Any other news,
anything you wanna mention before we start the four Bowl meeting?
No, Andrew's probably got something
from what I heard through the text.
Um, yeah, I had another, um,
pretty profound journey on Friday that was, um,
pretty interesting. I'm not sure yet how to, uh, to characterize it,
but there was a definite, um,
experience of feeling outside of space and time for sure.
Definitely felt interdimensional. Um,
also incredibly positive. Um,
similar in some ways to, uh, that previous experience,
and then also very different in a lot of ways. Um,
it was almost a rebirth in a way,
is sort of how it felt because I got to the point where every word that I was
saying felt like a brand new discovery.
I was literally rediscovering language from the ground up.
And so concepts and things that I had typically known were were gone and
foreign. Um, but it didn't, it didn't bother me at all. It all felt, um,
wonderful. Like literally like,
I was just in wonder at discovering every new thought.
And a lot of the thoughts seemed to be almost evasive.
And that's what was so weird. I was like, I had this,
this knowing that there's this function,
this cognitive ability that's normally really present and, and sharp.
And yet as I'm trying to find words,
literally had the sense that they're sort of moving around and, um,
and debating my, uh, my awareness. So it was pretty, pretty fascinating
Just to announce to everybody again that, um, yeah,
Nathan can't make it this time because his brother passed away.
So we sent our thoughts and prayers to Nathan and his family, um,
and Nathan has had proposed that we talk about. And it's interesting, you know,
initiation can come in many forms of intense life experience,
and that's one of the things that we talked about covering today. Yeah. Um,
so maybe I could even ask what,
so there's an element to me that, um, you know, I, I don't know if,
um,
calling myself an adept or saying I'm seeking adept hood is itself a distraction
because of the fact that, you know,
who is this seemingly separate person who isn't just, um,
just a humble seeker, you know? And then the, the end goal is,
is the one inny creator, which is also something we'll talk about the,
the difference between the, the creator and the individual.
Um, but do you have, do you guys have any thoughts on the, just the,
the word itself? What, what is an adept?
I tend to think of the adep as
the being who is intentional about progressing on the path,
which happens regardless. The the path will progress. It's just a matter of,
um, how efficaciously we go about doing that,
and how challenging or difficult or how repetitive those lessons are that we
need to, to deal with the, the adep is, um,
I see as the alchemist more or less, um,
somebody who's decided that they can figure this out and is gonna get real
deliberate about doing that.
Yeah.
Yeah. I agree. The, uh, and uh, is it, Trish said it too,
someone seeking the creator consciously. I think that the, the problem that,
um,
when you have this conversation with people where it can get lost in translation
is you are saying the adept,
which just the word at least in my mind, kind of has this,
um, like a master electrician.
They've already done the learning and now they're a master electrician.
But an adept just means that you're going through the seeking process.
Uh, it doesn't mean that you're already there.
And I think that some people get hung up on that. Like, oh,
you consider yourself an adept, you're already above everything and beyond,
like, no, no. An adept is someone that's in the process of seeking.
And it's like they say this, that playing the sitar is the lesson of a lifetime.
No one ever becomes a master of the sitar.
You just get better and better and better at it.
Yeah, I, I would agree that adept hood though is, is on the way to self-mastery.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the, the line is, whether that's harvestability or,
you know, whether we want to try to describe that metaly. But I would say that,
um, the adept certainly, um,
probably has a more, um,
a stronger sense of how much they don't know, I imagine, um,
than the master. By the time you become a master,
you probably then know everything, I imagine. Um,
so yeah, that would probably be one differentiating quality.
Yeah. And, uh, a person can be an adept at different things.
So I guess clarifying that, well, for example, in the, the,
the quotation about the transformation of the spirit,
they say that w what we're doing is we're, um,
disciplining our consciousness by will and faith.
So the,
the desire for discipline seems to be the core of what we're talking about
with, with this, this quest for seeking the creator.
Yeah, I was going down the rabbit hole, the discipline personality a little bit,
cuz that was mentioned in, um, one of the passages that you provided.
So I went and searched on just that because they had mentioned something about,
as we've mentioned about the discipline personality.
And I tried to get a better understanding of what that is. And, um,
I think Don took a, a swing at it and Ross said, maybe close,
but no cigar. And,
Uh, we could jump into that one actually to start with.
That might be good to start with. I was gonna start with the, uh,
energy center systems initially, but I think this is probably a simpler, um,
which one was that now? 74.
74 11.
So they had mentioned the disciplines of the personality,
I think before this time. Um,
They did, uh,
And I think this was more of a clarification though, when they,
when they said it this way, so I'll just read this one.
So Ra don asked, what,
what I'm trying to get at is how these disciplines affect the energy centers and
the power, shall I say, of the white magician. Can you tell me how that works?
Ross says, the heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One,
know yourself, two, accept yourself. Three, become the creator.
And I think we might have even referenced this at the, at the very first, um,
episode of this where we talked about the, um, session five,
where they talked about the, um,
the importance of balancing. And the, the first step in balancing is,
um, knowing the self and understanding that balance needed through,
um, understanding the emotions that, that you're going through,
and understanding that there's an opposite to that.
So I think that was a part of the knowing, knowing the self, um,
and then accepting the self was also included in those balancing exercises.
So it's knowing the self, accepting the self,
and then the third step becoming the creator is a little bit more, um,
esoteric, I guess. Yeah,
I was gonna say, it seems a little nuanced there. Yeah.
Well, and I also think that, that this is a good way of them saying that like,
the adept is a work in progress because you never become the
creator until you're done this journey of individuality, you know,
this whole journey of
witnessing consciousness at play through one individual, uh, lens, you know,
while still being a portion of the creator, you know, it's not over until it,
or you can't actually become the creator fully until you, you know,
go back to that, that realm.
I think that step two there,
accepting the self is also a big differentiating factor between the adept and
your average person, because Yeah, they're,
they're not very accepting of the self or other selves, which yeah.
To have the same, the same coin. Mm-hmm.
So they do, they do cover the third step here.
They say the third step is that which when accomplished renders one the most
humble servant of all transparent and personality and completely
able to know and accept other selves.
So
We could stop right there and, and, and, and say that it seems like, you know,
a person who's an adept at being a servant of all might not look like they're,
they're trying to be the best at anything.
They may look like they're just trying to be of service.
Yeah.
What do you mean? What are you supposed transparent in personality means?
Oh, I love that. Um, well, it's interesting that we could ask,
well,
I think at another point in the material they say a transparent personality
allows someone else to see themselves in that person. And it could,
it could mean that that's seeing God. Um,
and that that's probably a study in itself.
I wonder how how many places they use the word, um, transparent. But, but,
but one way I look at it is that every distortion in our energy centers is
probably like an, an aspect of opaqueness, right? That there's,
there's something we cannot see through because we're looking at some belief and
separation that is manifest. And so when you're seeing through that,
that separate identity, you're seeing yourself in them,
you're seeing the creator in them, and you see that this is actually you,
but that could just mean a person who's full of love and not blocked by
anything.
Yeah. I tend to wonder if this affects how we see other people.
I think I've probably mentioned this recently, or, or in other contexts,
but in recent years I've begun to find people
so much nicer.
And I've started to wonder recently if that's my ability to see that
that's changed. It's not that people are getting nicer,
it's that that's now what I'm more aware of than,
than anything else.
And I think they reflect back onto you as you become a more loving,
uh, you know, if you wanna use the word nice, how whatever word you want to use,
as you become more of that, you radiate that out,
and then it allows people to radiate that back. Yeah.
You know, if you,
if you come into situations and you're not trying to hide anything, you know,
you're transparent. You, you're showing all your cards on the table, you,
you lack things that other people might have, you know, like guilt and,
and, uh, a lack of love for the se for themselves.
And when you go through life with that as your, you know, your persona,
your front facing bit that you meet the world with,
then they look at it and they, you know, people see it,
whether they perceive it consciously or not, people see that.
And when you're completely transparent and you, you have that s you know,
just overwhelming sense of wellbeing about yourself and the world and all that,
you put that out into the world and you definitely receive it back.
Yeah. I think the transparency is an effect of the acceptance actually,
if you think about it, is the opposite of transparency in your personality.
Is that what you would hide? Mm-hmm.
And you would hide that which you don't accept. Yep.
And so as you accept the self, then transparency of personality emerges.
Yep. You drop all that guilt and,
and all that crap that you were not transparent about.
Right. It, to me, it, it's, it says vulnerability.
That's what transparency of personality is.
But vulnerability is one of those things that,
that I think don't actually exist. Um,
or to fully embrace vulnerability is actually to understand yourself
as, as perfectly invincible. And, and therefore, you know,
there's, there's nothing that you can't expose because you,
you're impervious to attack.
Yeah. Yeah.
So we can dive in more to, uh, where they're going with this. Yeah. Um,
in relation to the pursuit of the magical working,
the continuing discipline of the personality,
the continuing discipline involves the adapt in knowing itself,
accepting itself,
and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the creator.
So when they reference indigo here, they're talking about the third eye, uh,
chakra.
So they're suggesting that knowing the self-accepting the self is clearing out
the, the chakra blockages.
I guess that that would lead up to the great indigo gateway to the creator,
um, to become the creator is to become all that there is.
So I guess they're likening becoming the creator to fully activating the energy
center system, the chakra system,
and opening the gateway two intelligent affinity.
Um, so to become the creator is to become all that there is,
there is then no personality in the sense with which the adep begins.
Its learned teaching as the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystal
and more work may be done. More baby,
more baby expressed from intelligent infinity.
Wow.
There's then no personality in the sense with which the adep begins.
It's learned teaching. How do you interpret that?
I've, I that's like, you know, the,
the energy center system is completely cleaned. And what is a personality?
Even a personality is the distortions distortion.
Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. That's sort of the annihilation of, of the ego is what it,
I think that's what you were talking about at the beginning.
Yeah.
