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Hello and welcome to L of One Deep Dives.
This is a very interesting episode we hope to put together
for you, where we're gonna dive into a culmination of more
of the implications of the teachings of the set.
First seven mind archetypes.
If we can get to seven, I'm,
I'm okay with just doing the first four.
I feel like we have so much to get into with what could be
implied by raw in terms of how you would clothe yourselves
with these archetypes, how you would choose
to call on archetypes.
And it just is a quick recap for people.
Raw basically recommends the study
of these major arcana true archetypes
and ba basically three phases.
The first one would be to study each individual archetype on
its own, and understanding each, each of those
gestalts or those, those symbols in, in a way
that can sink deeper in your consciousness so
that each archetype as well appreciated.
And that's what we've been doing for the
many, many, many episodes.
Now, we've gone into the each archetype individually,
and then they say the second step would be
to look at these in pairs and, or,
or in the, in the columns.
Or you could say that the triads of mind, body,
spirit archetypes of each type.
So for example, uh, exploring mind, body, spirit matrices.
And we may touch on that kind of exploration a bit today,
but we did that a bit over the last several months also.
Um, and we're gonna continue to dive in that
as we move into the mind arch
or the body archetypes more specifically,
we'll start comparing those to the mind
archetypes a little bit as we do that.
But the, the final path, which is probably, uh,
an endless journey that we're gonna begin
to cover today is in
what situations in life would you choose
to apply each individual archetype of the mind
and not just have a jumbled appreciation
or vague idea of these things,
but see in specific situations,
when is the con contemplation of
that archetype most beneficial to take on that identity
or release that identity of specificness
or separation that you see yourself within?
And take on more of a personality attribute of the,
the deeper mind, which is the mind
that we're all sharing even across all
the planets in the galaxy.
The logos we're all sharing this, uh,
this original archetypal mind that was set up
by the blueprint as like a blueprint for, for the evolution
of consciousness in our, in our, in our galaxy.
So we're gonna start exploring, um, in a similar fashion to
what was, uh, initially asked by raw.
This is, this is what I'm interested, we can get into a lot
of aspects of the archetypes,
but I'm excited to get started.
Uh, and I'll share my screen here
and we can just as a brief recap, cover what was
ki kind of the ins inspirational, uh, quote for this,
for this kind of exploration.
When, when Don asked, how is an, how is a knowledge
of the facets of the archetypical mind used
by the individual to accelerate his evolution?
And so Rah responded simply by talking about how one
of the archetypes, as an example, would be used.
But we wanna look at each
and every archetype to see how each
and every archetype could be used potentially
to accelerate our evolution.
And so, rah answered with the first archetype, the matrix
of the mind, also called the magician,
also called consciousness.
They said, we shall offer an example based upon this first
explored archetype or concept complex.
The conscious mind of the adapt may be full to bursting
of the most obstru
and unmanageable of ideas, so
that further ideation becomes impossible.
And work in Blu-ray
or indigo is blocked through overactivation.
So this is the condition that raw is describing,
although these are, um, very big concepts.
This is the general condition in which you most would, may,
may most fruitfully apply an appreciation
of this archetypal aspect of our, of our nature, which is,
uh, the magician, which is pure consciousness.
And Ross said it is then when the situation occurs,
it is then that the adept would call upon the new mind
untouched in virgin and dwell within the archetype
of the new and unblemished mind without bias,
without polarity full of the magic of the logos.
So we've discussed this quote several times, um,
but we, we could do it again right now and,
and then dive in a little bit into the,
the way in which this relates to the potentiator of mind.
And we already have an interesting clue, very strong clue.
When we look at the, the images, which I'll have
to pull up here, but the images, uh,
for the magician is clearly of the male.
And then the, the potentiator, the one that ra uh,
ra asks us to pair with in consideration is, is the female,
the potentiator of mind, unconscious?
And uh, uh, Andrew,
you had brought up an interesting point about the,
the way in which we might apply the potentiator of mind
is in a receptive state and,
and seeking to see what the present moment has for us
and the, and the deepest appreciation of being totally open
to what that reception might look like.
Yeah. I realize
It was a stab, but
what I really love about this particular conversation
and why I want us to ask as many dumb questions as we can
and look at it from all angles, is that any teaching
that is not experiential in nature, I think is pointless.
And I think anyone who's pursuing this as we are,
and anyone who would be watching any of these
or would like to know how we go about unpacking any of this,
ultimately is looking to have a different
experience themselves.
This is not simply an academic pursuit.
And so until we start mapping these through to
real life experiences, it still, you know,
has this academic nature.
And I think that there's a session
that's gonna touch a little bit on that, uh, today as well.
And another thing that I would like to suggest that we do
that, the lens that I think we've been trying to come up
with the, um, the
examples is looking at the archetype first
and then saying, okay, where might this go?
And I'd say that the one that you just brought up, Mike,
is a good example of, of that actually, what I would say is,
no, that's a good example
of I found myself in a particular scenario or situation
and then wondered what is this right now?
Because I moved into this, this place
that was a little bit different and super easy
and very just not quite what I had expected
to be in, in that, in that moment.
And so I guess what I'm saying is we can either approach it
through the lens of the archetype
and try to extrapolate a situation.
And while I think that's useful, I think also coming up
with, um, examples that we have in everyday life
because every one of the archetypes of
that play in every example.
So if we as students can bring up, um, you know,
um, times where we've had experiences, different modes of,
of consciousness, or even thoughts that occurred
to us in one way or the other, or maybe moved into an
allowance or something like that.
It seems to me if we're trying to change our experience,
I mean, I could be wrong, but I think most students are
gonna approach this with either some interest in modifying
their relationship with Catalyst, um, and
or also making contact with intelligent infinity.
And I don't know how many other ways that you'd really want
to look at this sort
of tradition from a practical standpoint.
Uh, but to me those seem to be the, the,
the targets in mind.
And I think any example, um,
should be able to support those.
Absolutely. Um,
we could pull up when the ra when RA originally mentioned,
um, the quote about the,
okay, they said, uh, when, when, uh,
Don had asked in Ross's opinion,
is there any present day value for the reuse of the tarot
as an aid in the evolutionary process?
And Ross said, we shall repeat information.
It's appropriate to study one form of constructed
and organized distortion
of the archetypical mind in depth in order to,
to arrive at the position of be being able to become
and to experience archetypes at will.
So that's the goal, to arrive at the position of being able
to become and to experience archetypes at will,
which will certainly apply in any experience in life.
Uh, and they said that you have three basic choices.
They said astrology, uh, the major arcana, which is
what we're delving into, and then the tree of life
with a tens Roth and 22 relationships.
And they said it is well to investigate each discipline, not
as the diante, but is one who seeks the touchstone, one
who wishes to feel the pull of the magnet.
One of these studies will be more attractive to the seeker.
Let the seeker then investigate the archetypical mind using
basically one of the three disciplines
after a period of study.
The discipline mastered sufficiently.
The seeker may then contemplate the more important step
that is moving beyond the written in order
to express in a unique fashion.
It's understanding, if you may, again pardon the noun
of the archetypical mind.
So yeah, I think that's very much the being part
of all this, and that's what I want to,
and you have a session in here that's perfect about the left
and the right, um, you know, hemispheres of the, the brain,
but there's moving into a comprehension of this
where it is more
and more a part of our awareness such
that our experience fundamentally changes.
And, and to me, the amount of and type of catalyst
and the degree, um, to which it's encountered, all of
that has changed immensely as
this awareness has been increasing over time.
Absolutely. Yeah. And, and it's
Touches on there too that it's like it's,
you can use the archetypes to vivify the experience there.
So to create a even greater experience for all of us
and the creator of what we're going through.
And on top of that, then being able to possibly be
of better service if you are able to embody these archetypes
and either help others that way
or show them maybe some lessons from that point.
So I think there's a number of, uh,
I guess abilities you have to offer service even
through this archetypal mind
and understanding it deeper, let alone the creator as well.
And probably at different archetypes.
That's another thing I wanted to point out in
that first line that you read there, um,
experience archetypes at Will, and we are looking at 22,
and we'd like to understand all 22.
And I'm gonna go not super far out on a limb
and probably suggest that the ones
that are gonna be most advantageous, uh,
vis-a-vis are encountered with catalyst and
or our ability to connect
with intelligent infinity are probably, you know,
set in certain areas around here.
And there are certain aspects of this
that spending a lot more time in
is gonna be a lot more fruitful
around those than perhaps all of them.
And of course, they're always at play all the time.
I'm just wondering,
and again, the session that you're gonna bring up,
I think is gonna be really helpful in trying
to understand the difference between intellectual, uh,
comprehension and experiential comprehension,
Right?
Yeah, there's definitely,
and I, I also feel that there's, um,
I should probably pull up the, the reference to the, the,
the way they described it as, as, as Diddy,
they, they said, uh, you've, you've said, you've stated that
raw used the tarot back when they were, uh, in,
in third density to develop a magical personality.
Uh, Don asked, was this done by the system of learning
to become in mind the essence of each archetype,
and in this way develop the magical personality?
And Ross said, uh, Ross said, this is incorrect.
The clothing oneself within the archetype is an advanced
practice of the adapt, which has long studied
this archetypical system.
The concept complexes, which together are intended
to represent the architecture of a significant
and rich portion of the mind are intended to be studied
as individual concept complexes, which is
what we originally were doing, make matrix potentiator,
et cetera, and view mind, body, spirit connections,
and then in pairs
with some con concentration upon the polarity of a male
and the female, which is what we'll do today.
And if these are studied, there comes the moment when the
deep ide and joyful diddies
of the deep mind can successfully be brought forward
to intensify, articulate,
and heighten some aspect of the magical personality.
And Soren refers to poems or songs of lamentation,
and diddies refers to short and simple songs.
So interesting that they, they, they, they basically are,
are implying that the deep, the deep mind has more to do
with music than it does with the, the specific,
you know, thoughts that jumble up our mind.
And, and it's almost as though there are these threads
of this universal song that we're sharing.
And I think that everyone has this awareness within them
that there are these deeper aspects of yourself
that you feel that pull, that, that that magnetic pull
to something deep within you that, that is speaking
of great joy or great sorrow in some meaningful way
that is hard to put words on.
But I think these archetypes are an attempt to put words
and concepts and images on some of these deepest aspects
of ourself, which we all feel are present when we go into
those deeper states of, of meditation or, or,
or appreciation of, of where our evolution seems
to be pointing us to, to, to go in our, in our minds
to appreciate the deeper aspect of our being.
I hadn't noted before on this, the footnote of the poems
or songs of lamentation.
I think what you said there, Mike, is, is
perfectly applicable
because what you're talking about are primordial
vibratory states that transcend
and exist not only beyond language,
but space and time itself.
And therein lies that deepen that deep limitation,
that original sin
or that thought system based on the idea
of separation, whatever you want to call it.
That's what it is, that's what it's embedded as close
to the core of our consciousness as we can imagine,
because we've been living such an experience of it.
Right. Yeah, I think the, uh, I was,
I was writing it down as you were saying
that pretty much frequencies, you know, I always look at EE,
everything is a frequency,
and I think that all of the parables
of things talk about sound.
And, you know, first there was the word, you know, or,
or they start with light,
which people don't really associate with frequency,
even though it is.
And then when they get to the sound portion and the song
and the, and all of that, it, it, it's easier for people to
visualize that as frequency.
But then I start to think of it as, when you go back
to the root, there's a frequency that is the root,
and then there is the experience of duality.
And then the experience of duality is a frequency in
and of itself that lays on top of the original frequency.
