Good afternoon.
Afternoon. I was trying
to guard people from leaving this place, but they escaped.
I, I don't make a good cat herd.
Okay. Before we start my presentation, as, as always,
we start every occasion with a prayer.
I will say a short prayer in Zuni. Again, let's sit down and
thank you.
I can't even, I can't even see the screen.
Let's see. This one, this one here. Hello.
Works. Okay. This, this is my picture
that I took with the original Ancient Aliens
when we started out.
Uh, my title today is Hopi
and Zdi revealed this true prophecy of the end Time.
And this is by myself.
And then I have a Hopi partner.
Yeah. I'll just give you the perfect,
I'll walk through.
Okay. This is where a lot of people have asking me.
Where in the heck is Zuni at?
If you look at the Four Corners area,
there's the Four Corners area,
and they're, they're the biggest one is the Navajo,
the Navajo tribe.
This, my pointer doesn't work in this light anyway.
Oh, there it is. Is there a pointer here?
But you'll be in control Yeah. If you
Use that. So that'll,
That'll advance it. And that'll
Move it. Okay. There we go.
This is,
this is our reservation here.
And the reason this one is here is
because that's where we call the Zuni Heaven.
This is where the home of the Kachinas are.
This is where the portal to the underworld is also located.
There's a lot of story. It's behind it.
It's been there since the beginning of time,
as I understand it.
And of course, the Hopi nation is somewhere smack in the
middle of the Navajo reservation.
These other tribes are in Arizona down here on the, the,
the Apaches and the papa goes.
So today I'm gonna talk about next slide.
We're on the bottom. Okay, here we go.
The origins of the Zuni people.
We are the only tribe in the whole planet that has our own
language, and that people have been trying to figure out
where our language came from.
It is a very sophisticated language, and,
and all our, uh, Zuni people to this day,
our young children still talk the talk, the language
we teach them every day.
And we also have what we call a bilingual education program,
which we also interpret both the tales,
the stories in English and in Zuni.
And they, we still teach the little kids how
to do the, uh, dances.
And of course, we're preparing them
for the, the future of them.
This is, uh, you probably heard about the,
the CPA who, the emergence back in the,
after the end of the third world.
This is the, the fourth world.
And this fourth world is gonna end pretty soon.
And in the last world, when it ended, it ended
by the other forces, again, natural forces.
And the reason that it ended, it was
because of what we're going through right now.
Uh, previous civilizations have committed suicide.
Nobody came from a different world.
Nobody came from the outer space.
Nobody came from other pla uh, places,
but all civilizations, if you look at some
of the greatest ones, whether it's been Mesopotamia,
whether it's in Rome, whether it's in Greek,
and even over here in the south, our brothers
to the South, they died.
Their civilizations died by suicide,
even though we had a lot of interference by the Spanish
and others before that.
So this is the Hopi place of emergence,
and this is the, uh, the confluence
of the, the big Colorado
and the little Colorado River.
The big Colorado, of course, comes down this way from Utah.
And the other one, the around this corner comes down.
And it actually, our Zuni river, uh,
flows into the little Colorado River.
If you wanna look at the things
that we did about four years ago, it's on YouTube.
It's called Expedition, to See Papo.
And this is where we were going over there to look
for the King Kate Expedition.
And they found treasures at the Egyptian, the Buddhist.
And those are the ones that was taken out in 19 eight.
And taken to the Smithsonian.
We went back and asked the Smithsonian where they're at,
and they told me, or told us
that they dumped them in the ocean, just like anything else.
So, so that's a,
that's just a quick review of where we're from.
And, uh, at this time, I wanna introduce a person
by Malva.
Uh, my name is, uh, Eva.
I am from, uh, first Mesa Hopi. I am from the Snake Clan.
My family, like I say, comes from, uh, Arizona.
And this is my friend Bert Mahu.
We've been friends for a long time.
He says, uh, Zuni Indian.
Uh, what I'm trying to do here is that, uh, I have,
my health isn't very well,
and I've been trying to get some stories out, uh,
about the truth, about the whole piece.
Uh, so I've been in contact with my friend here, Clifford,
and he was very grateful to help me, uh,
get these words out for me.
And, uh, some of the videos we'll be making
and all the other things that he'll be talking about
are things that I asked, uh, Clifford to do for me.
Uh, and I think that will be absolutely wonderful.
So, I want to thank Clifford very much for taking the time
to come see me
and, uh, learn about, uh, my stories, to get them out
to you folks, uh, around the country.
So you will learn, uh, the true meanings of, uh, the Hopi,
the Hopi ways, and, uh, also about the, uh,
the true prophecy that were written down in the 1930s.
Uh, he'll be showing those, actually,
and talking about those.
And we'll be talking about some other things too.
Everybody wants to know about the aunt, people.
We'll be talking about little bit about those.
And prophecy Rock.
He'll be doing a just a lot
of different things over time for me.
And I just want to thank you all for, uh, uh, having me, uh,
be there even though I'm not there.
I'm there in Seoul with my friend Clifford. Uh, Mr.
Clifford Mahi. Thank you all very much.
My name is, uh, Clifford Mai.
I'm a Zuni Indian from Zuni, New Mexico.
I belong to the San Clan
and different societies in Zuni, New Mexico.
I have had a lot of opportunity to have met
with my friend Malva.
And, uh, it is time now for us to talk about some of the
legends, prophecies
and true things that are part
of our history about our culture,
and especially about the spiritual world.
So today I have met with Mr.
Malva here, and I'm so glad that he
and I are gonna talk about some of the things that
the world needs to know about, especially
among the Pueblo people.
And I look forward to having some information conveyed
during our discussions so that the rest
of the people will have a better understanding of the Native
American people in higher.
They have had connection with all different things
that are in question today.
So thank you very much.
Okay. That was just an introductory,
we're gonna go into some more detail.
I can't, this is, I think this is still the Grand Canyon.
Mm-Hmm. Uh, I'm not sure. I can't see.
Okay. We talk a lot about, uh, in our,
in our whole cultural, uh, Zuni
and the Pueblo World system.
There is absolutely no doubt in anybody,
the pueblo people's minds that our
star brothers were the one that gave us the technology,
all the systems that we are still performing to this day.
And we were helped after the,
this destruction of the third world.
And when we came back around into this fourth world,
we were in the underground cities.
What, uh, is now referred to as, uh, in our, uh,
interpretation as the underworld.
We have the upper world, which are the star system people.
And in the underworld, which are also our, the people
that we also have, uh, direct communication with
through our prayers
and our, uh, ceremonies, our rituals,
and our, uh, systems that we have.
So the, the other one too is that
And, and other galaxies, which, uh, are
not only in the ones that we call the constellations
and other galaxies,
but we have a lot of references to all the people
and all the, the deities that came from those planets
and those galaxies, we still have those,
we still have those deities within our tribal systems.
A lot of them were destroyed way back about, uh,
say about 500 years ago when the Spanish first came in.
And then throughout the, between the last 500 years, uh,
I mean, up to about, about the, maybe about the 12th,
uh, about the 1920s, the Spanish came in,
in the 1490s,
and they were, they were still destroying those things,
but we have a major portion of it,
and we had to undergo underground with them.
I have had the opportunity now,
because I belong to many orders,
to know about those systems, where they're located
and how they are kept.
And these are the deities that were given
by the star people,
and in making up the systems of the clans, the orders
of the way it's supposed to be,
and also how to take care of each other, and the,
and the spirituality systems that we have to perform
to be in connection with them.
When I say them, I mean the star people,
or some people call 'em aliens.
And not only from the above, but also from below.
There's a huge, uh, set of, uh, cities
underneath the, we call it the inner world.
And of course, where we are at,
we we're looking at one right now, the, the, the mountains,
the sacred places, all the, the,
where the government has put aside,
then they call 'em national monuments, national Parks,
and there's a reason that they isolated those places
from the Natives way back when.
But that's a, that's another story.
So, so moving forward to it.
Uh, now, now we are very aware of the ORs Bell.
There's people that have written about it on the Hopi, the,
uh, sacred geometry used in setting up the, the Pueblos,
which are now in ruins like Chaco, Mesa Verde, uh,
canyon Dee.
And in Zuni, which where people don't know about is
what they call the Yellow House.
The Yellow House was in the same time erected
during the time of Chaco and Mesa Verde.
The reason you don't hear about Yellow House is
because the zoo is, did not want anybody
to come over there and excavate those things.
And I have very back, good back information about it.
I've been studying it since I was about 10 years old.
So, and okay, moving on to the next slide here. This
Would be, this is deep space square
and to the whole piece, the square.
Mm-Hmm. And the circle is deep space.
So if you see it on a wall, petroglyph Mm-Hmm.
If you see blackness Mm-Hmm.
And circle that means deep space if it's coming from
the Hopi people Mm-Hmm.
It'll be just knocked out.
It'll be just knocked out like this and then chipped out.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Or like this,
and then chipped out that, that means deep space.
Deep space, okay. To the whole piece. Okay.
So this, these are the 19 stars,
18 stars shows summer solstice at one week
after you, you from the Hopi Village, you'll see 19 stars.
Mm-Hmm. Is and the star cluster of Pleiss
or the Seven Sisters.
Mm-Hmm. Okay. So that, that's
what this is the beginning of, of this.
Mm-Hmm. Okay.
So then, like, like you said, out of these stores,
the gravity and all that Mm-Hmm.
One of the stores gets kicked out. Mm-Hmm.
You know, and so it's on its way,
maybe turned into a comet or whatever, you know?
Mm-Hmm. But this one
that we're talking about is behind here.
Big, big store, very hot, big giant. Mm-Hmm.
So what it's gonna do is it's gonna take the path,
which is this path here, okay?
Mm-Hmm. And then once it takes this path, well,
once it takes this path, it's gonna circle the sun.
Mm-Hmm. Once it circles the sun,
once it's gonna come down here
and circle the earth out here on the outer Mm-Hmm.
Perimeter. Mm. Maybe 60,000 miles up, which isn't very far.
Mm-Hmm. Then it's gonna come back down.
Let's see it come back down,
and then it's gonna go back up again to the sun.
Mm-Hmm. In a rotation, it'll be, come like this,
I gotta straightened, and it'll come back down
around the sun again this time.
Mm-Hmm. This time when it comes down,
it's gonna come down close to earth, you see?
Very close. But it's so big that it's almost gonna,
on the first turn, it's,
everything's gonna start shaking, you know?
Mm-Hmm. Like the ground, and everything's gonna start when
it comes around here is be the, the day of purification,
when the volcanoes will come.
Tidal waves. Mm-Hmm. To smis, is that what they're called?
And the shirt, the ground shakes and the earth will tilt.
That's the day of the purification when everything
gets wiped out.
Mm-Hmm. And then once it gets goes around,
it's gonna shoot back up
and it's gonna follow this path up here.
And it's going to impact with the, a solar system out here
and explode into millions of, millions of pieces of, of,
from another star impact,
a supernova type supernova type of thing.
Mm-Hmm. And that's what this means here,
that the earth shapes Mm-Hmm.