In the middle of your journey. You know, you were, you were, you were,
that you were no personality and you,
but you still had this distant connection to the personality. Right? So that's,
that's where the whole, that's where the whole, like,
I know I know these words and I'm gonna use these words to,
to put my thoughts out into the universe,
but how do I know these words and what do these words mean? And I think that's,
that's where the disconnect between the personality and, uh,
no personality was you were, you were almost in that juxtaposed position. You,
you were, you were closer to no personality,
but beginning to remember personality.
Yeah. And I would,
I would say that was certainly very present during my last major
experience. Um, that was also the case when,
when that energy was present, there was, there was a very, um,
there was very much a void or an absence of, of self and,
and other energies.
So let's, let's dive into more of what they say about the indigo.
I feel like that's kind of central to this discussion. Um,
so in session 39,
they were, they were asked about the, um,
the evolution of the bodily energy centers. Um,
could you describe the process of evolution of these energy centers?
And we can skip ahead to, um, the indigo ray here,
although maybe we could, I think we touched on this in a previous, um,
recording too. Um, well, we can start with the green ray here.
They say the, um, When the green ray has been activated,
we find the third primary ray, um, being able to begin potentiation.
Um,
this is the first true spiritual ray in that all transfers are of an integrated
mind, body, spirit, nature, the blue ray seats,
the learn teachings of the spirit and each density within the mind body complex
animating the whole, communicating to others this entirety of beingness.
And then the indigo ray,
though precious is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it.
So you have to be seeking and discipline way in order to get to the
work with the third eye. It would seem,
Um, you know, I want to,
I want to agree with that.
And yet it seems in my experience,
I know a lot of people who seem naturally open
and have a pretty active third eye experience,
though I would say that, you know,
statistically just as many of them
are not seekers as are, um,
Well maybe they're not really working on it, they're just,
they're just using it as it was. Yeah. The distorted form.
Yeah. I can see that. Mm-hmm.
Doesn't,
don't they mention that at some point where they talk about there are two,
two ways to use, uh,
there are two ways to do something. And they referenced, uh,
Don and the group is one, one that actively seeks and one that does it,
and then one that just kind of falls into it. Am I,
am I remembering this correctly at some point?
Say that again.
At some, some point in the, in the sessions they say something like,
they differentiate between people that are actively seeking and
trying to use, uh, that knowledge to better, uh,
the planetary vibration.
And some people that just kind of fall into it and they may not be actively
using it in, in any way, shape or form.
I think I have a vague memory of that.
Yeah. Cuz they actually re I think bra actually references the group.
He says there are two ways to do it.
One is the way that you guys are doing it where you're actively seeking.
But I can't remember exactly where it is, but I, it, it,
it it's somewhere in there. And, and it's, I think,
speaks to what Andrew's saying that, you know, some people just kind of, and,
and I think that that might even be a working of people's past, you know,
past selves where they,
they came into a body that was kind of already two steps ahead in the process.
And without even knowing it, they're kind of going through the process.
Like your higher self chose it for you, uh,
for you this incarnation before you're even aware of it.
Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely, um,
a discussion of that where before people were born,
they can be un unable to understand their lessons and then the higher self is
doing more of that heavy lifting of the programming until a person can take the
reins and,
and start to choose consciously that they want to evolve in a particular way.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, um,
back to the discussion of the, the indigo ray. Um,
it is the gateway to intelligent infinity,
bringing intelligent energy through this is the energy center worked
upon,
and those teachings considered inner hidden on oc cult where this ray is that
which is infinite in its possibilities
as you're aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the creator in any way,
which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced,
are those activities which are indigo ray,
So
Heal, teach, and work for the creator
And radiant and balanced. So
do you have any examples of who, who are the radiant people in our society?
I don't know.
I think a lot of people fall into a lot of roads that have already been well
traveled. Um, and some, there are some, um, Christian teachers, for example,
who are like completely broken away from mainstream Christianity. Um,
there's, there's a fun person named Kevin Zai, for example, um,
that my uncle talks about, um, who had this crazy, um,
near death experience where he went to heaven and he met Jesus and he's,
he comes back and he,
he's getting like downloads all the time and he has like a different perspective
on like a lot of aspects of, of, uh, Christian teachings and theology. But,
but it's interesting how, um, you know, there's, there, there,
there's kind of like some,
some barrier that people get past where you're no longer just trying to
go through the motions and you're actually, you're, you're like co-creating our,
the reality because of this inspirational energy that's coming through you.
So I think there's a lot of teachers who've reached that stage.
Yeah. I feel like Radiance has as much to do with,
um, sort of the broadcast really that you're in,
in doing your healing or your teaching or your work. Um,
like maybe almost literally are you, um,
are you doing this with the intention of this vibration, you know, going out?
Or do you have any fear around that? Like,
if you're a healer who's also afraid of, of judgment or things like that,
you may not be as radiant because you might be trying to hide what it is that
you're doing. The balanced aspect is also pretty interesting because I,
I wonder sort of which polarity they might be referring to with this
type of balance. If this is for example,
the balance between mercy and justice or, um,
love and severity on the tree of life, then, um,
that's kind of interesting cuz I normally think of, you know,
complete selflessness almost, you know, to the, to the degree of martyrdom in,
in giving and being in service, though, um,
the Tree of Life teaches that being imbalanced toward that distortion is,
uh, weakness is, you know, the word that they,
that they use and perhaps some level of control or,
um,
constraint needs to be applied to the force of mercy and
unconditional love.
I think that in one of these quotes,
they do draw a distinction between balance and polarization.
Um, yeah. So, um,
the indigo ray is open only through considerable discipline and practice,
largely having to do with acceptance of self,
not only as the polarized and a balanced self, but as the creator,
as an entity of infinite worth. So it would suggest that, you know,
having an open heart and working fully selflessly the,
I guess the balance comes in with, with wisdom then, um,
and the wisdom of the use of the love, I guess would, would be, um,
not not over overdoing it with any particular aspect.
And it's what you're, what you're describing, I think with the free of life. Oh,
which
Is, which is interesting because that pillar,
the right pillar where love is is also called the pillar of wisdom.
And the other one is understanding, which is what Homa and bina,
which are the tops of those pillars are.
And so it makes perfect sense to that would balance that out.
And yet wisdom comes from the same pillar. Um,
so that could be, um, you know, um, semantics though.
So
Yeah. Who knows what, uh,
the differences between understanding and wisdom in our lexicon.
Right. I
Think generally the, the, the difference is, I mean, understanding,
you can understand that you, you know,
shouldn't smoke three packs a day, but you still do,
you know, the wisdom would be implementing it.
Mm-hmm.
So you can know something, you know, to be true, but still not do it.
But the wisdom comes when you, when you start to implement it.
Yeah, I would agree with that because the colo, or I should say the,
the hermetic lineage anyway, uh,
teaches something called the pyramid of progression.
And that's where you start with knowledge and through experience that becomes
understanding. And then as it's applied, you know,
having converted into understanding it becomes wisdom.
And then you empty your cup and fall on your face and start over again.
But every time you start over again, this pyramid is elevating,
you never go back down to the same level where you started,
even though it always feels that way.
And that's what I usually try to remind friends when they're going through
challenges is, um, and they'll be caught off guard, you know, like, oh,
why is this so difficult? Um, all of a sudden I, you know,
I really felt like I had it all under control. I was just in a flow state.
And it's like, yeah, that's kind of how it works, you know,
then you're ready for the next challenge.
And they speak about, um, trying to look through my notes,
but they talk about how the adept uh,
the best way that they can help the creator is to have the experience
and one of these,
Yeah, that was in one of the ones from this morning or from the mic list.
All right. We can continue on then. Let's, uh, let's move on to 74. Um,
yeah, I think there were a few disclaimers they wanted to put in here too. Um,
so they say in 74.6, um,
the Indigo Center is indeed the most important work for the adapt. However,
it cannot, no matter how crystallized correct, to any extent whatsoever,
imbalances or blockages in, in other energy centers,
it must be cleared sirk,
which means point by 0.1 after another from red upwards.
So most of the work that people are always doing is,
is work in lower energy centers.
I think just continuously keep keeping those disciplined and refined and
crystallized. And then,
And you do find that, um, or I found, found anyway that people are, um,
gravitated. I mean, just like we are in sort of in our awareness and the,
the archetypes and we all kinda represent different aspects of those. Um,
I find the same here that peop some people are gravitated towards the upper
spiritual centers and have a little trouble staying rooted and connected and,
and other people are the opposite.
Yeah. The Indian, uh,
philosophy calls them the people that are more rooted in the, and this is a,
a crude generalization for anybody that may be watching that truly knows,
but like the Vata people are those people that are more heady and they're,
they may not be, uh, grounded.
And the kafa people may be those people that are too grounded and not heady
enough. And they always talk about a balance between the three, the Vata, Pitta,
and the Kafa. And that, that seems like it's what they're talking about here.
You know, you have to have red, orange,
yellow balanced to use the green springboard to then go to the higher
ones. But it starts with, you know, you,
you have to have that solid base balanced in order to go go on beyond that.
Yep. That is what they say.
Minimal adequacy though, which is interesting.
It's not that you have to master those lower energy centers,
it's that you need to balance them with minimal adequacy.
Yeah. Let me read this whole thing now. Session 75 said, uh, the question was,
um, you made a statement that the true a adapt lives more and more as it is,
will we expand upon that statement? And Ross said, each entity is the creator.
The entity. As it becomes more and more conscious of itself,
gradually comes to the turning point at which it determines to seek either in
service to others or in service to self.
The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy,
the energy centers of red, orange, yellow, and blue,
with the addition of the green for positive. Thus moving into indigo work.
The EP then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work having to do with
function and begins to affect the inner work, which to do with being.
And they've also referred to that as the relationship between space,
time and time space, uh,
space time is the outer work time space is the inner work of the metaphysical
dimensions.
As the add up becomes more and more consciously crystallized a,
a co a more and more crystallized entity,
a gradually manifests more and more of that,
which it always has been since before time. That is the one infinite creator
That's kind of interesting.
It gradually manifests more and more of the one infinite creator
as opposed to, I mean,
anything that it manifests anyway is automatically the one infinite creator.