And then the experience of, you know, all the way out
to the, the four experiences
that we all individually have get layered on.
And it just becomes this giant frequency of experience.
And that when you're going to the,
to the blank unconscious mind, it's like you're,
you're not sitting up here on the frequency of Nick Carti.
You're going all the way down to that frequency
and you're, you're resonating yourself with that frequency.
And then that will, will sympathetically induce like a,
a balancing throughout the entire layer.
There's a session we're gonna talk about in the catalyst
that I think, um, also explains in a way
that I didn't get the first couple times that we
discussed it, how the, the empress is this, um, culmination,
I suppose, of the matrix and the potentiator.
So it talks about the female aspect
and of course the, the en noble nature.
And it's like they had just described the, the, the matrix,
you know, being a noble into the potentiator.
And then the empress is the sort of culmination of those,
those two things in conjunction
what happens when they come together.
And there's also, they say
that the matrix is the thing from which all comes.
And I was like, oh man, I was hope, you know,
I've been thinking in a way that this is a potentiator.
And then I think about the notion of the vortex
or a question, and it's like completely implicit in every
single question is the answer.
It's like literally by language
and by frequency architected to create just such
and such a hole into which just such
and such an answer may fit perfectly.
And of course, the lighter, the answer
that we come across will fit in however it comes across.
But it is kind of interesting that the question, um,
it has the answer built into it.
And in that regard, the matrix is
where this answer is coming from,
because it's the thing
that did the dipping into the potentiator,
Right?
And they also liken the, the conscious mind, the,
to the consciousness, the matrix to being the will.
And I guess to resonate most deeply with the will, you have
to take away all other divided wills.
And this is also why I felt like an a, a possibly a helpful
guide to comprehending the direction we're headed
with studying these archetypes is to get to the point
that they call being ready to proceed
with the great work in session six, when they say, um,
we have considered the mind as a tree,
the mind controls the body with the mind, single pointed,
balanced and aware, the body comfortable,
and whatever biases and distortions make it appropriately
balanced for that instrument, the instrument is then ready
to proceed with the great work.
So I think this is also a hint here when they say the mind
has to be single, pointed, balanced, and aware.
And I think within those three concepts, we,
we have a whole lot of appreciation of what it takes
to call upon the archetypal, um, mind.
And in any of the, the seven, um,
and I, I've, I've con considered, you know,
when they say come back to the new mind, um,
as we were just reading, I, I'm pretty sure that
that means come back to a single pointed mind.
And I'm not sure if, uh, it implies balance
as well, because you all the things
that could be imbalanced have to be let go of,
and they say without polarity also.
So that implies that there's no, uh, there's nothing there
that needs to be balanced with the alternate polarity.
Um, well, of course polarity can mean different things,
I think in this context where you have different
imbalance energies of the mind.
There's another session that you have on the list today
that does say that balance is specifically achieved
between the matrix and potentiator.
And so that also makes sense,
but I think you do need to have both of those one thing.
So Oh yeah, a possibility
and one sort of completely unbiased will.
Oh, and that certainly calls upon the tree of life
of the Kabbalah, where you have the entire column on the
left hand, the entire column on the right hand being the
masculine and feminine that need to come into the balance
for the center pillar work,
which could symbolize the chakra activation in some way too.
A hundred percent.
I think what you're saying makes sense there.
'cause then once you're balanced in that new state with
that open receptive area,
that awareness is then is allowing the potentiator to come
through and actually receive those intuitive hits
or those ideas that maybe you weren't getting before,
but you're, you're open and receptive to it at that point
with this new clear mind.
Well, there's also the what in my experience,
and this is the thing that I really wanted to share
with you guys, because it's not just sort of academic,
it's really in application that I've much more so lately,
I mean at a deeper level, found myself in this mode
where I can just move into allowance.
I guess that's the very best way to put it.
But to where there's, there's almost nothing,
there's nothing in those spaces.
I can come into my awareness, it doesn't matter
what I'm doing or what I'm watching
or whatever, anything can sort of interrupt it.
And I'm completely in flow with whatever's present.
And I don't know what archetype that is,
but I can tell you that that mode of being is so brick
and peaceful and so comfortable
because there's just nothing that's even coming up to shake
or there's no resistance.
And I think that that was another thing
that was really present here, is that catalyst is anything
that comes up that we resist in some way or another because,
and here's why I pause it, this,
and I always go back to the sort of objective experience of,
you know, two people can get cut off in traffic, et cetera.
I have two different experiences of it.
And I would say that this exemplifies that beautifully
because you can certainly imagine, you can envision,
you can align to a state of being
where nothing can shake your piece.
And gosh, that has to exist here in our conversation
of utilizing the archetypes.
Because if that's not a core part of, of this teaching
and the purpose of it, then
I think we would be missing the mark.
Yeah, I, I definitely struggled a bit with considering,
you know, what, what would be the time in which we
certainly need to apply appreciation of the catalyst of mind
because this is an unconscious thing.
Um, and they said Catalyst is unconscious
and does not work with intelligence in session 46.
Um, oh my gosh, I, I guess we could dive into that
because it, uh,
it doesn't matter to hop around a little bit here.
Wait, go back to the, the 6.1 real quick.
6.1, the one all the way
to your tab, all the way to the left.
Okay. Yep, yep. That, that right there, for those
that are speak in, in Ayurvedic language,
that right there is the whole point of yoga of the, of the,
um, the asanas or the movements.
And the whole point of the movements is to get the,
be the body ready to sit comfortably, quietly,
for extended periods of time.
And ultimately the goal is to sit there single mind,
single pointed, balanced
with your body in a comfortable place to achieve samati.
And that's, that's what some of the stories
of great masters sitting for, you know, decades
and, and not aging because they sat in complete stillness.
I think there's an element to allowing all things,
this is an alignment to the law of one, literally,
if you are resistant to anything, then
that thing is necessarily outside of the one
that we're working diligently to ensure
is one in our awareness.
And so anything that we resist represents some sort
of resistance truthfully to the law of one,
which supersedes, you know, that is the forest
that we're here to look at as we spend
so much time, you know, here in the trees.
I think it's important to maybe realize that that's
what doing this does allow you to do, put you into a, a mode
where you can be meditative or contemplative and,
and allow for anything.
And that there's nothing that even does come into your
awareness that sort of, you're resistant to
because it's just, that's not the mode that you're in.
And anything that does pop up,
maybe yesterday would've been something different
or encountered different, but today in this mode is not,
and again, that's why I feel that there's some aspect of
the archetypical mind at play or this moving into allowance.
Perhaps it's a potentiator, I'm not entirely sure,
but it's almost disengaging, the, the catalyst experience,
significant mechanism that
that is the unconscious
triggering that you're talking about, Mike.
It sort of comes up unconsciously.
We find ourselves in reaction to it
and it's almost like disengaging the
unconscious reactive mechanism.
Yeah. And uh, I, it's also fair to to mention that,
um, there, this is a follow up session.
Six was a follow up to the bouncing exercises
of session five, where there's extra emphasis on, uh,
finding the, the opposite charges to each, each charge
that we see in ourselves and others.
And this is sort of the context of this discussion also,
is this, this bouncing work that that is being done
is very consciously looking,
and maybe this is the great way, is the ability
to very consciously see I
or put the spotlight on the
distortions, which are out of balance.
And see, i i identifying this experience
where there's something jumbled up
and it's not flowing into me with the purity
that I would appreciate and
seeing the creator and everything.
And therefore I'm gonna dive maybe deeper into the catalyst
until I am falling in love with that catalyst.
And I'm one with that catalyst
and that deeper aspect of myself, which is totally
beyond the body, totally beyond what I, what I
know of consciously.
But I still have that faith,
which is the catalyst of the spirit.
I have that faith to, to honor that catalyst of, of the bind
that's coming in or the catalyst of the body
that's coming in and whatever crazy way that that, that
that happens with this world, um, throwing our bodies
around it at different situations.
We have that faith that there's the balance in the in
or at least we have the potential for gratitude in
what is leading us into balance with each, every,
every catalyst nudging us back in the other direction.
Um, with balancing ourselves.
I feel like the great work that was described in
that previous session is exactly the opportunity to,
rather than dealing with it only unconsciously
as it comes up unpredictably, is to move into proactivity
with conscious evolution
and saying, what am I resistant to ask
that question in any moment?
What am I resisting?
And it could be anything from within the body and the self
and physicality or to proximity
to globally universally, doesn't matter.
What am I not allowing for?
And then moving into a, you know,
figuring out what's the antithesis of that.
Am I okay? Uh, clearly I'm okay with the ansis of that
because that's why I'm resistant to it.
And there's great progress to be made there. I think,
I think that the, the single pointed mind is, is you
pulling yourself out of, so in the,
in the getting caught off in traffic example,
getting caught off in traffic, you think you let it go,
but it's really still kind of gna at you and eating at you
and you're, you're thinking to yourself, you know,
I'm fine, I let that go.
And then you start to have that meditation
and you start to think on that
and you can realize that, oh, maybe I haven't let that go.
It's part of that balancing, you know, something's just,
something's just tweaking you off to one side or the other
and not to use the frequency thing. Oh yeah.
You can establish an identity in letting things go
and absolutely, Nick, you can do exactly what you just said.
You can identify as I am the one
who has everything roll off his back like water off a
duck's back and that's it.
And therefore when I encounter it, I claim it,
I go, boom, boom.
But we have identity in it
and we're actually not doing ourselves quite as much
of a service because that's
what we're investing in is a concept of self
and not an actualization or realization. Exactly.
And and that's what I'm saying,
the the actual sitting in the single bind of this,
that is the application of you proactively,
like you said, going for that.
Because you could say, I'm the person
that lets everything roll off my back becomes part
of your identity, but unconsciously you're not letting some
somethings roll off your back.
Of course, but 'cause you've told yourself that it does.
It's just sitting there null away at your back.
Yeah. 'cause as soon as I go, Nick,
what's bugging you today?
And you're the guy who's like, nothing's bugging me.
I'm all like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
'cause exactly. You identify as that.
And I just happen to go, gosh Nick, you seem down today
and you're like, now you're
threatened 'cause you've got identity.
Mm-Hmm. And being that guy who's just always at an even keel
and suddenly now I've questioned that
and a hundred percent
that's still investment in identity concept itself.
And, and that's how when you're u when you're using the
experiences as the catalyst, you need to go back
to the, uh, the empress as the unconscious, right.
To, to do, you have to, if you're sitting in
that weird vibration
and that's causing resistance in your being, then you have
to, you go back to that empress place,
put yourself in resonance,
and then it's easier to go back to the experience
and be like, oh, I really didn't let that go.
I'm still p****d and my ego's still p****d.
I am not someone that gets cut off. I'm an important person.
You know, like that's still floating around in your head
and you still, or hold onto
that when in reality you were like, ah, I let it go.
No, you, you still gotta,
you know, floating around in there.
Yeah. And another problem on your hands
because one, you didn't reconcile
or allow for that in your experience, which means
that you were in some amount of judgment of it
and then you created the identity
and created another opportunity for that
to be called into question.
And now you've got, you know,
twice the opportunity for growth.
Yeah. It's like looking at the two pictures
and something's different in this
picture than in that picture.
You know, you're going back to the original matrix of mine.
You're where you came from, your, your place
of everything is one.
I love everything. And now you're here at Nick Carti
and you're like, hold up the two pictures
and you're going, what's the, oh right now
that I can see the original picture
getting caught off in traffic, p****d me off in this picture
Perspective. Yeah.
