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Welcome guys to another episode of Essential Workers.
This is, it's been a while since we chatted,
but it's interesting timing that I had a feeling like we
really gotta be chatting about some of these things.
Like, this is an interesting time that we're in,
and the subjects I was thinking of covering today are like,
what is evil evilness?
How does perceptions of evil relate to feelings
of victimhood and a loss of a sense of empowerment?
And, you know, where, where,
how much do we see things in terms of the catalytic value
of everything that's occurring?
Like, does the release of the Epstein Files
justify on some level the intensity?
A lot of people would say like, no, no,
you can't possibly justify what Epstein did.
And that's something still trying to process.
Like, there's a time where I was watching Epstein,
like given, given an interview,
and it's like, oh, there's all these videos
of Epstein hitting, hitting us right now.
And it's like, are we, are we meant to be, um,
forgiving Epstein?
It's like I've, I've been taught to forgive everybody
the same love, everybody the same.
And so I'm, I'm faced with this challenge, like,
should I even face, spend any time thinking about Epstein?
Other people are spending enough time, but it's like,
but you could extend that further.
Like, you know, obviously warfare is a huge challenge
that we have to face collectively.
Like, we should not be, it, it seems obvious
that we should not be killing people, but,
but I also don't understand the depth of the corruption,
the depth of the crime, the depth of the, the evil that is,
is genuine and perhaps purposeful in the way in which it's
catalyzing the rest of us to band around a desire
to work together and collaborate more, cooperate more,
is evil, a necessary thing to catalyze us to cooperate more.
Um, but, but ultimately the spiritual lessons here are like,
how much does this apply to, to, to us individually?
And what is it that, that we are not able to break
through in our own unforgiveness?
And if we can open our hearts to everyone universally
through the situations that are happening, does
that empower us to become better humans, more awakened,
more alive, to, to, you know, shine the light
of the creator, shine the love of,
of Christ more into, into our reality?
What are you guys thoughts on these?
Can I ask a question?
Chris has to go first with your question.
Chris always goes last. Okay. Okay.
Yeah, Carissa always goes last, but that's okay.
I, I think I always go first, but that's okay too.
That's okay. A a after Mike, but, okay.
The question is, is there such a thing
as absolute
pure evil?
Well, what is evil before we say what its purity is?
What is it?
I would say it's metaphysical darkness.
And I believe in archetypes as being darkness and light.
In that sense, the, the existence
of it is still an illusion.
It's chosen as a symbol.
Just like in your dream, you can have a
nightmare, you know, you had a nightmare.
There is such a thing as having a nightmare
because you wake up terrified.
So, you know that that's a category of experience
that you can have, but the purity
of it might not be something we can
ever absolutely appreciate.
So like, is it like, if, so when I say purity, it's like,
um, like in Star Wars, there's the force,
and the force can be wielded for positive
or negative things, but that comes from a source,
which is an energy somewhere through all things.
I don't know if it has an origin, but there's the force,
and that is always forgivable.
You can always forgive the force,
but the individual, you know, at what point do we,
do we find it no longer acceptable to forgive?
You know? I mean, if someone like Epstein really did,
you know, or the people involved in him
around him really did the horrible things,
is it really in us to forgive
or is that something that like, you know, once you get
to a level of godliness, you know, I mean,
Jesus judges, right?
And then, you know, whether
or not you make it into heaven goes through Jesus, you know,
is it, is, are we capable of that level of loving all,
you know, I don't know.
Well, didn't you ask for like a,
a basic definition of what evil,
What is evil could be?
Okay, so I'm saying this evil, the,
the description I feel probably encapsulates it.
The best evil is deception.
So to almost answer my own question,
if there is a hundred percent
deception, it can't exist.
Evil can't actually exist.
If it's a hundred percent deception,
it could be 99.9% deception, which is the closest thing
to absolute evil as you can possibly get to.
But everything usually comes
because of, uh, either the lack of love
or looking to find love.
So if somebody is harmed, say the Epstein victims,
right, at a young age,
it's because of the, uh, uh, uh, distorted view of love
or the lack of love.
So when they grow up,
they carry on the same types of things to their victims.