Anyway.
So is this really just saying that we are now then manifesting more and more,
Period? It's like more light. It's like the,
the the the light switch is turning on more and more and then you're seeing
more, I guess.
Yeah, I think they, I think they're, they're also talking about cuz they're,
they're mentioning as the adept becomes, uh, more consciously crystallized.
Um, the, that is the,
the more consciously crystallized red, orange, yellow being,
um, you know, red being like, shelter, do I have adequate shelter?
Do I have to worry about that? And then orange being, am I okay with myself?
Do I worry about that? And then yellow being,
am I okay with society and my place in society?
And if you have those three balanced and you're okay with those three things,
then those are all corporeal. They're all of this world.
You know,
if you can be okay with these three things and then use that to springboard,
I mean good or evil,
because they specifically say for the positive,
you can then use green.
But if you're okay with those three physical things,
whether you're good or evil, you can then springboard ahead.
And then once you springboard ahead,
you're jumping from the worries and woes of the physical world
into the manifestation of, uh, what you want around you.
So when he says, um, can, can you scroll a little bit, Mike,
so I can see the bottom there? He says, thank you. He says, uh,
the adept becomes more and more consciously crystallized entity and gradually
manifest more and more of the one in creator. So it's like you're,
you're manifesting less within the first three chakras and the worries of the
physical world, and you're manifesting of the higher up,
you're manifesting of that, which is the one infinite creator.
You're already taking care of survival,
you're already taken care of yourself and you're already taken care of
societally.
Mm-hmm. Right.
Yeah. There's a lot to process on this one. Um, the crystallization concept is,
did you guys think about the crystallization on the energy center as much?
I feel like, um, there's, there's times when I've known that. Like I,
I go back into a state of fear on something in, in the past. It's like I,
I can tell that I've been hit by something and that it's like,
there's like a leg that was knocked out from under me where I,
I was normally having a really good day for, for like a,
a week straight or something. And then suddenly I'm,
I'm in like a downward spiral and it's like whatever that was,
is clearly not crystallized in my energy center system. But then when I rebuild,
re rebuild the, the pieces of my, my faith, I guess my, um,
sense of self, my sense of wellbeing when it, when,
when that piece together again, I can build the structure of my mind,
my subconscious mind in a way that is more of a rigid structure and is more of a
crystallization to it, as I become less and less vulnerable to the,
the things that knocked me off course previously, now it's,
now it's this crystalin thing and my, uh,
belief and subconscious thought structure that,
that keeps me more steady and balanced in an open-hearted space to continue in
that, in that way.
I think that has a lot to do with what Andrew was saying earlier where,
you know,
you fill the cup and then you emptied the cup out because you've gotten to that
point so that you can have the next experience so that you can crystallize
again, and then you, uh,
you lose a little crystallization so that you can observe the next experience
and there and, and so on and so on. Like, um, you know, like the, it,
it's, it's a funny stupid example, but I remember an old video game,
you'd play basketball and as the,
the player kept hitting shots and nailing shots, they'd be like,
he's heating up. And I figured that like, you're crystallized on the,
on the bottom three, and then you're like,
he's heating up and then you just jump to the next major conflict and be like,
okay, well now these are all broken down again. Heat 'em up again.
Yeah.
82.3 talks a little bit too mentioned, uh,
you reminded me when you mentioned architecture or, um,
that it says however the arch must be in place before the structure is builded.
Um, but this has to do with, uh,
doing the work and disciplines of the personality.
I don't remember if that was on your list or if I found that this morning when I
was searching for that. Um, but it's very much about acceptance.
Uh, we can look at this. Um, the question was, um,
I should read the whole question here, Don. So Jim asked,
it seems that my balancing work has shifted more from more peripheral concerns,
such as patients and patients to learning to open myself in an unconditional
love, to accepting myself as whole imperfect,
and then to accepting myself as the creator.
If this is a normal progression of focus for balancing,
wouldn't it be more efficient once this is discovered for a person to work on
the acceptance of selfless creator rather than work peripherally on a secondary
and tertiary results of not accepting the self?
And Ross said the term efficiency has mis misleading connotations and the
context of doing work in the disciplines of personality,
in order to be of more full efficiency in the central acceptance of the self,
it is first quite necessary to know the distortions of the cell,
which the entity is accepting each thought and action needs
must then be scrutinized for the precise foundation of the distortions of any
reactions. This process shall lead to the more central task of acceptance.
However, the arch architrave, which says in classical literature,
the lower most part of a tablature resulting resting directly on the top of the
columns. Um,
so the arch architrave must be in place before the structure is builded.
So I think that definitely relates to this,
what we're talking about with the crystallization.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah, it's kinda like they, they're, they're not,
they're not laying out do this, this, then this, then this, you know,
they're saying like, well, what do you mean by full efficiency? You, the, the,
the end goal is the end goal, build the foundation,
and then how you get there is how you get there.
Well, I think what they're, what they're saying, Jim is saying, Hey,
if I can just know that I need to accept myself as creator,
can I just slip straight to that?
And I think what RA is saying is that first you need to understand why you don't
accept yourself as creator,
and that's what these thoughts and actions are gonna highlight to you.
You're gonna have distortions and reactions and biases and emotional responses,
and they need to come up and,
and be expressed in order for you to accept them.
Yeah. Yeah.
These are the dormant blockages and distortions in the energy centers that are
mostly of the red, orange, and yellow,
I would assume mainly mostly orange and yellow. That,
that we have to understand to fully, fully unblock and unam the, the,
the flow that, that leads us to the higher activations. I think
Also interesting that I didn't realize that, I didn't see the, um,
the footnote there on the arch architrave, but, um,
it's interesting that it's saying that this thing that sits on top of columns,
which would tell me that it's therefore towards the top of the building,
has to be in place before the structure is built.
So they're not saying a foundation has to be in place before the structure is
built. And they're saying the, the ceiling,
Maybe I, maybe I should do,
do a search here on the internet and see what they say here,
a main beam resting across the tops of columns,
specifically the lower third in temperature.
I, maybe I need a diagram of this too. Here we go.
I'll just open this in a different tab here.
Yeah.
So the ArcHa tribe trave is the lower third of the portion that's sitting on top
of the column to support the ceiling, I guess.
Right. Um,
so I can't tell of course if it goes all the way across or if it's just
something that goes from column to column,
but in either case it's saying that it needs to be in place before the structure
can be built.
Yeah. It looks like it goes across.
Mm-hmm.
So I don't know if we're supposed to, um,
if there's anything implicit in that or not,
but obviously according to our normal logic,
we wouldn't say that something that goes up high would need to be in place
before we can build a structure.
Unless they're talking about something above it being the important thing to
build.
That could be too.
Yeah. Well, maybe that's another study before we touch that again.
Yeah.
Um, so we were go jumping back a bit.
We were talking about,
Wait a minute, he hold one sec before we go forward, because he was asking,
he was asking if he, if he needs to know the self, is that what it was?
If I need to know the self, can I not just skip to knowing the self?
Is that what he said?
Knowing the self as creator?
Yeah. And so I, I think what they're saying is that, you know,
there's other things more fundamental that you have to know before
you can just throw that on.
Right.
Yeah. I do think that they're saying that. I'm, I'm, yeah,
we just sort of splitting hairs on the architectural front here,
but I think Yeah,
They didn't say the columns have to be in place. They said theary,
which is the thing that crosses over the columns.
Yeah, exactly. So there's the foundation, the columns, you know, there's,
there's some more fundamental stuff under there.
Yeah.
Right. And yet we're, we're talking about activating a chakra that's higher up,
but really they're saying here that the lower ones need to be dealt with
first.
So the analogy just seems a little bit off in this case, but,
um, I don't, I don't need to read more into that.
I'm sorry. Have you, you read book?
Yeah. Um, so th this puts emphasis on the note.
And by the way, people should know that, um, Toby Wheelock,
who runs this website has made it so that if you go to law of
one, instead of law one info just law o f dot o n e,
that will automatically turn on the options that will turn on the notes
and the, um, the audio icons ah,
and the catalog. Yeah.
And that, that note isn't in the book.
Yeah. I didn't realize that. That's cool. Yeah,
That's cool that it's, uh, it's constantly evolving.
We just need that reference manual.
Doesn't he reference a reference manual a couple times in the footnotes and the
reference manual still isn't out?
I don't know about that. I think they released, uh,
part of the reference manual Manual. They,
They released like a,
an index manual where you could look up topics and it would tell you where like
a paper version of what the website is.
Maybe we should just look at their website and see what they got now.
I think they, they did release something.
Did they? Yeah. I gotta pick that up then.
Yeah. So if we go to, um,
library, you know, books will browser our publications here. So they've got,
uh, the raw Contact resource series is the new newest one.
Oh. The
Raw Contact Resource series offers a means by which inspired scholars and
seekers may reflect upon the meaning of the loved one. It's rich potentials,
it's rich potentials for application in our daily lives.
So they put a lot of interesting, uh, concepts in here, um, that,
that we're worthy of expanding on.
And look at that. They have a section for the adept
right at the beginning.
Well, good thing my birthday's coming up in August.
Wow. That's neat.
Yeah. I haven't gone through all this yet, but I think Nathan maybe has,
so maybe we'll, we'll, uh, dig into his brain, see what,
what he thinks about this
While they even go into the Kundalini and all that.
Yeah.
When did this come out?
What is that? This came out 2020.
Okay. Yeah. Cause Mike, I remember when you had,
when you threw the Ascension Summit, I remember asking you, now I know you,
your head was going a million different ways cuz you were coordinate that whole
thing. But I asked you at one point, where's the resource manual?
Because they reference it and you said you should talk to them.
Cause I don't think it's out yet. Yeah. And but the,
when was the Ascension summit? Was that
Two one? I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't remember when the timing of all this.
Um,
Yeah. Yeah. Nice. That's, uh, I'm gonna have to pick that up.
And I, they, they may have intended to have more than this too. Um,
that might not be referenced. They, there might be notes in the, the,
the newest volumes,
the Rock Contact have more of these notes that reference this.