Which is, I would say beyond separation
and all of this, all of this exploration
and seeking is an alignment to knowing the self as one,
which is why as our thoughts continue to gravitate toward
that, that's what gives us that perspective
and allows us to go, oh yeah,
I see now like I've been claiming I'm this totally chill
guy, when in reality it's like I've just been wanting,
you know, it's been very important to me
that I be seen that way.
And we start to unravel the investment in identity, which is
so, so important because the true self, the, the magician,
um, what we're looking for here seeks embodiment.
And to some degree I think we're, we're delving into, uh,
number five when we're talking about the,
the way in which the self is seen in relation
to these experiences.
Agreed. Where are choices made in separation?
Like where does that, that's there's an archetype
that the ego employs
or a, a series of them to me that are so fully
active all the time that this is
very present here though there's a session here
that says the significant is both actor
and acted upon, which is also pretty interesting.
Leading back to the question I had earlier in this series
about what is being transformed.
Is it one of these archetypes?
Is it multiple of these archetypes? Is it the mind itself?
You know, is it how these archetypes are employed in any one
given mind complex?
Probably. But I'm curious as to where, you know,
which archetypes are most heavily being utilized when we are
in relatively unconscious or negatively polarized behavior
or operating in thought processes that are based
and predicated on the notion of separation,
which is unconscious, obviously,
and precludes our awareness of, of the law of one.
As we've even started our thought process.
We've already, we're already off track.
Yeah, it's, well, we could,
we could unpack this as we go along. And
I feel like it's a significant,
because it's, it's primordial,
but it's also tertiary to the matrix and the potentiator.
And that's why I feel like the significant was sort of the,
the, the impetus behind egoic
and, you know, space, time, consciousness.
Yeah. It's, it's, it's fascinating that they,
they give such a simple definition of the,
of the significant initially as being simply
the mind, the body and the spirit.
The significant of mind is the mind
and the significant of body is the body.
Significant of spirit is the spirit.
That's my interpretation of what they said this was prevail
The unified concept.
That's, that's a confusing passage. Go ahead Nathan.
Oh, I didn't have anything there. Oh,
Alright. I'll
Come back to catalyst a little bit.
So yeah, the way we see ourselves
as I think totally the significant of the mind
and the capacity to break down, um, our, our perception
of self may, may require, uh, getting over
the, the attachments to the experiences
and the, the Im imperfect filtering process of the catalyst,
which is possibly in the symbol of the,
the bird being held in one hand
and being right in front of the eye, right.
Held up to the eye level. This seems to be a symbol
of the putting in focus.
This one, this one object, which is that which can allow one
to take flight symbolically
or be protected by these wings,
with these wings can have multiple interpretations,
I think, um,
Yeah, the left hand orientation, um,
toward the negative path.
And yet to your point, Mike, what is most present
in this character's reality and awareness?
What's most right in front of her is, um,
the greatest opportunity, right?
Is that how you would say this is
sort of juxtaposition right? Right,
Right. Pando
in it and yet herein lies the opportunity.
Yeah. And that, and
Also just focusing on one at a time though,
it's like you think of how much catalyst is constantly
assaulting your, you know, senses.
As Ross says in the mind here,
this is picking out one particularly
and taking that time, okay, I need to analyze this.
Why, why is this constantly bothering me moving into the
experience and and significant from there.
But it's kind of just that focused, I guess, attention on it
that we don't always seem to do.
Since you're bombarded with so much, you don't take
that time to stop and look at it.
What does this mean? How could I broken
This? That's a great point.
I wanna allege something else.
I wanna pause it that,
'cause I'm always asking about what transformation is.
Uh, I have to believe though that the,
the transformation process is, has to, has
to result in different catalysts.
So like as we talk about like repeating things over
and over again, the same lessons or et cetera.
'cause sort of from a frequency standpoint, that's, that's
what we keep calling to ourselves.
And, and so that has to be what transformation is, right?
Is the refinement or the allowance and acceptance of truth
and lessons that allow for, you know, these aspects of self
to be purified effectively.
Right? But I mean to to be clear whether it's the experience
that's transformed, which by the way may, you know,
also be a great candidate
because the catalyst is what the catalyst is.
Our experience of it changes markedly depending on obviously
our frame of mind.
Well, isn't it the, the significant
that becomes transformed then.
So it's like the significance, the one organizing the
experiences from there.
Um, I thought and then the actual
Transformation part, I'm what mean Sure.
Viewing it that way. Yeah.
But these two things are like
hopelessly intertwined, right?
The, the significant in the experience.
It's like you really can't have,
well you can have one without the other
because we had a significant before we had experience.
Maybe you wanna pull that session up, Mike?
Well, one thing I I could clarify is that we,
we are in a state of exploration of that which is
moved away from the blueprint.
And we're, we're, we're populating, uh, a a map of our life,
which is roughly guided by the original blueprint,
but we are never truly transforming the core essence of
the, the plan set out by the logos agreed.
This, this, we, we, we are refining what those lessons are
as we, as we step into, uh, a relationship with, uh,
the conscious mind, the matrix of mind, a relationship
with the unconscious mind, the potentiator,
which we can never fully,
unless until we merge ourselves with the logos on some,
you know, deep, deep experience.
We're, we're never fully back into that,
that full truist essence.
But the closer we get to that essence, the closer we get,
as they said, the closer we get to the matrix of the mind,
the, at the truest deepest new mind essence, we become more
and more full of the magic of the logos, which is the,
the heart or the, the love that,
that created the entire galaxy in the way
that it chose for exploration.
So we're continuously reforming all the potentials
of experiencing all these things and,
and transforming into the
something that hasn't yet been thought of.
I guess we're, we're continuously moving in that direction.
That's a really good point that you bring up Mike.
And to draw that parallel back to the tree of life
and the 22 paths, um, path work
and COism has a very similar quality
because where these archetypes live are between Sera
and so that's an infinite, um, dynamic tension, I suppose
between all pairs of them.
And so you can be anywhere along that continuum.
And so if we are to presume as Ross suggests
that the 22 roughly lineup to the 22, then I would um,
totally agree that at the core of each of the archetypes,
you have the blueprint and then you have sort
of our application of it, or the biases and the experiences
and the beliefs that we sort of staple
into wherever they live in these equations.
And then we apply these, you know, underlying functions
on top of our experience to hopefully try to clear as much
of that out as possible,
Right?
The, the transformation happens at every single level.
All of the ones that we can contemplate, all of the ones
that we can't contemplate.
It's, it's just, I mean, if everything is frequency, you,
it's implicit in that statement
that everything is constantly in motion.
And when they start talking about things like,
it's difficult for us to look into your space time
and they start talking about how difficult it is for them
to hone in on the exact thing that we're talking about,
it always makes me think of that.
We are talking about transformation, transformation
of our mind, our body, our spirit.
But in that is our, uh, social group,
our racial group, our solar system,
like all these things are constantly in flux moving
around the, the decisions
that you make in the day-to-day, moment to moment.
And then on top of all of that, I also think
that you're living this universe,
but if you decided
to get up at seven o'clock in the morning,
there's a universe where you decided to get up at 7 0 1
and that whole entire universe is playing out.
So the, the thing that's transforming, I think is all of
existence, all of potential existence is
happening in the universe.
And you're kind of just transforming yourself
and moving yourself along in those realities
because all realities are possible at all times and,
and possibly playing out at the same
time at their perspective.
That's why they say it's difficult for us
to look into your time because they're looking at all time.
Yeah, it's a whole probably prismatic,
holographic sort of weirdness.
Hey Mike, as we look at these two, I, if you could bring
that session up that has the left
and right aspects of the brain.
Um, okay, I wanna tie this back into the experiential
requirement of the teaching
because that is what the great way of the mind speaks to me.
That's what it says so clearly is
that at a certain point the reading is not done,
but it is suspended
and the analysis is, uh, complete
to the extent that it needs to be.
And that there is a mode of being that's allowed, that is,
is a new expression, um, without all the thought, frankly.
So yeah, let's look at this one.
Alright, I could read this.
Um, I, I especially was, was interested
in this one in the context of the relationship
between the the catalyst and the experience.
And, and because the catalyst is that which is
seemingly brought in intuitively, unconsciously,
and the, the experience is that which is being dealt
with on the conscious level.
So you have the opportunity for the rational
mind to inspect it.
So, so this, this came to mind,
and I'll read this, the, there was ask question about the,
the lobes of the brain, um,
and session 49, um,
you had mentioned the left and right ear tones.
I was wondering if the left and right brain were related
to polarities of service to surface,
to other service to self.
And Ross said the lobes
of your physical complex brain are alike in their use
of weak electrical energy.
The entity ruled by intuition
and impulse as equal to the entity governed
by rational analysis when polarity is considered.
So it's not that one
or these other is service to others is service to self.
The lobes may both be used for service
to self or service to others.
It may seem that the rational
or analytical mind may have more of a possibility
of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due
to the fact that in our understanding too much order is
by its essence negative.
However, the same ability to structure abstract concepts
and to analyze experiential data may be the key
to rapid positive polarization.
It may be said that those whose analytical capacities are
predominant have somewhat more to work with In polarizing
the function of intuition is to inform intelligence
and your illusion, the unbridled predominance
of intuition will tend
to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due
to the vagaries of intuitive perception.
As you may see, these two types of brain structure need
to be balanced in order that the net sum
of experiential catalyst will be polarization
and illumination for without the acceptance
by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty,
the creative aspects which aid in
illumination will be stifled.
So I, I think we could stop right there for this discussion.
As you, these two types of brain structure need
to be balanced so that the net sum
of experiential catalyst
will be polarization and illumination.
So the, they, they're referring to catalyst,
which leads to experience here.
And the, the aim here in, in this balancing process
is polarization
and illumination being the result of plucking the catalyst
for analysis and
and fully allowing it to illuminate your, your reality
Both, right? So
doing some amount of analytics
and then also allowing for that intuitive nature to step in
and, and frankly I think fill gaps
that the intellect itself cannot arrive at exclusively,
Right? Yeah. Excellence,
that deep storehouse of knowledge
behind you that you don't consciously think about.
So it's yeah, allowing again, that receptive state to,
to look at things a little differently.
And I think that's what the elimination is there.
Yeah, and raw even says in the previous, uh, paragraph
that over analysis is really how structures
and separation ultimately are built.
They're saying that it's sort of in essence negative only
because that's what thought effectively leads to.
I mean, the entire notion of separation is a thought system
that that has, you know, myriad, infinite number
of thoughts built and based on it.
Yeah. It's like trying to solve a problem
by just thinking about it nonstop going on and on,
and then you go step in the shower
and kind of calm yourself down for a minute
and then you kind of get the intuitive answer there
or something where you take that step back, you kind of,
you can get that answer or a different perspective
that maybe you weren't before.
I think maybe about the balancing exercises as well,
that when thinking about these things in strictly an
analytical capacity may not afford you the same level
of polarization or activation, say from the heart center
to move into the emotional body and,
and say, um, what, what may not come to mind right now,
but what is more of a natural response
or reaction to this thing that I'm facing than
what my mind is saying right now?
And then suddenly something without fear comes forward
and you're like, wow, that's the most awkward
or hardest thing that I could imagine,
you know, addressing this with.
And yet, you know, truth be told,
it's probably the very best way to address this situation.
And so we allow for that to come in by
not overthinking everything.