Usually people who are abused at a young age, usually
without, if, if they don't get help, usually turn out
to be the abusers.
Yeah. So I would say Epstein was probably abused
to do that abuse because of the love, the lack of love,
or trying to find love.
Well, it's like, um, when something gets robbed from you,
like if you were raped or, you know, hurt bad
or something like that, there's like a,
something's been robbed from you,
and then you spend your life trying to get that back.
Trying to find that perfect fit to, to fill that,
that specific puzzle piece that's missing from you.
And in that desperate search,
I think you just end up repeating kind of the,
the hole that's in you, you know?
Yeah. I do like
that the law one consistently uses the term distortion,
because distortion is like deception.
You're distorting that, which is the,
the purified awareness, the purified understanding
of something, and then the distorted perceptions of love,
which obviously sexuality tends to, to represent.
It's like, it's like there's, there's a calling for love
very often when we're opening
our energy to other, another person.
But then when there's games of control and manipulation,
because someone thinks that's, that's the way to,
to get energy from someone, is to control and manipulate
and twist the energy.
Hold them captive. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like enslavement. Enslavement is the,
Well, you know, like giving birth and, and having kids,
and I don't have kids, so maybe I'm not qualified
to speak on this, but I think that
that act is like the ultimate act.
'cause you're like finding something within that person
that you want to join with somehow,
and your body just kind of knows what to do, you know?
And the, the, the, the miracle of that is
that you give birth to someone that literally is half you
and half that other person, you know?
So, I mean, nature's just showing us there is that duality
that, you know, that connection, that energy,
that primal thing within all living things, you know,
I mean, it just, it, it, it's there.
Bio. It's there at a core level,
like a vibrational cellular level in your biology from the
moment you're born is like your whole purpose, just like,
you know, like mushrooms or anything else.
The whole purpose is to reproduce
and spread, you know, some expression
of yourself everywhere, you know?
Yeah. Chris,
But evil, evil could do the same thing.
You know, there could be a source for like, life and evil
and goodness and all that.
I don't know. You know, what is the,
the fabric of the universe?
Is it that literal thing?
You know, is it God's exploded
and made him as much of himself or itself that could exist?
And that's what all of this is down to the micro level.
I don't know.
You, you mentioned mushrooms. I thought we were,
What's that? The mustard seed?
No, you, you mentioned mushrooms.
I thought you were going in a different direction there.
Oh, yeah, baby. Um,
That's what I was thinking too.
So in terms of like evil
and, you know, light and dark, it, it's duality, right?
So duality exists in our
level of existing, right, in our realities.
Uh, but, but pure divinity, there are no dualities, right?
So it's beyond duality, right?
So, so here, when we have duality, when you're born
as a human being, yes, there's gonna be negative stuff,
positive stuff, there's gonna be
evil, whatever you wanna call it.
It is, it's gonna be all that.
It's like a, it, it, it, it's like a whole, that,
that's the nature of this level of existing is the ups
and downs, the dark and light.
It, it, and both have to be there
because that's the nature of this level of existing.
And so, if, if you want the world
to be a hundred percent positive,
it's not, it's never going to be.
It's never going to be. And if you want,
and same with being a hundred percent negative,
it's never going to be, it's just a constant, this and that.
And so when it comes to forgiveness,
when you talk about forgiving someone like Epstein
or whatever, um,
and th this might sound provocative or like fighting words,
but, uh, who, who are you to forgive?
Well, is it, is it forgiving?
Like, I don't think you have power over that soul.
I think it's more like find a place within yourself
to still love that person despite what they've done.
You know, it's more of an attuning of self to the be the,
the possibility of being accepting on a soul,
maybe just a soul level alone, that the spirit
can be forgiven even though the individual maybe cannot.
It's something higher within yourself
that I think you're trying to attune to the finding of love
for that even that person, you know, despite
what they've done in a life.
Yeah. Forgiveness benefits, the one doing the forgiving in
that definition of forgiveness.
And the opening of the heart, to me,
is the same thing as forgiveness.