And Law of One Info is kind of a separate resource with separate notes. Yeah.
They didn't really coordinate on the notes, although they probably should.
They probably should. Um, but
it's, it is his own, its own personal.
Toby Wheelock who decided to make this website and make it the best he could for
his own personal use. And it was kind of just, they,
he got permission to have the copyright for this particular website.
And all research is organizations doing everything else.
Nice.
All right. We could jump back into it now. Um, so
74.8. Um,
yeah. So, so there was a question here.
How do disciplines of the personality feed the indigo ray energy center and
affect the power of the white magician? Does this question make sense?
And Ross said yes. And then the next one answered it. They said,
we would be happy to answer this query.
We understood the previous query as being of other import, the Indigo query,
or May, what was the other query? Um,
I guess that one doesn't, doesn't matter now. Um,
the indigo ray is the ray of the adept.
A great deal of the answer you seek is in the sentence.
There is an identification between the crystallization of that energy center and
the improvement of the working of the mind, body,
spirit as it begins to transcend space time balancing and to enter the
combined realms of space time and time space.
So this is re referring to the outer work and the inner work, like I said,
with space time being outer work and time, space being the inner work.
And so this is transcending the balancing of the outer work and entering the
combined realms. And I think they also say at other points,
this is something that happens in the fourth density when people are able
to see into the metaphysical dimensions without the veil.
Then there's an automatic processing of the metaphysical energies at the same
time as the physical energies together.
And this is something I also think dreams, um,
are a part of our processing of the time space realms,
the be physical energies.
So it's as though the thing that's happening when we're dreaming,
what we're working on in that plane is what we're working on more consciously as
we work on the third eye center.
Mm-hmm. And I, I also think that dreams, uh,
that they show you things that you may be missing as you,
as you consciously go through life and you're consciously working on things.
You know, no matter how adept you are,
there's always things that you're missing.
And I think the dreams kinda kind of like, Hey, remember, remember this.
Don't forget this.
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's,
it's, I don't know, I I, I know Andrew says he, he can't remember his dreams,
but I think that a lot of work gets done unlike our metaphysical energies in the
dream state. Mm-hmm. And it's, it's, it's seems to be like when I have a,
a dream that I remember strongly, it seems like it was in,
it was like I was really needing that.
And it's almost like there's some kind of a switch that is being flipped by my
guides or something. Yeah. Or that I wake up at a funky time, for example,
where, where I don't, wouldn't normally wake up in the middle of the night,
but when I wake up in the middle of the night, I can remember a,
a particular dream much more strongly then. And then it's like, oh yeah,
I gotta pay attention to that one.
Mm-hmm. Cause
That's something I hadn't been dealing with properly.
Yeah.
Yeah. Why?
I don't remember my dreams anymore, but, um, did have a,
a friend of ours,
a medium say that she checked in on me one time while I was sleeping and said
that I was meditating and sort of in this, you know,
like golden white light and just, you know,
in this sort of Budapest kind of meditation.
So I have no idea if that's what I'm actually doing when I sleep or not.
Mm-hmm.
So do you guys feel like you have a sense of the,
the nature of the metaphysical dimensions of the time space?
I think the psychedelics give us insight too. Yeah,
Exactly. I would say that cause of psychedelics,
I have some very small grasp of that,
but certainly far more so than I ever would've before.
Yeah. I think that you can, uh, psychedelics are, are a good way.
I think that if you can get, um, to a,
a a point of being able to meditate really well, it's another way to do it.
I know I've had times where, um,
especially when I've had like lead meditations by, by very,
you know, knowledgeable people where I've sat there, I,
I sat in meditation one time for two hours. When we came out of it,
it seemed like 15 minutes. Everybody looked at their their clock and was like,
oh my God, that that was two hours. I can't.
And I think that that right there by definition is when you get out of the place
where time takes place linearly,
and you go to that place where it seems to happen, everything happens at,
at the same instance,
and then you crash back down into space time and you're like,
where do those two hours go? Oh my god.
Yeah. Yeah. Time feels very different.
I agree. I think that meditation is certainly a way to,
to get there.
And I think with a lot of discipline and a lot of practice that that's what's
available. On the other side of that,
I'm just glad that there's another path to it that allows us to experience it a
little bit more often without, you know,
committing to 10 years of dedicated meditation practice.
And I think this is really related to a lot of, uh, psychic work that,
you know,
if people are able to get a sense of something that's about to happen in the
future,
or they develop a dialogue with guides that are guiding them,
um,
to make the right choices without them knowing why they're making those choices,
but just feeling guided to make those choices.
I think that's walking more into this other realm where you're receiving the
information through the,
the indigo ray for reasons which may be increasingly abstract to you.
They might not have a tangible physical, you know,
visual framework for why you're making these decisions.
But the indigo work might be actually understanding that more and more and,
and then maybe working with guides on the, the process of putting together,
um, I, I guess the higher, the higher concepts that you're using to,
to make decisions from and to, um, have the insight necessary to make decisions.
And then, and even talk about that later on or in another one of the, um,
sections that you brought,
I think with the upward spiral of light and downward and the downward spiral of
light being those, um, insights and
downloads, for lack of a better way to put it.
Do you remember which one was that?
Um,
73.8 to 73 point 11
where they say upper spiraling light is the,
is like parasympathetic calling of the adept like nerves. Um,
uh,
calling of the adept is like nerves and muscle that the mind body spear complex
has conscious control. Is that the way you talk
About? Yeah. Yeah. I like that. By the way,
I'm not sure if this is exactly what it's saying. And yet, um,
these two aspects of consciousness in the kundalini in,
in which one is it gravitates, I think is,
is almost the best way to put the upward spiral of light in that it's just,
it can't not go up on its own.
And that's what they describe as more or less involuntary.
And I don't know if the calling of the adept is also what's then calling down
the light, um, through the crown chakra or not,
but it would kind of make sense that, or at least I could understand how,
you know, one half of this function is sort of involuntary and the other one has
everything to do with the will. Um, but it is,
I think in the section just below, it's either in nine,
10 or 11 where it has that other quote.
Yeah. This was jumping into this, uh, subject of visuals visualization down in,
um, uh, 7 73 point 11. Let me, let me read this though,
for people listening. Um, the question was,
will you speak of the difference between the spiraling light that enters through
the feet and the light invoked through the crown chakra?
And Ross had the action of the upward spiraling light drawn by the will to meet
the inner light of the one infinite creator may be likened to the beating of the
heart and the movement of the muscle surrounding the lungs and all other
functions of the parasympathetic ne nervous system,
which we talked about in a previous, uh, recording about how that's related to,
um, or no? Am I thinking of that? The same one? Um,
the sympathetic relating to the, the heart though is interesting.
The word sympathy sympathetic vibration. Yeah.
That was the other one we're talking about. Was they,
they used the word sympathetic vibration.
I didn't make the connection till just now this is probably a separate, um,
quote that could be related. The sympathetic vibration was discussed.
Yeah. The gateway tone, child affinity is, shall we say,
the sympathetic vibration and balanced state accompanying the wheel to serve the
wheel to seek. And then in this one they're saying,
um,
drawn the upward spiraling light is drawn by the wheel to meet the inner light
of the one creator,
which is likened to the beating of the heart and the movement of the muscles
surrounding the lungs and all the other functions of a parasympathetic nervous
system.
That seems a little confusing to me. Yeah.
So I see what Trish just said there.
Yeah.
Um, but it's saying it's drawn by the will. Yeah. And again,
not to get lost in semantics,
but to say that it's the involuntary system that's drawn by the will.
Now that could be the will at a higher level though,
and so not something that we're consciously aware of.
Yeah, yeah. So the calling of the edit may be like into the nose,
those nerve and muscle actions of which the mind, body,
spirit complex has conscious control.
So it's coming from the two different directions. The,
I think the that up is, is invoking the light through the crown. Shocker then.
Yeah.
I think the, the perfect balance between these two is,
is the same thing that if you ever,
if you've ever done like a guided meditation,
a lot of people say to focus on the breath.
And I think that the breath is a beautiful example of the, um,
almost like the gateway between the parasympathetic nervous system and the
sympathetic nervous system. Because, you know,
99% of the time your breathing just happens. But you know,
if you know, like that whole breathe into a bag thing,
if someone's having a panic moment and you can get them to focus their
breathing,
you can then bring it out of the parasympathetic into the sympathetic and
therefore, uh, control it and use it to, uh,
calm yourself.
Yeah.
The breathing is always such a powerful tool
That stimulates the vagus nerve also.
So, um,
um,
maybe we should jump back to the other quote here and finish with the discussion
of the pyramid now too. All
Right.
Um, so the queens chamber, uh, discussion was,
um, they said this was a,
this is a large discussion just asking about why,
why Rob referred to the queens chambers init initiatory place.
They said we cannot describe initiation in its specific sense due to our
distortion towards the belief understanding that the process which we offered so
many of your years ago was not a balance. However,
you are aware of the concept of initiation and realize that it demands the
centering of the being upon the seeking of the creator.
We have hoped to balance this understanding by enunciating the law of one that
is, that all things are one creator,
thus seeking the creator is done not just in meditation and the work of an
adept, but in the experiential nexus of each moment.
The in initiation of the queen's chamber has to do with a abandoning of self to
such desire to know the creator in full,
that the purified in streaming of light is drawn in balanced fashion through all
energy centers,
meaning in indigo and opening the gateway to intelligent infin infinity.
Thus the entity experiences true life, or as your people call it resurrection.
So do you take this ka mean?
So they offered initiation what they described as an imbalanced capacity,
and then said,
we have hoped to balance this understanding by annunciating the law of one
result. Things are one creator,
thus seeking creators done not just in meditation in the work of that,
but in the experiential nex each moment. So do you,
do you take that to mean that the experiential nexus of each moment was a
component that was missing the first go round?
Or do you interpret that they're,
that they're being clear about how they're balancing what they tried before or,
or which component was missing?
I, lemme try to process this a little bit more here.