It's coming from deep space.
And these are like cracks in the earth like so. Mm-Hmm.
And the first and the second time, the first time,
and then the second time, this came off of a picture cliff.
And, uh, and on the reservation like this, exactly
how this almost mm-Hmm.
Looks, that's why I put it there.
The t on some of these lys is two times, two times
when it circles the earth twice.
Mm-Hmm. This is the earth here.
So long time ago, when I was telling you about the story,
way back when, when the, when the
earth was destroyed by fire, the first,
what happened was a deep space thing.
It flew very close to earth.
These mean little, little, uh,
like me, the ones that fell in, in the
Arizona media crater.
Oh, meter. Yeah. And then all of these little particles,
like the one I showed you Yeah.
That fell all over the reservation, magnetite. Right.
And it hit our, our hit all over the southwest,
but hit our, our village
and busted up all the sides
where I told you the ground is black.
Right. And one part of the ground from one, it looks like
somebody came and just burned a giant path.
Mm-Hmm. That's what happened in, in the beginning.
So that's what it is. Dropping pieces on earth. Mm-Hmm.
That was the first, but this is the
one that they're talking about.
And it will come as a blue, blue, uh,
star, what a star means.
Mm-Hmm. Like a planet or something like that.
But that's what it is. But there is no blue star kachina.
He will not take his mask off. He won't come in.
And that won't start where it will start.
It will be this, it's coming on its way. Mm-Hmm.
So that's where, right now, it's a long ways out. Mm-Hmm.
But this is the one that, that the whole, yeah. Okay.
This is the story of life.
This is the story of what's we're, what's gonna happen.
What we came through already.
The wand that you're holding,
she's holding here is the first world, the second,
third, and the fourth world.
We're in here now.
So when we return, she's looking through to the fifth world,
which we will emerge again with the help of the star people
and the aunt people once again.
So this is the connection with the Mayan, the Mayan people.
So we do this, this is what's gonna happen.
The, this is actually the earth,
and it's laying on, its flat because it's out of balance.
And this, these colors here will be
north, south, east, west.
So when it stands up again,
then the earth will back in balance.
We'll be back in the fifth world.
So when the star people come to tell us what,
what we're supposed to do,
this is a porthole through the clouds.
So when the star people leave, they will be gone.
When the star people come back,
then we will be into our fifth world.
We are waiting for the great white father,
which would be Jesus Christ, to come back
and bring us the one piece of stone to show
that it is actually him.
So that's what this represents.
That's why he has the cross on it, and he's white like that.
And on the back part of it is telling the story of
the migration.
And then we go through the three stores,
which will be Orion's Belt.
But what happens here is Earth,
it gets too close to a planet.
And from heat, that's why we have to go back
with the ant people.
These are backwards, backwards clouds.
That means that the darkness will come
when we get re reunited.
Earth will be green again, this is the line of earth.
These are the people that we will reunite back with
to come back to this world.
The white people, the black people, the red man,
the Chinese people, uh, other people born in land.
That's what these are. And the star person himself, which
that's what we go through.
So that's what this dog is about.
It's about the story of the nine,
nine elders from the nine kivas from First Mesa.
That's why this dog is here.
And, uh, the story soon will be told about, uh,
the prophecy to come.
And, uh, I and Ron are gonna work through,
Okay.
What he was referring to is that there's been a very
false information that has generated in the last 50 years.
And that is, that says that the Blue star Cah,
or others say also the red star Kachina will come
and dance in the plaza.
And when he will take his mask off, he will be an alien.
That was a story made up so many times over.
And I've heard it so many times,
and other people has written about it without any reference.
So, as, as a, a researcher, as a
the scientific method guy, I have been
tracing this story now since I was about,
I'd say in my early twenties.
So I'm talking about way back in the sixties,
and I have been following this up.
And finally I found this gentleman that had been
the first Mesa elder left
of the nine elders.
He, he was trained by the nine elders.
These were the same elders that went to the, uh,
United Nations and the League of Nations,
and told 'em about the Gord of ashes.
Do not do that. You're gonna destroy the world.
And they kicked them out of there.
And they called it, at that time, the, uh, the house
of Micah, which was the, the buildings were made out glass.
So these are, this is the trainee, or at that time,
or not the trainee,
but the one that was initiated into that.
There was another person that was on Second Mesa,
which a lot of people refer to as Grandfather Martin.
I have met with him many times,
and sometimes he is perhaps influenced
by other people that put things in his head.
So he repeats it, and it becomes very well distorted.
I have a lot of respect for my elders, but in my own tribe.
See, the Zuni tribe is bigger than the,
the Hopi Hopi tribe.
So I have also seen that in my lifetime, of
how they treat the elders to get a story
so they can publish a book, get, get paid money,
and be the expert.
So now it is our turn. Remember that the,
And, uh, my, my elders have been
very frustrated for a long time, but
because they do that now, this is the time now
because we can no longer put up with those type
of made up stories.
This is what disclosure is all about.
And we no longer are afraid of anybody.
So this is why we're doing it. Okay?
I come from the Zuni system, okay?
Uh, there's, there's a definition down the line.
In other slides we had,
I had a difficult time putting together,
but the, uh, the overall plu name
for Kachinas is Koko, KOKO.
And, and, uh, okay.
The mythical Koko, if you look at his first
four letters, is KOKO.
All the Kachinas name starts with that. Koko.
Okie means of the rain dance, Kachina,
which you saw in front of that Malva,
the one that had the beard.
Those are the rain makers.
And these are the ones that are just now finishing up.
I think they're gonna have to home dance in,
in Hopi at this time.
Okay. And what shoes? Uh, slide the next one.
You want me to go back? Yeah. Okay.
Lemme tell you the story about these things.
See these, see these things. Beans.
Oh, one of my other slides,
which represented at the UFO Congress,
there was a Saturn five rocket next to this one.
And if you look at that, there are no arms.
And if you look in there, what does that remind you of?
What? Well, it's a whole thing is a rocket.
But you remember in, in the Apollo series,
when they looked out the window, what was the window?
It was a triangular piece, right?
There are so many parallels
with this type of construction.
Now, here is, here is your,
uh, message, message.
I mean, antenna. Here's an antenna up on the top.
This is your euro, like some type of fan, which,
and then there's no arms.
And then I, I have a friend that's, of course,
I also took this in aeronautical engineering.
And some of you are very familiar with the fly airplanes,
the pitch, the role,
and the ya, they're all included in there.
Now, there's a guy in there, there are controls in there.
Why? Because he has to operate the communication system.
He has to operate all the things.
And then he has to have a way to look around there,
and they can actually bend over forward like this.
How can you as a human being, take something like that,
that's eight to 10 feet tall, using one arm
and holding the controls on the other one
and pick it up that you have to be a Superman.
But we ha I have known about these things,
and I was never one of them, by the way,
because it was too difficult for me.
These are, if you look at this guy here, he's a co-pilot.
You look at the cap on top of here,
he's got a little deal on there.
Those are the antennas.
You look at all the other, um, uh,
figures throughout South America, and they're astronauts.
These guys are astronaut pilots.
Now, I did a thorough research on this for a number
of years, and these are the gods, uh,
the guardians, they carry weapons.
These guys actually carry a weapon, but they don't use it.
It's just because they're their exploration.
And what these vehicles were used for was to transport.
How many of you are familiar with transpa?
I mean, panspermia, panspermia is that, that
they brought all the different species from other planets.
These were in our culture
and our history were the one that transported them.
And there's a whole ceremony called the KO ceremony.
That's what they talk about.
All the species are talked about, all the, all the seeds,
all the animals, and all the different,
and this is what they say.
These are the messengers. These are the guardian kachina.
These are the kachina tricksters or the mudheads.
And they were, they were born from incest.
So we also have incest right there in the plaza, what not
to do with your sister, your cousins, and all that.
So everything is a composite of all the things.
This is what we call the Longhorn.
This is like a commander, uh, of, you might say he's one
of the ranking officers of the whole Kachina system.
I mean, the charco system.
There's hundreds of different types of kachinas.
And I will go into the Kachina definition pretty soon.
I just want you to look, get an idea of what,
what these people look like.
Now, these are, this is a replica of an old altar.
You see all this, uh, well, lemme go back to the show you
what Marva was talking about.
See this? See these things that are here, these are,
these are not mountains.
They're clouds. The, these, these step design,
and these are the rainbows.
And that, of course, that's the,
and these are the, what we call our, uh, corn mothers.
Remember when I did my prayer about the corn cornmeal?
This is what we're all about. But this is just a replica.
It's not one of the real things, uh, going on.
Now, there's another thing that's very
Parallel in other systems, especially when you go down
to South America, Mexico, overseas,
we call it the plume.
Serpent, or Ka, what is it?
Kako or Kuan.
If you go to the, uh, to the Chinese people,
they call him the, call him the dragon.
And this is the same replic.
This is the, this is the, this is the, uh, painting
of the original one that was in Zuni.
This is used as the initiation
of the kachina world when we're about anywhere from, uh, 10
to 15 years old.
I just wanted to point it out why they call
it the plume serpent.
These things, it took me a long time to figure this out.
Those are scales,
because he can also, it can also go into the water,
and it can also go up in the air.
Doesn't that sound familiar with some
of the things in the secret space program or UFOs?
No video. Okay.
What, what we talked about over here was the, was the,
the zoo, uh, deities that the, that the star people gave us.
They, they gave us the, the clan system.
They gave us the color system.
They gave us the, a matrix
of all the interrelated activities of how
to carry out our civilization.
It's quite sophisticated.
As a mathematician, I thought it was gonna be easy
taking all the different, different groups, different,
uh, deities, different kiva systems,
different medicine societies.
I had to give up. I I, I, it's hard to admit
that it is like working on a
five dimensional Rubik's cube.
I mean, that's the way I felt. But I'm still working at it.
It's gonna take me a little bit of time.
That's why I need a hundred more years on this planet.
Anyway, this is a, we're talking about deities
and the, uh, the nine elders on this one.
It's too bad. We could not get that, the veto to work,
but the spirit strictures,
the, okay, what I'm referring
to now is this is a Zuni definition of what we call
everything in the universe
that are not human beings alien.
Okay? Let's just go through that one.
All non-human multi-dimensional beings, et
demagogues, our guardians protectors,
knowledge keepers of the past, present,
and futures of earth are referred to as raw people.
Okay? Here's the exciting part.
Beans include bigfoot little people,
orbs And people
flying beans and walk-ins Kachinas
are considered as friends when humans assume their role
for ceremonial dances and spiritual, spiritual rituals.
Kachinas are a representative of ET
because they came from all parts of the universe.
They were the ones that taught the, the Zuni
and other Indian beings, I mean, Indian people,
to do the technology, to do the prayer systems.
You go to all the different ruins, uh, places
that are now ruins, whether it be Charco Canyon, Kenya, Dee
Verde, all around New Mexico, Arizona, clear down
to Sedona, clear down into Mexico.
These are the ones that set up the system.
And they also speed the human.
