Jesus said, if you have the faith
of a mustard seed, you can tell that mountain to move
and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.
Right. The most important part of
that statement is nothing will be impossible for you.
Right. Mm-Hmm.
So, you know, I'm thinking, okay, like the,
my initial thought was like, when I was really kind
of like delving into that statement more for myself,
I'm like, do I even have like the faith of a mustard seed?
Like I might have like the FA fraction of a fraction
of a fraction of a faith, of a mustard seed
in my own ways of manifesting or whatever.
Right? But still, that's, that's a pretty good amount.
And then I was like, how many atoms
are in a mustard seed?
I'm like, all right. And,
and then I was thinking, uh, okay,
how many, like, there's a, I don't know,
a few hundred billion, trillion atoms
or was something in a mustard seed, right?
But, um, what's it called?
Uh, so then I was like, okay, the atom,
the atom has, what's it called?
Um, obviously, uh, potential energy.
You can see it from our atom bomb tests explosion.
Right? So we have those atoms in us,
and then I, I then I just kind of google like how much,
how many, how many atoms
are in a human body?
So I, I got my notes up here.
We have seven sextillion
atoms in the human body.
Let's keep it G rated now.
Well, that's six oc, like,
like Yeah, I know.
Okay. No, it does sound like that.
But like five is, it's like an infinite amount basically,
but that's seven sextillion atoms in our body.
And then I was like, okay, I know protons
rotate around atoms.
And then I was like, how many, how many protons
are, are in a human body?
6.5 octillion
protons in a human body?
Right? And then I was like, okay,
you, you guys familiar with Naim Harriman?
Yeah. Right. Okay.
Naim Harriman is like a, like a, a physicist.
Um, and he's got some papers coming.
He already released one about like, you know, uh, trying
to unify all the, the, the field theories, right?
And he has something that is,
is recognized in mainstream science about his
calculations for a proton.
And he calls that the swartz child proton, right?
So the swartz child proton is basically,
there's like e even in the atoms,
there's like a mini black hole in the atom,
and then the protons rotate around the atom.
And the, those protons, if it's a swartz child proton,
it has the same mass
of the entire universe, right?
So we have 6.5 octillion
protons in our body,
and if proven that they're swartz child protons,
then we have 6.5 actian
potential universal universes Mm-Hmm.
In our own body. Mm-Hmm.
So I'm like, okay, that takes a lot of energy.
You, I mean, you have access to a lot of potential energy,
but to move that mountain
is potatoes, is nothing compared
to the potential energy that we all have in our,
in our bodies potential.
It also reminds me of what Ross said about the, the moving
of the rocks back in ancient Egypt.
That they just had to speak to the, the,
the infinite beingness of the rocks
and the rocks themselves had ample energy
to do anything speaking to the atoms. Yeah.
Mm-Hmm. Gotta make love to them. Adams baby.
Yeah. So that's, you know,
that's basically like the idea of it.
So more or less,
but you know, like other people have talked about this
as well, like, uh, in different circles,
like scientifically metaphysically, even like bahar,
the channeler, you know about, right?
Yeah. Dar linkup, he, he's talked about that
as well in, in similar ways.
But seeing this angle
and kind of like just digging in and,
and, you know, I even used, um, I knew kind
of like the answers that I wanted that I was looking for,
but I wanted to confirm it through like, ai.
So I'd asked these questions, right?
Even, but AI kept on saying that Nasim Herriman is not,
like, none of this stuff is proven yet,
but if this were possible, yes,
you would have the potential energy of, uh,
multiple universes in your body. So,
So I was it you were gonna, you, when we last talked,
you were gonna give a sermon
or a speech at your church, right?
No, no, no, no, no.
I wanted, I wanna make a, like a, what's it called?
A keynote type of idea.
And then I'll, I'll also invite some of the clergy
and I'll record it, and then I'll upload it and Nice. You
Know, and then, so, so basically what, what, what I'm
so curious to talk about today is what, what,
what is the nature of mental discipline and faith?
And John was talking about the faith of a mustard seed,
and how do we, how do we comprehend what our faith is?
And is it a, is it a scale?
And what is our discipline of our mind?
And I, I believe that when Jesus was saying,
if your IB single, your whole body will be full of light.
That that's a part of the process of, of reducing the
variations in our mind
that take us away from having the faith of a mustard seed,
which is really a, you know, a a very simple kind
of thing compared to the complexity of our belief system,
which is just going in a million directions.
So I, I know that the Buddhists talk about the one point
inness of thought, and certainly it's emphasized also in
the, in the raw material as being very important, um, to,
uh, attaining anything with our, with our discipline,
is reducing all the other jumble in the noise.
And Chris, you've talked a lot about, uh,
the meditation from your guru,
which I'd love to hear more about.
Um, and you, you
and you've, you've said it, um, that a, a big part
of meditation for you is, is essentially ignoring thoughts.
And the, the concept of ignoring a thought, to me, it,
it can trigger me at times when I feel like, oh,
there's some, some really big thing that I need to process.
And it's like, I don't want to ignore it
because I know it's coming up for a reason.
I need to get through it. But at the same time, there are
so many of those things that I still have
to work on sometimes that if I can get down to one,
one thing, even if it's just like a mantra or,
or some simple visualization, which is also recommendations,
uh, given by many different sources to,
to focus your mind on at least one thing.
Um, and Chris, you've recommended focusing on, on the heart,
and I, if you can get, get other things out of the way,
then it, and it almost feels like you now have like a laser
beam of conscious intent that can, um, break
through the walls that are, are, are affecting our ability
to, to develop our discipline
and mental ability to, to control our minds, which are very,
so often just going everywhere.
But I don't if control is the right word,
because we're, we're wanting to be
more accepting than controlling.
It's just the, the inability to be accepting of
so many things that once might be the, the lack
of the single pointedness of our minds
that, that holds us back.
So, go ahead. Any, any, any thoughts on this?
Um, yeah, actually, so, uh, yeah, in terms of
the meditation and, and mental clutter
and that laser beam that you're talking about,
I mean, the whole see medi, what I've been taught is
that meditation is just an exercise.
It's like going to the gym, right?
Like, if you sit on the couch and just eat garbage
and don't work out, you're gonna get fat and, uh, weak
and all that and diseased.
But if you work out, then your body is fit.
So our mind, you can look at our mind in the same way where,
so our mind, if we don't regulate our own mind,
if we don't take control of our own mind,
our mind controls us, right?
So, and, and, and,
and in a modern world, nobody is working on their mind.
Nobody is regulating their mind.
No one is doing any curls with their mind
or pushups with their mind.
Nothing. Zero.
So our mind is just, it just is what it, it's, it's like a,
a garden with a bunch of weeds.
It's just weeds everywhere.
'cause you've never literally worked on your garden
for one second of your life, ever.
So proper meditation again, as I've been taught,
is when you learn to ignore the ignoring the thoughts is
just a way to let the, the ripples in the water,
the turbulence settle down so there's no more turbulence.
So now you can see right through the water,
you could see down maybe a hundred feet,
but if someone splashes their hand in the water,
then you can't see anything, right?
So it's just the mental clutter that we have.
Too much of meditation is a way to just learn how
to let it go and let it dissipate.
And when you do that, you've returned more
to a natural state where, where you have to find out what
that is for yourself.
So, uh, I mean,
and so in, I just wanted to explain the very simple, uh,
explanation of why meditation helps
and what it actually does.
It, it allows you to get in contact with whatever.
And without that, you're never gonna be in contact
with anything because everything is just crazy, right?
You're like telling your, giving yourself the discipline
by telling yourself basically, shut up.
Stop. Just, just have neutral space
and see what you hear, what you think.
That little voice. Some, some people aren't,
aren't even aware that they have a little,
a little voice in their head that, you know, the cartoons,
the angel and the demon, you know,
influencing your thoughts and stuff.