I've, I've always thought of it as like, um, you know,
Ross says that they came down and showed the
ancient, uh, I'll say Egyptians, but the commissions,
they were working with them side by side and that their teachings got
corrupted. Uh, the way that I always interpreted this portion of it,
they were saying that it,
it's almost like if you took someone and you held their hand and showed 'em how
to do something, and then you showed 'em how to do it again,
and you showed 'em how to do it again,
and then you walked away when you walked away because you didn't ever let them
do it on their own. They didn't fully take it in.
And again, coming back to the whole tongue meaning linguistics thing,
it's because he specifically says that we enunciating the
law of one. We hope to balance this understanding by enunciating the law of one,
instead of just showing you the law of one and being there with you. Who knows,
maybe they were telepathically showing them the law of one,
or maybe they were walking them through it with,
with the tarot or the hieroglyphs on the, um, in,
in the ancient commission times they were showing 'em with the hieroglyphs.
It's almost like they said,
we did too much for you and it became unbalanced.
So now we have to take a step back, kind of tell you what it is,
and then let you go through the experience of life with the,
with the verbiage in your mind.
Yeah. Um, yeah.
It it's almost like they had, um, presented a shortcut in a way
Yeah.
And then decided that maybe that wasn't balanced and that knowing how things
work or seeing things or opening up the gateway to intelligent infinity,
et cetera, may be imbalanced if some of this other work hasn't been done. Yeah.
Properly.
Yeah.
Yeah. Like if, if at the Wizard of Oz,
Alice went to Oz and immediately saw that there was a man behind a curtain
working the wizard, she would've never gone on the journey, you know,
and never learned about the Cowardly Lion and the Tin Man and all that.
She would've immediately been like, oh, that's crap.
There's a dude behind a curtain.
Yeah. Kind of going back to the poker analogy.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah.
So is this,
Is this the one where they say that the greatest thing the adept can do, can,
uh, be experiencing life? Is this,
is this 57, 24,
Yeah. 57, 24.
Can you go in the Queens chamber if you visit the pyramid?
I think that's changed over the years. I think, I think I've seen,
I've heard of people who did and people who were blocked and going in.
It's like the Egyptian, um, government there, it gets to decide.
Interesting. Well,
I'll be there in about a week and a half and I will let you know what's
accessible.
Oh, nice. And even if they don't let you in,
you might be able to find somebody who has a way to take,
take a tour or something that, that might be a another way.
A little off excursion.
I, I'm gonna have to, uh, look, look it up. But I, I used to know, and, and I,
I think the guy, uh, he has, uh,
I don't wanna say died because he made a big point of it. He has WestEd,
he has Westing, uh, UL Quin or something like that. He was,
um,
in the lineage of the matriarchy passing down the law and he used to give
tours and I think he's passed, but his son still gives tours. So I mean,
you know, get as close to the original teachings as you can.
I'll have to see if I can find his name and send that over to you.
Yeah, that'd be great.
But the, uh, the law of one also said that it would, uh,
the pyramid is now, uh,
something about like a radio not tuned to the right frequency or something like
that.
Yeah. They need to rotate it.
Yeah. It's still, it's still works,
but it doesn't work till it's fullest cuz it's not tuned in properly right now.
Yeah. They need to, they need to rotate at about three degrees.
Yeah. Or, or, uh, you know,
open all of it up instead of hiding a bunch of it away,
Like many other pyramid structures. It is like the piano out of tune.
There
It is. Yeah.
Plays the tune, but also poorly the disharmony. Mm-hmm. Jangles the sensitive,
only the ghost of the streaming still remains due to the shifting of the
streaming points,
which is in turn due to the shifting electromagnetic fields of your planet do
also the discordant vibratory complexes of those who have used the initiatory
healing place for less compassionate purposes.
And I also wondered if this was partly what they were talking about in that last
quote.
The less compassionate purposes may have been a side effect of not having the
law of one as a part of their, their comprehension.
Just having us experience of becoming a creator might have led to more service
to self viewing of the crater than, than the, the purified service.
Service to other, um, comprehensions.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And it might have had something to do with, um, the Blue Lotus flower.
I mean,
they're constantly showing in the hi glyphs how they're giving the person,
like the person will have on the, uh,
the man's wig and then they give them the blue lotus flower,
and then they g they dawn the woman's wig, which is said to have more wisdom.
And then they, you know,
once they have the woman's wig and then they're given the blue lotus again,
then they get the, the snake that comes out,
which is supposed to show that they have, um, you know,
that certain level of intelligence. And then they get the,
the vase that's placed on the head with the, with the,
or the holder and the vase that goes on the head.
This damn camera keeps following my eyes and it won't let me show the,
the thing gets placed on the head like that.
And it shows that they have the knowledge and that they use the knowledge. I,
I always think that was, is the blue lotus, you know,
like, um, like a more potent,
well maybe it's the Blue Lotus with their teachings that is this potent
connection to creator. And then did they take that and be like,
I can do whatever I want. I'm the creator. I can make whatever I want, you know,
you will be my slave. Like, oh no, you took that wrong.
Yeah.
I don't know that it does anything on its own.
I've talked to a few people who have experimented with it,
and the most likely scenario it seems like I've heard is that it was mixed with
wine at the time.
Well, you took ayahuasca and, and you didn't,
if you've only took the mt portion in,
you didn't take the m i i you wouldn't really get anything either.
Yeah. So it could be that they need to go together
And it could be that there was a different, uh,
species of blue lotus that has been
True,
Not, not passed down to the common population
Or a different species of human Christ. Let's go there. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. Let's, I, I was thinking this was,
this was a good jumping off point to, um,
overall overview of some of this, this concept of, uh,
the, the nature of the light in order to dive into the visualization
and then maybe talk about the more we have time.
Um,
Yeah, I thought the visualization was pretty interesting that they say that it's
basically only useful for raising the vibration of the planet.
I was kind of confused by that,
cuz I would've thought that would've been a pretty fundamental component of most
magical workings, and yet
they kind of pigeonholed it a little bit.
Yeah. Um,
but I think that maybe there's different kinds of visualization, um,
and maybe they're, um, referring to the,
the, an exercise of visualization rather than an application of visualization,
if that makes sense. Um,
I don't know. I might need you to say it in other words.
Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's, let me read this here. Sure. Um, so the,
the question was, um,
does it produce more usable results in meditation to leave the mind as blank as
possible, let it run down,
or is it better to focus in meditation on some object or something for
concentration? And then Ross said,
each of the two types of meditation is useful for a particular reason.
Passive meditation involving the clearing of the mind at being of the mental
jumble, which is characteristic of mind complex activity among your peoples,
is efficacious for those whose goal is to achieve an inner silence as a base
from which to listen to the creator. This is useful, a useful and helpful tool,
and is by far the most generally useful type of meditation as opposed to
contemplation or prayer. So, um,
the, the type of meditation, which may be called visualization, has as its goal,
not that which is contained in the meditation itself.
So I,
so that makes me wonder if contemplation and other kinds of meditation might
involve images, um, that are not the same thing as this visualization.
That's one clue. And they say visualization is the tool of the adapt.
Those who learn to hold visual images in mind are developing an inter
concentrated power that can transcend boredom and discomfort.
When disability has become crystallized in an adept,
the adapt may then do polarizing and consciousness without external action,
which can affect the planetary consciousness.
This is the reason for the existence of the so-called white magician.
Only those wishing to pursue a conscious raising of planetary vibration will
find visualization to be a particularly satisfying type of meditation.
I think that that last line answers what you're asking, Andrew. Cause it's,
they're not saying that only for the,
um, the, the raising of planetary consciousness.
They're saying that when you use it for the raising of planetary consciousness,
only then will you find it satisfying. You know,
like some people may use it it and do that whole vision board thing and put a
Lamborghini in their mind and visualize Lamborghini into their existence.
But that's not gonna make you hate, you're not gonna be satisfied.
Huh. Okay.
That's one way to say it. Yeah.
I guess I could see that. Um,
they also say about the affecting of the planetary consciousness.
That was kind of interesting that they say that, um,
that that can be done basically mentally,
but they're not saying exclusively, but it does say, yeah,
when this ability's become crystallized in an add up,
the adapt may then do polarizing and consciousness without external action,
which can affect the planetary consciousness. Well,
is that implicitly saying that external action in and
of itself cannot affect the planetary consciousness because that doesn't seem
super likely.
They, I don't even think they're saying anything like that specifically.
They're just saying that this can also affect the planetary consciousness.
Yeah. I don't think it's the, if this then not that type situation.
I think it's this and that, but if you do it this way, it's,
it's more of an effect.
Yeah, I guess so, so,
so polarizing in consciousness without space time.
So external action is done in space time,
which means that the vibration sent out is gonna be relative to, you know,
the proximity you hold to other consciousness as opposed to what's being done in
consciousness without external action is done irrespective of space time and
therefore done in time space.
And therefore probably much more effective at, um,
raising the vibration of the planet as a whole.
So I guess it does make a lot of sense, actually.
I guess the,
the concept of the exercise was confusing with this other quote here,
42 point 13, where they, they asked for exercises.
Don asked for exercises to help increase the intention span. Um,
and they said the visualization of a shape and color,
which is a personal inspirational to quality to the meditator,
is the heart of what you would call the religious aspect of this sort of
visualization. And then the visualization,
visualization of simple shapes and colors,
which have no innate inspirational quality form the basis of what you may color
your magical transitions, magical traditions. And whether you image the image,
whether you image the rose or the circle is not important.
Wherever it is suggested that one or other path towards visualization be chosen
in order to exercise as faculty. Um,
and then, um, I think
it was maybe session, um,
50 where they talked about the adapt.
Right? Right. So, um, this one was how does the bill,
this was an ex explana explanation of what we read here.
Only those wishing to pursue the conscious raising of planetary vibration will
find visualization to be a particularly satisfying type of meditation.
And Don asked about that specifically, how does this ability, um,
do polarization and consciousness without external action? And then Ross said,
um,
this is not a simple query where the adapt is one which will go beyond the green
ray, which signals entry into harvestability.