When there was a blockage of the heart to seek someone else
as me, or an extension of me, or, uh, or a reflection
or, uh, you know, a mirror image that I'm, is useful for me
to work from a, as a source of teaching,
and I can be become more open-hearted
as I appreciate the fact that there is a lot of dark stuff,
but I can still see that we're working together.
We can hold hands together to try to ascend in,
bring making this world a better place once we can shine
more light on the dark corners and,
and give people support when they need it,
when they're in dark places, uh, without, you know, without
enhancing the darkness through.
Um, but this is, that's, that's the weird thing.
Setting boundaries is like, there's even law
of one passage about how there are beings
who are higher density consciousnesses, who they know
that their job is to, to love and that,
but they say that there's, there's a de depletion
of their ability to love through a failure to accept
that which is given from the other side.
The dark, the dark side.
The dark side is depleted through a failure to manipulate.
The positive side is depleted through a failure to accept
that which is given with that which is given being a, a,
a desire to enslave the path of enslavement is not
what these beings wanna see for humanity.
They wanna see us liberated from enslavement,
so they cannot be fully accepting
and forgiving, uh, of, of the dark forces
that wanna control humanity.
Although perhaps they can still find a way
to be open hearted and loving.
But there's still gotta be some, some block, some blackness
to seeing yourself as one with
that which is only wanting to enslave.
Well, Mike, like the, the, the law of one says, it's like,
um, not all the fruit's gonna make it to the harvest.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just,
there's just gonna be some fruit that can't be allowed in,
But you Know what I mean? And
I don't think there's anything that we can do to ripen
that or bring that fruit back from wherever it's gonna be
where, you know, when the harvest does happen.
But I do believe that there is gonna be a tipping
of the scales of the boat
or whatever, the rock rocking of this society,
of this planet, you know, that there will be a judgment,
you know, there will be a gathering
or an event or something coming.
I mean, all religions even point to that,
or most religions point to something of
that nature happening, you know,
and history even, you know,
look at all the ancient peoples all
of a sudden wiped out dinosaurs, wiped out.
Like it might just be this planet, you know,
this planet, I don't know.
But,
But, but we gotta remember, we gotta remember, uh,
very important thing that we can see in everyday life.
I see it on, uh, Twitter X all the time.
I, I see it with people in general,
which was a word that you used, Chris, in your comments,
the word duality.
Now, if you guys wanna explore this a bit more
and pontificate, I got some tasty little nuggets. Alright,
Go Ahead with that idea.
So duality is like
a black or white type of thing,
and obviously you got the gray areas
and all that kind of stuff, right?
I can't tell you how many times I see people.
Yeah. There, there. It's not online
Duality Though, is it?
You just made a great point. I don't even, I think you,
you don't even realize, like the, the fact that the,
you know, it's not just duality, right?
Is there's a lot of gray area,
and like, I think that's even with yourself, like, right?
So like, you have the masculine
and you have the feminine in you, you are a duality,
but, uh, you know, the full picture is that it's up to you
to decide how many of those seasonings exist in the one.
But, You know, it's, there's, but
Let me, let me finish, let me finish the idea
so then you can get the whole zip file
and see if it actually unzips for you,
because I do have, I do have a con like a basic conclusion.
I'll try to do it as quickly as possible. Go for it. Go.
So, um, I, I can't, like, when I see people online,
for example, there's biblical, um, debates.
And by the way, I think debates are like a huge fallacy.
My personal opinion.
People are making what I like to call knowledge claims.
I know, therefore I'm right.
And then somebody else says, no, you're wrong
because I know, therefore I'm right.
So duality, I'm looking at it from two.
So two duality is a type of
two dimensionality.
You got two parents, male
and female, think of that as
a two dimensional type of construct.
But then they hook up,
and then from two, they get three.
The child is the offspring
of both of these.
The male and female.
It's not completely the male,
it's not completely the female.
It's a mix between both genetics, right?
So for example, the child does not return to the parents
and becomes some kind of homogeneous oneness thing, right?
The child is a child
because they're born as a child to express themselves,
don't as a child, right?
So if, if we're in a dualistic reality,
then that means there's that contrast that I know,
you know, I'm right, you're wrong, good evil.
But if you have a, if you have a third aspect,
I'm, I'm almost there.