It's like you have to be quiet.
You know, you have to learn to silence yourself.
Well, yeah. I have a, I had an interesting,
uh, conundrum with the, the whole thought
and meditation thing.
And, uh,
and I kind of, at least for myself, I kind of figured it out
when I was in Peru, in the mountains, in the Sacred Valley.
And, um, I,
I'd just sit out looking at the mountains on my little lawn
chair looking and,
and just sitting there for like an hour
or two, examining
my thought process, being the observer
to my thoughts, and just letting them
be complete permission.
Go wherever you want to go. No problem.
And at least for myself, I kind of figured out
that the thought process I is,
is, is like a measurement tool, right?
Like, I'm measuring from point A to point B
one plus one equals two, right?
And what I kind of realize is
for the things that are a bit more slippery, like love
emotions or metaphysical stuff, or spiritual things,
because those are slippery, the thought process can't
identify it as a, uh, an answer.
So then a thought process gets caught in a loop
trying to figure it out.
Because the thought process is there to help you.
It's a tool, it's a tool to help you
to figure things out in a way of measurement and judgment
and things of that nature, right?
So, but the thought process can't understand,
like these slippery things.
So then I was like, okay, what do I gotta do
with all my thoughts that were not, um, incoherent?
I, I looked at it as each thought of like an,
like an open circuit that hasn't been closed yet.
So what I did was I, I, I gave my thought process an answer
regardless if it was right or wrong,
and it kind of closed the circuit.
And then eventually I found out that the,
the thought process, if, if used correctly,
'cause we're, we have it, we're created with it.
So we have it to use your thought process
as a tool instead of it using you
as a fool, right?
So you have the thought process, but then you have,
and that's a type of knowledge,
that's one type of knowledge.
It's a thought process like mathematics,
measurement, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's one type of thought, uh, knowledge.
But there's other types of knowledge like intuition, love.
Like, I can ask the 8 billion people on this planet
what love is, and they might give me 8 billion
different answers.
You can grow a lot of different crops in the garden once
you pull out all those weeds, right?
Yeah.
And then, but the thing is, everybody
knows what love is.
There's really no, like, specific, they
Think they do Well.
But the thing is, when you have, when you have like, love
for your parents or your siblings, or you just know, like,
or a newborn, you just,
there's this different type of knowledge.
It's not this type of knowledge. It's a different type.
Same with intuition, it's a different type.
So I look at the thought process, like the intuition,
love different types of knowledge that have
to harmonize like gears.
And then we, when we harmonize all the different aspects
of our own body, then I believe we can do stuff like the
mustard seed type of thing, you
Know? So this to me,
speaks of the nature of balance.
And I, so yeah, the, the difference between the rational
and intuitive mind seems to be that they, they're
different parts of the, a tree of mind is the way I see it.
There's the, the branches of the conscious,
and then there's the unknown aspects, which are deeper down,
that are harder to, um, rationalize without
working with it for a long enough time
that they are integrated and synthesized,
um, into one entity.
Um, but yeah,
it's like there's an infinite potential then when you,
when you can dig, dig deeper, um,
There's also, um, you know, it's like with everything.
So like, your mind is just one muscle, right?
So we're speaking about, um, you know, exercising
that muscle first, you know, but you just go to the gym
and start work, you know, doing exercises,
but that's not it, right?
You gotta make sure you're eating healthy,
you gotta make sure you're getting the right vitamins.
You gotta make sure you're drink enough water.
All these different things that would really take your
exercise to a different level.
And it's the same thing with your mind, or with your heart,
or with your sexual appetites, you know?
And all the chakras all the way down,
they all have like a duality, right?
There's a, you know, pain and anguish, but pleasure and,
and, and love and stuff.
You know, it's like every, every single vortex we're
incredibly hyper complex beings.
And like, down to the cellular level, like you were saying
is like, you know, each cell is like a conscious,
like thinking thing, capable of, you know, disharmony,
you know, causing cancer and,
and disease and virus and stuff.
But then they're like, you know,
um, tumors and all that stuff.
But then also if in the other end is like every cell's
capable of vibrating in harmony with the universe around it,
you know, bringing happiness
and joy to people just when you walk in a room, you know?
So it's like every single little part of us is capable
of either or, you know?
And it's like, like working out like that.
That's one thing, you know, it's,
it's an exercise just like meditation.
But also, see, there's, there's something else too, is,
is once you get into the higher end of it,
once you clear out all those weeds
and you get to a place where you can silence your mind,
and you, you become conscious
of the control you have over every cell in your body.
One pushup can be enough for a total workout
if you do it with every cell in your body, right?
And it's like a possible to do.
But like, you could be sitting on the couch
and actually you, you, without moving physically,
visibly moving, you can be moving every cell, right?
So you can actually get exhausted without taking a
step if you're like a master.
You know what I mean? So it's like, once you learn how
to actually quiet your mind,
then quiet yourselves to your toes, to your fingers,
then once everything's quiet
and you learn to actually communicate,
that's when like the whole spectrum,
you become like a living conscious being, you know,
like a one of them yogis who, you know, sits
and just radiates energy and stuff like that.
It's like your organs speak, your cells speak your,
your mind is speaks,
but not only consciously, subconsciously.
So like, you know, whatever's active, there's also the other
that's sitting there dormant.
So it's like, you know what I mean?
It's, I like the analogy of the water,
because like, when you're meditating
and you get intrusive thoughts that kind of trip you up,
see, it's important that you like,
accept them for what they are.
Even if they're the most horrible thoughts
or even the best thoughts, accept them
that they've come into your mind,
recognize them and let 'em go.
You know what I mean? It is, it is important not
to get stuck, you know?
Yeah. When you get stuck, you hyper fixate.
You know, when you hyper fixate, it's not good.
You know, that's when you get stuck energy
and you get frustrated
or, you know, even love, like, you, you might, um,
obsess over someone or, or, or something, you know?
And it's like, we are like hyper,
hyper complex creatures, you know?
So this is all very interesting. And I think faith, yeah.
You know, when, when it comes to like faith, you know,
faith is just one of those things where it's like, when you,
you feel true faith, just like true love
you feel in every cell of your body.
Like, and it might last 10 seconds if you're lucky, right?
But when you feel it, you know, you're like, whoa,
something, I just got hit with something.
But that's what that is, is like,
no, you didn't get hit with something.
You just aligned like a, like a tuned instrument,
like a guitar tune perfectly.
You just hit that perfect attunement
where everything lined up, and it's like glorious.
It's so hard to stay in that, that resonance,
but when you experience it, you get chills.
You know, you're talking in someone, you get chills.
That's, that, that's faith, that's love
that, that, that's what I picture.
It is, you know, it's like perfect harmony.
Like when you're tuning a radio and you get nothing
but static, that's the intrusive thoughts.
But then boop, you hit that radio station,
it's like, oh, what's that?
Oh, it's a message, right? Where's it coming from?
It's all around you at all times.
It's just, you have to learn how to tune the fuzz out, tune
to that frequency where everything lines up.
And then you get message, you get, you hear things
that you didn't normally hear.
You, you start having conversations.
All this stuff starts happening. So yeah, totally.
Is this attachments, is this the nature of attachments
that we have to recognize?
Every thought can be speaking to something deeper that
we've been attached to that we can detach from.
What is, what is detachment even from thoughts?
Is it even a, is is it deeper into the, into the spirit?
Is there something that's like a chord?
I, the de detachment
or attachment is like, detachment would just be like,
whatever comes, it comes, like, it's just let it come,
you know, and let it go through.
Like, like, uh, you know, like if you,
if you had like a net, like for catching fish,
and you put it in the river,
and then you, in front of the net, you kick your feet
and all this muck and everything starts turning up,
that's, that's your thought process.