So this is talking about the higher energy centers. Now,
the adapt will not simply be tapping into intelligent energy as a means of
readiness for harvest,
but tapping into both intelligent energy and intelligent in affinity for the
purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness.
The means of this working lie within the key is first silence.
And secondly, singleness of thought thusly.
A visualization which can be held steady to the inward eye for several of your
minutes as you measure time will signal the AIPs increase in signal singleness
of thought.
The singleness of thought can be used by the positive adapt to work and group
ritual visualizations for the raising of positive energy by negative aeps for
the increase in personal power. So I guess I was wrong in saying that this was,
um, the entirety of what visualization is, is the exercise,
what they're talking about.
The other one was the fact that once you do the exercises of visualization,
that increases your, um,
ability to hold for several of your minutes if you can,
if you can hold an image in your mind set for se for several minutes,
this increases your ability to have a singleness of thought.
And then this singleness of thought is what's so useful in doing. And,
and they specifically say group here, but they didn't say group.
And the other one, I don't think, but they say working with group ritual,
vi ritual visualization is what will raise positive energy,
um, for, um, the planet. I guess.
Well we have a direct example of this when, um,
and now I'm gonna butcher all the details,
but it was like a group of monks or a group of, of, uh,
meditators went to Washington DC and all sat and meditated on peace.
And they had like a statistical drop in the crime rate during that time. Yeah.
I can't remember it was called the something in, in Washington.
But they actually measured a physical difference in the crime rate when people
sat and meditated on peace in a group.
I remember hearing about that too.
So I definitely makes
You think, oh, sorry Mike,
but it just makes you think if they shut off the news and stopped pumping all
that crap into, into the, the general thoughts of everyone for like an hour,
you know?
Yeah. How about that? If,
if news was oriented towards aspirational mm-hmm. That would be awesome.
Yeah.
I, yeah, there's, there's a, I had found, I don't have it readily on hand,
but I saw, like there's a,
a document you can find that has a list of the 50 studies that were done just
like that. Yeah. Many, many different variations on that that were done.
Yeah. John, uh,
John Halan describes it very well in his interviews in, uh,
what the bleep and he, um,
I was trying to figure out how I could work it into like,
sharing the screen and all that on the iPad, but I didn't figure it out. But I,
I, uh, I was listening to that earlier cuz it sparked in my mind.
But if you look up John haggle and PhD on consciousness,
there's two videos and it's all of his talks from what the bleak all
linked together. And he,
he just puts it poetically because he's a quantum physicist. He takes,
he takes the physical study of the universe and the study of consciousness
and just molds him perfectly because he has such an in-depth, uh,
knowledge base of both of them. And he is basically saying that, you know, the,
the more we study the physical world,
and the more we try and break it down in the smaller and smaller pieces,
the more we get to that point where we realize it, it, it, it's all one.
And it comes from this sea of potentiality. And the observer,
once the observer gets involved,
they start to lay down what's gonna happen from this sea of potentiality.
And he, but he puts it in a beautifully scientific way.
So I think that, um,
yeah, the, the, the, the key teaching here in this passage is that,
um, visualization, if we, if we practice it more,
it, it can, um, give us an ability that we wouldn't have without the exercise.
So I think that this is actually one of the most useful teachings in the,
in the material is that, um, if you can hold the, the an image,
even though it might not make sense,
if it's not an inspirational image holding any image,
can then increase our ability to do other visualizations such as visualizations
for world peace,
where maybe we have a lot of biases and emotions that come up when we try to do
that meditation as we try to think about world peace or something like that.
But maybe, maybe having the, the, the, the,
the mind trained is, is is one of the keys to, to activating this,
this indigo ray function.
Yeah.
And if you were thinking of world peace and then the bias just started creeping
in, that would be you falling out of the singleness of mind, you know?
Right. So it's like training yourself to, to, um,
I know that in the, the Ayurvedic speaking, they say netti netti, not this,
not this, you know,
it's like certain thoughts try and enter in as you're doing meditation and you
just kind of have to acknowledge them and let them go instead of dwelling on
them.
Right.
There we go. I think Don just said it,
it was 4,000 transcendental meditators.
Yep. There's a website called Invincible Defense Technology,
where they published a bunch of those papers too, I think.
Yeah.
Um, so,
And that just goes to show you, you have to see, you know, the, the,
the information's out there, you just have to look for it.
Yeah. Um,
so say 3.8, is that the one that we were reading before?
Um,
Yeah, we stopped at 73 8. Right, but you were, you were saying until 73. 11.
Yeah.
Let's go, let's go on to, uh,
so the next one he asked was after talking about the,
the light beating between the upward and downward using the
parasympathetic, which is the unconscious and the sympathetic,
which seems to be related more to the conscious control of the systems of our
body. And then Ross, uh, uh, Don asks, um,
I believe I'm correct in saying that where the two directions meet,
you have a measure of the development of any particular mind, body,
spirit complex. Am I correct? And Ross says, this is correct.
This is what they heard to as the kundalini, um,
the meeting place of the internet outer natures. And uh,
and then in the next one, uh, Don said, in invoking the alerted light,
then it would seem to me that the visualization or of the invocation would be
dependent upon what the use was to be of the light.
The use could be for healing, could be for communication,
or could be for the general awareness you might say, of the con creation of,
and the creator.
Would you please speak upon this process and my correctness in making this
assumption? And Ross said, we shall offer some thoughts,
though it is doubtful that we may exhaust the subject. Each visualization,
regardless of the point of the working,
begins with some work within the indigo ray.
As you may be aware,
the ritual which you have begun is completely working within the indigo ray.
I think they may referring to the channeling, um,
or the ritual before the channeling. Oh, I think
He's, yeah. He is talking about the middle pillar exercise.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah, exactly. 73.5 exercise in the middle pillar.
Um, so this is,
well for, um, yeah. Completely working within the Ingo ray.
This is wellford is the gateway from this beginning light may be
invoked for communication or for healing.
You know, it's interesting, um,
Don does in a different question when he is asking about shouldn't the
visualization actually in that question up there, 73 5, he asks,
shouldn't this visualization go reverse? Shouldn't it go from the feet upward?
Not from, or shouldn't it go from the head downward? Not from, sorry,
he's asking shouldn't it go from the feet upward?
Because you've told us that the spiraling light goes upwards.
Yeah. And
Ron says, um, no. And what's interesting is that the middle pillar exercise,
so they talk about the energy centers,
but the middle pillar exercise actually has 1, 2, 3,
it, it has four stops. It's not seven. Um, it's,
it starts at the crown and then it kind of goes to the throat.
Pretty well centered there.
And then the next one is sort of between the heart and the solar plexus more or
less. And then the last one's down near the hara or the Sacra chakra.
So it's kind of interesting that it doesn't include all, um,
seven of the chakras, the middle pillar exercise.
Right.
But it does include them in the way that Ross speaks,
where he says that the first three have to be balanced to then
springboard onto the, the springboard from the heart to the next.
So if you group the bottom three together,
What would, where they are on the, the tree here? Um,
Keera would be the crown. And actually in the, in the name of God,
that's invoked in the middle pillar exercise. Um,
the, the spot that it's attributed to is ot,
which is the hidden SRA there in the middle.
And then the next one down would be tfr. And then the bottom would be Malkuth,
I think you said is probably the one that skipped in that case. Um,
but that is the middle pillar obviously, that we're looking at there.
I assume this is a little bit fuzzy in the sense that, um,
these concepts kind of have a combination of chakras and some of them.
Yeah. Um, or, or some of them might group the, the chakra together,
though raw in some of the sessions that you sent over, um,
for this discussion actually talks about primary, um,
chakras versus basic chakras. And in fact, that one that you had read,
you skipped that paragraph.
It kind of ends one paragraph a little bit confusingly and says that, okay,
this goes to the heart, and then it says, this is also not a primary center,
but I think it clarifies after that and is saying that the heart is in fact a
primary energy center.
So to me that's kind of interesting in and of itself,
that raw differentiates between a primary energy center and a, and a basic one.
Yeah. He calls the, the red and the yellow foundation, and then he goes,
he skips straight over orange and goes right to green and then calls green a
primary, I believe.
Um,
He skip,
he calls red and yellow foundational skips orange and
yeah. Yeah. Here it is, uh, spiritual work, third primary ray,
able to begin potentiation.
Ted. Well, I'm, I'm pulling up different quotes right now.
Kinda curious about what, what they say about the primary centers. Um,
but they do talk about secondary points of energy centers, um,
too, uh, um, and that there's even tertiary, um,
energy centers. Um,
yeah. So yeah,
the tertiary inner center energy centers, they spoke very little of. Um,
it's just a suggestion that there's these complex spiraling energies. Um,
and it's possible that they don't say that the, the green is, uh,
primary because the green is not even activated by the, the negative adapt. Um,
in order for the whole system to be working.
I may have found it, it's, uh, 39 point 10.
Okay.
Is that first one that you'd gone to and
Yeah, that's, that's the one where he says, uh, he,
he differentiates between foundation and primary.
Yeah. And then you could, yeah.
So it is the foundation Ray talking about the red ray,
and then in the next paragraph you can say the next foundation is yellow.
Mm-hmm.
Which is called a stepping stone.
So it goes from red to yellow in terms of foundation. Mm-hmm.
Um, and then it potentiates its false balance. The strong red, orange,
yellow triad springboards the entity into the center of green RayRay. This is,
again, a basic ray, but not a primary ray.
So what is this when it refers to that?
Because I read that originally as green and going, wait,
that's a basic ray, not a primary.
Right. Yeah. They, they spoke about that in other places too.
But in the next paragraph, it then says, when green ray's been activated,
we find the third primary ray being able to begin potentiation, which
Is the blue.
Oh. Which is the blue, okay. Yeah.
Yeah.
So it is saying that green is a basic ray. Right.
And
Not foundation, not primary. Wow.
Yeah. The blueray is the first true spiritual ray,
and that all transfers are an integrated mind, body, spirit nature.