Yeah. And I think that going back to the,
the images Mike that you had going up, this balancing
activist reminds me of something that, um,
Paul Sellecks guides, uh,
told me once at a retreat in Costa Rica,
and I had asked some question about the path
or whatever it was,
and they had this big long sort of explanation
that I didn't remember a whole lot of it,
but the punchline notes were taken
and I have the notes somewhere.
Um, the long story short though was
that like, hey, you're a great student.
You're, you're like doing a great job of diving in and,
and figuring all this stuff out
and, and you're putting it together.
Like it's pretty clear that like some
of these things are starting to stick.
Um, and they said the image that they gave Paul,
when I first asked the question, he said,
I've never seen this before,
but they're showing me you pushing a wheelbarrow
with one sort of foot in it
and the other one's sort of walking behind it.
And this is, this is how he answered my question
and went into the, the explanation that he gave
and said, yeah, you're doing a good job of, of sort
of the work and like, you know, put piecing it together.
Um, they go through this thing and,
and end it with, in other words,
get in the damn wheelbarrow.
And so ultimately the great way is, um, an understanding
of this at a level that informs trust and foundation.
It doesn't require, um, uh, all the reminders all the time
of, oh yeah, this works this way and,
and that's why it's okay.
Or requires that far less frequently
and far less frequently.
And so I think that the great way is just a trust
that all this is just happening
and it doesn't require the, the dissection of every moment.
It doesn't require the, the tweezing a part of everything
because frankly, everything is still
and only ever caused by one
gross misconception in consciousness.
And it's like you can answer every question that way.
And so, you know, at a certain point, do you have to
split it all, you know, 37 ways from Sunday and,
and, you know, understand each and every one of them.
Or do you start to piece it together in its whole
and start to experience the great way
and realize that, wow, I could just get in the wheelbarrow
and trust that this stuff is just always working
and watch my experience change a lot.
Well, I guess the great way is a, a summary.
Uh, it's a, it's a, it's a ability
to perceive the other archetypes, the other aspects of,
and, you know, case of the mind, you know, we're, we're,
we're seeing the catalyst
and experience together as part of the way we're seeing the,
um, the matrix and potentiator together as part of the way,
the great way, which is, uh, allowing us to move through
fluidly without, without being block blocked up by anything.
So what, so I guess what we're still talking about today is,
um, how to address the blockages.
And a lot of people, you know, it's, it's,
there's many different ways in which people are blocked
and that's why I even consider talking about the chakras
again in this discussion.
Um,
But it's gotta be through alignment.
I mean, and analytics is great
and we're so good at
tweezing these things apart at this conceptual level,
but if we don't reconstruct them again to create
a new understanding and a new alignment of absolute
and perfect universal forgiveness and unconditional love,
and an understanding and awareness
that all things are one thing,
and it's an alignment to that.
It's not that everyone that starts a path
that even can conceive of
that doesn't immediately have imposter syndrome in some
amount of resistance to is that even possible?
And I can say from my own experience that, yeah,
me three years ago was like, ugh, felt
so weird and uncomfortable.
I could see it, I could see people sort of embodying this.
And I was like, I believe it. And yet just like, just felt
so incongruent with my experience
and what I believed in any of that.
And wow, has that changed night and day in three?
That's what they, they were talking about when they were
saying that the experience, uh,
or um, uh, the experience, the too much order can,
can tend to lead itself to the negative side.
'cause it's basically like just micromanaging
The future, which does Exist.
Like your everything, you know, one, one of the things
that kind of came to my mind was, um,
and if anybody's done any, um,
one footed balancing poses in yoga, uh, when,
when you stiffen up your knee, you're all over the place
because you're, you're trying to, to balance your whole body
through your ankle and your knee
and your thigh up into your hip.
And, and when you put a slight bend in the knee,
the entire position becomes easier.
And that is that loosening of this micromanaging, you're,
you're trusting that the leg is going to hold you as long
as you stack it properly.
You don't have to micromanage
whenever the wind blows a little bit.
And it's that kind of, you're, you're balancing all one leg.
So you are managing the position,
you're just not micromanaging it.
You're letting there to be that balance between
you having the experience and given your input
and you having the experience
and mandating all of your requests
Yes. Starting to
move into trust.
And again, for all students,
the teaching has to be experiential.
If, if you don't start to have a different experience,
then you're barking up the wrong tree or,
And have the experience.
That's the key thing. Have the experience,
you're not forcing the experience.
That's the micromanaging side of it. Yeah.
You know, we have to do this, this, this and this.
Allow for all things and everything that comes up
that you're resistant to that you don't like,
that annoys you, irritates you, p****s,
you just fill in the blank.
Every single thing that comes up is an opportunity for you
to go, ah, this right here does not exist in the idealized
version of myself to which I am aligned.
If I think of the Buddha and I think of the Christ,
and I think of anyone who is attained this level,
and I think of myself in this situation
and I say, who would the Buddha be p****d off at right now?
And, you know, it allows me to move back into the alignment
that I hold because I certainly, even if I,
it's not my default nature in all ways, I can bring it
to mine and go, man, that guy wasn't p****d off at anything.
He didn't resist anything. And it's like, there it is.
That's now in my consciousness to the extent
that I can hold it within my consciousness, the notion of
complete peace is now present
because I have identified it, I guess,
or, you know, claimed that I've seen it
or encountered it in all of these forms.
And I do think these go ahead.
These, these figures, uh, were highly archetypal
of the Buddha and Christ there,
they're there in our consciousness with many stories
to allow us to come closer
to these archetypes too, I believe.
And, and, uh, what you described is, you know,
a process of analysis.
You, you kind of revealed that, you know, there,
there is a, a way in which we,
we shined a spotlight on something
that was pulled up from our catalyst and,
and that, that allowed it to become an experience,
which then allowed us to reframe our relationship of
ourself with, with that, that catalyst
and that that experience.
And as we move more into alignment, that leads
to the transformation that the shifted attitude,
which they said, um, this is such a perfect quote, I feel
around transformation when they said, many use the trunk
and roots of mind as if that portion
of mind were a badly used prostituted entity.
This, then this entity then gains from this great storehouse
that which is rough prostituted
and without great virtue, those who turn to the deep mind
seeking, seeing it at the guise
of the maiden go forth the court.
And I should definitely have that picture up, um,
transformation of the mind seen parallel with the great way
of the mind, those who see on the right hand path,
a anything about our experience
and, uh, what seems to be outside of ourself and you and or,
or deep within us in the mind, especially those,
those thoughts we go forth to court, those thoughts
that seem to be other than us.
Th they said this courtship has nothing of plunder
and its semblance and may be protracted,
yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great.
The right hand and left hand transformation
of the mind may be seen, may be seen to defer
by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own
resources as well as the resources of other selves.
And that also is totally what we,
what we saw here when they said, without acceptance
by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty,
the creative aspects which aid in
illumination will be stifled.
And that was very creative.
Uh, example you gave Andrew of, you know, calling up
who would the Buddha hate or something like that.
Mm-Hmm. Like, like this is totally a task we could,
we could do with ourselves every day.
You know, is there anything that at the end
of the day you could look, is there anyone in my life who
I look at differently than Jesus
or the Buddha would look at?
Do, do I look at these people in the same light that,
that they are seeing in, in this highest of light
by the one infant creator seeing itself
and looking at terms of the sacramental nature
of each experience, which is what Ross says occurs
after you've looked at everything in terms of each
of the seven chakras saying terms of survival, in terms
of personal identity, in terms
of social relations at the yellow in
terms of universal love.
That's, that's the biggest blockage for most people.
Do we see, uh, these experiences in terms
of the opportunities for universal love to be understood,
but then fully
and freely shared, this is, uh, the archetypal Blu-ray,
you know, fully and freely, honestly fully open sharing
that love through our expression
and then seeing in terms of the universal natures of,
of things, which I think is connected to the appreciation
of the archetypal energies and everything.
And finally seeing in terms of the sacramental nature
of each experience as the highest perception
to truly see the creator as giving of itself to itself
through each experience and fully having that highest light
and, and vantage point for, for,
for viewing our reality. That's
What the, um, the Sanskrit word that's, um, been coming
to me a lot lately is Top Bama Sea.
And I've read a few different translations, um, loosely,
or the one that I like is the, I am that too.
And that is really neat
because something that used to be sort of,
or has been I should say, a dwindling kind of, um,
default reaction of some level of judgment, um,
moving now into more of a, of a reflex I should say of,
oh look, I'm that too, you know, and anything that I'll see
and that I might normally sort of cringe at, for example,
um, you know, watching almost anything on the internet
or whatever that you think is sort of cringe-worthy
and realizing that no, this is, this is within the all
that is one as well.
And that being more of the default realization
and not declaring it as outside of legitimate experience,
but rather that all choices are valid.
And here I am watching choice and ramification out pictured,
Right.
So I, I would, uh, we got, we're one hour in now.
I'd like to, uh, touch briefly on what they say about, uh,
more of the, of the archetypal images.
And then I, I would like to try to dive into
what are the implications of this for application
and how, how could we look at these together in the pairs
of male and female again?
Um, so I would like to jump straight back to
where we started briefly, uh, with the matrix of the mind
and session 79, I think I could just pull it up here.
Um, 79 20, uh, we touched on it briefly.
Um, this was a discussion of the archetypes prior to the,
uh, extension of the first distortion,
which was the veiling process,
which happened much earlier in the history of our
galaxies evolution when there was only nine archetypes.
Bra said, the matrix of mind
or consciousness is that from which all comes,
it is unmoving, yet is the activator
and potentiation of all mind activity, and it's masculine.
And they, they say the masculine is
that which reaches the feminine, is
that which awaits the reaching, uh,
and the potentiator of mind is
that great resource which may be seen
as the C into which the consciousness dip ever deeper
and more thoroughly in order to create, ideate
and become more self-conscious.
And so this is a necessary step that we're always taking,
um, without dipping into the, the sea of potentials.
There's nothing that we're able to create, ideate
or become self-conscious through.
But the, to become the matrix of mind seems to be,
to be become that pure single pointed,
completely new and unblemished mind that has the potential
for the, for the reaching.
And then that, that, that reaching is reaching into
that which is awaiting the reaching,
which is the infinite mind, the infinite sea of potentials,
which requires us to be receptive in order to become
fully aware of what that that potential is for us.
We can't, we can't consciously discern the potential we have
to unconsciously allow it to, to reach, reach us.
Um, so this is why, my suggestion for when would you apply
the, um, the potentiator of mind
was perhaps it's when you are without any insight
and you need some deeper depth of intuitive appreciation,
your, your imbalance perhaps on the,
on the rational side of things.
And you need to, um, become more opened,
become more receptive.
And yeah, I feel like that, that that concept
of receptivity is the female concept that may be part
of the key to unlocking what, when we're needing to
represent this, uh, image, which is, um,
What's so interesting is the parallels though, between
the potentiator or I should say all that sort
of exists in potentiation,
and then the condition of the matrix, um, of being, um,
unbiased and unblemished.
And it's like, I'm still connecting those two things,
that when the matrix itself is unbiased
and unblemished, that its availability
or what it might reach into the potentiator
or what it will pull out is perhaps changed.
And then the role of the potentiator itself, it's like,
you know, are both of these things required?
Like, which of which of these things are you really, um,
doing when you're removing, you know, the biases?
Well, I, I really like the, the image of the caged bird.
And it feels like, you know, to, to unlock
that cage is not something the consciousness does alone,
but the, the purity of the path of reaching to,
to unlock that caged bird, the, the, the purity of
that means you can't be focused on something else
and have your divided will.