And the net is like you,
and like, just let everything through the holes.
And if something really gets stuck in there,
then it's worth getting stuck.
You take a look at it, if it's not important,
you toss it out, but you might get some fish.
You might, you know, you might catch
some good stuff in there, right?
And that's, I feel like detachment
is just letting everything just go, you know,
just letting an attachment would be like, you know, oh,
this is interesting, and pluck it out.
And then you're, you're, you're hyper you're fixating on it
and you're analyzing it.
You're appreciating it and all that stuff.
So have we been carrying on
to junk in our nets since childhood?
That is called our personality.
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. What is the personality?
It's, it's like the end result of all of it, right?
It's like a bundle of habits
and ha habits that we've, uh, habits that we've accu,
that we've created in this life,
but maybe also some remnants from previous lives.
That's really what a personality is.
A personality with the small p
because some of the gurus talk about a personality
with the capital P, which is more like a master.
That's, that's a different thing. But yeah, like
The higher self, maybe Not even the higher self,
more like, um, somebody may,
maybe even like an avatar
or a master who has come here for a purpose.
Uh, maybe like the Buddha, maybe Jesus, maybe Lord Krishna,
uh, maybe Swami Vivica, right?
These people who, they're, they, they seem
to be larger than life,
and they're, they're just, you know,
they're just on a completely another level.
And so, you know, they, they can be a personality of, of,
of a certain age or something.
Um, yeah, I would say like, personality is kinda like your
survival mechanism for, for dealing with your bundle
of traumas that you've experienced from, from the womb.
You know, it's like you are really all the trauma
that's happened to you, you know, you're, you,
you've learned to deal with all your traumas and,
and in your pleasures too.
But we kinda like let those go.
I feel like we,
we hold onto our traumas as beings, you know?
It's like, why do we laugh in the
cartoons when someone gets hurt?
You know? It's 'cause we identify with that.
It was like, I remember that time I got hurt
in a similar way, you know?
And, and now I'm trying to let go of
that, so I'm gonna laugh, you know?
Or you know, you, you kind of, your traumas kinda shape
who you are and you develop a personality built on that.
Almost. Like if there was a shopping cart in the middle of
that stream, it would catch all kinds of stuff, right?
And, and it would even redirect the water flow
of the whole stream, you know?
And that, that's kind of like, I believe
what your personality is, like the wake of all that.
It's how you've shaped yourself
and survived that, that, that garbage
that's come into your life and you kind of polish it off
and you get pr you're proud of it, you know?
So, you know, or, or, or you're not,
and you stay in the house and you don't do things and,
and you don't, you avoid conflict
and stuff like that, you know?
So does meditation. Oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. You go ahead.
I also think, thank you.
I also think that, um, our personalities
are a distillation from all the traits of our ancestors
as well, because each parent teaches their, their,
their offspring,
and those offspring teach the next offspring.
So we're like this distillation, like,
like our personalities can also be, I am,
my personality is like my lineage
Of your flavor. Yeah.
The flavor of my lineage.
But even if you go, uh, uh,
before, like we as humans
in our current form arrived, there's still a lineage
behind that and whatever that form was,
and then behind that, and then behind that,
and then what's the first creation, right?
It was before the first
creation, right?
It all, that all trickles down.
So it's kind of like we each have our own, uh,
I guess you can call it like our, our own families are like
neural pathways of human humanity.
Yep. But it's in the same brain.
And then we're this expression of, of that as well.
So the personality, like, yes, we do have our,
like, kind of our individualized personalities from our own
birth up till now.
That's our own, like, we're adding to the flavor
of our lineage, right?
But like, when I, like,
when I hear myself speaking, I can feel my,
my family speaking too.
Like, oh, when I hear another family member when I'm talking
to them, uh, say I haven't heard them, uh, talk
to them in a while, I can see something, oh,
that's something that's familiar.
That's, that's kind of me. Wow. That's wow.
I mean, you know, that type of things.
Like, like, um, like how, how is it that baby pigeons or,
or baby birds are born knowing to look up for hawks
or shadows, you know, it's like, oh,
you know, it's like, it's in there.
It's encoded in their very essence, you know? Yeah.
At the cellular level, the cells were passed on in the yoke
of the egg to, to know that, hey, when you're born,
watch out for them damn shadows.
You know? It's like,
Yeah, I like your idea, John.
It's almost a fractal thing where, you know,
you can have habits of certain habits today that you do.
Then there's your habits of this year.
Then there's the habits of your lifetime
or the personality slash habits.
And then there's previous lives, and then there's, even
before this planet was existed,
there was probably previous lives on another
planet and all the way back.
So definitely that's all encoded
and in encapsulated in you
and me in the present.
It's, that's fascinating.
And, and the way it's all in there, I believe is,
like you were saying earlier, is with every cell
there's atoms, and then within every atom there's a nucleus,
protons, electrons, neurons, and,
and all those little pieces are made up
of even smaller things that it all comes down to, like,
there, that's all little vibrations,
little micro vibrations.
And, and when certain things enter that space,
those vibrations react in a certain way.
Like bees, if you've ever seen bees when they're all
together high held up, and they have like wave, they,
it's like they're communicating in waves,
but it's, it looks like waves to us.
But to them, it's just little micro vibrations, you know?
And it's a perfect, perfect example of what's going on,
on the cellular level, even in us, you know?
And, and the way a, a flock of birds flies, you know?
And one, the bird sees something
and it shifts the hole, the whole mess
of birds immediately without thinking in real time
to the hundredth of a second.
These are like micro vibrations.
And we as beings are that that hive of bees, uh,
in, in, in the human form.
We are that flock of birds in ourselves.
'cause we're a billions
or octillion of, of atoms all, all resonating
and vibrating on micro levels reacting to all the things
around us at all times, you know?
But the, this is one of the crazy things that I kind
of like, I really cooked my noodle before too.
It was like, okay,
and I asked this question with certain people too.
I'm like, who is the only person
that's been with you your
whole life until now?
Every breath, every thought, everything that you went
through, who's the only person that's been
with you until now?
Me and God.
So same thing. So this, this kind of goes, yeah.
So this kind of goes even further now.
I'm like, okay, if I'm the only person
that's experienced my whole life uniquely for myself,
it's kinda like the double slit experiment idea.
It's like when I am, when I'm here and, and,
and I look like I, I, I don't know what's happening outside,
but when I go outside, it's happening, right?
Like, I can't, I can't prove what's
happening outside right now.
Like there's no way until I go outside and look
and I can confirm it.
So I'm the only one that's experienced my whole
life singularly.
Nobody else has this unique perspective,
just like everybody else in everybody watching you, dudes,
nobody, they're all unique,
but the universe is
completely being experienced through you.
Right? Completely.
So they, this comes back to the mustard seed.
You are the mustard seed, you are the mountain.
But the thing is though, is like when you look at the
mustard seed, you're like, okay, um, I can move
that mountain because,
but we always look at it, we always look at it from like
a positive perspective.
Nothing will be impossible for you.
That statement works for positive things
and for negative things.
We're always manifesting.
We're always using the faith
of the mustard seed at all times.
But, but the thing is that
what we're manifesting is what we're used to.
So I'm gonna manifest mediocrity or a horrible situation
or, or anything.
I'm always manifesting.
But the thing is, we haven't been able to like switch
to be able to say, okay,
I'm always using the power of the mustard seed.
I got, uh, octillion of universes
inside of me, potential energy.
I'm moving the universe at all times,
but yet this is what I manifest.
But I'm always manifesting.
So we're, now, we have to, like what you were saying, uh,
Randy earlier, is to be able to, uh, to
refocus and be able to manifest something that's, uh,
much more out of what the norm is for our current construct
of reality on this planet.
I think that's a good word. The focusing. Yeah.