If you have a third aspect that is,
uh, instead of a duality, uh,
I think I'm making up a new word right now,
but it would be a triality,
meaning there has to be a third point in order
for further growth, for further expansion,
and it also enables you to solve paradoxes.
Did any of that make sense?
Yeah. It, it's almost like ti the dimension
of time is the new dimensionality to the exploration
of archetypal existences.
If there's archetypal expressions that you wanna see, what,
what could this, what, how could we understand the creator
as one entity with these separate concepts?
Well, then you go, you go explore, you go play
with these separate concepts in a, in a mixed bag.
And you have, you have people
who have limited awareness such that they would not know how
to identify darkness from light in certain circumstances.
And so there's the archetype of the, the moonlight
where you're looking in a dim light
where you can't quite see, you can stumble.
They say missteps in the night are, oh, so easy.
You can, you can easily trip over something not
understanding what you're walking into.
And that's, that's part of the, the joy
of discovering oneness.
And in the context of, of the gray, the gray space.
And eventually, ideally, we would,
we would learn from this enough to, to see in terms
of pure light.
Again,
I was gonna actually mention that
when I use the word duality, I think
what I really mean is multiplicity, like,
or not one.
That's literally what I mean by duality than
One, because it could be, Yeah, it could be two, three,
a million, all of them.
It's actually all of them, right?
Uh, infinite dimensions, infinite uh, perspectives,
and everything's infinite.
Right? But it, when we say duality, it just means,
it just separates the creation from the creator.
Yeah. But what connects the creation to
the creator?
I think our strings, you know,
like when they break down an atom
and they found that we have vibrating strings
that are making up atoms, when they split the atom,
this was string theory kind of came from, right?
I think that there's some strings that are in there
that are ours,
and there are some that are influenced from other, other,
other beings, you know?
And maybe even down to the
God level, you know? I don't know,
Maybe the strings are love.
Maybe the strings are, maybe the strings are all like our,
our heart strings though, back to love.
Mm-hmm. Well,
That's, but there is, yeah, there, there is
an intermediary somewhere in order to make that distinction
between the creator and the created, there's something,
because we're experiencing this, whatever this is,
we're experiencing it, right?
That's saying we experience ourselves subconsciously.
Who was that? It was one of those, it's on the,
it's in the tool album too.
It's like when all life figures out
that you can experience yourself subconsciously,
it's like when subjectively
Yeah, Subjectively. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. It's like,
that's the outside yourself, right?
Yeah. I can bring that up. What was I gonna say though?
Uh,
That John, that was an amazing little nugget you gave me.
Yes. Yeah. Like, you can step outside
of yourself, you know what I mean?
Subconsciously, or, you know,
So sorry.
The, the creator created creation. Mm-hmm.
And this is, I think this is what Hinduism believes,
and I think probably other traditions as well, the creator
creates something, and that's it.
It's created. So there, here's creation,
and the creator is separate.
Now, the only thing the creator gives is that, is
that energy, the life energy, right?
The, the spark. That spark of life.
You get one string, you got of all your atoms,
you have one string in you.
That's God. That's from God.
One string. Yeah.
Like if, if string theory is real,
and our atoms are made up of millions of vibrating strings,
each individual person might have one string in their whole
entire body of zillions of strings,
one string from the creator.
Maybe we could just say that, that arc of life frequency,
which frequency be a good term, it's, yeah.
That, that one string sets the whole frequency
and tone of the whole symphony.
That is you,
Yeah. The, the,
but
The interpretation of The Hindu call, it
Is up to you, right?
I mean, it's like you're giving a musical instrument from
God, and it's one of your strings and one of your atoms,
and it stays at the core of you.
And maybe it's in your chest. I don't know. Right?
But that one string that's hidden in one atom of your body
with millions of other strings in that atom,
that one tiny string might be from the creator
who at the time of creating the universe,
might have burst into a kazillion strings himself or itself.
And that spread throughout the galaxy, birthing nebulas
and universes and everything else,
and all of us, you know, and everything.
And it just gets recycled and comes back and forth.
But it's all a part of the
creator. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. By the way, I, from
what I understood about string theory,
is it's a bunch of hogwash.