At that time, we were not human.
We were our ancestors thousands of years ago.
Were living, living things,
but they not have the technology that we have today.
So this is, it's a very, very long prayer process
where they talk about all these things, how they did it,
and, and us explaining to a lot of people, if you go to, uh,
look at some of these pet, you'll see beans that,
or humans that have six fingers, six toes
and tails.
You don't see too much of that.
But there's the, their, their technology is the one
that made the human functional, the original
Pueblo Indian people.
To become functional, they have to cut off their tails.
They have to cut off their toes and,
and even go so far as to fix their anatomy
in the, put them in the right places.
When they have been down in the Grand Canyon for, for ages
after the last catastrophe, there was
so many people down there
and told so many beings,
they became distorted in their physical appearance.
When you're in that cave for centuries
and centuries, if not thousands of years,
you're gonna have an is that
become different types of animals.
So when they came out into the light, they had
to fix them immediately.
So it's sort of like a rapid evolutionary process.
And it was not overnight. It took a long time.
And there's a lot of parallels with that.
In other societies, as we know, you know,
you heard about the ins
and all this other groups throughout the whole planet, but,
and we also call 'em raw people.
The reason that they're all people is they're not
like cook like we are.
The reason that et
or other beings can walk through walls is
because they're, I,
I cannot figure out a word to explain it.
So I call it they have cosmic magic. It's unexplained.
That's something that we, the human race haven't even come
to understand it yet.
But we do know about them. We can see them.
We as people that are spiritual people,
we communicate with them.
A very good example is that when we go
through the ritual process in our ceremonies,
everybody knows what father, son,
grandfather, young one is, uncle,
nephew, brother, big brother, little brother.
At the end, there's two people, two
references to relationship that I cannot understand.
So I asked my grandfathers, what are those two people?
Is they told me that the last two
are not from this planet.
So my deduction, as I asked my grandfathers is said,
are these those people that are coming from the stars
or from the sky?
He said, yes. There's two of them, which are,
I now call them the space brother, space relative.
It's all in our system.
So there is absolutely nothing secret about these things.
If you only, like I said to a lady while ago,
in the old days on the railroad tracks, the old sign,
there was a sign that said, the words on there are
stop, look,
and listen, when those rituals were going on in
Zuni, New Mexico, I sat there
and I heard the ancient Zuni language.
And so many years later, I learned exactly
what they were talking about.
High order Zuni language.
They were referring to space people, underworld people,
all the different planets, all the different constellation.
So we have been in involved with, whether it be Oran belt,
whether it's pladis, even the ur, some major,
all the different planets, and all, of course, the moon
and the sound, which we went today, those are our clocks.
The moon is a better clock than, in my opinion,
the atomic clock.
And the atomic clock is the most
precise clock in the whole world.
So these are the things that, uh, I have been talking about.
But thi this is the prophecies of our elders.
I did not bring the sheet with it
because I did a project in 1966.
There was people like myself that were anywhere from about
80 to a hundred year old people.
They had so many stories.
So we had a, a grant from BER back in the old, uh,
war on poverty days under Sergeant Shriver in
the Canada Administration.
So one of the things that we did was we applied for one
of our programs to record all the pro the history
of the Zuni people.
And we spent a whole year collecting all the,
the information from old people.
Now, I'm in that category, so it's,
I can't really say that hard, you know?
So anyway, we collected all those grandmothers,
uh, the grandfathers.
And these were very, very powerful.
I was 22 years old at that time in 66.
And when I heard those stories that we, they
digested them years later.
And of course, the people that in interpreted
did not know the background of, of, uh, the Zuni language
at, uh, in, in, uh, in depth.
So there's a book that was written about the elders,
and they talk about the prophecies.
One of the most famous prophecies
that we were told when we were kids was that in the future,
our furniture will start eating us alive.
And this wouldn't Kiva.
But because they didn't have a, they had a limited language.
What we did not realize is that what came later,
as furniture television sets, microwave
sets, uh, the stuff
that these guys are working with
Them alive, They will, they will eat you alive.
And one of the most famous one that I used to, uh, remember,
was that back in about a right
before the Spanish came, that they, they,
I understand is that they know Pueblo,
especially in Zuni, they never drank dark water.
And so when the Spanish first came, they had chocolate.
So they avoided chocolate.
And they also later brought coffee.
So they avoided coffee,
and they forgot, well, there's nothing,
you know, so they start drinking.
It didn't hurt them, except maybe about 50 years
later, they brought in something
that was called alcohol.
And so that prophet was fulfilled way long time ago.
So these are, are, there are so many prophecies.
Now you probably heard about the, the, the coming back
of the white buffalo calf woman.
These are not bins.
These are actually white buffaloes.
And it's proven by biologists.
And this has happened, you know,
this is primarily from the Plains Indian Group,
but they, in Zuni, New Mexico, back in the
17 hundreds, they had buffalo, the same stuff
that they, the same animals they had in the,
the Sioux Nation, all across the United States.
So this is one of the, also, it, it came back up again.
Buffalo calf, calf, woman, a lot
of people know about that story.
So this is, this is another prophecy
that has been fulfilled.
This is Zuni, New Mexico.
This is, give you an idea of where I come from.
This is, uh,
taken back in the 1880s under the Smithsonian Expeditions.
It's all in, in the, in those books
that you can get in any library,
or you can go back to their, to their archives.
See, this is the one thing that the Spanish brought
that they, the Zuni adopted, remember the Orno
where they used to have the cooking?
They cooked their meals in there.
And Zuni happened to be one of the most progressive, uh,
tribes that would improvise
and accept things technologically
because they were trained like that.
So when the Spanish first came over here,
they already knew about by their, uh, communication system
of what they did to our brothers, to the South,
killing them, millions and millions of them.
They already knew that we, or,
or at least my ancestors in 1640,
were the first people on in the United States to be
contact, or the, uh, met the Spanish.
We were the first tribe.
Our ancestors were the first tribe,
but they already knew what they did
to our brothers, to the South.
And they, uh, one of the, there's only two, uh,
groups in the southwest, the Pueblo people, the Hopi,
and the Zuni never accepted the Catholic church.
And they, they said that, well, you can stay,
but we are not gonna be converted the rest
of the Pueblo people, if you go, even to this day,
it is kind of a very sad situation.
They were, if you go to Acoma, they used
to cut off their legs, the Spanish did.
And this all, it is all recorded.
And, but we're the only tribe that did not allow
us our people to become Catholics.
However, we allowed them to stay there as long
as they did their thing over there.
And they did, don't interfere with us.
So this is one of the, the places, this is
what it looked like in the 1880s on the
Smithsonian Expeditions.
Here's, um, this a, um, this is how they used
to get in and out.
This is a, this is the carryover from the cliff oiling days.
Remember back when, when there were at Chaco
or, or Camp Verde?
Now this is Akiva.
There's four Zuni.
The old Zuni village is built up on, uh, is, uh, buildings
that were destroyed.
So they've been there for thousands and thousands of years.
There's four levels in under, this is the main plaza,
and this is the Kiva of the Kachina in this area.
There's one below.
In the, the way
that we found out was back in about the 1970s,
we were putting in water systems over there,
and one of the tractors fell in.
And that's when they finally, the, the elders of
that tribe told us that you caved in on the lower
levels of the village.
So they went in there,
and there's actually artifacts like the Hopis have,
the Hopis have what they call flying shields.
And they're about eight feet in diameter.
You know what those things are flying saucers.
And in Zuni that they have the heart
of the Zuni people is in that fourth floor.
I mean, fourth level. There are so many things
that are protected
because of what they did to us that we never,
our people never allowed anybody to come near those places.
But we now know that it has been coming out in recent times
because we have to know of what,
where we came from in order to reinforce our thinking
for the next generation.
In the new world that's coming about.
So these are now known,
but we are very guarded about our discoveries.
These are what we, what our ancestors look like.
These are the, this is the father, whoops.
Lemme go back. This is,
this is the father of this guy here.
Even though they're different ages.
And these were some of the leaders,
what they look like in the old days.
This is what I'm talking about, the teachings
of my ancestors, which I, which had been carried on,
that all I'm doing is I'm just repeating
what they had passed on to us.
But I am fortunate in one way,
that these people spoke Spanish, Castilian Spanish,
because they had to learn that.
In my case, I used the English language
to interpret a lot of the, the systems in a way
that I make it simple to understand.
So these are my elders of past times.
Uh, the nine elders, uh, the nine elders
of the nine ki was when I was a, a little boy,
seven years old.
I was standing outside, uh, by my aunt's house.
And, uh, the cows are on top of the roof.
And, uh, that's the beginning of what, uh, my journey went
to as far as learning, uh, a a lot about our,
our past and our of the things
that are gonna come up in the future.
Um, they choose a person.
Um, and through the years, uh, many, many years,
they teach you each one of the,
of the elders teaches you one part of this.
One part from the kiva, one part from here.
So the nine elders have been around since I would say, uh,
the first 90 elders, uh, from the, about the 16 hundreds.
Okay? As it went along, little by little, uh,
things were put to the side.
And then the nine, the last
of the nine elders is I am the rest of the eight,
uh, have passed away.
They have left us already,
but in the who they are, they're, uh,
their elders from each of the kivas.
Two of the elders are from first and second Mesa,
because they had the part of the, our history
that we needed from their part of the, of their people,
that part Hopi also, Mm-Hmm.
But they, it inter means together like that.
So we needed, so they became part of the nine elders.
So as we, as we went along, I, uh, I learned from each
and every one of them to become who I am now,
which is actually a holy man,
or a holy man isn't the kind of holy man
that people think they are.
A holy man. Uh, for the, uh, for our nine elders is, uh,
for the Katrinas and the underworld.
So I, I deal with the things from the underworld, uh, as far
as, uh, ceremonies go, uh, things
that came from above the ground.
They have things that come from above the ground,
but that's a whole different Holy man.
And then we become priests if it goes on that, that far.
But a lot of the times we just depend on each other.
So what happened was, in the 1930s, we had a,
all the elders got together and we went to Walp.
And we, we sat there
and they invited, uh, the, uh, uh,
university of, uh, of Colorado
and also the natural history of Denver,
Colorado for the people.
And what they were gonna do was we were telling the stories
of the prophecies of things to come.
Uh, so we wanted them there to write this down.
Uh, and they didn't recorded. It was all written.
And first, the, first of all, it was written in Hopi,
and then after Hopi was written in English,
and then they took it,
and then they put it into a type, type thing.
But when, uh, Hopi tells a story, you know, like, uh,
like we all know, when we tell a story of things, we,
we don't come right out and say, uh,
the tree's gonna fall down tomorrow.
We might say a different story.
Like, there was a bunch of trees there,
and this tree got older and he fell and hit a rock.
You know, it's just a long part of the story. Mm-Hmm.
So what happened there was they got invited
and they actually came into the Kiva.
And what happened there was, these are the originals,
these are the original things.
This right here, Clifford, is the envelope that it came in.
This was stored away in the, at, uh,
at the Museum of Denver.