It's like our minds. And,
and that's why I'm talking about the single pointedness
of the mind as being so central is be, I,
I think even maybe the television programs we've watched
growing through, through our whole lives, they're all
programmings that are coming in
and putting these little tiny preferences
and, uh, feelings about the way we'd like
to experience things and what we wanna experience
that are all scattered.
And so clearing ourselves with those,
This, this, this, this will blow your mind too.
It's not just the, the television programs you've watched,
it's also the television programs you haven't watched
because they're, they're, they're in there too.
And you, you might not realize it,
but they're, they're, they're in there and,
and you're cell, everything is there.
It's like the radio stations are all in the room
with all of us right now.
And, and even if we can't perceive it, they're there.
I think it's the collective unconsciousness
that we're all experiencing is that we're all because
Your neighbor's watching the other show,
and he's vibrating and letting out this aura,
and it's hitting your aura
and your aura's going, ooh, you know, it's all happening.
Right? And it's the morphic feel too hundredth monkey
effect as well type of idea.
Exactly. But also, if there's up pro Graham,
wouldn't there be an anti gram
channeling, right?
So like, anti gram could be something that is, is something
that is not necessarily beneficial,
but it can also be a catalyst, like
what we talk about in a law of one,
it could be a catalyst situation,
but an anti gram could be that type
of program.
But a pro is usually like something positive like a
pro, right?
So this is why sometimes we navigate
to certain entertainment that actually helps us to,
to feel more aligned with something,
or this is why some people wanna watch horror movies
and get scared shitless, right?
What, what would be an example of the anti Graham?
Would that be like the guy who never gets cable, who goes
outside every day and, and touches the rocks and,
and tries to talk to God in his head?
And so is that like the anti program?
I, I would call that probably the program,
because pro would be something positive
and in the anti gram would
probably be something that's reality
Tv. Garbage.
Like a tv. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. By the way, I would like to, uh,
bring up the motion again to name this show
Mike and the meat suits.
I still think that's a good name.
I don't know why you guys haven't latched onto it,
but anyway, uh, let me know in the chat.
You guys like that. Gregory ran, uh,
everybody in the chat, Lewis.
Um, I wanted to bring up this idea that we're,
we're talking about settling the mind,
getting into a deeper state, connecting,
being connect more connected to divinity.
And we're talking about faith.
And in my experience, when I made my many trips to India,
and I would meditate a lot in the ashrams,
there were times I got to a state of consciousness where it,
it was almost like I felt so blank.
Like, I mean blank, like nothing.
I'd get up for meditation and walk
and I don't know.
But so my point is, in those,
in a lot of my experiences,
that's when I felt real faith,
because it's just like a knowing, right?
It's just knowing that the master is there or God is there
and it's not negotiable.
It's like love, right? It's like a mother loving her child.
There's no, it's not like, oh, do you love your child?
99% or 99?
No, it's complete, total,
never in question love.
And so to me, being in,
to me getting practicing meditation enough to get to some
of those states, because when you get some of those states,
even if it's only once in your life, then, you know,
because even the masters,
they don't stay absorbed in the perfect spiritual state,
24 7, 365.
They don't, I mean,
it's always right there in the background,
but they have to deal with the real world.
We all have to deal with the real world.
But what, I guess what I'm saying is when a lot
of people do meditation
and they have these spiritual aspirations,
if there's almost like a wall,
there's almost like an invisible
wall you have to break through.
And what, until you break through that wall,
even in your regular day-to-day life, there's still that 1%.
You're only 99% faith that God is there or something.
But once you break through that wall,
then you're at a hundred and it's over.
You're never go back from a hundred. So anyway,
It's kinda like a meta, it's kinda like a metaphysical
great barrier that we have
to like pass, right?
Because we go through great barriers as in like, um, uh,
in each level of evolution for our, for humanity,
there were things that are like, no, that's impossible, or,
or what, and then we break that barrier.
It's kind of breaking that barrier.
But on the same note, it's interesting.
Well, I'll use Jesus as an example.
When I believe the bleeding woman was Veronica.
I believe her, her name was the bleeding woman.
All she did, she knew Jesus was coming to town.
She was bleeding for years
and years, like this continuous blood, right?
And, and all she was thinking is like, just if I touch,
if I just touch the hem
of his garment, I'll be healed.
Right?
It was her. Would you think it was her faith that did it?
Wait, her cellular expectation
of if I can get there, I'll, it'll happen.
And, and like the placebo that did it,
Or no, Jesus answers it.
Actually, he answers it through this whole experience.
So she touches the Hamm, she gets healed
instantly, and she's like, oh, wow.
Amazing miracle, right?
Jesus comes to her
and says, your faith
in me has healed you.
Yeah. Implying she healed herself.
Right? But she had big
Cellular alignment In him.
Exactly. And in, and that's how, that's how the healing is.
And the, the other thing that I look at too, especially
with like, uh, uh, Jesus in particular,
but I'm sure other masters, uh,
out there have the same thing, is that if Jesus was standing
in front of me or in front of you right now, he would have
an unbounded faith in you
to have faith that would be limitless.
His faith would be limitless.
That you have faith, that you have the exact same ability,
The potential for faith,
The potential, right? Right. And if
You were in front of him, you would start
weeping on the spot. I would, I know I would,
I think I'd, I'd laugh a bit too,
because I really feel he was a comedian as well.
Like I'm sure, I'm sure he had a good, he
Could say that when they die and they have the, the,
the near death experience that they laugh.
It's like joy, endless, you know, boundless joy. So yeah.
You think he was telling jokes about Moses
and stuff, like doing, doing a half hour
comedy set here and there.
No, I'm sure one thing that I've noticed
with myself too is like when,
when I'm having like deep conversations with people,
like on a personal level
and to say it's a serious conversation.
Right? I'll, I'll try like when the energy's right,
I'll throw in something funny to make it,
to bring some levity to it, right?
Lightness. Yep. Yeah.
So I'm sure, I'm sure Jesus did that.
And I'm sure he had some great
one-liners in there along the way to help bring,
Like you said a little, you said like,
not even the most ascended yogi's masters.
They don't live in that 24 7.
So I would imagine that even God probably, you know, like,
all right, you know, let's, well, at least,
Well, I think because we're in his image, right?
I mean, yeah. That's who we are, you know?
And, and wouldn't God have moments
where he is sad too? I mean, I mean,
Well, God doesn't have any personality or, or soul
or mind or body or anything, right?
God is nothing. This, I don't
Know. I don't know. Because
it, it even says like, we,
We are the body of God.
Like I, I think God is like all the things and, and,
and also has the capability of being none of the things too.
You know, it's like that's even in the Bible,
I think it says something to the effect of like,
don't even try to imagine what I am.
Because you're not even capable also. Yeah, we're not,
But the Jesus One definition of God, Jesus.
What's that? It's hard To, hard to define God.
We don't have to get all the way there in this call.
I also think the Bible, like, sorry, just real quick.
The Bible where God speaks, that's not God speaking.
I mean, it's, you can take it however you want,
but God doesn't speak.
He's not a person who speaks. God is transcendent.
God is everything and nothing.
And you, it, it's, we trying
to anthropomorphize God is not the
right way to think of God.
And that's one of the, that's one of the limitations
of religion in general.
You know, there's actually some verses in the Old
Testament where it says
that Yahweh using the word name Yahweh for God, it says
that Yahweh said to this person,
and then it switches to the angel of Yahweh said this thing.
And it's, it's super ambiguous to biblical scholars,
even why they enter, they, they switch between the angel
of Yahweh and Yahweh as synonymous.
Makes sense. But there's a suggestion
that when Yahweh speaking, it's an angel speaking.
Yes. That, that would make sense considering
that God created the heaven and the earth with his word.
Right? If, if God's word is literally capable
of creating all of this, then yeah.