But I think they discussed this another point,
and I think we discussed in a different recording. Mm-hmm. Um, but if,
if I, yeah, just search for primary. There's, there's a lot said about it.
Um, so where else do they say that?
Um,
green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having
to do with compassion and all forgiving love to the primary blueray,
which is the first ray of radiation of self,
regardless of any actions from another,
Ah,
The green ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other selves.
The Blu ray entity is a co-creator.
This may perhaps simply be a restatement of previous activity.
If you could you consider the function of the logos as representative of the
infinite creator and effectuating the knowing of the creator by the creator,
you may perhaps see the steps by which may this may be accomplished.
So I guess, um, there was some ambiguity also if peop if, uh,
in some part of the material, uh,
Ross says that the Blu-ray is part of the negative, uh,
ad's use of, of expression. And at another point they,
they suggested it isn't. But it's, I think it,
I think it is based on what this is saying too,
that the blueray is a part of whether you're negative or positive, you're,
you're teaching the nature of the creator at that point. Um,
and the green ray is just a part of like our, I guess our inner processing of,
of,
of building the compassion necessary to fully activate the outward expression of
that awareness of oneness.
Yeah. It's kind of interesting.
It says that the green ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from
other cells.
So does that mean if you're feeling particularly green ray activated and
somebody is not, um, vibrating similarly,
that you're ineffectual, I guess is what it's saying
Without the Blu-ray,
Uh,
because the Blu-ray then allows you to broadcast the knowing of the self as
creator?
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
It's very confusing that there's a primary secondary and even tertiary,
And this kind of makes sense because the,
the hermetic laws that line up with these are rhythm for the heart
chakra and then vibration for the throat chakra.
And so rhythm has to do with, um,
this concept or energy of, of getting into,
um, sympathy a sympathetic vibration. Like you were saying earlier,
Mike and vibration seems to be, um,
maybe more intentional about what, what that really, um,
is or maybe being more deliberate about the vibration that we're putting out.
Right. So, um,
we were talking about 73 point 11
initially trying to get there. Um,
okay. So yeah, we're talking about, um,
each visualization, regardless of the point of the working,
begins with some work within the indigo ray. Um,
which I guess is also a secondary center with the violet being
the, no, I guess the three primary rays are red,
yellow, and blue. So those are the primary, um,
ways of being active as a co-creator. Um,
but I guess it doesn't really matter if we call it, um, primary secondary.
It still has use for the, the work being done. Um,
as you may be aware, the ritual which you have begun,
the middle pillar is completely working within the,
this is wellford is the gateway,
and this beginning light may be invoked for communication or for healing.
You may note that in the ritual,
which we offered you to properly begin the rock workings,
the first focus is upon the creator.
I think that might have been the statement that they had in session two. Um,
I can pull up that up pretty quickly.
So they had said, um,
what is the law? The law is one, why are we here? We seek the law of one.
Why do we seek ro humble messengers loved one? Um,
they, they, they did other things too. They did the, um,
banish and rich with lesser pentagram, and they had some
Other recommendations, um,
And then cross, um, which I believe is the co ballistic cross. Um,
we talked about that in a previous session as well.
Mm-hmm.
Okay. So then they say, we would further note a point,
which is both subtitle. Subtitle means rare or delicate or fine.
And of some interest,
the upward spiraling light developed in its path by the will.
And ultimately reaching a,
a high place of mating with inward fire of the one creator is only
preparation for the work upon the mind, body, spirit,
which may be done by the adept.
There are some crystallization of the energy centers used during each working so
that the magician becomes more and more that which it seeks.
That could be, like you were talking about earlier, Mike, where you know, you,
you feel like you, your energy center's becoming more and more crystallized,
more and more crystallized. You know, that's, that's what you get. Um, as you,
as you do the, the work, the magician becomes more and more of that,
which it seeks, but then eventually, you know,
you get knocked down and have to learn that same lesson in a more intense way
almost.
Yeah.
Um, I think we already covered this in the previous one too, about the, um,
the time space mind, body spirit analog,
which is evoked as the magical personality, which, um,
we've talked about is the higher self has its only opportunity to gain rapidly
from the experience of the catalytic action available to the third density
space, time, mind, body, spirit.
Thus the adapt is aiding the creator greatly by offering the great catalyst to a
greater portion of the creation, which is identified as the mind, body,
spirit totality of an entity.
So as you become more and more, um, the one infinite creator,
you're becoming more and more of the higher self too,
which is like the separate six dimensional aspect of yourself becoming more
engaged and learning through the process of working, I guess from a,
from more of a timeless state. It seems like this is the,
this could be why they're talking about the space time and time space aspects
becoming more unified because there's more of a timeless aspect of the self
that's working through the physical when you're becoming more and more magic
personality, the higher self.
Right. It's bringing it into space time, and it's able to,
to learn from catalyst, I think, a lot faster than we are.
Yeah. Yep. So
this might have been too random to jump around, but, um,
I think I wanted to get to 74, uh, 16 last time.
Um,
and this is just touching on some of the white magician stuff that relates to
the indigo ray and the adept. Um, and this,
we'll probably have to cover this subject more next time, hopefully with Nathan.
He was very excited to cover some of this stuff, I think. Um,
So this was in the context of, um,
in selecting a protective ritual, we agreed upon the banishing ritual,
g lesser pentagram. I assume that these sound vibratory complexes, w you know,
the,
the words that they're saying during the ritual are the type you speak for the
alerting of those on the airplanes. Is this correct?
And then where do they speak about the alerting? Is that,
was that 12 you stated that a working of service to others has the potential of
alerting a great massive light strength.
Could you describe just exactly how this works and what the uses of this would
be? Marra said, there are sound vibratory complexes,
which act much like the dialing of your telephone when they are appropriately
vibrated with the company will and concentration.
It is as though many upon your metaphysical or airplanes received a telephone
call. This call, they answered by their attention to your working.
So when I first learned that reading the, um, I dunno, Manley P Hall,
maybe back when I first started studying this,
it kind of freaked me out that like just reading a book with names in it could
actually like be invoking entities, um, that are,
that were associated with these magical traditions.
I think specific ones, if you scroll down a little, um,
to the next, let's see here, um, a little bit more.
There we go. Um, so it says, in constructing rituals,
while the sight of the body of written work,
which is available for names of positive or service to others,
powers are available. And that's,
I believe why so much white magic revolves around like the 72 names for God and
angels and those types. That's how I interpret that.
Right? Yeah.
Are there names that you invoke specifically you have, you guys have any tie to?
I mean, I, I like the, you know, Yohe Bhe and, um,
Jho, I, I just go straight to the common ones
For sure. Um, the Lesser Baning ritual actually has four of them in it,
and then it's got four archangels. So it has, um, Yohe Mak,
adenai and Aala, um, which is a G L A,
which is actually an acronym, um, which is very interesting. A lot of, um,
relatively ancient Hebrew is actually acronyms. Um, but anyway,
it's got those four names for God, and then it's got, um, Michael, Gabriel,
Raphael, and Muriel is the Arch Angels limit. Mm-hmm.
That was my favorite interpretation of higher glyphs too, Andrew,
was that each higher glyph was more like an acronym and less like a,
a letter or a word.
Yeah. It was more the energy that was present than, yeah. Yeah.
I've done a, um, uh, a meditation on the hundred eight,
I believe it was 108 names of God in the Indian traditions. And,
uh, I mean, I could not, I could not recite 108. We,
we were led by, uh, the, the guy who was teaching us,
and he would say, uh, in, in Sanskrit,
he would basically say like, I,
I call and invoke the name of God and then say a different name of God each
time. And we would say, um, uh, in,
in Sanskrit we would say, I believe it was, uh, amen.
I hear, I say, and after that was,
that was a really cool, I, I, I just, it,
I felt so light afterwards, after we did that meditation.
That's interesting. Um, there are some in the Sophia code too,
I just remembered. Um, I'm on the third code right now,
which is the one after Hathor. Oh, it's, um,
green Tara. Um, she provides some, um,
mantras even in Sanskrit, um, in that as well,
and, and explains how they work and says, when you say this out loud,
this is exactly what it means and what you're doing
This book.
Yeah. That's the one. Um, there's some things like, you know,
words like Dragon Tribe, um, that obviously you have to either,
um, transcend your resistance to or not have a,
a problem with to begin with. Um, it's also, as you can see, they're also told,
um, almost entirely from the divine feminine Christ perspective, which is also,
um, pretty interesting. Um, but the activations that are in them, um,
seem pretty powerful. And there's, uh,
eight ascended masters in them, um,
that are listed there a little bit below. And, um, it's very, very interesting.
But if you're looking for certain incantations or, or, um,
ancient kind of words of power, um, there's some in here
I've also done meditation on sacred geometry. Uh, that's been pretty,
pretty fruitful.
Yeah. I've thought a lot about sacred geometry too.
I've specifically done meditation on, uh, thinking with, uh,
the MEbA and,
and specifically just meditated and held the,
the visualization of the, the merkaba, um, like rotating,
and that, that's been pretty fruitful.
Yeah. That's supposed to be the vehicle of ascension. Mm-hmm.
Which to me kind of makes sense because I know it's not a pyramid.
It's two tetrahedrons, though. Um,
it still makes me feel like light is being drawn
in both directions of those, um,
opposing tetrahedrons
Certainly makes sense. I mean,
they even say that the cone shape and, uh,
and any kind of shape that comes to a point at the top as the similar effect to
the pyramid.
Perfect. Yeah. Then that kind of makes sense.
Did see a very interesting program, um, from Matis Toph,
I think once that kind of walked through the progression of, of, um,
the sake of geometry as well.
And I may have started even with the point and the point in circle and, um,
begets to the tetrahedron. And then, um, next is the merkaba,
and then the, that actually, um, becomes the cube,
which, um, is then an inverse, or what do they call the,
the Platonics hos, each of them or, um, they have an inverse,
basically. So with the cube, you've got six sides and eight corners,
and the octahedron, you have eight sides and six corners. So they're, um,
I think they're called inverse,
but the same goes with the icosahedron in the dodecahedron. It's 12 and 20,
um, reversed. And that's how they, that's essentially how they morph and evolve,
um, through creation is the tetrahedron, the MEbA,
the cube, the octahedron, the Aron and Theron.