And, uh, it was set there since the 1930s.
And then, uh, a friend of mine, uh,
that's from the Herd Museum, his name is Barton Wright.
Mm-Hmm. He's, he's a book writer, if you ever heard of him.
Uh, yes, I have. Yeah. Yeah.
He, uh, in the 19, uh, 19, uh,
1996, he called my father and said, the envelope came.
This is yours. It's coming back
because my father requested it back now to give it to me,
because I was the last of the nine elders.
Mm-Hmm. And I was to get this out.
And I just sat on it for a long time.
'cause I had to find the right person
to get this information too, to get it out.
So this is original envelope here.
These right here are actually the, the written, uh,
manuscripts that were written in the 1930s.
They were written on these.
I have the original ones that were written in Hope.
There's a lot of them, but these are them right here.
Uh, these are all the originals that were written down
by the people from the, uh, history Museum
of, of Denver.
Mm-Hmm. The ones that we're gonna take these.
And there's a, a lot of 'em here you can see.
And then these, these are all the originals.
And they, you know, they also took photographs. Mm-Hmm.
So out of that, then they took, uh,
to make sure that these were actually the original copies,
there was only one set to ever be made.
And these are the ones here.
What they did here was if you took, let,
see if I can find one.
If you take these and these manuscripts
and you hold 'em up to the light, there's a seal in here.
Um, I don't know if we can see through these lights here.
Lemme find, make sure we got the,
there was, uh, let's see.
Trying to find, okay. You can see through there. Oh, yes.
You can see the seal. Yes. You can't see the seal like this.
You gotta go. You can see the seal through there.
That was their seal stating that these were the original,
uh, copies.
Not copy, but the original, the original paper.
The original, original. They have this seal.
I can see the seal in there. Yeah.
And these right here are second copies.
They had no seal on it. See? None. Oh, yes.
So these are the originals. Originals the originals.
So you have the originals. Originals right here.
And these are the true, the true prophecy
of the Hopi people.
Uh, not something made up that you see on the internet.
Mm-Hmm. Not things that you see on YouTube.
Um, none of that. These are, these are the true ones.
These are the story of the, of the coming
of the white brother, who he really is
and how he, uh, came to us.
Mm-Hmm. How he went through the different villages.
So that's why the nine elders were there
to keep all this history together.
Mm-Hmm. And at one point, when everybody was passed away
and left us, then this was to be given out to,
to tell the people of things to come.
Mm-Hmm. A lot of things in here have come already and stuff.
Stuff are still coming.
And that's what makes these papers so important.
And, um, so what happens there is that, uh,
there is so much to the nine elders.
Uh, it's also about, uh,
the store people and the young people.
I am the one who protects them,
and the one who keeps, keeps them to where they are now.
Mm-Hmm. And who they are.
A lot of people don't know who they are.
They'll write about the young people
and they'll just say, well, they were this and that.
And they won't even be 20 words,
but the aunt people have been around for thousands
and thousands and thousands of years.
Now. There's gonna be a comea time
that I have one actual photograph in the 1930s of one
aunt person that we're going to get out to when we're ready
for the people to show that this wasn't a myth.
That these were real beings and, uh, that I have,
and that needs to be told also.
Right. My grandfather and my father, there were snake
and snake priests.
And my father, my grandfather were medicine men.
And I showed you the photographs Yes.
Made in the 1930 stating that they came up there
with another man making, um, um, uh,
dolls out of clay
and showing that these, these were the medicine man
and the snake clan from.
And those will tell, uh, I'll like
to tell you those stories too,
and you can get 'em out to the people.
But these, I believe maybe on the next time you visit the
people, uh, you can go through these, we have
to go through these a lot.
So, uh, we can talk
to each other about what's really going on.
Mm-Hmm. Because these have to do with a lot of things.
It has to do with the prophecy rock.
It has to do with the coming,
the coming of the people.
The coming of the people. That's why the stall is here.
Mm-Hmm. Uh, the 1, 2, 3, 4 worlds.
The fifth World, you can see the ccino looking
through the fifth world all through, through the Mayan,
our earth, when it shakes, you know, the three shakings,
that's what this is about here.
Mm-Hmm. And then our star beans, once they leave us,
they shall return once we go into the fifth world.
Mm-Hmm. And bring it down. That's why this doll was made.
And this is, you know, like, you know, the north,
southeast, west colors.
Mm-Hmm. This is a returning of the, of the, the,
the white father.
The great white father that's coming, which would be, um,
uh, Jesus Christ.
Mm-Hmm. Um, this is a way,
this is put here to the beginning.
This down here. Clipper is all the people we're reunite
all again, even the star people.
So these stories are in here. This is just a depletion.
This that part up here.
Clifford is telling how the ending is gonna come.
Like you can see the, the moon. Yes.
This blue star, blue star that they talk about.
There is no blue star Kachina, but there is a blue star.
Mm-Hmm. It's gonna rotate around the sun twice
and then circle the earth twice the
first time around the earth.
It's gonna be quite high.
The second time is the time that we have to really look out
for, because that's when it's really gonna be close
and everything's gonna shape volcanoes and all.
That's why this dog was made to, to show part
of what's all in here.
Mm-Hmm. So that's what I would like for you to talk
with the people and, uh, let them know, we'll go
through all this stuff here,
and very important for my people and your people,
and all the people to learn these things.
It's time, it's time
that they learn all of these things here.
So this is why it's very important to get these out
to people that would have maybe many stories
that I would like for you to,
I would like to share with you.
And so you can get all these out.
Like I say, again,
these are the original, the originals here.
And also they also talk about times, these times
that they have here, if you add 'em together, gives a title,
uh, of like, renewal for different things.
Mm-Hmm. And then, uh, there's things we're gonna talk about,
like these people here,
these people here are very special, uh, deities.
Mm-Hmm. That have to do with the coming of, uh,
our next renewal to, uh, our new world, our new order.
And, um, a lot has to do with the way
that we treated Mother Earth.
Mm-Hmm. But we still have that time to try to change things.
Um, they're going to give us seven year period of time
when the first thing comes to try to change our ways.
And those who don't, will not survive. Mm-Hmm.
That's what's in here.
And it's kind of like, uh, uh, telling us what we needed
to do and what we didn't, what we didn't do.
Mm-Hmm. And how we treated, um, the Native American people
and the Hopi Zuni.
And not just the white people,
but the Spanish people, the, the Aztecs,
and how we all just battled Mm-Hmm.
Just seems like, oh, we're always fighting.
Never got together.
But this is things that I would like to get out there to,
uh, a lot of the folks.
And, um, uh, I'm gonna get all these together.
We can sit down and go over a lot of these.
And in time, hopefully you can get these
out there to all the people.
Um, this, uh, what we did here was, uh, well,
I've been going through some of these,
and then we wr we wrote 'em down on a, a newer paper.
Mm-Hmm. So it's understandable.
And what they, what they mean, it's actually the stories
of the prophets are told in stories.
Mm-Hmm. Uh, not more or less.
Like people say, oh, you, a rock's gonna fall on your head.
That's not the way it goes.
It talks about, uh, things about life.
And that's where the hypothesis come from. Mm-Hmm.
And then understand what they're saying.
You know, just like the Zuni people,
when they talk about something, the elders,
we talk about it in a, in a story.
Right. You know, like we used
to sit down with grandpa and grandma.
Right. I'd sit there and the,
and the light would be flickering,
and we would sit there all night, oh, listen
to these stories, what they're telling us.
And then they don't come out and say, this means this,
but then you think about it, this is
what they're actually saying.
This is what they're telling us.
And that's why it's so hard for an a person
who doesn't know our history
and how we do things, for them
to understand the true prophecy.
Mm-Hmm. 'cause you have to know the stories,
just like picture Glip.
Right. You know, picture Glip,
they put something up there, but that's not the whole story.
It could be, uh, down the canyon, the rest of the story.
Yeah. Right. Or it could be behind or put together.
And, uh, clans
and the migration that went
through there put their, their signs up.
Mm-Hmm. But this is how we're doing. This is good hunting.
This is what's happening. You know, we both know that.
Right. And that's the way that works.
So those are a lot of things
that I think we do really need to tell people.
Absolutely. There's so many things too
that I would like to talk about.
Uh, Chaco Canyon.
I have a pretty good idea about
what happened to Chaco Canyon.
Mm-Hmm. It's just from my side and from the nine elders.
Mm-Hmm. I, they ba they,
this isn't coming just from myself.
This is coming from nine other elders from nine different
cavers, two from two different, uh, um, villages.
Mm-Hmm. And so this is a way, none
of this is just one person.
This is a lot of people talking about what is to come
and what is to happening about our
people, what happened to us.
Mm-Hmm. What happened to the Chaco people?
What happened to just a lot of things.
What happened to Orlando? Water, everything. Mm-Hmm.
How important things are.
And I will share with you, uh, some really old photographs
of how we save water, protect water, uh, a wedding,
uh, how we get married.
People don't even know. Mm-Hmm. Is very important.
It's very important to know.
So you learn all these things, then you can share
the right way of the whole piece and de sunnis together.
Mm-Hmm. You know, so I thank you very much
for taking the time to sit with me and,
and get this out for me.
Well, thank you for our start of this project here.
It's really very important that not only our people,
but the rest of the world know about what the earth is going
through, what the people are going through,
and how we can prepare Mm-Hmm.
When things are, uh, in the history
or in the prophecies Mm-Hmm.
That, uh, our elders talked about. Mm-Hmm.
And a lot of this is also the same as in Zuni Mm-Hmm.
And we all have shared
that information throughout the centuries.
Yes. And, uh, this also, I wanna point out
that there's a lot of books, a lot
of stories have been written by outsiders.
Mm-Hmm. I think that it's about time
that people should know that there are some of us
that have this very important information, which sometimes
goes against what we know about.
And, uh, a lot of these stories
and books are written without any sources stated.
Mm-Hmm. Or information backup. Mm-Hmm.
So it is time that people like you and I Mm-Hmm.
Go out there and talk to the public and our,
and our people out there that has an understanding
of what, who we really are
and what we, uh, know about what the future holds.
Yes. Absolutely. We have a, I have a, and,
and without just the paperwork alone, uh, I will,
I will want you to take a lot of the things
that I have Mm-Hmm.
That I say that they've given me to show
that this is really the true, the true teachings Mm-Hmm.
And these artifacts that I have.
And, uh, they will help people understand what we have
to say and about our, about our people and life in general.
Yeah.
Very much. That's, that's great.
And so, um, with this, I wanna let people know
that we are on this project
and we have, um, we'll be on this journey
into the understanding
and interpretation, not only of the papers
that had been written here of the different elders groups
in Pueblo world, but also connections with other things
like Earth changes like the weather, like uh, the planets.
And also important thing is the petroglyphs. Mm-Hmm.
Absolutely. Which tell a whole lot of story,
which are sometimes misinterpreted.
Mm-Hmm. So this is why it's very important that we start
to preserve and,
and make sure that a lot of these information
not only is written down,
but with technology, we can record these things.