It's not like speaking as like, like we're speaking now,
but it's, it's still speaking
even just at a greater power, I would say.
You know, it's like the hint of, of, of a, an intent
is like God's speaking.
And it would change your literal cellular structure.
Just if God wanted
to even think about communicating with you.
You know, we just use these words like speaking and talking.
'cause we're just human too. But like influence,
I guess would maybe be a better word.
I don't know. Yeah. But you're right.
I mean, God had to create Jesus
or angels to, to come down here just to interact
with us, you know?
And which is interesting
because as far as I know with the Billy Meyer, you know,
and, and the UFO story of Billy Meyer, when he met the,
the angel or the, the alien woman from, she got out
of the craft after it went.
Yeah. And when he went to shake her hand, she said, no,
no, you can't touch me.
'cause if you touched me, you'll die.
Because she explained that she had
to slow her frequency, her cellular levels.
She had to slow herself down just to be able
to be perceived to Billy.
You know? And that speaks as like a, you know, a, you know,
we're at a low frequency now as we are,
but there are different levels,
like we talked about last time, which we're,
we're like ascending two.
But you know, God or,
or Jesus, you know, when Jesus left the earth, he,
he left, he went up.
You know what I mean? To, like, he's all around us, but,
but not physically here, you know,
in incarnate in the body, you know?
And it's like, we're, we're just in between
phases here, you know?
It's like there's a whole probably infinite level
of, of being
or existing, you know, that we're just in a little, little
temporary phase shift of life here, you know?
So
There's an interesting part too with that too,
because when, when people say, oh,
God doesn't exist like atheists, right?
In a way, they're right, right?
Because at least for, uh, uh, my faith
and other, uh, religions too,
they have a similar way of looking at it.
God is uncreated,
because if God existed, God would have
to been created, right?
So God is the no thing that nothing,
but that nothing is full.
And also that nothing cannot be harmed, right?
So we are the thing,
but the only way we can exist is
with that no thing that is full, right?
And, but that no thing is full
and everywhere, right?
So, uh, right here, right now, like whatever this space is,
the things in between things.
Like, I got this thing and I got this hand.
There's space in between
that's everywhere.
And any type of, like, wherever we travel, wherever we are,
even when I was doing medicine work in a jungle, even
that like kind of fourth dimensional reality,
they're still the in between of what I'm seeing,
even though I'm seeing these crazy impossible gears,
which like kind of Ezekiel style gears
and these, uh, crazy like, um, uh, what's it called?
The hieroglyphic type writings popping up
and I'm getting these downloads.
But in between all that stuff, there's still that
no thing in order to get contrast to see
what's going on, right? But would you
Say that even though it's, it seems
as though it's empty space between, it's not empty,
Right?
No. But that it's
The spirit of the, see,
there's we're the physical manifestation.
There's a spirit or puzzle,
or subtle, like think of God.
One way to think of God is the most subtlest thing ever,
that you don't, you can't even describe it like, you know,
subtlety, okay, here's my hand.
It's physical. I can punch you in the face.
Now let's think about the idea of something like fairness.
Okay? It's an idea, the idea of fairness.
Can you show that to me in your hand? No, it's an idea.
It's subtle. The idea is more subtle than physical.
And if you get more subtle than an idea
and you get more subtle than that,
and you keep going, that's
Spiritual dimensions.
Yeah. Well, one way I've appreciated looking at it from
like, Raman Maharshi spoke this way, I think is the, the,
the source, the, the self knowledge, true self knowledge,
knowledge of God is the observer.
And then the observed is all of the, the dream.
So all of light, all
of the manifest creation is the observed, the observable.
And it has a purpose, but it is not, it is not the source.
It is not God. And that the source is
that which is choosing the, the choice of experience
and the, that which is
before all observation. Mm-Hmm.
Yeah. And I, I just
Wanted to mention what allows observation as well.
Oh, yeah, that, go ahead.
Yeah, I was gonna say, uh, I, I believe it's Hinduism that
says that God created everything and,
but God is no more involved.
Like his creation is moving and,
but God's not involved.
So that's why there's evil in the world.
That's why there's babies born
with terrible diseases and all this stuff.
People, all this crazy negative,
horrible stuff that happens in the world.
And, you know, religious people say,
why would God allow this to happen?
Well, he, he just, it, it's, it's us that are doing it.
It's a system. It's
A system. He's not doing it.
But God is creating through proxy
through us, because we're his creation.
So through proxy, he's also creating,
right? So this
Is karma and, and all that stuff, right?
I mean, like, if reincarnation is real, right?
So let's say you live your life within the bounds
of free will, and you chose
to be a mass murderer in this life,
and then you were born next life you were a baby that,
you know, it, it has cancer and dies, suffers and all that.
And it's like Karma's expressing itself one way
or the other kind of system
where like, God designed it that way.
It's like, you know, that's why they say, just,
just be the best version of you you can be
because you, you are being judged in every moment.
And not as if God's sitting there going, Hmm,
I'm judging you, but the system he built is
automatic, is judging you.
It's perfect in itself. It's a self perpetuating machine.
I would feel like, you know, it's like if you murder someone
in this life on the next life, you're gonna have a karma for
that murder if you got away with it in this life.
You know? And that's kind of how I think how that all works.
You know, it's like, how could, how could this happen
to such an innocent person?
It's like you can't see that person for what it truly all is
because it's incorporating its past lives.
In all the, the echo
of its previous existences is being paid
for now in this life.
That's, I think, is God created that system so
that he could like, you know,
plant the seed water and walk away.
Yeah. And it, that reminds me of one thing that, uh,
Babaji said, who was my ma my master's master?
He said, yes, if you know karma
and samskara, that's how it works, just like you said.
And so if you're a bad person,
you're gonna suffer the punishment of that.
But he also said, if you're a good man,
you're gonna be reborn as a good man.
And the whole goal of spirituality in his mind
and in the practice I studied, is to not
be good or bad, is to transcend the duality.
And so when you transcend the duality, if you do it fully,
and this is the masters, they call it Maha Sam,
when they die, they don't, they're not reborn
because they, they have cleared their,
they they cleaned the slate completely.
There's nothing, there's no, there's nothing left
to cause another incarnation. Uh, then what
Happens? Do
you, well Then
Everyone else you emerge with God.
Yeah. Well,
Yeah. It
feels like to, to some degree, you know, one
of my favorite quotes from the law of one, um, is,
is balance is not a difference.
But rather the observer not blinded by any feelings
of separation and fully imbued with love.
So the, the way I think of transcending my need
for birth in a positive sense,
of course positive is an attachment to certain principles.
But in the sense of blending my, by, um,
losing my sense of separation
and becoming one with everyone in my open-heartedness,
when I, when I lose my separation
and I become everyone, I don't need to be Mike anymore.
I can be everyone. And the love that I had
for everyone just becomes added into that equation.
And I wonder if that's what the masters do.
You know, there was many stories.
I just heard a story from Krishna Das. It was so beautiful.
It was like, you know, decades after Maharaji left his body
and died, he, uh, um,
Krishna DA's friend had had a picture of Maharaji,
and she was, you know, a big fan of the guru.
And she had it. She, she actually had this severe illness
and she was in a hospital bed.
She put the, the picture of Maharaji
next to her on her bedside.
And she went into a coma for three days
and she awoke from the coma, and the nurse came in
and said, um, oh, it's too bad.
Your grandfather must have just left.
It's too bad he just left when you awoke.
'cause he was sitting there. This
isn't that your grandfather in the picture?
She said, what? He was here
for three days sitting next to me.
And she said, yeah, he was there the whole time.
So who, who knows what, what it is.
We are, when we transcend the, the need for a separate
identity, we, we can become, you know, the nature
of the energy behind the Adams, I suppose
The way, I just wanna thank you guys
for having this conversation.
This is so beautiful and helpful. I swear to God. Thank you.
