean the way I look, the way I can observe it,
and the only, the only way I know how
to observe it is right here
and right now, right?
Because I ask this question to the people, uh, you know,
like, can you prove, can you prove tomorrow exists?
Can you prove it? Prove to me tomorrow exists.
I get, uh, people are like, they,
they have no idea, right? Put
The carrot on the stick, tomorrow's it never comes, right?
But, you know, some people will say, well, it comes
as today, but I'm like, but we're in now.
How can, what's going on here? Right?
So the entry point to, I believe,
where I feel very strongly, the entry point to all knowledge
is right here, right now.
Mm-Hmm. To, to all of it.
So, and,
and there's this god,
God's peace, or whatever you wanna call it, is the know
thingness, right?
And we are, um, in it,
whatever, calling it an it is still not even correct, right?
But now when I look at the mirror,
I, I, I look at that as perhaps the first creation.
And that could be considered, um, the creator,
which some people would call God was the one who, who
to broke the mirror into trillions of pieces.
And that's who we are. Right?
Perhaps that's just an idea, you know?
No, I think you're right. Go ahead.
Oh, just one quick thing on the mirror, when in I,
I like your entire analogy,
and I really like this discussion,
and when you first mentioned throwing a rock at the mirror,
what I, uh, envisioned,
or what I think would really happen is
that the rock would just, even though it's a mirror,
and we think on, you know, on earth,
a rock would smash a mirror.
I think if you throw a rock at the mirror of God,
the rock's gonna come directly back at you and hit you and,
and, and damage you.
So if you try to damage something outside yourself,
you're the one who gets damaged.
That's kind of likes,
I think what is even in,
even in each individual fractured piece of the mirror,
and you hold it up like he was saying,
you're still gonna see you
and everything around you is all
that's still gonna be there in every little piece.
It's like you can't escape that. You know?
It's like, I think you're right. Yeah. It's like no matter.
And, and at the same time though, like,
even though all those pieces are are, are broken,
the first creation, you can consider perhaps the illusion
or the what some people would say were in a simulation
or whatever, right?
And that, that trauma was actually,
it's that trauma is a false
quote unquote sense of reality.
And we're trying to, um, uh,
resolve that trauma.
Mm-hmm. You know, in, in
that respect, that how can you,
Someone said in the chat, they said
that our astrological traits are necessary.
We come here with that pre-programmed into us
because it's like our way of learning through the mistakes
or through our lessons that we're destined
to feel or experience.
It's like a karmic thing.
And I think it's interesting that you bring that up
because what is reality?
What is this, this free?
What is this allude like, yes, we have free will,
but don't we have free will, kind
of like within the boundaries of this reality, right?
So it's like we have free will in a box, right?
It's like we can't just fly off this planet if we choose to,
or maybe we can, I don't know.
But I, I think it's interesting when you look at
what the Bible even says about the creation when
before, when there was nothing or, or whatever,
and God created the heaven
and the earth with his voice, with the God's word.
And it's like, when we think about it, well,
what is a word, right?
A word is a sound and a sound is a frequency.
So what do we know about sound
and frequency is that there's a musical scale
where we can show the, the, the realm of
where sound exists, right?
It's do dore me, Faso, LATI, and then it starts over.
Do dore Me la and there's seven notes in a musical scale.
And then there are different octaves, right?
But it's the seven notes that compose of a musical scale.
So if God created all this with sound
and said, let there be light, well,
what is light when you break down a spectrum of light?
If you think about like the, the,
the Pink Floyd album cover, right?
The, the, the spectrum of light is the rainbow.
And when you look at the rainbow, we have the same thing,
seven colors, right?
Red, orange, yellow, green, indigo, violet, uh, blue.
So there's a seven again. But we know that there's more.
Our perceivable reality is this within a seven.
But we know there are more sounds
and octaves like dog whistles, for example.
We can't perceive them, but dogs sure can,
dogs can see things we,
cats can see things that we can't see.
But our physical body ourselves right now are having this
experience within this box of the seven layer,
the seven seals, you know, the seven, uh, angels, you know,
it's like this number seven, we can't escape it.
But there's more, just like in the, the spectrum of light,
we know there are more than the seven colors, right?
There's ultraviolet, infrared, and,
and who knows how far that goes.
But our reality for this experience for right now seems
to be contained within this, this small frequency of the,
the seven, you know, this little box,
But don't forget, in between notes,
they're called semitone.
And you can, you can go into a semitone
and in between that you can go to little tones, semi, semi,
semi semis, semi practice, uh, pre presumably, presumably
to infinity, just within that little box.
So infinity is always accessible somehow
our visual spectrum, yes, it's here.
The next we have technology that can view infrared,
and then there's more after, obviously, right?
But it's like to like,
but the infinities are like, they're, they're accessible
in and everywhere
And this technology.
Yeah. One technology that we can use
to experience those infinities are things like ayahuasca
or, uh, psychedelic, you know, um, you know, like psilocybin
or LSD or something.
You know, it, it bends the note, it bends
that note a little bit to where we can see between
the fabric of this reality, you know?
And I think if we learn to use that technology
of these substances or whatever, music even, right?
I mean, when you hear a, a song for example,
you're in a bad mood, you're in a sad mood
and you hear a certain song, man instantly boom.
You, you get your whole resonance shakes, you're out of it.
You know what I mean? It's like that's the technology in
and of itself, the music, you know, love
or compassion, you know, alcohol is
to a certain degree a technology, you know?
And that's why we can use these things to just bend
shift reality slightly, like you said, between the notes.
And then you can see into infinity, just briefly.
Yeah. Yeah. I would like to, um,
say this has been amazing chat.
And it's like we can go into the Yeah.
Cosmology discussions endlessly too.
And I hope to do this again soon.
And right now I would like to open it up more to the people
who are, um, been hanging around in the chat
and we can let them join us.
Um, I'm thinking, I'm gonna end the recording first though.
Um, any closing thoughts before we stop the recording?
It's too short. I know it's too short,
but it's almost 90 minutes now. Good to
Hear from Chris more.
Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate all your insights.
You, you can tell now why I invited each of you to,
to do this because it's like you each have a slightly
different angle on everything.
That's very helpful to see all, all as one.
And we get to be fractals
of each other in different reflections of the same creator.
So I love it.
Alright, Thank you guys for joining.
Thank you guys for, for listening.