Mm-Hmm. Yes. And, uh, I believe in that this time, I think
that the disclosure period is upon us.
Mm-Hmm. It has been predicted also by other pueblos
that this is, this is what's going to happen.
And unfortunately, most
of the information was never written down Right.
And passed on like we have done in Hopi and Zuni. Right.
And in, for example, in Zuni, we still, as, as in Hopi,
we still perform the Kachina dances.
Right. Which a lot of people don't really understand.
So that's what our purpose purposes,
or to make sure that what this is, we're all connected
and they're all connected with us.
Mm-Hmm. With the, the earth, the people of the earth,
and also our space brothers.
Yes, absolutely.
And so we, we have direct connect connection with them
through our spirituality, teachings, prayers,
ceremony, and rituals.
Mm-Hmm. Which we are gonna, uh,
present to preserve.
And this is what my purpose is in getting with you.
Oh, great. And I thank you very much for the information
and some of the things we'll be working with.
Great.
Just To give, just to give you a background of
who this person is, he said that he's the, the last
of the nine elders that of, of their teaching.
He lives in First Mesa.
He is, he has done a lot of other different work.
He's one of the most expert kachina makers of Hopi,
uh, the things that you saw in front of them.
Uh, we're gonna have a booth at the International UFO
Congress in February,
and he's gonna be presenting some
of his carvings over there,
and also the recordings of the songs
of the Hopi, the real songs.
And, uh, what we wanted to do with this project,
what we want to do with this project is to,
to take away the falsehoods and the different fiction
or dust, the bad things that they wrote about Hopi.
Which again, the, the intent was
to give false information to make a quick buck.
And it has been really, we have really been in a very
tough situation
because there's, there was no control
when they used to write about this.
And there is absolutely no such thing
as the Hopi Blue Star Kachina or the Red Star Kachina.
And they're not gonna come into the plaza
and take off their mask and be aliens.
We already know about the alien people.
Why should they come over
and surprise anybody we already know about 'em.
So this is, uh, this is one of the things that, uh,
we talked about and the, then the future things
that will be immediately be put together by us is
that the mummified, uh, ets
that came from Chaco Canyon,
and also some of the information
that I just made a reference
to while ago is the Flying Shields
and some of the different forms,
the different life forms that have been kept by the Indians
for years that will finally
will let us do the ex, uh,
the revealing rather than some, some archeologists
or ethologist from the Smithsonian,
because they have absolute no, no idea
what they're all about.
And so this is, uh, this is a preview of
what will be happening when we put get
together all the other stuff.
This was a very, very quick type operation.
We only took this about two, two weeks ago
when I got an invitation to be here.
So it was really a very difficult,
and I admire that, that technical people at this table here
for providing some way to interpret, I mean,
put together this, this program here,
if it wasn't for these folks here.
And I thank you very much for that,
because these people are the one.
Thank you very much. Okay. Con continuing.
Uh, you're, uh, I don't know.
Uh, again, I want to reemphasize that
since we already had disclosure
and everything's gonna be truthfully spoken, I think
that they saved the best for the last is fake.
No. But anyway, I, I wanna
continue, continue this thing.
Uh, one time I was doing a, doing a PR presentation
on the Zuni people.
See, this is the, oops,
wrong button again.
You're hiding there. Okay.
This is the way that they used to carry our water supply,
even when I was a little kid.
See, see, they go, this is the Zuni River
that they dried out the dams up.
So the the, the women will go over there and,
and put their water and they put it on their heads,
and they will walk into the village
and there's all kinds of steps.
That was one of the tests for a bride. Can you imagine that?
And so I just want to show you this and this guy here.
Well, what time I was, uh, I didn't know.
I looked at my slide
and I said, ah, this is the way they used to transport, uh,
their firewood.
And this is the, this is the old Pendleton blankets
that now if you go to a camera on Arizona, they,
if you ask for a Zuni blanket,
they'll give you a black one, but they're real thin.
But that's still the same thing. Anyway.
And so I made a comment
and I just wanted to same kind
of like they thought I was very serious, and I kept talking
and talking and people were going to sleep.
And I told him that it said, back in Zuni, New Mexico, in,
in 1880, we also had Democrats right here,
As they say, what, what, what did he say?
What did he say? This is, uh, this is the,
what we call the, this is during the great flood.
This is where the Zuni survived,
and the others went into the Grand Canyon.
Uh, and there were several places that they survived.
But this is where the,
the plume serpent comes into in, into play.
These are, oh, well, let's see.
Lemme go back. These are, see these rocks here?
There's a story about rock people everywhere.
These are the, the sacrifices that the head priest
of the Zuni people had to do.
Remember when you saw the plume serpent from the beginning?
So they were, they, the plume serpent was
gonna destruct the world.
And in order to appease him, the the beast, the,
the plum serpent, the, the priest of the Zuni people
sacrificed his son and his daughter.
So this is, this is the one of the things
that they teach us about how to be very dedicated
to things, even if it means
giving up things that you love.
I mean, this is a very cruel example of doing things.
But this is the way, in order to survive,
you had to make a choice.
It falls in the same category.
Is that when, not really, but when you're out in the boat
and then your boat is sinking,
and you got your, you got your, you make a choice
between your mother
or your, your, your wife, which one are you gonna save?
You know? Anyway, anyway,
this is, this is to Allen.
This is up on this in the Pueblo Revolt.
They had to go up there and,
and when they, they kicked the Spanish out there,
and they, they did a very, very successful job.
And the, and here, here comes another spirituality thing
that Pueblo people got together.
And this was the only time in the history
that the outsiders called the Navajo.
And they, the Apache got together with them,
and they did their part.
Now, when, when the, when the Spanish
first came in there,
and they were start kicking the Indians around in Zuni,
there was a colony of, of
Oriental people, Chinese people.
They used to live behind the back of this mountain.
And they had come there probably in the eight.
My research puts it about, about 11,
about 1100, uh, ad
while the Pueblos were still going food blast over
at Chaco and other places.
So they settled behind this mountain.
There was a book written by a person by the name
of Nancy Y. Davis.
And she, the book's name is the Zuni Enigma.
And we have so much history about the Chinese
or whatever, the Oriental people were living with us at
that time, but they did not integrate with the Zuni.
So there is no cross pollination, so to speak,
with the Pueblo people.
They kept to themselves.
And the only thing that they did at that time, during the,
uh, the Spanish when they first arrived
and also during, uh, the Pueblo Revolt, was that right
after that, they left.
They just disappeared overnight.
One of the things that they left was they brought peaches,
which is not indigenous to this area.
So for a long time, when I was a little boy, I used to go
with my grandmothers
and my other, uh, elders people to the orchards
that they provided there.
So we, or have always been integrated.
I was talking to a Welch lady yesterday,
and then prior to that way, way
before the, the Chinese showed up
that we also had Welch people that were among the Zuni.
And, and, and also later on there was
probably, uh, what some people call the Viking,
the Viking Group came through there.
There has been so many different groups of people prior to
1492, Columbus did not discover America.
How can you discover something that's already there?
So this is, uh, this is why we want now
to set some of the facts of our so-called
history that was written by others.
So now, this morning it happened.
There are no longer any more lies
that we're gonna put up with.
And our young people are already ready
to take on that task.
We have an educated bunch now that are saying
that we're gonna destroy everything that they have.
We don't do it by burning down buildings.
We don't do it by burning flags. We do it by education.
That is the foundation.
So this is, this is by my front yard, really.
I have a mountain in my front yard,
and this is me way back when.
And these are, these are some of the ais,
if you wanna call him that, that we had a lot
of sacred places across this.
If you ever go look for the, the, um, the person
by the name of Frank Hamilton Cushing,
he was the only white guy that was actually
adopted into the Zuni system.
And he was made a warrior in the Warrior Society.
And he was sent to defend the encroachment
of all the politicians to take away the land from the Zuni
way back in the 1880s.
So he did a very, very good deeded for us.
And he was kind of like a, a radical, sort of like me.
And, uh, he infiltrated all the, like,
the kachina systems, the medicine societies,
all the priesthood systems, which
even the average Zuni could not do.
And he used a lot of, he was a, he was also a trickster.
He would get through there. But it's a whole story.
You can get books on him. He's a real character.
And if it wasn't for him,
we would not have had the history of what I had learned
from his writings.
And let me tell you one thing, there are certain people
that appear in other, these civilizations
that come in there for a purpose, in my
opinion and my background of my research about him,
he was sent there by spirit people
to record things.
So people like myself can find out
what really happened at that time.
And he was a very, very smart, smart man.
He learned a Zuni language in two years.
The ancient language, it's taken me 40 years.
Could you imagine this man that was there 24 7,
learned it day in and day out,
and he had to be a real, he, he was not a real happy camper
because he had to lay on the ground.
He had to be like an Indian.
They took his clothes off,
they put him in moccasins and all that.
So you, I recommend
that you do research on Frank Hamilton cushion.
And so that's a history of, a lot
of history was written by him.
And I approve of that, what he wrote.
He was with us, with the Bandelier and Smithsonian
and all those others back in the 1880s.
So I'm standing here.
I, what happened was that there was a, there was a, uh,
one of the, uh, seven cities, a sibo.
I remember the seven cities of gold
that the Spanish were looking for.
Somebody told him a lie that the Black Moore, uh,
Esteban told, told him a lie.
He said that there's more gold than all of Mexico,
and it's right there is.
So when they came over there, there was absolutely no gold.
It was other places that they had to go
and places like Utah, Colorado,
but they already knew that they were
coming, so they hit 'em.
So this is, this is one village
that was in existence at that time.
These are, these are structures that were used for astronom
astronomical calculations.
And the, the point is way back over here
where the sun, sun keeper set.
And he kept the calendar of all the different peaks,
and then some of the stuff had been wiped out on the top.
And there's, across this valley is up on the top
of the mountain, is a, a Stonehenge
that was put together, put in there.
Nobody knows how long ago,
because when I would ask my
grandfather, he said, I don't know.
When I asked my grandfather,
he said they were already there.
And that stone hge is on top of a mesa, a regular circular.
And what was very interesting is that there was a spring
that came out on top of a mesa.
How can that happen?
So when I, when I asked that question, I said, well, well,
sun, there's underground rivers.
That's where the water come from.
This is before I went into a lot of research. Anyway.
Now, here's one of the things that I deal with
on ancient aliens with, uh, remember the, the man
with the wild hair, Giro, my buddy.
And this is, these are some in, in all
of the planet.
There are so many, many graphs, petroglyphs,
pictographs, uh, rock drawings, whatever you wanna call 'em.
This is about, this is where I took the ancient alien crew.
And, uh, these are some of the, the stuff
that we took at that time.
This is, yeah, same thing. Here's this is this is Venus.
And, uh, a lot of these are big,
is letter date drawn into those?
You know, it's just like, uh,
so here's the, here's the usual.
This is what probably the,
I think the crab nebula was about, uh, what, 10 on, I mean,
uh, 57 80 or something like that.
So this is the depiction of
what the crab nebula looked like to them.