I will say,
it certainly was profound to me to start meditating in a pyramid and realize
how much of, you know, it doesn't matter,
the physical properties of the pyramid don't matter. The, the,
the material matters a little bit, as long as it's a natural material and the,
the, like, the amount of material in the pyramid doesn't matter.
It's the, it's simply the shape.
The shape alone is the funneling mechanism and the shape.
It, it is, there's no, um, people have speculated, like,
if it's a copper pyramid, is it, is there something magnetic about it? And,
and it's the same thing with wood, whether it's copper or wood or plastic.
PVC piping works the same.
They talk about this in the material as long as it doesn't have like
Heavy metal,
I think. Yeah. Um, like steel won't work. Um, but,
but th but this goes to show that there's, um,
like there's a metaphysical connection that is the,
the potent thing and, and the physical side of it, it doesn't,
not gonna logically seem, um, seem to be, make sense to us.
Why, why this would be a powerful thing. Um, and,
and this is also I think something I've had to process with,
with these magical white magical systems where,
um,
it doesn't necessarily make sense to me why vibrating different phrases
is doing something except for the fact that there,
there is a metaphysical reason behind those phrases coming into her
consciousness and being used a particular way. Um,
so I just wanted to tie us back to this quote here, um, where, uh,
Don asked,
I'll make an analogy to the loudness of ringing of the telephone and using the
ritual as the efficiency of, of the practitioners using the ritual. Uh,
I see several things affecting the efficiency of the ritual. First,
the desire of the practitioners to serve their ability to invoke the magic
personality, their ability to visualize while performing the ritual.
And let me ask you the relative importance of those items and how they may be
intensified. And Ross said,
this query borders upon over specificity is,
is most important for the add up to feel its own growth. As teach learner,
we may only say that you ize the paramount importance of the magical
personality.
This is a study in itself which we're attempting to go through here
With the appropriate emotional will,
polarity and purity work can,
may be done with or without proper sound vibration complexes. However,
there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available.
So this suggests that the body itself is vibrating the words,
not just thinking them, but saying them out loud. The body is like, uh,
an instrument being used by the higher self that's becoming this fine-tuned,
um, precise device. As we vibrate the words,
we become more,
more one with that vibration of what those words are connected to in the
metaphysical dimensions. And so we're become, we're becoming that,
that higher aspect through the focused use of our, our vehicle.
And the towards the magical, I guess the magical, um,
goals.
I feel like the words themselves are also the bridge. Um,
I've mentioned this before, but in white magical operations,
there's a requirement for something to happen in the physical.
Um, now I think the raw clearly outlines that for, you know,
an advanced adapt, that that's maybe not completely necessary,
but as they teach people first learning magic, that that's a requirement.
In order for this thing to manifest in physical reality,
the ritual itself has to,
has to contain something that happens in physical reality.
And so the incantation or invocation to me,
is what's bringing the energy out of the metaphysical and outta the spiritual
realms and into physical reality,
because when we say something that puts a vibration within the,
the context or within the,
the third and fourth dimensional realities that we exist in here.
And so that's why it feels like a bridge to bring those in.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, I had a,
I had a powerful experience in church just this morning actually, um, with, um,
activating something that doesn't normally seem to be activated in me. Um,
but they, but they asked this question here when, um, talking about the,
um, the telephone call through the different phrases and vibrations of
the voice, um,
Don asked the one's most obvious in our society are those used in the church
rather than those used by the magical adept.
What is the difference in the effect of those used say in the church and our
various churches in those specifically magical inundations used by the adept?
And Ross said, if all in your churches were adds consciously full of will,
of seeking, of concentration, of conscious knowledge of the calling,
so, so these are, uh, there would be no difference.
So these are four different components here. They're saying, um, the will,
the seeking concentration and the knowledge of the calling
Yeah.
Elements.
Yeah. I really like, um,
what they're saying below that as well, the last, um,
their desire to seek the altered state of consciousness
that they're shooting for. And I love that.
That's what we're really talking about, which I know that we always, you know,
acknowledge that, but it's nice to make sure it's present.
Yeah. The,
the e the efficacy se the efficacy of the calling is a function of magical
qualities of those who call that is their desire to seek and the altered state
of consciousness desired. Yeah.
So when I was reading this, I,
I read it as the emotional will,
the polarity and the purity of the work were the scalpel,
and then the vibrational sound that you actually make was the blunt instrument.
And it was almost like if they, they were restating, you know,
if you had people that were, uh,
of the right will with the right polarity and the right purity of the work,
and you sat and had that meditation,
you would be using the scalpel and you would be putting that out into the world.
Right. But it,
it doesn't really work that way in church because we're not being taught by and
large a lot of the truth, and there's a lot of fear being injected.
And so when they were saying, um,
you have to have the will and the seeking mm-hmm. Um,
what they're accepting and quite often being taught in certain churches,
um, is, is that you're not calling, is that actually,
there is a difference between you and the Christ in that it was,
it was a one shot deal, it's something else and beyond and outside of you,
and therefore you are not consciously knowledgeable of the fact that you are
calling that Christ into your own Yeah. Manifestation.
So I,
I think they described this pretty well in that it it's all about how
you show up and what you expect to get out of your work. Yeah.
Yeah. I think that's why at the beginning of that answer there,
he puts that huge qualifier, you know,
if all in your churches were adept and then continues on, you know what I mean?
Like, it's,
it's not necessarily a given just because you're in this place kind of saying
these words, you know, it, it,
it's certainly not just gonna happen if you don't have the background and the,
the true intent behind it.
Right. Like it says concentration. Well,
if you're concentrating on fire and brimstone Yeah.
Then that's kind of where you're manifesting from.
And I always, I mean, I've said to you guys a million times,
but I always say the universe does not hear negative.
So if you're trying to concentrate on avoiding fire and brimstone,
no fire and brimstone, the universe doesn't hear no,
it only hears what you're consciously focusing on,
and that's fire and brimstone. Yeah. And that, and that is purely a, a,
um, uh, a personal belief. Uh, it does,
it doesn't necessarily say that anywhere in any other things.
Right. But the energy of fire and brimstone is that of punishment,
which reinforces guilt and shame. And that's why it's,
that's why it's not healing.
We're we're being reinforced that we are in fact imperfect and
are constantly being judged. So, I mean,
obviously just not super helpful, but raw, you know,
I think sums it up pretty well here.
There are certainly different kinds of churches and different kinds of, um,
churchgoers. Yeah. And, and, uh, it, it, it does seem like there's,
there's people who, um, the,
the fire and b brimstone is such a tiny box in their mind. Yeah.
It's just a question mark sometimes, like I'll deal with that later.
Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Not every church emphasizes the same Yeah.
Points,
Which I think is great.
And that's probably why we have so many denominations even of Christianity,
let alone the other major religions as well.
Yeah.
And even just the specific individuals within each church. Yeah. You know, I,
I grew up, I, I went to, um, Catholic school K through 12,
and I lived next to the primary school, the K through eight.
So, you know, I I, I was right there. I lived next to the graveyard,
and I met all of the deacons that came through and all of the priests that came
through, and we were playing in the parking lot. And I mean,
there was all shapes and sizes and,
and their beliefs came in all shapes and sizes.
Mm-hmm.
You know, but they were all seeking priesthood. It was just,
some of them seem to, uh, seem to embody it,
and some of them seem to just kind of be studying it.
Interesting.
Yeah. I've noticed there's actually,
it seems like in pro Protestant churches I've attended,
there's actually a fear of even asking people what they believe.
And even going down those roads, it's like people,
people want to keep the peace more than they want to actually dive into the
belief system. And so you end up having a very positive atmosphere.
You can have a very positive atmosphere of people who are seeking, um,
and if they emphasize the positive things that they're seeking,
then that can be reinforced. And Yeah. I've,
I've gained a lot from group worship.
That seems to be how politics go, too. Yeah.
They wanna talk about how to fix the road,
but nobody ever wants to fix the road. Like they wanna keep the peace, like, oh,
they know, let's just get some stuff done, guys. Yeah.
But I, but I do feel like there's a preservation of free will,
free will thing going on too, that people can, um,
people can have everything that they might want out of religion.
They can have the ability to guilt others if they,
if they have that authority structure system in place,
and they can have the ability to love others unconditionally with the words of
Jesus. And it's a, it's like this balanced, um,
system where people can kind of use it for their own agenda and,
and continue to fit in with the, with the structure.
I gotcha. That, that makes a lot more sense. It's,
it's more of a free will type structure as opposed to, uh, just not wanting to,
to lay down the specificity of it.
It's kind of like leaving an interpretive or leaving it up to interpretation.
Yeah.
If you can forgive the people who have the dis the disagreeing beliefs.
Yeah.
That's, I've, I've, yeah. I've talked to many people who,
who tried to go to church after studying a lot of other things,
and it's like they're having, you know, fights in their mind and,
and they get so angry listening to the sermons that they can't,
they can't deal with it. Yeah. And I was in that place for many years,
and it's almost like layers started to break away off of my,
my ego as a process of, of, of saying, it's,
it's okay for people to have these other beliefs where they're emphasizing the
value of the fruits of the tree,
of knowledge of good and evil instead of the release of those.
Yeah. I would love, uh, beautifully. You can,
you can spin something with light and love, Mike.
Yep.
Yeah. All right. We're at, we're at two hour mark.
I guess it's been a good meeting and I'm excited to dive more into some of these
other, um, white magical discussions in the future.
I think it was, it worked out perfectly because I,
I also know that Nathan was excited to talk about some of these things, so,
you know,
all of our little asides wasted just enough time to make it perfect for Nathan
to come in when we got there.
Yep.
Perfect. As always.
Yep. And as always, I've forgotten to look at the chat most of the time,
but thank you, Trish.
We could, we could, uh, end,
potentially end the recording right now and then open it up to other people for
a few minutes too, if we want. That seems appropriate.