That's what I've always, or it could
Be that, it Could be that.
Well, but, and again, it does that, that doesn't,
that's neither here nor there in this conversation.
I'm, I was just mentioning that. Yeah.
But that, that spark is, is in,
in Hinduism is called the, the ottman.
The ottman is the spark
of divinity that comes through your heart.
And it's not a physical thing either.
It's the spark of divinity that gives you life.
It, it allows you to be alive, that that's your ottman.
And when you die, it, it go, you know,
it separates from this physical being. Yeah.
But one other important question I wanna ask,
so then we can figure out what the, what the creator is.
Do you view the creator
as a parent?
No source. I would create consider the creator a source.
How about you guys? I
don't think there's any way to know.
I mean, I think, again, in the Hindu tradition,
I think it's, Lord Vishnu is laying back, taking a nap,
and from his belly button, uh,
there's like some sort of umbilical that creates this dream.
And his dream is
Literally our reality.
Like a tree comes out of his umbilical cord. I, again,
How about you, Mike?
Oh, since I'm picturing this, I'm picturing
This since, since becoming a father,
I have had experiences that have been very profound
with the relationship to the father in heaven.
And it, and it certainly makes sense to me, that to, to want
to have an experience is kind of like the heart of creation,
wanting to have an experience.
And my relationship to my son is such pure love
that I can see how, in that love, I want him
to have a kind of experience.
I want an experience to be had.
And I want that to happen through this individual
who I see who I'm looking over.
I'm, I'm watching over the potentials of experience
that can be had, and I'm guiding,
and I'm shaping a potential for
a universe that is his little world.
And I can see how there would be a desire from the view
of the galaxy, the logos, to have a particular experience
of the, of the star systems, of the planets,
of the individuals on the planets out of love.
And there's a choice. There's a, there's a choice to have
breaking up, breaking off from the infinite nature
of God into the potentials of finite experience.
To know the self, to accept the self, to, to,
to per perceive what is possible, to perceive and,
and explore and play in these dimensions.
Just like a video game.
I don't deny my son from playing video games.
The same reason. Maybe God doesn't deny us from having
lifetimes where we, we even can seek
out violence if that's what we're seeking.
Can, can we at least though, agree on some level
that something came out of the creator?
I
Think, you know, even the Big Bang, I mean,
even if you're not, even if you're a science only kind
of person, the, the Big Bang is, you know,
where science has kind of taken it.
And even that concept in
and of itself is the same kind of thing.
It's like something all
of a sudden came into existence outta nothing.
You know, whether it was a, a, an umbilical cord from,
you know, a sleeping being
or, you know, a bursting of a,
of an actual being in the bazillions of pieces
or, you know, just some random thing.
The universe just all
of a sudden came into being from a speck of nothing,
when nothing existed, or whatever.
The Big bang, you know? Exactly.
Says it's like something happens, some, it's,
this is all here, we're here, we're experiencing this.
Right? You're looking at yourself.
You're in a, you're in a vehicle. It's a body, you know? So
Basically it's Empowering it. We don't know, you know?
So basically when a child comes out of a mother,
it's something is coming out
of a creative process, meaning now that
is a child of the creators.
Does that make sense?
Yeah. The creation is extended.
Yeah. So now when I look at that, so now when I look at
that, like what Mike was talking about,
just a, like a minute ago.
So if creation comes out of the creator,
and we are divisions of that creator,
so we are part of the family of the creator,
that we could be considered children.
And that when the creator looks at us,
he looks at us kind of like Mike looks at his son.
Like, oh, wow. I I love that kid.
Like, damn, I did that. Yeah, yeah.
Like a piece of me right there.
Look at that, a piece of me broke off.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
But I, I, I think the only thing the creator is still
giving his children.
It's not, I,
I don't think the creator's sitting there drinking iced tea
saying, wow, look at this thing I made.
This is awesome. Hey, Joey got a little, Joey got a,
you know, a new toy, good for him.
And, and Sally got a better job and whatever.
I don't think that's happening. I think it's,
and I, I know you guys
don't believe all those things I just said,
but it's a, it's a energetic thing
that the creator is giving.
'cause there's something giving us energy, right?