And, um, so I can, I can't even, it's hard
to see these things, but there's, there's a lot
of these drawings that I picked from about a thousand
pictures that we took that time.
And, uh, see this, these things
that you see in all the places that you go,
these are what we call the, the journeys.
The journeys, meaning that we, we still,
I still haven't figured it out.
Whether they mean a journey on the planet in three
dimensional, or is it a journey to the stars,
or is it a journey to the underworld?
Because some of them, like this next one,
uh, they're vertical.
I can't see where that, oh, right here.
Yeah, I do see some of them are vertical,
but there's never a 45 degree angle.
I could not find one at all anywhere.
And I've been, I've been looking at them
since I was a little kid.
And so these are all around the Zuni Village, within
15 minute drive, they're all around the, the mountains.
And when you're a kid, this is a, this is a common symbol.
See, all these things are the one that was added on later.
You can tell the difference. These are the original ones.
This has been, uh, always been there in
a lot of different places.
I still haven't figured it out what they are.
And so, okay, here's a very interesting one that
when we first walked by there,
it was a different time of the year.
So we didn't see it until, or the different time.
It was this, this was in winter when we walked down window
and we went down the second time while the sun had come up
from the Solstice sea.
So when, when you walk by here, the shadows are different.
Look at this guy here.
So we walked by, Hey, wait a minute.
What's, what's that thing there?
So I went over there and I checked out the peckings on it.
I thought it was some guy that was trying to be,
you know, smart ass.
No. Anyway, so we went back there and,
and the reason that I knew that it was above is that,
you know, this is, it's been about a thousand years
and the sand,
because of the windstorms in the old days, that old,
old timers tell me, we had a lot more water in those days.
So what has happened is that the sand build up on it, just
by common sense, the sand build up on it.
But the original site would've been at least five feet
from the ground at that time, a thousand years ago.
So when we looked at this, we went back there
and looked at it some more.
And I wanted to make sure that this was not put in
anytime after those days.
And you can tell just by the way that it's worded out.
And this, so,
and then that became an, it.
The, the ancient alien guys went bananas.
So see, here's, uh,
here's, uh, here's another shot of it at a different angle.
See down here, this had been breaking off for years.
So this has been way up there.
When I used to go up there
and look at those, they said they had to have scaffolding
to put those things way up there.
How in the heck would they have put them up there?
So there's, uh, there's, my theories have been that,
uh, they build up things
and then they used to use log, not logs in the old days
to get up there like they did in the building of their, uh,
ancient pueblos.
So that's one thought. Now see, on the other side,
you can see these things that were put in recently.
But this, this one has been there for a long, long time.
Lemme go back to where I was working with another guy,
and he's, he had to point this out
because it's a, it's a elongating neck.
And so this looks like a, uh, what do you call it?
The gray or whatever. Okay? So this have been around there.
Now these things are, uh,
some people call it a mountain range.
No, they're not. They say lightning. No, they're not.
And, and see, here's, here's those other references again.
One of the things that, uh, was very interesting is
that we have, oh, this is over there at the,
what we call hot Scrabble Canyon, where they, uh,
when they migrated from,
from the Grand Canyon into the present day,
Zuni in this canyon is where they made the clan systems
in this whole, um, canyon.
You can see where the designated clans were
given to the people.
And they started out with, uh, the different animals, the,
the Turkey clan, the badger clan,
the sun clan, the crane clan.
And in the one of these, now this is, this looks like
there's a lot of things like this that are coming down.
And they, the ancient, I mean, they, our ancestors used
to have the stories of when, when, when, uh, the ets,
or what are we term, ets, when they come down,
they come down upside down.
And they taught the Zuni people into the kachina order
to do that same methodology.
So when, uh, so showed you the Kiva,
when the Kachinas come in there,
they're coming from the sky.
When they go into the Kiva, they come in upside down.
Now you gotta be a very good, a tough athlete.
And they, you, you put your, you put your legs
around those rungs of a letter, and you're,
and you're wearing a mask with all the feathers,
and you're going in down like this.
And so this is, uh, a good example. See this guy here?
Who's that guy? Who's that guy? Coco?
And these are the stake.
And here's those, here's that other phenomena,
which doesn't have the size on it.
That's, that's actually a, a, um, nuclear, I mean, uh,
astronomical phenomenon that was interpreted
by scientists from lost animals.
And it's a electromotive force force that shows,
and usually they have little spots on the side
that is a electrical phenomenon that they used
to see up in the sky.
And, but this, this one here, my friend says
that this was 1190 ad
and I have had been having a fight with him.
I don't like to, uh, he's a, he's a non-Indian. Indian.
And so, because he's my good friend, I leave it at
that, okay?
You believe what you wanna believe. That's his story.
And my story is that this is a U ffo.
Okay? So right away, yeah, they said they've got nothing
to do with volcano.
Volcanoes don't, volcanoes are not like this. No.
And they don't have anything like this.
And they don't have a, they don't have a thing
that this is a UFO.
I said, okay. He said, alright.
I told him, I said, yeah, we engineers don't know anything.
You get your way, but I'm gonna tell the truth next time.
So this is one of them.
There's many of these things,
but they come in different shapes.
I could not go back
and find in 1980, I was on that mountain
that I showed you about.
I was on the east side of it,
and there's a whole panel, I would say about, oh, maybe 20
to 25 feet across.
There's actually a UFO coming in at an angle,
and it's a huge one.
I'd say it was about a foot.
And you can see that it's coming in at that angle.
I went back there a couple times and I could not find it.
I took a picture of it in 1980,
and I couldn't find the, the, uh, the negatives.
So it was on a 35 millimeter camera. Yeah.
So this is, these are some
of the things that are around the village.
Now, one of the things that you probably know about is that
we, or, or my, not me,
because I'm, I'm, I'm a lazy guy, uh, they
put a lot of these different kachina systems.
I mean, Kachina designs a lot of the things
that have been accumulated throughout the years
into jewelry making.
So we still continue.
For example, here's the knife wing God, the knife wing.
God was also another, uh, dego that used
to come from the sky, which is also part
of the medicine system.
I'm not in the medicine system now,
but I'm gonna do it in a different, different, uh, story,
which we're talking about.
Malo and I, we're starting now a series
and we're gonna make it look professional.
So I'm gonna cover a lot of these different deities.
And this is one of the original, this is the 1950s.
Some of you that are collectors of Indian jewelry, this is
what they call the, the inlay and the channel work.
This is when they had good sea seal, all this, all this.
And these are white shell jet turquoise
and different colored shells.
And there were, but I just wanted to show you
that we incorporate, here's a rainbow.
And so the, the Zuni people are known for that.
So these are just some of the things that I wanna show you.
You know, they're, they're very well known
for their cluster work, uh, squash possum necklace,
which they adopted in the channel work.
And this is the set stone work.
I, I tried my hand at it. Lemme tell you one thing.
I I said that.
Well, I'm, everybody's making damn good money on
it in the seventies.
And they were, they were ridiculing me
because they say, your engineers don't make any money.
They said, we're making handovers with money.
So I went back there and, uh, I tried for a year,
and I said it was too hard.
I said, I'm going back. Engineering is easy.
Well, in closing today, I just gave you a glimpse of what
I wanted to, uh, just to give you an idea of some
of the things as far as disclosure is concerned.
It's gonna take from now, from this point on, there's
absolutely nothing's gonna hold anything back.
We have been told a lie
for years, and we were told that
so many lies that we, some
of our people actually believed in it,
and they were captured.
So they're gonna be released now.
And there's this type of effort that I'm doing.
I have, I have talked to many elders, which are,
which are left, is that they're not afraid anymore.
So what, what, what are you gonna be afraid of?
The, the, the, this thing that I say, what can they do
to you that they haven't already done?
So get out there and the hell of them, and let's go for it.
And this. So we do not deal with politics. We don't.
We could care less about it.
We have, we have fought invaders
for the last thousands of years.
And so now it's gonna be another cycle.
However, at this time, we are now
having very close contact
with the spiritual beings.
We are now in total connection with them.
And, uh, we never gave up that connection. We lost a lot.
But as long as there's a spark left in anything,
duke can start a fire again, and a huge one.
So this is my effort with other people like him,
with Malva and others.
And so I have been very, I am very glad to be here
to at least start the little, uh, impact.
And anytime that you have one person doing his
or her thing, it will expand.
And I, I would, I would love
to have sat under a tree in my retirement write books.
I don't have time for that.
I don't have time to write lies about my life.
So anyway, with that,
since you're the sister, you're the hardcore that state.
Uh, I'm, I'm open to, uh, questions.
Could you please tell us a
little bit about the ant People? I've never heard of this.
The ant people are, there's many insect groups.
Uh, the two most prominent ones are the aunt people
and the, um, praying Manus people that were doing,
uh, that took care of the, the Indian people
in the last overturn of the world.
Scientists say that the world has flipped over 14 times
in the last four and a half billion years.
I can't vouch for it,
but we do know that we're just now finding out
that the, the pole, the, the earth has reversed
polarity, and the Indians know about it.
How did they know about it?
Because they have been told
and told of when it happened,
how it happened, why it happened.
The reason that the, the, a lot of things happened.
If you look at the dinosaurs, if you look at some
of the things that are now coming out
of all the different races throughout the universe,
the star system, the different galaxies,
and one of the most benevolent beings were the ant people.
And the insectoid of one of them is the,
the praying mentors, people.
People have seen them.
And in, in our next, uh, project, now,
what we're doing right now is that Mova
and myself, my house in Zuni
was right there on the what?
They, in all Pueblo people, Zuni is the center
of the end world.
And my house was like right there where that shed is.
And I did not know that was the portal for the end people
until I found out when the End Society Medicine people came,
I went back to my society
and I asked him, what were those people doing out there?
He said, where? In front of my house?
He said, that is the place
of the ant people see.
He said, I wish you had gone
and talked with them and say, why?
If you had talked to them, they would have captured you
and made you a ant.
Society, medicine.
Man, we need one in our organization so that,
so we have these sacred places
which nobody knew about, even myself.
Okay? There's two types of an people in Hopi.
The first ones are about three to four feet tall.
And they're clear.
You can, have you ever seen a termite, you know,
you can see right through it.
There's no coloring, right? Okay.
Those, the smaller species of the ant,
people are about four, according to Awa,
about four feet long, tall.
And they're, and they're almost white.
The next species are about six to eight feet tall.
That are, I think, um, if I'm not mistaken,
I think you said those are the red end people,
and they're still down there.
Now, we also know about
what is about portals into the inner world.
And if you really study the priesthood of the Zuni people,
you remember the Egyptian, uh,
what you, what did they call 'em?
The, the rulers.
Pharaohs The Pharaohs and, and,
and their counterparts, their female parts.
Remember how they had elongated heads
and they had elongated heads in South America and Mexico?
Well, our, uh,
hierarchy in the Zuni world, we call them priesthoods.
They're, we don't call them, we don't call them, uh,
ets we call them the Kachina priesthood.
We call them the medicine man priesthood.
And our, uh, the leaders
of the community bylan system there, the system, all that.