Well, it's real. There are other people out here like us.
Yeah, There, there's this wonderful thing, uh,
about like the, like kind of the transcending
and the balance and moving on.
'cause I had a little bit of like a, I don't know, uh, uh,
a thought experiment in a way.
'cause you, you look at the yin yang, right?
The yin yang is like the white and black,
but there's a little bit of each of it in each
of them, right?
So I then I look at, okay, that's our,
like duality in this particular vibration of reality,
like this contrast, right?
And then say there's this, this idea of a fourth dimension.
And if you've ever seen a tesseract, the picture drawn
of a tesseract, right?
They say that's just that drawing of a tesseract
that kind of looks like a cube.
That's kind of like three, like has more dimensions to it.
But that tesseract is like, like a shadow.
If you put a light on a shadow of
what a tesseract looks like in the fourth dimension,
but we only see the shadow
of it in a third dimension, right?
So now I look at it, I'm like, okay, when we balance,
we have the yin yang say it's a three dimensional yin yang.
And when we're balanced, that's a key that fits perfectly
into the fourth dimension test rack.
And then we can open it up.
But just like everything below us, those things
below us is our foundation.
So that contrast, the light and dark is still with us,
but we're not controlled by it.
And we can use that contrast
for more creation right?
As we go on.
Because there's, we have all these levels,
like we have the three dimensions of space, like, you know,
like we have, you can see that when you draw it in, like a
or, or you look at it, you look at whatever we have here is
length, width, height, right?
So we have those three dimensions of space,
but we have what's the foundation of
the third and second dimension is the first dimension.
You need the first dimension in order
for the second dimension to work.
You need the second dimension in order
for the third dimension to work, so on and so forth.
Mm-Hmm. Like, you're gonna build a house,
you wanna build it on strong foundation.
Mm-Hmm. You're not gonna build it on something
that's not good, right?
Another way I would look at that is, is like,
are you resisting something
and you're staying attached to it
because you're resisting it.
So like, if there's something very negative
that I'm experiencing and I cannot see myself as one
with my father
or something, if there's a person
who holds this negative charge for you, well then you,
you're constantly entangled with that up until you can merge
with it on some level and feel, no matter how negative,
I want to see that as I can.
I can still see it as lovable,
as forgivable as a part of me.
And I can appreciate
and have gratitude in the midst of that, that sing
seemingly negative experience.
And then it becomes a part of you and you can move on.
It can actually be the best part of you. Yeah. Right?
It's just like the, like the oyster when it gets a, a piece
of sand, you know, it's like, ah,
there's a piece of sand in my mouth.
But that piece of sand could be the annoyance,
or you can develop it into a pearl.
You know, it could be the best part of you,
the most valuable part of you.
It's all how you, you, you manifest around
that inconvenience.
Your personality is the pearl, you know, developing around
that annoyance, that thing.
Well, well, sometimes also, the wanting to
become one or to become enlightened
or wanting to have like a better set
of circumstances in your life can also be the obstacle.
Because I want to sometime in the future, which
I have, I I've asked so many people
and nobody can prove tomorrow exists.
It doesn't. So the interesting thing is,
is that with
that idea is like, okay, how I kind of look at it
is that we have no choice.
We're already one.
We're we're already in Tomorrow. We're already one
Tomorrow is right now, Yeah, we're already,
so it's kind of like to be able to like have that, uh,
already oneness
because then the rest of those distortions just kind
of like, oh, if I'm already one with everything, then
that removes some distortion already
or removes a particular thought process just by default.
Uh, I'm already, so yeah,
That, that brings me the memory of what my father,
when I was real little, he used to tell me is like,
if you're worried about something and, and,
and then you get to that thing, it never ends up being
how you imagined it would be, right?
So there's a hack, there's a trick there.
So if, if you say you have a job
interview, whatever, you're fearing something.
If you can think of all the scenarios
that you fear the most, it's almost like you're, you're,
you're destroying all those possibilities
because now you're ready for 'em.
So then when you get there, none
of those things can possibly happen
because you're already, you already,
you already experienced them.
So you're already, your cells are already
pre-programmed to never let that happen.
So it's like, if you don't have
to torture yourself about it, it's just like, well,
what you have to search inside.
You have to quiet your mind
and say, what am I really afraid of?
What am I really dreading here?
What is, what has really got me upset?
And get to the real root of that.
Then you're preparing yourself for that, that event
that you're expecting, that it's going to happen.
So you're experiencing it before it has a chance to happen.
So then when you get to that moment, it's not gonna happen.
'cause you've already done it. And
that's why the thing is never the way you expect it.
So go ahead and expect the worst, not don't dwell on it,
just run it through your mind
because then you'll go to sleep.
Your subconscious will take it
and chew on it and spit it out.
You'll wake up ready. You know?
And that's just the beauty
of being a human is we are these tools that, you know,
we're designed to solve problems
and to, to, to triumph over, you know, tragedy.
It's like you just have to be conscious.
You have to just, you know, be in control of your mind
to the point where you have the discipline to recognize the,
the piece of sand for the piece of sand
and make it into a pearl.
You know, make it, make it your strength.
Yeah. I've certainly wondered about
how much our dreams are literally programming what's about
to happen to us, because it's the stuff
that we can't fully process that may be in our,
our future, that, that actually needs to then occur
to us, um, as the lessons.
Mm-Hmm. And I, I think it's all about the relationship
between the, the conscious and the unconscious mind.
And the unconscious mind. I think
of the deepest level is the source of,
of all creation being manifest.
I actually had a crazy, crazy, crazy vision back in like
2000, 2001 area.
I actually, I, it, it feels like a vision,
but I think it was during dream state, I don't know,
but I saw my own death.
You saw you saw the possibility of your own death.
Yeah, I experienced it 100%.
I'm like, it freaked me out for like two weeks.
And then I was in a precarious situation, uh,
not in the best state of mind.
And then I was in my vision. Yeah.
Everything was exactly the same.
I was about to fall down and die.
Then the vision came back. Mm-Hmm.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
I took myself out of that.
That's why I'm still here, by the way,
I took myself out of that.
Yeah. To, as in like,
that's not a hundred percent.
Just like every prophet would say, I'm
Telling you what tomorrow was. Now
I'm telling you. Every prophet
would say, I'm telling you these prophecies.
So you can avert it or avoid it
and try to move past it again,
going through the all the same
thing. Everybody come together.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
'cause and that's like you just said,
like tomorrow doesn't exist
because it's now you just have to be able to quiet yourself,
to put yourself in that place of all knowing, all being,
and you can see the,
the potential rocks you're gonna trip
over and you can see them.
Now. You just have to put yourself in that frequency. Right.
And so that's what you did.
You saw the possibility of an outcome, you prepared for it.
And then when you got there it said, oh,
here it is not gonna happen.
'cause it already happened and
you already prepared yourself.
'cause you knew, you know, that's tomorrow never
comes 'cause it's all right.
Now.
I certainly wonder able To perceive it.
That's the trick is being able to perceive it.
Is there an overlap then between dreams
and deep meditation where all the faculties
of dreaming are open to us?
Of course. Yeah. It's, it's all now, right?
It's like, you know, I can, I can,
I can sit back in this chair, quiet my mind, leave my body,
and come into your room
and describe to you what's on, what's in front of you.
It's possible
I can describe what's in front
of all of you guys right now.
A computer screen,
You know, Ji he said, um, If
You, if you clean, if all your Sams scars are cleaned,
then you will, you,
you won't dream, you won't have any dreams.
So dreams in, in some way are,
again, it's just the, the, uh, the,
the impressions we've taken in that they're leaving us,
which is what happens during meditation too.
All the thoughts you have, it's all these impressions you
took in and they're in there.
And when you calm down, they all come out.
'cause what what's happening is the
universe is cleaning you.