There's something giving you energy right now to be able
to sit here and keep your eyes open and to talk
and to laugh and to cry.
So anyway, yeah.
Yeah. What, what,
what is actually happening in the present moment?
This, this, this,
this present moment contains the entire universe
always unfolding in new infinite ways
that we were perceiving tiny slices of,
but the, the magnificence is still infinite of,
of this creation.
I, of course, we don't,
we can only speculate whether the universe is infinite
or finite, but as from our vantage point,
it certainly looks like, it looks like the
sun has infinite energy.
It looks like the sun is teaching us about
the infinite love of God every day.
If we can acknowledge that, that intensity of light
and love, that is, that is providing nutrients
for all plants all the time, like that's,
you could call that a father energy.
That's, that's insane how the sun can, can provide
that much light and energy for us all the time.
And we just kinda like, forget it. We forget about it.
Take it for granted, you mean?
Yeah. Uh, see, the other concept here is this,
the whole simulation theory,
which I think we talked about on one of our other, uh,
episodes, but yeah,
We've definitely mentioned it. We're in a video game.
Yeah. Well, yeah. The fact that you
Gotta take, you gotta take eight hours off your mom,
your mom and dad gonna take eight hours off.
I mean, the, just the fact that, look, you don't know.
I don't know. Is there really some God who's laying down
and creation came out of his belly button?
Or are we existing on the back of a tortoise,
or what happened, or Big Bang, or,
or are we just literally a computer program
Or all those things?
It's all those things. It
Could be all that's either way, we don't know.
It's, that's the theme of this video game as soon as we,
because well, okay, so you brought up something
and they said that, um,
the reason why this has been like a declassified thing
they're saying now, is that the reason why people
can't interface with like, um, the like, uh, spaceship
that can take you to Mars and eight hours is
because there's a temporal displacement because of time.
You know what I mean? It's like the fact
that you're actually removing yourself from time
and you're, you know, you're into like a little pocket
dimension or whatever the technology is.
There's a displacement that happens with human beings, like
where we gotta, we're not attuned to that yet.
And they're saying that's why the technology's dangerous.
They can't just hand it over because it has to do with time.
And, um, you know, it's like the whole idea
of like there being a past
or a present might just be our, our perception of it.
And that, you know, all of time is only now forever.
There is no past, there is no future.
It's all happening all at once.
And, but just the way we're experiencing it, you know,
like a, in a straight line is the symptom of
that is us thinking that there's, you know, a past
and a present and that's it, it's just a, a linear thing.
But time, like the existence
of itself is actually all time, all at once.
You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah,
24 hours on the planet is only, you know,
dependent on the sun and the earth's rotational, you know,
it's positional rotational situation.
So as soon as you leave that orbit of
that existence, you know what I mean?
The 24 hours, seven days a week,
365 days a year thing, no longer rep applies.
There's only one moment all the time. I don't know.
I mean, it might be something,
Well, even, even that description though,
it could be considered paradoxical,
because when you say, um, now,
or the moment
or the present moment, we're, we're,
we're putting into a tight little box, right?
Like, it's the wording bubble, how a bubble,
how we use language bubble.
It's how we use language today.
Like we, we try to encapsulate a large concept
into something that can
be paradoxical,
because something that we, obviously, there's obviously,
there's something like what we call the past
or something, what we call the future.
But the thing is, we can't really prove it.
We got evidence for the past,
because I got this, somebody made this sometime in
what we call the past,
but it's been presently transported, created throughout
the whole thing.
So it can be thought of as paradoxical,
but if, if we kind
of modify our language where it's not so
absolute, I call the present moment now,
whatever I call it, whatever this is,
because it, it doesn't give a definition,
but it's something
that's confirmable objectively by everyone.
But at the same time,
you don't put it into a nice little box.
I love Eckhart.
The power of now is great,
but now the word now is limited
in of itself
because when I think, oh, the, now
I already have a picture in my head that's
confined in some kind of boundary.
But when I say whatever, this is,
it just, it's true.
Yeah. What is that? But it's not definable.
Yeah. And just for everyone watching, uh, in terms
of whatever this is, this is Mike in the meat suits,
and, uh, that is our name.