And that's, that's, I think that's a pure symbol of it,
is really just getting back to that undivided will,
which is not, uh, bogged down with, uh, other distortions of
worrying about the past and the future
and, um, trying to identify in a particular way
and making your past sense of identity,
what you feel must be
the place from which you're reaching into a new potential
for experience.
I agree. I think all that makes sense.
So if those are qualities of the matrix that we're looking
to refine or release, then what are the aspects
of the potentiator, or what qualities is it within us
that impact the potentiator that make
different things come out,
or that the polarity that exists within it, perhaps
that's the only thing.
Perhaps our sense of polarity is what really broadens,
you know, the potentiator allowing us to reach a, a much
broader, you know, set of, um, of new, uh, input.
Yeah, they do say that,
that the choice is the unifying archetype.
So I think that that may be overlaid on here too,
that there's some, uh, the, the, the path of the will and,
and the reaching will have, um,
a polarity to it, I think.
Um, although maybe, maybe, maybe it doesn't have, uh,
the, the interpretation yet of what, what should be seen as,
as positive or negative.
Um, so I, I'm a little fuzzy on that one myself.
Well, it could also be that the removal
of the biases in the matrix are what allow for
that expansion of possibility in the potentiator.
You know, none of these things exist in isolation.
They're all in relationship to each other.
Well, or at least they're all in relationship
to some others.
Mm-Hmm. I think you're right, Andrew.
'cause that kind of makes sense. Where at least to me,
the way I interpret the experience card there is then the
way you view that.
So it's positive or negative, good or bad.
You're kind of also, um, maybe putting some judgment on
that catalyst as it comes through.
And that's maybe based on your biases and stuff before.
But you start off in that clear, um,
non distorted mindset almost.
When you receive that, then you put all your distortions
and stuff on it after it
seems during that other part experiences. Yeah. Then you
Reexperience 'em, right?
And then you get some sort of emotional reaction,
and then you get the opportunity to move probably back into
that and say, what was the, what was foundational
as I went into this analysis
or this exercise, what was so fundamental to my thinking
that it wasn't even in my awareness, there was a belief
that I had about this, whatever it is
that allowed my experience of this
to come out quite differently than when I moved in,
you know, with a really,
what I thought was an unbiased mind.
And I think that's how we discover those more
and more latent and lower level biases
and uncover and release 'em.
Exactly. Yeah. Consciously pay attention to that
or consciously hone in on it to, to, to see from there
and then allow the unconscious to also, um,
guide you from, from that point too.
Yeah. Being wrong, you know, something
that the ego detests frankly, is something that the adapt,
uh, becomes quite comfortable with early on, right.
Is going, oh man, I'm,
I'm probably wrong almost all the time.
Certainly anytime I'm, I'm not happy I'm wrong.
Yeah. Conversations like this, I like to remind myself
that this is not the density of understanding.
So as much as you try to think you're right
and know everything there, it's like
there's always more to it.
We can piece together as much as we can,
but gosh, it's, yeah.
It's so complicated. So it helps to take that step back
and, um, maybe, I guess say humble yourself.
Yeah. It allows for more, I think that
expands potentiation, frankly,
because we're now no longer deciding, like you said earlier,
exactly what it needs to look like.
We're allowing for an, a greater
and greater, um, variety of experience
and catalyst that we can learn
through in very different ways, I imagine, than
the old repetitive ways,
Right? Yeah.
That's what I think about with the catalyst too.
And like we talk about kind of analyze
or knowing when to maybe embody the catalyst side,
it's when certain things keep coming up for you,
you keep re-experiencing it,
but you're not actually taking that time
to look at it or understand.
Um, I think Rod talks about in some of those, uh,
quotes there with the theories of quick and cruel catalyst,
but if you don't actually analyze it
or use the catalyst, it'll just return again
and again until you learn that lesson.
So it's, um, it's there for your use,
but you just actually need to take the time to look at it
and figure out what that could mean
for you from maybe a mental thought, emotional standpoint,
um, to to balance it and to actually work with it.
Yeah. To see catalyst as opportunity
and that changes everything.
Mm-Hmm. I gonna say that earlier too, that while this is
so helpful and as they say that the adep can move
so much more quickly, I would contend
that any conscious person that says things like, you know,
life is just a classroom and like, you know,
but they really kind of subscribe to that,
is doing all the same work
and just using very different
understanding and words for it.
But, you know, I've certainly met people,
I'm sure you guys have too, that managed to embody a lot
of this, um, relatively naturally
or without, you know, as much of the input as some
of us, um, prefer.
Yeah. And it's, so I I, I pulled up this quote just to,
this is so much in line with what we're talking about,
but yeah, I absolutely agree that,
but I think that the real, the real trick is, is applying
that understanding that this is still teaching me
across the board, even if it involves pain.
So in session 34, the, the, the question was,
can you gimme examples of catalytic action
to produce learning under each
of the following headings from the last session?
So he gave, he was really breaking it down, um,
but he asked for example,
of the self unmanifested producing learning catalyst,
and Ross said,
we observed your interest in the catalyst of pain.
This experience is most common among your entities.
The pain may be of the physical complex, more often it is
of the mental and emotional complex.
And they, they put emotion very often in,
in the mind archetype, ex uh, exploration.
I think in, in some few cases, the pain is
spiritual and complex nature.
This creates a potential for learning.
So immediately we see all pain as creating
that potential for learning.
Uh, the lessons to be learned vary,
but almost always these lessons include patience, tolerance
and the ability for the light touch.
And it would make sense if, um, and,
and a situation involving other people, uh, where we're not
po potentially, you know, honoring their free will.
That could be the strongest situation where patience
and tolerance and the ability for the light touch need
to be applied more to, to be, to be honoring of the,
the sensitive a aspects of, of dealing with others.
Oh, man, I think that's a, a real important one.
That Buddhist retreat that I went to earlier this year, the,
the one of the teachers told this story about a guy who went
and asked a, a really, really old Buddhist master, you know,
who was literally about to die.
And he said, what is it after a lifetime of studying and,
and pursuit of enlightenment that you've learned
that you can share with me at this point?
And he said, um, that he told him an appropriate response.
And so it's sort of like a joke, right?
'cause everyone's like, oh, well, what was the response?
And he goes, well, no, that was what he said,
an appropriate response.
And this spells that out.
So completely, clearly to me that every single interaction
that we have with an other self is always an opportunity
to introduce a vibration that's either equal to
or greater than where that person might be, or equal to
or lesser than where that person might be.
And always being the next rung up on the ladder
that any individual that you're in interaction
with is climbing, I think is what that means.
So that we're never in danger of falling lower end vibration
and responding unconsciously,
but always approaching every situation with light and love
and what's appropriate right now.
Right. So to wrap up this quote, they said very often
the catalyst for emotional pain, whether it be the death
of the physical complex of one other self, which is loved
or some other seeming loss,
will simply result in the opposite.
And a bitterness and impatience are souring.
This is catalyst which has gone awry in these cases.
Then there will be additional catalyst
provided to offer the unmanifested self further
opportunities for discovering the self
as all sufficient creator containing all
that there is and full of joy.
So this is the, the, the archetypal catalyst appreciation
embedded in a statement I feel when they say
discovering the self as all sufficient creator
containing all that there is and full of joy.
So if pain can lead to becoming full of joy, is
that not worth a little bit more catalyst to,
to come closer to that appreciation?
Um,
I don't know that it's necessary,
but that it's always useful or productive
or is as available to be productive as, you know,
we invest the amount of pain that we experience within it.
Yes. That's the good news. Is it required? No.
Do I even think that it's more efficient? Not really.
Um, but it's, it's just as effective, I suppose.
Yeah. Yeah. But pain is, pain is a very relative term.
You know, the, the pain could be greater
for some person than it is for another.
And it depends on where you're at in your life.
The, the amplitude of the pain, I guess you would say. Yeah.
Like, if you don't learn how to deal with that type
of pain the first time,
it will get worse every time you experience that type
of pain in, in, in the future in, in your life.
Yeah, I would agree. And I would say vice versa, that
that same frequency can hit one person
very painfully, another person.
Mm-Hmm. A lot less painfully
and will be experienced by somebody else.
Not as pain at all, but understood as opportunity
appreciated as the in the moment experience that's available
to us that Mike was talking about earlier.
The, what was the word? The, um, the sacrosanct nature of
Sacramental.
Sacramental, yes.
The sacramental nature of, of each moment.
So isn't that, I think back to like,
that seems like the greatest opportunity
to polarize really now in this current, um,
condition here with the veil.
Uh, so from my understanding, before the veil,
they didn't really have pain
or any of these sort of emotions and issues before too,
because you were connected, you knew everything was one,
you didn't have the same, um,
I guess catalytic action that pain does now.
'cause you had full control over your body and,
and full connection at that point.
So after the veil now is when basically this is now giving
you an opportunity to work through
or even see that as an opportunity to grow
and to, to polarize where it wasn't before.
It's like good consciousness
after bad if the entire universe, the logo
of the universe had already predicated its dot system
in separation, the things
that happen subsequently by sub logo.
I wore just further manifestations of that same idea,
the same concept, the veiling, all those things.
And I love how Rob really appreciates everything, though.
Sometimes I think that certain parts of
that bigger picture might, um, be a little hidden there.
And I wanna be really careful
because I'm, you know, this is certainly in my,
I don't know, pile, but, um, I'm not as sold on
certain configurations, um,
and sold on the fact that they are necessarily, um,
at a higher alignment than I would personally seek
to hold myself.
And so, while the veil itself created all kinds
of opportunity for pain
and all of that, I mean, if you can think of the veil
as the next step in making sure that we forget the truth
and that we forget our oneness with our source.
I mean, guys like, yeah, is it effective?
Sure, but is it really the experience that we all want?
Or was this a just a doubling down, a tripling down,
a quadrupling down on this commitment to this notion
that things can be separate?
I don't want to be too assertive
because it, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to pretend
to know, but I do want to be open
and say that I am not as bought into the concept
that the veiling was, was this big stroke
of brilliance necessarily, that raw might want
to characterize it as
Well. I think
I, I'd add to that there, at least from
what Raw talks about with some of that was the idea
before entities weren't progressing.
They weren't polarizing in third density,
they weren't moving on to fourth or anything from there.
So the veil was this great, um, implementation then
that allowed people to actually polarize
or make it look like through separation.
You would either come back to Unity
or you take control of that and continue on that path.
But regardless, it's an impetus to grow
and to move on to, to higher densities from there.
Sure. But in a way, sort of good money
after bad, if you, if you do sort of subscribe to the notion
that this spacetime universe is first
and foremost predicated on separation,
and that that's the entire manifestation of space
and time is an inverted reality, then you,
it's hard to ignore that.
As we look at all the subsequent
manifestations at all the sub logo eight levels,
it's really hard to not attribute this in f fraternized
consciousness to a much more primordial notion
and concept of self that does not really align
with the truth that the law of one is obviously coming
to, to reconcile
It. To me, it's
not that much different than asking myself,
do I still wanna play a video game
and do, do I want there to be a story in that video game
that has a story arc of, of, uh, something in conflict?
And it's, it's a very mysterious thing
because it's like we're, we're built to enjoy dopamine,
we're built to enjoy serotonin with these physical vehicles.
And, and these feelings, these sensations which seem
so separate from us, they're still just another layer
of the video game that, that we're, that we're working
with to, to play with.
And so the, the veil is required for kinds of experiences,
which we were just curious enough
to incarnate into, to explore.