When they came to the present day, Zuni,
they were priests.
They were half star people and half humans.
So they had the special place in all
of the governing systems.
Now, what's so hard about understanding that
if they're gods dema gods, then they're demagogues,
they're half aliens, and they're half humans.
We have been told that our lineage,
or go back to the star, star people,
they come from different parts of the galaxies.
Not only in this galaxy, but other galaxies.
The society that I belong to is called a Milky Way galaxy.
And there's other, you look at the Cherokee Nation,
have you ever seen their, their, uh, emblem?
It's an eight star, the Cherokee nations,
and the Cherokees came from pla Okay.
From the right. Yeah.
And so if they had paid attention,
remember my story about the railroad crossing,
if they did not over, uh,
just run over the Indians when they first came
to this country and destroyed everything that they,
they actually gave it to them, but they destroyed them.
And they had, to this day, we have artifacts
that are off planet,
and we hit them
because they know, we now know what they will do with them.
We still use crystal technology. We use crystal technology.
Before, before computers, they were, they would talk
to the people on different planets.
And I say, what? So when I was taking nuclear physics
and I was talking optics
and all that, I was in the back
of the room when I was a freshman in college.
We already know about that.
But anyways, very interested. Any other questions? Yes. You
Mentioned something about not
Being, hi Clifford.
Hello. You mentioned
Something about not, um, having the,
the crack the, um, Christian or Catholic
or whatever come, you know,
and then there was no taking over that,
but then there was the Jesus or whatever on the Kachina.
So I was just wondering, you know,
where was the connection in that way? Well,
See, he, when, when he first said that,
I asked him, I said, wait a minute.
Well, he meant, uh, the white brother.
And he thought that by saying that,
that he would refer to the white brother.
Now, there's two white brothers in the Hopi way.
The white brother is the one that's
what they call the bahana, the one that went east
with that piece.
That fits in the end times when they come
and they fit the pieces together.
Now there's a lot of stories that becomes so damn mixed up.
It's like putting a, like, I do my wash.
I just throw everything in the wash,
and they come out all different colors, you know?
So when, by the time that all these stories come out, I say,
well, now which one is true?
So what we're trying to do is that we're deciphering that
in this information that have been scattered.
So that's the first thing. That's first reaction.
We did not film that.
I said, what is, what do you mean by Jesus Christ?
Because the hopies did not accept Jesus Christ.
The Hopis did not accept Christianity and the,
and the Roman Catholic Church.
So I don't know. I will tell you when I find out.
Yes, ma'am.
A question I'd like to ask you is
regarding the raw people.
Yes. Um, have you ever met a walk-in,
and if you have, what is your thought on
them and your experience?
Well, I, I had two occasions
when I was in Oklahoma in 1975.
I did not know at that time. I just read about him.
But I've been reading, uh, Charles Schwart
and others since I was in the, about 10 years old.
And I knew, I, I, uh, had some idea about walk-ins.
And then, you know, science fiction
has a lot of those things.
The, the man from the future came in,
or, you know, the, so, so I had an experience with this in,
in, uh, when I was stationed in Oklahoma,
and I talked to this man that he was out of, you know,
he was, he just not a type of person that should be there,
and I could sense it, you know, so,
and, uh, the walking was very straight faced.
I thought he was wearing an air force, uh, fatigue uniform.
He wasn't, and I could not see any zippers
or no buttons or, and then he had a one piece suit on,
and I talked to that guy for about two weeks.
And the first question, my trick when, when I used
to be a young man, was I take my buddies to the bars
and they go after the girls, of course, right?
My thing was that I would check around, look around and,
and I would buy a person, a drink, and I would go over there
and said, and then he said the bartender
would give him a drink.
He said, that guy bought you a drink.
I would go and sit down there.
He said, I'm glad to meet you, introduce myself.
And I used to say, pick a subject. We'll talk about it.
Okay? I pulled this on him,
and he, the first question he asked me was,
what good books have you read?
And I said, well, I read this, that
you don't understand my question.
What good books have you read?
I said, what is a good book?
He said, have you read the Bible? Have you read the Koran?
Have you read this and all that? I said, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no, no. So all these experiences, I went,
after I talked to him for a long time,
he told me about the pyramids.
He told me about all these things.
I went there looking for him. I can find him.
I went to where he was staying at, supposedly.
He paid cash for one month stay.
Never gave a forwarding address, never told his name.
Is he, he said
that all he did was pay cash, don't clean my room.
And that's when it really shocked me.
He was a walk-in, according to the way that I learned it.
Second one was, I met this man
that looked like about a hundred years old.
He came to my village. I was doing a, a project.
I was laying pipe, streets and water and all that.
He came in there, nobody would talk to him.
So he said, well, I'll talk to you.
He sat down there, I looked at,
and he was really, you know,
he's really wearing old clothes.
So he said that, I have some, I have some important things
for you to, for you people to have.
I said, what? He opened his briefcase,
and he had this old, old plans.
He opened it up. He said, there's an underground river right
through your village here, your land here.
All you have to do is tap into it and put in your farms.
You can have the water for the rest of your life.
And I said, well, we,
we talk about an underground stream from the Pacific
to the Atlantic in our prayers.
He said, yeah, there is a underground river right here.
And I went back and I looked for him.
I had to go over there,
and I was a construction job engineer at that time.
I had to go over there and make payroll and all this.
I said, sit right here. I said, I'll be right back.
I didn't go back for about two hours later.
I kept got back there.
So yes, I have had, I believe that I had met at least two.
Any other questions? This gentlemen?
Yeah. Um, in the prophecy of the end times,
what happens at the end
of the second cycle around the planet?
The second member, the member said
that when it comes close to the earth, volcanoes,
earthquakes, here's the, here's the, also the,
the fine points of that.
There'll be hot rain.
There will be, uh, like what we saw today,
there'll be like, the blackout in the Zuni, uh,
prophecies is that the,
the sun will not rise, which means it's darkened.
And then the one thing that is very in my,
my brain forever is that the rumbling will start,
the rumbling will start.
And it was so low frequency
that you would not know where it's coming from.
And it is so low frequency that it'll affect your brain.
I mean, your mind. Now,
if you remember back in the late seventies, there was
what they call a Taos Hum, the ta hum.
At that time, we did not realize at the, that, well,
of course, we did not know at that time that
that was those atomic drilling machines that were going
through there from Los Alamos
or Area 51.
And that's the one that melts the rock as it goes.
And it glazes all of that.
So that's, that's, that's the rumbling
that I was in Albuquerque at that time.
I almost went crazy. I thought he was a booze.
But he was, that
Was the guy's name. He
was,
Yes. Snyder. Yes.
They assassinated, right? Yeah.
He, he fought those aliens
68 years working for the Pentagon. Yeah,
I think, I think my question was,
is it an actual literal ending
or is it a, a philosophical, uh,
Okay, here's what happened on 12 12, 12.
Again, the wrong people got the information.
They said, the world is gonna end.
No, the civilization is gonna end.
How many civilizations have ended since way back then?
What happened to the Roman civilization?
What happened to the Aztec civilization in the Middle East?
Way back in there? What happened to those?
It's the, not the end of the world, per se,
is the end of the people,
because people are the ones that do it
to themselves, not the Earth.
Because this is Mother Earth.
This is a living form of life,
which is bigger than all of us.
So when they say that, that we're all in,
no such thing exists,
only man will end themselves.
As a matter of fact, it's better that the man
and themselves, because the earth will reform again.
It's happened before. So this is what, uh, I,
I remember those days when the new
age, I mean the, what do you call it?
The harmonic convergence came about.
There's a guy by the name OFA Wales.
We, he's just like any other writer, you know, I said,
this is a bunch of bss because I, I read about him
and I know who they were
because I, I am a researcher myself.
And so I just laughed at him.
And then also like to off 12 to, what is the other one?
Y 2K. There was a hoax to give
multimillion dollar contracts to consultants.
And I was there, and I never accepted it.
I was in a, I was the, um,
I was running an engineering department at that time, and,
and when they gave it to me, I told 'em to go to hell.
That's why I, yeah.
I'm, that was also another, yes.
Um, your, your, uh, tribe has, thank you.
Your tribe talks to the amp people.
Were you brought from another place on the planet?
When do you have that in your history
where your tribe was brought from another place to
where? To New Mexico?
No, no. Our tribe, our,
uh, I can't turn.
Uh, I can't under, I can't,
I can't remember the term That's, that the ancient
Zuni life forms, let me put it this way, were already here.
Okay. Oh, that the, there's a lot of things that were,
this is a water planet.
Mm-Hmm. Okay. There was a lot of,
there was more water than it is there was,
than land right now.
So when, when the people that originated here
were formed from the earth by the Sun Father,
because, you know, you can see that from a biological,
uh, standpoint.
The, when they first came over here,
the star people came over here, they advanced them.
Okay? The Anki story is a good example. Mm-Hmm.
You know, they came over there
and they, they, when they, when they made it
with the women over there, they, they, they got giants.
Well, in this case, according to other teachings, is
that we were here, but we are not advanced.
Remember when I said that they had to go
through a cutting off the toes and process,
and they had to give them the languages?
Okay. Again, Zuni is a language all by itself.
Nowhere is Zuni spoken among Pueblos.
There's related pueblos that talk in many tribes.
I mean, many pueblos.
We also l learn their language
because our rituals are in their language.
Our medicine songs are in Kiri.
So we had to learn those things.
Other tribes, like the Paiutes, there's a medicine order
in Zuni that are Pa nation people, which are
around Utah in that area.
Mm-Hmm. Now there is so many centuries
of crisscrossing adoption.
Here's one thing that happened that I know of.
We're gonna cover this with Malo
and I, the great Kiva that you saw
see in Charco Canyon is not a Kiva.
That's a landing pad of flying saucers.
Wow. Yes.
It is not a Kiva Kivas did not come about until
after about, uh, Pueblo one, uh,
which is about 1400 AD right
before 1500 AD before Chaco was abandoned.
And how do I know this? Because it's in the songs.
You have to go back to the source.
We have so much information that
if I had another counterpart like me, the Zuni system,
that person and I could get together.
We could publish the whole history of Zuni.
But I don't have that counterpart. So anyway, thank
You. Thank you,
Sir.
You began to say earlier, yes, in your talk that, um,
certain national parks were made that,
and certain tribes needed to be removed from there.
Um, is it
because there are portals, uh, to inner Earth
and maybe ets above that land in, uh,
national parks like Yosemite, Mount Rainier,
and then that's why it's, it's hidden area
and it's limited as to where you go,
even in hiking trails in these special parks.
That's, that's one of the reasons when, when, when the,
the, uh, people first came to this, this continent,
they had already, they already saw from previous records
of other explorers about some of the places
that had remember that, uh, who was it that was looking
for the Fountain of Youth?
Okay. There's other places that were here that were open
to other worlds.
Portos, now the favorite terms wormholes.
And that the Indias could come in
and out, they can go places.