The universe is like, yeah,
you shouldn't hold onto all this garbage.
Let me remove that. Let me remove that.
But as it removes it,
it comes across the screen of your mind.
And that's why you need to ignore it.
Let it And let it go.
And then, because you're being cleaned clean.
And so, uh, anyway.
Yeah. And, and, and once you're, that's why we're,
I think we're talking either
before in a different thing about when you're a kid,
you're able to astral project and have flying dreams
and all this fun stuff.
And then when you get older, it's harder for you to do it
because the pressures, all the things
of the world are on your shoulders.
But it's like, when you're a little kid,
it's like, yeah, I have nothing else.
You're, you're, you're totally clean.
You go to bed clean, you wake up clean spiritually,
you're just like, oh yeah, I'm gonna go explore.
And, you know, and, and you go to sleep
and your subconscious is like, I don't have anything to do.
Do you have anything to do? No, let's go play.
You know, let's go do some fun s**t.
You know, it's, but that, but
I also believe Can come in, you know,
like there are other beings and,
and energies out there that are kinda like,
I don't wanna say feasting or, or, you know, swarming,
but like, they wanna play too.
Yeah. They wanna play too. Exactly.
Hey, if you're not using that body, let me use it.
I got something I gotta do.
Yeah. Well, I, I look at it too, as in like, all,
all those like realms are like actual
places as well, like actual
ex like experiential templates, right?
And currently the primary one we're having is this one,
like the three dimensional thing.
Right. But they all have
a function on some level.
Right. And,
and that's the other thing too, is, is that, um,
with having this potential energy within you to be able to
manifest anything on
demand, right?
It has to take a lot of letting go.
Like, like you were saying, Chris, to let go
of certain things.
These things can still come in as like a, like I, I look at,
I think Eckhart totally said this,
like your thought process, just think of them like clouds
passing by in the sky.
You just say, ah, there's another cloud. There you go.
No problem. Let it go. Right?
And with, with all these other things,
because like, I'm like, daily
I look at the things that I'm manifesting
and I'm like, I know I manifested that
because of how, how I, um, uh,
how I was building it up energetically.
And you know, like I may be slightly better than the normal
everyday folk Right.
At, at consciously manifesting.
But the thing is, is like,
that's still like nothing compared to like
what the actual ability
Mm-Hmm. Potential
energy that you could use. Right?
So for example, like you're talking, um,
Randy about like these spirits that come in
and they wanna like feed off of you type of thing.
They're, they're not part of our reality.
So for example, let's just use like Satan
or the devil, for example, that entity
are basically like magicians.
All they got is magic tricks.
And usually with a magic trick, you need some kind
of like a tool to be able to, to whatever, right?
So the main magic trick is suggestion, right?
So because they don't have access to our world, and,
and they know that we have, um,
all this physicality potential, this faith, right,
of the mustard seeded, for example, right?
We have this faith.
They wanna commandeer us because we have all this power.
We have the power of God to commandeer us
to do what they want.
We have the gift, right? It's the gift of physicality,
the gift of being able
to drive these vehicles in this dimension.
They don't have that, right?
So, so yeah, they're, they're looking to operate the vehicle
of, of what we have as the gift that we were given from God
or, or, you know, the source of creation.
And, and they don't have those vessels.
So they can only influence, they can only suggest,
they can only, you know, bump us in certain directions.
But it's up to us to take control of these vehicles and,
and, you know, drive the, drive 'em around,
you know? Interesting. But
I, but real quick, before I forget, I just wanted
to mention about the spirits or entities that can attack you
or try to suck your energy or something.
Uh, Babaji used to say that if, if you're a student of his
or an abi of his, you can just let,
just let him take care of all that.
He'll, he'll basically protect you and remove them.
And you don't have to put one ounce
of thought into worrying about any of all that.
Just think that Bobba g is taking care
of it all, and that's it. And Yep.
It's how Jesus, certainly, okay.
Jesus works the same way. Right, exactly.
I've been told that my whole life about
the Jesus and the demons.
There you go. Yeah. It's the faith that does it too. The
Faith. Yeah.
That's it. The placebo.
Yeah. But it does feel like there are ladders to faith
that when you, when you get to the higher rung, it's easier
to shoot back up the ladder
and say, of course, of course this can be, um, achieved.
And I think it's that way with healing. There's,
There's a book called the, the, the Ladder
of the Divine Ascent by,
um, I think St.
John of Crosta or, uh, uh,
it's called The Ladder of Divine Ascent.
And there's like 27 or 28 steps or something.
And like, though, when you get to that particular point,
um, like two or three steps
before the last step is discernment
and how important that is to have discernment
of like, beings coming into your field of view
or to understand, uh, certain things
about yourself or about reality.
And one thing I feel is probably the most,
for me, that works the best, I try to keep it as simple
as possible in any way.
Like, for myself, just, just filter it down
to be the simplest thing.
Like, uh, love your neighbor. Yep. Love your enemy. Yep.
Don't judge. Yep.
You know, things of that, like, as simple as possible,
When we have more of an agenda,
that's when we can be more manipulated and programmed.
Yeah. Yeah. And I, I would, oh, go ahead.
Sorry. That simplicity also applies to our will as well.
Like, if you wanna achieve something, you can have a thought
that you're gonna do that thing.
But if you try to get all crazy
and, oh, I'm gonna get riled up.
I'm gonna lift weights, I'm gonna do
that thing and, uh, tomorrow.
And that, like, the, the more gross you make it,
which gross meaning the opposite of subtle, uh,
the more you're just wasting energy.
But the more subtle it can be,
and just subtlest thought possible,
Just no, It's a knowing.
It's like a subtle thought knowing. And then that's you.
That's it. That's the most powerful type of will.
Yep. Just like what I said about the one pushup, you know,
it's like, I don't work out very
much, but I'm in good shape.
You know, my brother works out every day
and he is not in that great of shape.
And it's like, I, you know, I could do 10 pushups
and I'll be good all day.
And it's like my cells react.
It's like I, when I'm doing most pushups, I'm talking
to my cells like, this is it,
do you wanna do a thousand pushups?
'cause I'm gonna do 10. And that's,
that's all you should need, you know?
And it's like if you talk to your body, like they just know
that it's happening real, real time.
Like when I watch like, uh, the, the new like, uh,
whatever speech from whoever in the news
or whatever, whatever highlight, realize,
see on social media,
and they're like, I'm like, man, this is so stupid.
Like, how could people fall for this? Or whatever it is.
And I just tell myself, I know.
And then I project that out into, I actually picture
my translation of this A, b, whatever, A, B and C is,
and I send it through every one of my cells,
and I just send it out like exploded in the universe
because I want everyone to not fall for this crap.
So it's like, I can't talk to everyone,
so maybe I can just shift everyone from my, my living room,
you know, and just send that into the universe.
Just explode like a, you know, a pollen into the, the,
the cosmos and just like hundredth monkey, this s**t,
you know, it's just, yeah.
Boom. That's a prayer basically. Yeah, a prayer. Exactly.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. So I, yeah, the interesting the relationship
between prayer and faith and belief
and, you know, I, I think we should wrap it up pretty soon
and, and, uh, and the recording
and let other people come who are, who are joined
with us now pretty soon.
Um, but I, I also wanna say a little bit more about like,
healing and yeah, I, I dunno if you guys have heard
as a bates method, but there was somebody who
was originally teaching about, you know,
healing your eyesight, uh, issues.
Uh, one technique is like, you put your,
your palms gently over your, your eyelids, um,
not pushing against it,
but you, you can visualize things off in the distance
being able to see very well.
Or if you're, um, farsighted,
you can visualize things up close looking at them very well,
and you just, without even looking, you're imagining
that you're able to see very clearly.
And that's just doing that every day for extended periods.
You start seeing better.