But I do think that from the, from another vantage point,
earth has gone off the rails on in terms of, uh, uh,
seeking paths of, of, uh, uh,
exploring suffering, exploring slavery,
and exploring, uh, pain in so many different ways that it,
it is only appropriate to call, uh, the, the confederation
who is honoring the truth
and honoring the light, the brothers
and sisters of sorrow as, as we're, we're seeking to,
to reach out to those who are calling out in sorrow
who had just can't quite see with enough light.
Um, and, and this is, this is possibly an excessive example
that, that we've been given here of exploration
of a video game where it seems like the levels are just ex
excruciatingly challenging for those people who have not
yet understood the, the basic controls of even on the body,
um, to understand how, how we can break free,
open our hearts and break free from the, the seeming.
Well, let's talk about that. I wanna talk about that.
The pre-incarnate choice, you know, which is
so empowering on the one hand,
and then on the other is characterized very differently
in different traditions.
Some like raw might have us believe that we're wanderers
and travelers and do-gooders, cosmic, you know,
good Samaritans that are coming along
to help raise the vibration of a planet, which may in fact
very well be true.
And there are also, um, traditions
or sources of information that would perhaps
lovingly not condescendingly,
but um, you know, very easily claim that
all beings choosing to incarnate in this sort
of a thing are learning,
but not in the way that's this high-minded sort of sense.
It's that we made this commitment, this choice to have
an experience that caused such a rift within us
that the soul body itself developed around us to ensure
that this trip we were taking was in fact going
to be a round trip.
Right? And I think that that supersedes all
of space time and this universe.
So while we look at what different logo have done
and how they incorporated
and changed certain aspects of the blueprint,
and as we look at those that put more
and more distance between us
and knowledge of the truth, which again,
we can all appreciate is certainly sort of been productive
and available, we have no, no understanding whatsoever
of what an experience outside of spacetime is
and how different it may very well be,
and how other dimensional realities express
where separation is not, um, is not present.
It doesn't express the idea
that one thing can be separate from another is not present.
And so this whole construct, separate objects,
separate planets, separate stars,
like the entire space time reality is a reflection
of the idea that things are all separated
and outside of one another.
And so that's why I can't really sort of see universe as, as
ultimately congruent divine principle to begin with.
And then some, you know, where along the line, um,
certain logo I got, you know, off the tracks
or whatever, um, it's all together, all
of space time is all rooted in the same
primordial consciousness.
And I think continuing to out picture itself over and over
and over again with this commitment to this one idea,
And it's, it is a con, constant experimentation,
constant exploration, trying to ideate and create
and find the new, the se the seemingly new experience,
which is just another variation
of the same archetypal patterns again and again.
Right? And there are books like I've read
that one called The Fall again, also claiming
to be channeled, I wouldn't say one way or the other,
but is very much about characterizing that
as just completely misguided.
And they're like, yep, we totally get it.
We understand that you're trying to do this thing
and that thing, and it's all really cute.
Um, but by the way, if you've got any chance at all in this
life of waking up,
you're gonna have one opportunity at the end of this life
to decide what you want to do from here.
And now is the time to wake up and break this great wheel,
or the cycle of life, or whatever different
traditions call it.
Which again, is another thing to point out
that whether people are saying that the cycle
of reincarnation needs to be broken,
or they're saying that it's time for the Christ
to become fully embodied in this physical reality,
what they're both alleging is that the cyclical nature
of the constant churn of evolution through consciousness
has certain milestones and has certain graduations
and harvests and things like that that happen.
And it seems like that's what's far more available here.
And I do think that there's a perspective that that has
to rest at a level of consciousness that says
participating in density at all is, you know, sort
of novel or whatever.
But like, that's it.
And, and there's parts big part of me that just frankly
hopes that I never have to incarnate
and live in a reality quote unquote, based on this notion.
Again, I don't like it.
I'm not saying that I don't like my experience,
I have a great experience,
but I'm saying that that reality is predicated on something
that is so untrue
and so false is just taxing, quite frankly, to interact
with all the time and why it's learning
and challenge and opportunity.
Well, do we think that that the one infinite creator
in his grand thinking
and great scheming of the whole reality of everything said,
you know, what I think is
that challenge is probably the very best thing for me
and my creation to experience and grow through?
No, I think appreciating challenge
as opportunity is pretty critical for those of us
that are mired in the thick of it right now.
But no, I don't align to thinking that,
that it's a requirement of experience generally.
Is it available? Sure.
And does the creator judge it a any differently
than any other experience?
Of course not. But would you choose it if you could?
I hope not to.
Again, you hope not to. Again,
Again, thanks Nick.
Remind me of that on my deathbed, please. Yeah,
Gotcha.
I think that the veil and time are very interlinked.
And if you're gonna have this experience
in any way, shape or form, you know,
you could be the most clairvoyant person in the world,
but if you're going through life in the, in the, um,
in the universe that we're going through
where everything happens at a specific moment
and we're moving chronologically forward, backward, back
to front in time, then that's implicit in the veil
because they said like, you know, not living with the veils,
like playing a game of poker
and knowing everyone's hands, th th that's
that you're not even like at that point,
you're not playing the game of poker.
You're not moving through the game of poker.
You are sitting there with the knowledge of everything.
And that's, that's why I think that, you know,
your frustration with the, with the system, uh, I get it.
I mean, I'm ready for some more answers too.
Um, but we've gotten to this point
after playing the game of poker, knowing everyone's hand,
knowing half of people at the table's hand.
And now we're at the point where we're like, well,
I don't wanna know anybody's hand.
And like Mike said, we're going through with these vehicles,
uh, you know, dopamine and,
and serotonin and all these things.
Uh, the emotional body, like all the,
the whole system was set up to have this experience
of not knowing so that you could get to the other end
of the not knowing and be like, oh, that was awesome.
You know, I'm gonna climb Everest. I
Wanna go tell You blackjack.
So rather than playing against all the other gamblers,
it's just me and the dealer.
I would like to realize my relationship with my dealer. So
That's Nick. I think you're exactly
right with that.
I was thinking the same thing with that,
because Andrew, I don't, I don't think it's a requirement
like what you were getting on there,
but it's what I guess the creator is finding to speed up
or expedite spiritual growth almost going through this sort
of situation and going through this,
I think we're so-called meat grinder of experience
that is not always the greatest,
but it's speeds up up the process that's
Thought a soul level polarizing where we're stuck.
But I, nobody's driving us here. Nobody put us here.
Nobody inserted us into this reality at a soul level.
This is where we were prepared to incarnate.
You guys were the ones that I was prepared to meet
and hopefully learn from.
And here's hoping
that it goes better this time than last time.
Yeah. And but the other thing that, that is implicit with,
um, like if you, if you knew all the hands,
or even if you were playing blackjack
and you knew the dealer, then you, that, that
is back to the whole too much order is negative
because there's no playing the game at that point.
You're just going through the motions
because there's no emotionality in it,
because you know what's coming up next, you know
what all the other players have.
There's, there's no experience of the game in that game.
There is just the game and you're either gonna play it and,
and knowing what the future holds, go down the path to win
or go down the path to lose.
But there's no playing it.
There's no, uh, there's no, um,
I don't know, like the, the emotional body that we,
we have in this go around,
I think is the point of the go around.
And there is no emotion in getting dealt three ACEs
and knowing that the fourth ace is gonna pop up on the flop.
Well, let me, let me bring up a few more points here,
but I, this is the most perfect quote to anchor around.
So I'm gonna read this in a minute here,
the original poker game discussion.
Um, but one thing we're, we're talking about is the nature
of the self as an a being who incarnates.
And, but, but ultimately, if I, if,
if I've incarnated it into this body, this body is at,
at a minimum as an expression of the consciousness
of my mom and my dad.
And they, they are at least me on some level right now.
And, and, and if I take a step back
and say, what, what have I chosen here?
I've, I've chosen to be in relation to everyone on earth,
and, and a and a sea of distortions of the racial mind.
This is on the level that sits atop the,
the archetypal mind.
As, as we travel down to appreciating the nature of self,
we, we must integrate the, all the facets
of the self within the, the planetary mind to, to,
to get down to the, the, the, the, the discipline
of the personality, which is becoming the creator first,
knowing the self, which is a, a step, uh, ascending steps
of knowing the body, the all, all the facets
of the self in all others around us, merging
with their consciousness, knowing the, the deeper aspects
of ourself, which, which are always in relationship
to the biases of our existence, is always in relationship
to the biases that have been set up by our parents
and set up by our culture and the words that we're using.
Everything is coming from these deeper portions
of consciousness, which are choosing
to flower in these ways.
And as we, as we merge in, we become more
and more appreciative of the, of the heart of the galaxy,
which is the raw love itself,
which did want these experiences out of love to,
to have this expression.
And, and the, the deepest of loves, I think, is
that which is the most desirous of becoming everyone and,
and, and being, being that, that, that, that,
that core raw logos, which is without any, uh,
judgements in, in the choice of experience.
Do we lose Nathan? Um, sure,
I assume, assuming he's rejoining.
Um, but what, any,
any thoughts on that? And then I wanna read this quote.
Well, um, partly,
but it's, again, it's only about an alignment thing.
When you, when you mention moving into, um, acceptance
for forgiveness or love with, you know, every individual,
um, it's, um, daunting to think
that there are 8 billion people out there.
I actually tried to do the math once
and figure out how long it would take
to give everybody on earth a hug.
Um, it was way longer,
even under the very best case scenario than you could
possibly imagine.
And so I was like, well, given that I'm not gonna be able
to give all of them a hug, I'm gonna have to start
to aligning to them as the collective
and stop differentiating between them and where, where
and when I am differentiating between them,
obviously move in, move into, you know,
understanding why am I applying more judgment or,
or more investment of meaning
or whatever into certain persons or acts
or events or whatever.
And as that's gone on, it's just curtailed a lot to
where seeing it as the collective is a lot easier,
but it'ss a lot easier than 8 billion.
Yeah. But perhaps as,
as the Diddy Andies are appreciated more, we see the, the,
the female playing the, the strings of,
of the male in that sense.
And, and that we, we are becoming the world, we're becoming
the, the nature of the energies itself that, that are,
that are illuminating each
and every fest of the consciousness
of everyone on, on earth.
Um, that has to be embodiment. Like at the highest level.
Yeah. Yeah.
Alright, so this is such a great quote to,
to anchor us on, I think.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna read this, uh, this whole thing
that, that we kept talking about.
The question was, can you expand on the concept,
which is this, that is necessary for an entity to,
during incarnation
and the physical, as we call it, become polarized
or interact properly with other entities,
and why this isn't possible in
between incarnations when he's aware of what he wants to do,
but why he must come and do an incarnation
and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do,
and then act in a way that he hopes to act.
Could you expand on that please?
And Ross said, let us give the example of the man
who seeds all the poker hands.
He then knows the game it is,
but child's played a gamble for it is no risk.
The other hands are known, the possibilities are known,
and the hand will be played correctly,
but with no interest in timespace,
the better physical dimensions, which we're always in,
but we're not always consciously aware of, and timespace,
and in the true color green density, the hands
of all are open to the eye, the thoughts, the feelings,
the troubles, all these may be seen.
This is also something that
the dreams are giving us a hint of.
There is no deception and no desire for deception.
Thus much may be accomplished in harmony,
but the mind, body spirit gains little
polarity from this interaction.
Or you could say little fruit for fruitfulness.
Uh, let us examine the me this metaphor
and multiply it into the longest poker game
that you can imagine a lifetime.
The cards are love, dislike,
limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, et cetera.
They're dealt and delt and delt continuously.