When the, when the American government first came over here
and they, after they wiped out all the buffalo wiped out,
tried to wipe out all the tribes, they started seeing these,
these, these important things.
Why did they call them sacred places?
Well, when they went there, they found out
that there are certain things that existed.
So in order to keep the, first of all,
they kicked the Indians off the reservations.
I mean, not the reservations,
but they'd send them somewhere else.
And they took away all the land,
and they busted all the things that they had destroyed,
all the things that was out there for everybody to use.
So now the National Park Service, the monuments
and all that, and I work with that with,
with them for a number of years.
And if you go back there, for example,
like I was at Mesa Verde last week, last weekend.
And there are sacred places that not only
go underground, but others, other places
that nobody really knows yet.
But we have held them back for centuries.
Of course, old timers have died.
And if, for example, at lost, why did they put loss?
Alamos nuclear labs at present location,
that is the portal for the all the medicine societies
of the Pueblo people.
That's where our Galaxy system came through.
And it's always been a portal.
And they tried many times to destroy that portal.
It cannot be destroyed. I'll give you a good example.
Hey, Clifford, you towards the end.
Clifford, can you tip the mic more towards your mouth?
'cause this is really important towards the
tip the mic toward like
Oh, like that? Yes. Okay.
Towards the end of the, uh,
my career is an environmental justice coordinator.
There is a place in near Tucson, Arizona.
It's called Mount Graham.
Mount Graham was, uh, his right borders,
the San Carlos in Indian Reservation.
And, uh, as an environmental justice person, I had this, uh,
husband and wife.
They were in their nineties. They were St. Carlos Apaches.
I took them, we took them to, to the Pentagon.
We took them to all the different departments
to let them tell their story about the sacred place
that they're encroaching on,
because they were trying to take that land away.
At that time, I did not know
that the Catholic church was financing
that encroachment at Mount Graham, they build up the only
ular mono, what do you call it?
Two Ular binocular telescope in the world.
That is so super sophisticated.
And they put it, the reason they put it on there is
that it's right over a portal.
That's the biggest portal that is right now.
It was put together.
But, uh, my standing
by the Catholic church,
and no one knows
who the other partners were from the government.
And my sources told me, the one
that inspected the scientific parts of it,
these are scientists.
And their information is that when they opened that up,
it was so perfect
that you can see right through that portal.
However, within a year, the ETS
parked the biggest flying saucer in that portal.
So they wasted a billion dollars if
that's not gonna be moved.
So this is my information that I have heard,
so that this happening all over the planet.
And I'm sure that the black op,
I mean the black budget people will soon be
exposed about those things.
And, and the biggest, I mean,
I am not against any organization, but my people saw
and they suffered through
what the Catholic Church did to them on this side
of the Mississippi, where the Franciscans and the,
and the Jesuits, you, I hear
so many stories from the Lakota tribes of
what the Jesuits did to them.
So I think what says thing about what goes around, comes
around type thing is happening.
And, and so, um, I'm not afraid to talk.
And so, question
You, you mentioned, uh, education as one
of the most effective tools of bringing about disclosure
and progress and abundance
and everything that we are, uh, uh, looking to,
uh, to realize.
Um, presumably you been including this information into
not only your teaching, the, uh, uh, language
and culture, which you also presented this information, uh,
um, introducing this into the curriculum.
Have you met with any resistance from the
system? And if you have,
How have you dealt with that?
Well, as, as an individual, I've had a lot
of resistance from every, everybody.
First of all, when I took on this job over 30 years ago,
it said that I had a, I had a target on my front.
I had a target on my back.
The white people target was on the front.
The back target was for the other Indians,
because they do not want to be disturbed
by anybody because of the comfort that was given them,
especially by the politicians that were bought out.
And so their fear is so extreme
because that's what they do.
I went through that with, uh, with IRS instead of the,
the CIA, the the, the FBI,
they're wimps compared to the IRS.
That's, they, they went after me
because I, I did a little, um, uh,
what was told me when I was in high school by the,
the prophecy people about Obama, which I will not get into
because, you know, I, I had a real,
real hard time with that.
And he was the, the bottom line is
that he was gonna start the destruction of
what the United States was all about.
And that it's not my saying, all I'm doing is
saying what I was told.
So please do not kill the messenger.
So, So I,
I think that for, for those of you folks that
sat here till the end, I really appreciate it.
I know that other peoples have other schedules,
but this is not the end of what we're starting.
This is only a start.
And I am now in the process of working with other
elders across the United States, including our brothers
to the south, including our brothers and sisters.
On to the other side, the Canadian, I am now working with
the, uh, province chiefs or wisdom keepers.
And so, uh, they have designated by the South gatekeeper,
and I really don't know what that means,
but they refer that to me.
So, and, uh, what the, Hey, I got nothing else to do.
So anyway, any other questions?
Is this working? Oh, ah, can you hear me okay?
I can hear you. You said
that your people had been keeping some,
I think you said mummified Etss.
Yes. Uh, Malawa, the, that, the man
that was on there, the Hopi elder.
Yeah. Well, it's, there's mummified,
um, et I would say I saw it,
I would say is about, oh, three feet eat.
And it's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's a, it's an et There's,
I don't know whether it's, it's mummified
or I'd say maybe petrified.
It was brought in a beam
that was at the charcoal when charcoal was abandoned.
It was both to Hopi.
And, um, I think I heard you say
that at some point you're going to bring these out.
Yes. Uh, we, we wanted, I, uh, uh, I don't think
that he said it, but in one of the, in one of the,
the video I asked him, is it, shall we go ahead
and, uh, talk about that now?
He said, no, I will, we will talk about it later.
And he did not want to discuss it,
but he did show me it's in a box that,
and, uh, I mean, it, it, it's just, it's just, uh,
it's something that I had not envisioned, you know, even
with all my training of other things that I've done.
Is it one of the grays or is it a
Different, I don't know.
Because it's, it's, it's like I say, it's, it's, it,
you look at it, it's all brown,
because I don't know what they put in that, whether it's zen
or some type of a thing to keep it mummified, I guess,
you know, the, like the Egyptian mummies.
Mm-Hmm. But it's, it's a, it's a material.
And my first thought was that it's got to be pitch,
you know, the, the, um, the, uh, yeah,
the pine tar, uh, the juniper, I mean, not the juniper, the,
um, pinon.
That's what we use for a lot of our preservation.
So that's, we will, uh, uh,
this was a real quick job
because I had to bring this over here.
The next one is that we have some real professional,
uh, photographers.
I'm surrounded by them,
but this was what I needed to do right away.
'cause I had two other trips before I came over here.
So we, we slapped it together.
When I was over there, we were doing fast, fast track.
Apparently we didn't do a, a good job.
But I'm glad, like I said, that these,
this gentleman over here, this crew over here did their best
and that's why we got that. Thank you. Next question,
Clifford, if you can move.
Yeah. Anyway, that's,
And actually, I'll ask a question real quick.
Yeah, sure. So there's, uh,
something I came across recently from an author talking
about the comparisons of the eagle and the serpent
or the dragon.
Have you found anything in your teachings showing that a lot
of the histories you can see in the flags
of different countries where it depicts a eagle, seems
to be doing something of repressing information of those
that have something, of a flag, uh,
depicting either a dragon or something of that.
Have you come across anything in that? Well,
You, if you look at the Mexican flag, remember that
there's a, uh, I think it's an eagle
or a bird that's lifting the snake.
That was the, uh, I can't remember exactly,
but when, when Mexico City was formed, remember they had
that, that, uh, analogy put on their flag.
If you look at some of the flags throughout the world,
and, uh, some, a lot of 'em have dragons.
I mean, the dragon motif is in many,
many countries over there.
They were calling him the dragons, what you hear. Yeah.
And, and here we call 'em the plume serpent.
I, there's a film that I saw many, many years ago.
It's on the Columbia River,
and I have yet to find out who made it and what happened.
It was like that plume serpent.
It was going up and down like this.
And it was poly filmed in the thirties,
and when it stuck its head out, you can see the thing,
like a fin on the top, then went back again.
It's on, like, on Columbia River.
I don't know where it was destroyed,
but I saw it when I was in high school.
And so, uh, there's a lot of things
that have been put away when we asked for it.
Just like that time that we asked
for about the Egyptian and what did you guys do?
Oh, we dumped it in the ocean. Yeah. Gold. Yeah. Jade.
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Super chabra.
Anyway, any other questions? Oh,
Some time ago I heard that there was a problem with, um,
water in the four corners area.
Yes. Is that still an issue?
Uh, yes. Uh, the, the water pack of the Colorado River
is gonna ex is gonna be renegotiated in 1219.
Uh, I tried to get involved with that, uh,
when I was working with the uranium
and all that, the confluence.
But, uh, I haven't heard anything more
because what it's gonna do is that Stuart Udall,
when he was Secretary of the Interior back in the,
the Johnson, I mean, well actually Kennedy Johnson years,
and then they, they negotiated a water compact on the
Colorado River and the little Colorado.
And now they included the Southern Pueblos,
which are not part of the Colorado rear of Compact.
But I'm gonna do more research on that
because, uh, if the tributaries to
that in any negotiation has to be involved.
But I haven't heard anything more. So
I also heard that there was, um, due to pollution
of the water, that there was higher rates of cancer
among some of the Indian peoples.
Is is this still so?
Oh, absolutely. Uh, you know, cancer comes in many forms.
Radioactivity is a very common thing.
It's a natural thing in the waters of New Mexico, Arizona.
However, the, the tailings of it, I got involved with it,
that $1 billion settlement contract
to clean up the Colorado River,
but the EPA took it upon themselves
and hired their own crows to do that,
and the tribe never was, was involved in it.
Now one of the things that's kind of very interesting is
that the Navajo is, uh, part of that
Colorado River, uh, compact.
And, uh, they did not give them the opportunity to do the,
the reason I was there in the beginning of it.
And I just sort of gave up because the government took over
and they put in their own cronies.
And, uh, uh, we had, we were ready to go with the,
the brand new system of recovery uranium, uh,
through a very sophisticated,
patented process outta Arizona State University.
And the recovery was
that it's gonna be atomic grade uranium from the tailings.
So, but the EPA under Obama,
the squashed, that whole thing,
and they gave the money to the, to the,
the private contractors that were probably getting
that money back from them for their campaign.
So I really don't know at this point.
Do you have any suggestions of how we could alleviate
that situation?
Just as people
About what Uranium Yeah.
The, the problem with the water
and the high cancer rates and,
Well, first of all, you, there's,
there's a quick answer to that.
If the United States Congress go on a, a, um,
one term limit that you can get things
done, it's not gonna happen.
We as scientists and engineers, we,
we already got the damn technology.
It's the politicians that rule the world.
We don't rule the world. This is the only country in the
whole planet
that engineers are way below.
And they're, we, they don't, with all the technology
that we have, we are not respected.
Other nations respect their engineers.
This one, if you're a flaky politician, they, you're a god.
So it's not gonna happen. Nope.
Unless we get rid of everybody.
Yeah.
Anyway, I gotta go get a drink.
So thank you very much.