And I assume it's that way with practically any ailment.
How many people who are struggling
with some bodily ailment spend the time, half hour a day
focused in meditation saying, I already feel better.
This is, I'm feeling perfect health.
This is already completely the way I live and the way I am.
And I assume this is a process of shifting your ability
to be ready to step into that vibration on a physical level,
just as you are in the mental, mental and spiritual level.
So this is the question for me, between belief
and faith, do you need to, to believe
that you are well, uh, to have faith?
Or is faith an energy that you're, you're latching onto
that you don't need to worry about what's going on in the
mind, you just latch onto that energy
and you allow that, that, that, that light to,
to come into you without, maybe that's the subtlety of it,
is not having to focus on the, the mental aspects of it.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah.
It's like, not even 30 minutes, you know, just 30 seconds.
Just every day. Just take, just take that time, you know,
before you go into work
and you're sitting in your car still take, take 10 seconds
and just breathe calmly, you know,
whatever you're scared about getting on a plane,
just take 30 seconds, you know, do, like you said,
just, just, just leave.
Go on a, go on a little vacation for, for for 30 seconds,
10 seconds, whatever, you know,
and just put, communicate with every cell in your body,
you know, tell it's okay.
You know, everything's gonna be okay.
You're, you're, you're, you're worth it.
You know, you're, you're better than this, whatever it is.
And that, that belief or,
or that message, that resonance, that that vibration
that you're sending through your, you know, like the bees,
you know, be like the bees, you know, just be like, like,
like what Bruce Lee says, be like water.
Right? It's just let it, just let it happen. You know?
It, it's possible. Yeah.
You can, you can heal, you can heal your eyes,
you can heal your own cancer, you know, you can, whatever,
you know, and if you do that 10 seconds every day,
like you say one day you're gonna wake up
and it's gonna, it's gonna be happened.
It's gonna be real, you know? Yeah.
Just, just that little nudge every day or,
or, you know, twice a day, whatever you feel, you know,
whatever comes into your mind, you know, just going
to the bathroom at work when you're having a panic attack
or whatever, and just sit on that toilet
or whatever, go into that quiet space
and just heal your own cancer.
You know, that's,
I'm sorry. I know,
And faith, I know you were gonna talk, John,
but I have to, I have to ask this.
Is someone able to, to cure their own cancer?
What if they're supposed to have cancer
and can you not still have faith in the universe
and have cancer and die from cancer
and still thank God that you got cancer
and thank you Know what I mean?
Like, like, if that's your,
that's something about this manifestation stuff that I, it,
it's, it's a slippery slope.
All this manifestation stuff,
because it's all ego, you know,
what's not ego saying, God, I submit to you whatever,
whatever I can do whatever you need to do to me, I accept it
with full love.
And that means cancer, if that means anything. Yeah,
That too.
You, it's, it's up to you.
You know, this is your ride, you know,
if you wanna fall off the rollercoaster
and you wanna be happy doing
It's No, but that's what I'm saying.
It's not up to me. It, when you, in, in spirituality,
the only impediment is the ego.
And the ego is the thing that says, I have to live a life
and I have to be strong, and I have to not have cancer,
and I have to all this
Mm-Hmm.
True spirituality. Sorry, Mike, go ahead.
I think this is complicated because I think that there are
different levels of the program that we're, we've chosen,
we've chosen to have certain experiences
for certain lessons, and, and,
and me needing to be taken care of can give someone the job
of taking care of me that they needed to break through.
Maybe I had an agreement with somebody else, even
that I'd be sick for their benefit.
And, and, and, you know, maybe,
maybe there's a certain amount of sacrifice
that goes into our, our own healing journey, um,
and suppressing our potential as a physical vehicle.
But at the same time, I think that to be of greatest service
to others, which is usually what we're trying to achieve,
open-hearted service
and others, it seems as a, as a matter of principle,
that healing goes with service.
That we are able to heal when we are healed.
And, and, and health, I think is like an is is something
that is like light from God
that, that, that comes through us.
So I see health is maybe an exception to manifestation
where health is like the removal of the blockages
that have been, that have been holding us back
Point. No, no, but he's
right too. You know, you're both right.
It, we're, we're, we're, all of us are, right.
There's, there's no, like right or wrong, I guess, really.
And, and what you're saying is true
is like you can be at peace with death and everything else.
That's beautiful. You know?
But like when I said like, cure your own cancer, whatever,
I, I'm just assuming that the person may not want to accept
that, or, or maybe they, they, they just had a child
or something, you know, or, or,
or they wanna stick around, you know, it's like, there,
there's a way, you know, there's a way, like you say, like
with ego to do the impossible, you know?
But, but it's, it's beautiful to just
get old and die too, you know?
And that's, that's, that's beautiful too, you know,
so there, there's many paths, right?
And it's not like I'm saying, you know,
you gotta take control and,
and all this stuff is like, well, I'm just speaking to those
who might, you know, not see it that way.
You know, it's like, it's possible, you know,
it's also possible to come to peace and,
and have the last moments of your life be amazing
and you incarnate a new or, or not at all.
And, and, you know, whatever, spiral out
however you want, right?
I mean, it's your, your,
it's your your rollercoaster baby, you know? Yeah, yeah.
Like you said, it's both. It's both. Yeah.
We, we are part ego and we are part spirit,
and we're, we're all trying to juggle this
and learn. Yeah. Yep.
Well, one thing that I've noticed,
especially throughout the, uh,
my own personal experiences, uh, with this, uh,
spiritual, uh, metaphysical landscape that I've been
traveling myself, is compassion.
And the way I see compassion is I understand, I,
I'm pretty sure everybody, everybody
wants to feel balanced.
And sometimes that balance, they choose something
that, that actually makes more
imbalance, right?
Like, for example, if, if I'm going
to do an unnecessary surgery to me to, to, um,
modify the way I look, but it's unnecessary,
but the drive is in there.
I want to feel that balance.
I wanna feel good in a way,
and then all of a sudden I suffer the consequences
of my decision, either good or bad.
But the one thing I know that connects us all is we want
that balance.
We want that connection.
We want that free
trauma, right?
We want that thing
before the trauma to, to connect.
And this is instead of looking at somebody saying, oh man,
you're adult, uh, now I look at it like, no,
I know you want the same thing.
I want in the way of balance,
and that's where I'm gonna meet you.
You can think whatever you want.
And if it, if it doesn't align with my own,
like, uh, what's it called?
Personal, um, environment that I have in my own life,
yeah, it's no big deal.
But I know that we want the same thing.
We want that balance, and we want that pret trauma
and to make it a post-trauma, right?
Because you need the trauma in between to be able to,
to regain quote unquote what you already have, right?
And that's why we're alive. 'cause we came from pure
spirit and we're doing this,
and then we're gonna get back to the pure spirit.
It's same thing, it's beautiful, but at
This, but the funny conundrum there,
and that paradox is we're always pure spirit,
like having a human experience at all times, regardless of
what we think, what we feel, what kind of, uh, uh,
trajectories we launch it, it's,
it's always good, bad in between, uh, uh, advanced,
not advanced, 11th dimension, 48th density.
It's all spear at all times.
And then, but now it's this, the,
the unification idea now is where are we all gonna meet?
We all have that, that what that spot where we want to meet.
Not necessarily I ideological thing.
It's like, I just want to feel whole.
Yeah, I know where that meeting place is.
It's called a show called Mike in the meat suits.
That's where people wanna meet
Mike and the meat suit, oh, that's what we can name it.
Instead of MEAT we call Mike
and the MEET suits
and a meat suits.
Ding, ding, ding, ding. Winner.
All right. All right. Thank you guys.
I think this was a good place to open it up to, to the rest
of the, the attendees here.
And, uh, I really appreciate you guys. Um, thanks,
Mike. Thanks again. Thanks for everybody
listening.