And I think perhaps when we get to the catalyst of the body,
this is a great quote to talk about there, um,
which is called the Wheel of fortune.
The, the repealing of cards is like this wheel of fortune
that keeps on coming at us, love, dislike, limitation,
unhappiness, pleasure dealt and delt continuously.
You may during this incarnation begin
and we stress begin to know your own cards.
You may begin to find the love within you.
You may begin to balance your pleasure,
your limitations, et cetera.
However, your only indication
of other selves cards is to look into the eyes.
You cannot remember your hand, their hands,
perhaps even the rules of this game,
that this is a school you
won't even remember, it's a school.
This game can only be won by those who lose their cards.
And the melting influence of love can only be won by those
who lay their pleasures, their limitations.
They're all upon the table.
Face up and say inwardly, all, all
of you players each other self,
whatever your hand, I love you.
This is the game to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance,
and to open the self and love.
This cannot be done without the forgetting for would
otherwise carry no weight in the light of,
and the life of the mind, body, spirit being this totality.
Alright? So the premise here still though quite
comfortably is there is a win condition.
Okay? Raw is pretty clear. Like, Hey, play to win.
By the way, when you win, you don't need to play anymore.
So we're still talking about the game as all beneficial
because it's benefiting us relative to where we are
and what we need and our requirements for learning.
But choosing to play a game
that itself is predicated on separation, is again,
what the much more fundamental
thought process in our own roots of mind consciousness
are going on here.
And again, I mean, seeing it as the game can be productive
because we are using it,
but to see the game itself as the purpose
and to feel like, yeah, I'm doing it.
I came here and I'm playing the game,
and that I wanna play the game.
I think raw is pretty clear here.
Um, they're encouraging us to win.
Yeah. Um,
This is also, yeah, but you're looking
at it from your point of view.
You, you know, we are the pawns on the chessboard.
The, the one infinite creator moving, I'm a queen.
The one infinite creator is moving the chess pieces.
And if you're a pawn, or even if you're the queen
or the king, you're put in the square that you're put into
until you're moved from that square.
Oh man. But you can't see the whole board
from where you're standing.
The one infinite creator is the one playing chess.
And if you're a pawn that makes its way all the way
to the end and just sits in the corner,
not becoming the queen, again, you're gonna sit there
and be like, why am I sitting here?
Why am I not taking one step forward? But you know, you're,
Well, Nick, maybe because you're advocating your
responsibility for your own movement
and assuming that the creator's just moving us around,
and it's like, no, it's the aspect of the creator come
as self that is here to be embodied
and moving us
around throughout the game. Both of these things are
Right, but the, the, the, uh, the metaphor is,
is less about the creator moving the pieces
and more about the pieces not knowing the greater game.
And you are living your life
and you're like, all right, I'm done.
I wanna go back to where all the answers are.
I, I, you know, I'm tired of spinning wheels down here.
I want the veil to be lifted. I wanna see all these things.
But the, but the game still requires people
to experience it within the veil
because we haven't as a collective, achieved
whatever the win is, whatever the win statistic is.
Well, the game itself became necessary when we made the
decision to explore this idea with such fervor
and such commitment that
a new manifest reality itself unfolded as a result.
Mm-Hmm. And again, I'm still saying that I
absolutely contain, as do each of you a level
of consciousness that transcends the need
to play this particular game,
and that there are all kinds of other experiences
and other games, if you'd like to call 'em that,
that probably don't dance around the edges of abject denial
and outright insanity the way
that this one does. And again,
But what if the whole point of you playing this game is
to get to that traffic light
where the other player needs you to show them respect
and allow them to go, well, what if the whole point
of the rest of your ex experience is
to help all the other experiences,
Right? So that's, that
lives right in the middle of sort
of the traditions that would have us break this
wheel of incarnation.
There's this whole, you know,
just ethos out there about the fact that wanderers
and travelers are here doing the good thing.
And I'll still just say that,
that there are those traditions that, um, sort
of have also established
or claim to their own sense of enlightenment that still sort
of chuckle at that and say, yeah, but thanks,
but no thanks. Like,
Yeah, that's the Why at a soul level you decided to do
that, but at an even higher level than that, you may realize
that this is not really a worthy, you know, utilization
of your time.
Well, we keep talking about individuals
as though they are not the creator.
Yeah. And, and that the, that the, the, the paths
that are chosen are not a part of one will that as,
as though there are separate wills.
This is something I'm still processing,
and I feel that this is the, the,
the archetypes expressed are, are essentially one will
of the logos that, that chose to express in infinite forms,
but ultimately it was one will to choose that there be now
more articulation of catalyst
and experience, that there now be more exploration
of the relationship between the male
and female energies expressed through different forms.
One of them seeing from one end of the, of the,
of the spectrum with the conscious mind, uh, always reaching
for that next experience, the to to see something, uh,
as being worthy of the transformation
and the other end always just accepting what is,
as being already on the deepest level,
you could say there's already this perfect pure, uh,
perfect creation of a sacrament that it's just sitting here
as beautiful as we can possibly imagine it already is.
Once we have that furthest highest vantage point,
which is ultimately the unconscious vantage
point that we have forgotten.
And from that vantage point that we're seeking to, to blend
with the seeker, that that, that, that,
that highest appreciation is, is is truly the, the,
the ecstasy, uh, that is, that is the, the state of samati
that is always, always present.
But when they say, when we reach that state, the, it is rare
that a, a cessation of the incarnation is chosen.
And instead there's usually a desire to use that experience
to help bring benefit to others.
When you're looking from that vantage point,
and you know, I had this dream that's always been, oh,
They're here right then in that incarnation, I don't know
that they went on to say, and those are the ones
who likely come back over and over and over again.
But that would, you know, kind of make sense
that it's gonna be a little, little bit easier to go ahead
and stick it out and finish than
to just vanish on the people that you'd, you know, sort
of been in relation to for a lifetime. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
So I, I, I keep being nudged around by memories of a dream
that I had back in like 2016 where it was, uh,
a, a feeling like there was this disease
of zombie azo zombies.
Everyone was, was a zombie around me.
And I felt like I had to, you know, find a way
to help people cure this disease of zombies
where everyone's just mulling around doing none of the work
to, to help the planet, um, cure itself
and become more enlightened.
And I saw that there was a town that I could travel to where
the light was discovered
that no one had this disease in that town.
So I traveled to that town
and I looked into the light
that was a light in the floor of a room.
And in that moment, I saw my karma displayed, uh, in the,
in my, it felt like my future was, was, was shown to me in,
in different symbols of rooms that I would have to go
through to get back to the light
in order to come back to the light.
I had to go through these rooms.
But there was an overwhelming feeling like the people
who were approaching the light, that were hovering
around it, like flies looking at this light that,
that these people were caught up in the, the, the failure
to appreciate that this light can be taken
to the whole planet, this light can be, can be tapped into,
and it can be turned into the cure for everyone.
The cure is always available, always accessible.
And it, it felt to me like this is something
that's being missed a little bit, be by the, um,
the elite mystery schools that are loving the light
and everything that comes from it.
They're missing the fact that to, to merge
with one another in, in, in working
with the light together across, across the planet that,
you know, really sharing the, the depths of the teachings
of Christ, the depths of the teachings of the Buddha, and,
and, and making it our mission to, to, to, um, be the cure
that we wanted to see all along and, and,
and become the light ourselves in that, in that process.
I mean, that's, that's, that's really the,
the game I feel is, is is choosing love instead of
light seeing through the lens of shadow and falsity.
Yeah. And choose it so often that it becomes your nature.
And there you are, a being made new
and in consciousness claiming a world made new
the exact same way you're in
vibration, as Nick said earlier.
And there's literally no aspect
of you apart from the monad that is changeless.
And so the soul is what I tend to think of when I think
of the, the pre-incarnate choices being made are the
configuration energetically of the soul.
And this is all in frequency. It's not in language.
It's a song that, um, has become individuated.
So it still has the same sense of changeless, eternal monad
that every other expression has and has become individuated.
And at a soul level,
this incarnation becomes the requirement
for the soul's growth and learning,
and yes, is experience for the creator and not to be judged
otherwise, though I would still say
that there is likely an aspect
of consciousness it within each of us that
by the time we do reach the end of whatever game this is,
that we see it as such
and probably choose something different.
Yeah. It's, uh, it's a, it's a lot of choice
that we're wrestling with and,
and it it is, it is so, so fascinating to me how, you know,
things like video games
and things like AI are, are sort
of like this hyper projection of these, these complex
decisions that are, I mean,
ultimately AI may be a perfect example of something
that's extremely in the direction of order
and structure.
It's just so much order
and structure around the, the, the thought forms
that we've been feeding the internet
that it's reading from in order
to create this structured output,
structured input, structured output.
And it's not really allowing us to delve into the heart
until something of the light is, is sought to, to begin with
that we're, that we're able to pull in. Um,
Yeah, it's hallucinating the same way that we are.
Yeah. Really that's what the AI is doing.
Hey, Mike, answer me this, the course in miracles,
don't they say explicitly that choice does not exist at
either the level of the, I'm trying
to remember the parallel, but if it wasn't the Holy Spirit
or maybe the Monad
or Unified Co I mean, the, again,
the terminology is different between these things,
but yeah, there's something that stuck out this last time
that I listened to it that really caught me off guard
because choice has become so central in my understanding
of the law of one.
And then it was sort of presented that Oh yeah, by the way,
that really only exists in, in this reality anyway.
And I think that we have a session that says
that you've got the matrix, the potentiator,
and the significant, uh,
there is no choice mentioned in the primordial nine
archetypes in the session we read. Correct?
Yeah. Yeah. It was because of the exploration
of the veiling that choice became a, a part
of this exploration.
And, um, but,
but the, the, the yeah,
the fundamental vantage point from the creator, I think is,
um, one way that I like
to look at it is, you know, are we seeing in terms of the,
the fruits of the knowledge of good and evil,
or are we seeing in terms of the fruits of the tree of life,
seeing, in terms of the fruits of what, what, what our, our,
our desire for experience has become.
And I, I guess choice makes sense in the context
of polarizations,
but may maybe from the vantage point of, of that,
which is just what it is, because that's just what we chose.
That's, uh, at, at, at the, at the heart of creation,
that one choice of, uh,
separation essentially.
That's the ultimate lie. It's the first distortion.
It's, and this is why I think you have to say that,
that the heart of all this experience
and expression is a distortion.
It's the first distortion,
It's an exercise of the first
distortion of free will, right?
Yeah. It's a free will to have an experience of separation
or commit the self to this idea, this notion.
Um, and the more we polish that thought,
the more concretized it becomes
and ultimately made manifest, um, as something
that will also completely unmanifest itself.
Because the entire idea
that one thing could be separate from its source is
preposterous to us.
It's somehow logical. Like this is our literal reality
that we're like, here's one thing, here's another thing.
Like, there you go. Right?
And it's like, wow, we live in just such a bizarre world.
Yeah. Greg says, we, we choose a game
of forgetting, plain and simple.
Yeah. And that's imagine, uh, you know, the, the,
the exact, or not the exact,
but you know, like proportionately to your level
of frustration now with like, all right,
I'm ready to get off the wheel.
I don't wanna, I don't wanna unknow anymore like that.
The height of your frustration with that will be the height
of your joy when you reintegrate back in,
and thus that moment.
Yeah, I agree. If I was that frustrated, I would need
to come back like indifferent almost,
or like more just like, just resigned I guess, about it.
Like, okay, it is what it is.
Here's why I came here
and seeing it more clearly for what it is,
but to be frustrated, to be still challenged
and resistant to the process.
It's the opposite. I now see the process in its fullest
perfection from top to bottom, including my body,
which goes back to one of the sessions
that we were talking about as this perfect
reflection of my mind.
I now see my body as perfect.
Now I can see the things, all the things that I used to see
as imperfect about it or what I would claim as imperfect.
And yet it is the perfect reflection
of my mental configuration.
Every, everything that it expresses as does so perfectly.
So my idea of what perfect is has now been released,
and I understand it on a much more universal level.
And that it's the only way I think that you can start
to conceive of perfection is to tie it to the only place
that it can exist, which is with God itself and,
and be fully encapsulated
and inclusive of all experience everywhere.
So for, for this discussion, I had, I had considered, um,
making it structured around touching on each archetype, uh,
one by one again.
But I think, I think I need to spend more time on,
on putting together how that, how that would look.
And we could continue talking over many sessions and, and,
and drill in deeper into these.
And I, I feel like the, uh, perhaps the, the best place
to end this discussion is just another, another recap
of the transformation in a great way
and the relationship between these two.
Um, and as, as, as we
Can I just add to what you were saying there too, I,
I think that would be a really good idea to look at the
personas of the different archetypes,
but then also look at it from the different perspectives.
Maybe are seemingly individual, how it impacts you
or a group of people, or, you know, there's a lot
of different scenarios I guess you can look at for each one
or consider 'em from different, um, aspects
that create this concept complex that I think could be kind
of fun and and fruitful as well to,
to understand him better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The, the, and the idea that we, we kind of started with
that, that there's really, there maybe nothing in our
experience that won't be fruitful for under,
for understanding our archetypal of relationship
to those, those situations.
There's endless opportunities to, to, to get,
get deeper into these through, through real world examples
And thus the point of the real world.
Yeah. And let's bring examples too.
Remember, like I was saying earlier about not just mapping
them in a reverse fashion,
but we've had profound experiences, we've had experiences
that we might seek to replicate
or even just further understand.
And so bringing those up as examples
and saying, okay, where was the catalyst in this?
And, you know, how do we conceive that the significant,
you know, was in response to this
and what was in transformation?
And once the concept of transformation is understood
as the purpose is a great way result in
trust, it's a development of trust that that process
that we've now seen happen from beginning
to end is always gonna happen,
Right?
So I don't know if I shared this in the last one,
but I, I felt like I had a, a revelation that,
that perhaps the, the disciplines of the personality
could map, uh, roughly with
what they said would be knowing the self,
accepting the self, becoming the creator,
knowing the self seems to be related to the,
the balancing exercises to a degree seems to be related
to the significance to a degree.
And, and then I had the thought accepting the self
and becoming the creator could be related to transformation
and gr the great way,
and in the context of, uh, accepting the self,
essentially, what is this concept
of self that is being accepted?
And, and I think that that is, is how we, we picked
between these two paths when they said, um, those who turn
to the deep mind seeing in it the guise
of the maiden go forth to court it versus seeing
the badly used prostituted entity using that,
which is rough prostituted and without great virtue.
And I feel that the, the self is not something
that you would, um, abuse inherently if,
if you saw it as yourself.
So that's why there's a, a, a dependency upon separation.
And, and the truth here we're being strongly, uh,
encouraged to see is definitely on the, the path of the,
the less distorted view of self as, as everyone,
which would imply that there's automatically gonna be a, um,
a more careful attitude developed towards the resources
of yourself and the resource resources of other selves.
That attitude of, uh, maybe
reverence in the sacramental in others,
or seeing the creator in others, that's the, the, the,
the left hand or the right hand path here
with the transformation of the mind.
And so what's, once the, the self is seen more properly as,
as everyone else, and the curators respect it
and seen in everyone else, that's when I think we have the,
the great way where we're taking the spotlight
and we're looking at from the higher vantage point
and the way is now seen
where we're connecting the dots more quickly as,
as each maybe each of the chakras is more balanced,
and all these other facets of evolution are a part
of this process of the great way
becoming the, the end result.
And we're stepping into that more and more.
And I assume that that, you know,
every archetype has its value,
but maybe the stepping into the great way is, is ultimately
the, the easy path that Andrew is alluding to, that that,
that we're needing to awaken to. Does that make sense?
Yeah. And to allow it to happen, um, in, in a big way,
this transformation that we're talking about, in, in,
I wanna, I wanna suggest that when we talk about service
to self and service to other selves, in a way I certainly,
I'm gonna speak for myself, that I have actually realized
that I have put these two things actually a lot closer, um,
on a spectrum than I realized,
and I would now like to actually see that service
to others is service to all others.
So this is literally service to the concept of self
as separate, as wholly self-sustaining
and self existent in the absence of a source
or service to the truth that everything is all of
one source, and that is service to others.
Because that declaration and that knowledge
and that realization informs the consciousness
and experience of every single other self that we encounter.
However, the reason that I think
that I'm now expanding my own conception of what this,
this polarity truly, um, embodies
or encapsulates is that the difference is not just service
to myself and sort of, you know, what do I build here
for myself or a mass for myself in terms of wealth
or security or whatever, versus what do I go out
and how many people can I also help along those same lines,
which I think is sort of just a, a really, you know,
narrow look at that same spectrum,
but it really much more is more broadly the concept
and the commitment to one or many,
Yeah.
Meaning actually the opposite.
Being a commitment to one is actually a commitment to all,
whereas a commitment to self is a commitment to the idea
of meaningness, if that makes sense.
Yeah. Because that everyone outside of the law of one,
so if I, if I'm service to self, I necessarily recognize
everyone else also as totally self existent, self-sustaining
outside of source self.
And so I'm claiming everyone in that experience.
So service to self is really an idea of separation
because it's the self as separate, without source
and separate from other self.
Whereas service to other selves,
I think is far more appropriately put as service to,
to the notion of the law of one itself is service to all
and inclusive of the idea of other selves,
which is still quite a bit more separate than the notion
of law of one itself.
What'd you find, Mike
And I, I thought this is appropriate to
maybe be the last quote we we touch on too, is that this,
this process is, it is always building upon itself as,
um, when we to describe the experiences of the mind
that we're having, this is a transformation
of the way in which we're looking at things.
Um, the, the statement was, the seeker,
which has purely chosen the service to others' path,
shall not have a variant in
apparent incarnational experience.
There is no outward shelter in your illusion from gusts,
flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.
However, to the pure all that is encountered speaks
of the love and the, the light of the one infinite creator.
The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance
of challenges offered and opportunities to come.
And this is what they call a great pitch of light held high
above such at once, so that all interpretation may be seen
to be protected by light.
So the, the evolution of interpretation is, I think, a part
of the great way also in the, in the sense that we keep on
holding that light high enough that we keep seeing
that the lens through which we're viewing our reality is
continuously unhindered by seeing, um,
the blow as being anything that's,
that's, that's stopping us.
The blow as being the catalyst is certainly
that which is leading to gratitude and opportunities
and challenges, which may be, um,
a fun thing in the video game that we're playing.
If the challenge is, is what's leading us to the next level,
the next evolution, the next potential for higher
and higher amounts of light or,
or love, which is, uh, joy also, you know,
they say the heart of evolution of the spirit is unity,
love, light and joy.
And with the mind
and the body, uh, correctly balanced, then we,
we we're stepping into the joy, which is maybe addictive,
but I don't know.
Joy seems to be a central, uh, way of,
of thinking about the, the, the desire for experience
that is continuing along either path,
uh, positive or negative.
There seems to be a joy that is at the heart of the,
the purpose for exploration of the logos.
Well, certainly accepting the truth
of everything has to be joyful.
If everywhere you look you see God, that's wonderful.
And I would contend that the cruelest blow is in
direct proportion to our resistance to change.
And that when we are not resistant to change at all
and I'm, you know, is that an ideal or an alignment?
Sure. But if you can picture that with no resistance
to any change whatsoever
and no attachment to any outcome whatsoever,
how could you describe anything as a cruel blow, right?
And therefore everything that is present is simply accepted
as it is in truth, which is an expression
of the one infinite creator.
I mean, how much more joyful could you be when everything
you see is an expression of God?
Yep. Alright. I think this has been a great chat.
We can probably wrap it up and also at the end of this,
after we turn off the recording, we can chat with some
of the people who joined if they're around still.
And, uh, any other thoughts,
you guys maybe thoughts on
directions you wanna go from here?
'cause I feel like it might be valuable to
jump into the body archetypes
and keep coming back
to the mind archetypes through that exploration.
I like that. Yeah.
Well, we have the mind, so we have to base all
of our assumptions on
what we've gleaned from the mind when we
journey into the body and the spirit.
So we're, we're gonna constantly be coming back
because this is how we explain
what we're, what we don't know.
Yep. I do think it is a critical point looking at like
how to embody or per
or become the persona of these archetypes.
But we've kind of touched that on that today.
I mean, we could do a little more
and like Andrew was mentioning too, like come up
with specific scenarios and analyze it that way.
But I don't know if we'd get too much more benefit out
of it, but it would show examples of how to embody 'em.
Yeah, I would love to do that, but we could
also do that. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. We we could do that for the next one too.
It's just a matter of coming up with this, uh,
prepar preparation work.
Uh, maybe we should get together and do that. Yeah. But yes,
That's a good idea.
I think talking about challenges too, again,
I really like the idea of delivering practical,
usable information to people.
And I don't want to be too presumptuous,
but knowing you guys sort of the way that I do,
I wouldn't describe any of the four of us as
immensely challenged in life per se.
Not to say that we have not encountered a lot of challenge,
but I certainly have not encountered you guys since I've
known you to be fraught in ways
that certainly I used to be in life.
Um, so we've got challenges that we can draw on,
but we can also draw on other,
so-called objective challenges
that people might face in life
and say, how could you possibly approach this?
How could this happen? Let's talk about the standardized
unconscious reaction and,
and why a cycle like this might continue.
And then talk about how we start to shift perspectives
and draw on these archetypes to allow us
to see this thing from a new angle so
that someone can now maybe release, you know,
that underlying belief that's bringing that kind
of experience into their, their awareness.
Yeah. It's certainly a relative concept considering
how many people in this country don't even have to
work hard to get food.
It's just food is so everywhere.
Um, you know, leisure time is so available now too.
It's, it's the people are working hard,
but yeah, I feel very privileged.
I think that if we, we get together
and we start, uh, doing, doing like the exercise of
trying to think of the embodiment of the archetypes and,
and have that, have that conversation,
the examples are gonna come to us.
Yeah. We're, we're gonna think of the things
that happened in our own lives
and then we can even, you know, play them out
to their ultimate complexity. Right.
And say, what would this look like?
Like okay, we can all kind of agree this is sort of
what it looks like kind of by default
or maybe where I've been before
or where we see other people, but then say, okay,
using our alignment, what we do know,
what's the best case scenario here?
And then back our way into landing at that.
We know what a balanced perspective is.
We know what that forgiveness and that inclusion looks like.
Let's back our way into that
and see what some of these core underlying belief systems
are that are constantly leading us to encounter, you know,
such similar catalyst.
Yeah. I think that, that that'll definitely be
better done in person.
I mean, we can obviously do it on this,
but one sit down session where we hash out the,
the example or examples that we wanna apply.
'cause you know, like I said, we're gonna have to come up
with examples for the spirit and the body
because we have no sessions about it.
So we're gonna have to, you know, metaphorically apply
what we know about the mind to the rest.
Yeah. Alright, thank you guys for joining.
See you.