And that's, I'm gonna take mine off now. That's it.
Ah, me too. The first reptilian invasion.
Ah, they're real.
Okay. I wanna, I wanna
take this back full circle a little bit.
We go viral immediately, if I could do that. Okay.
So we have a lot of people today who, uh,
are focused completely on the past
and seeing themselves as victims of all the things
that has led up to the present moment.
And they don't believe that they have freedom
to recreate their reality.
That the, the future is, uh,
the result of the past.
And it's not the result
of infinite potential in the present.
They don't see God working
with infinite power in the present through them.
Certainly they don't see that there's, um, an ability
to reshape our reality with love.
Um, they're stuck in an identity
that's been crafted based on patterns
that are stuck on repeat.
And so there's gotta be a way
that we can turn, turn the key
and go from saying this present moment,
I'm the victim of this present moment.
This is this terrible thing that's happened to me,
this universe that I'm thought that I found myself in,
to saying, this universe is happening for me.
This is something that's great, that I have infinite, uh,
you know, opportunities, infinite challenges that I can work
through that I wanted to work through, like a video game.
I can level up. I just gotta figure out how
to play this game, how to level up.
And I, I feel like, you know, the, the heart
of the secret is always love and love is the energy.
Love is the, is the, is the thing that binds us to
the infinite that connects the finite to the infinite.
Through that, through that energetic, uh,
potential that we can pull from.
And, and it's outside of time,
and yet we're pulling it into time through the present. Um,
You know, how advanced all those thoughts
and ideas are, those are, I was just talking
to my wife this morning about that.
'cause I told her we were gonna be
doing mic in the meat suits.
And I told her, I read her some of the topics
and I just told her, I was like, look, the thing is, I,
I asked her, what percentage of people do you really think
are even capable of thinking thoughts like that?
Even just thinking the thought, not even believing it,
just entertaining it.
Just having that idea flash across their mind
or come outta their mouth's.
Gotta be less than 10% of people. What, what do
You guys think? Well, we know for a fact now we,
we know
for a fact now the exact percentage, you know?
'cause we learn a lot of things about people
as giant crises happen.
You know, like, you know, I mean, a lot of people are not
as smart as I would've hoped.
Are we, I say 80, 80 plus percent are kind
of sheep, sheep,
Sheep are, are we victims of a world where there's a bunch
of dumb people who can't figure it out?
Or are we, are we gonna bring,
are we bringing the light all the time?
And how, how, how do we activate this awareness
of liberation?
How, how do we find liberation when we're
faced with images of war?
War is the theme we're in today.
'cause Iran is, is now this thing
that everyone's having a debate.
Um, and like, why is this? Is this liberation?
Uh, I think one of the primary suspects,
because we were talking about what people think,
one of the primary suspects
is a dysfunctional thought process.
The thought process is not
functioning the way it should be functioning
as created. We give too much
Defective, we get too much. You're
defective. We send it
Back. We, we give, wait,
wait. We give too much workload
to the thought process.
We have plenty of other tools in our bodies
that can take on other processes,
but the thought process is not qualified
to be able to figure out
these other things.
The thought process in general is one plus
one equals two.
It's a measurement tool.
So this is why the thoughts about the past,
which is slippery, usually
reoccur sometime in the future
because that thought process has not been resolved.
The thought process itself needs resolution
and functionality because that's what it does.
And the thing is, it's out of harmony with the rest
of our body because the thought process is trying
to figure everything out, hence knowledge claims
and the need for meditation.
What'd you say? Hence what Knowledge claiming,
like I was talking about earlier,
about people claiming knowledge about something
as fact. The one thing that I'm like,
I'm right, you're wrong, kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah. The one thing that I'm like, I can,
I'm pretty confident to be objective about
is the thought process is most likely functional.
Yeah. And Mike, you mentioned meditation.
This is literally everything you're saying,
John is the reason for meditation.
Our, our our mental processes are, have been, um,
muddied, overwhelmed, head trash.
You know, I'm, I'm actually, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna write another nonfiction self-help book,
hopefully over the next year or two.
And, uh, it's gonna be called Head Trash Removal
because that is literally the one thing in the world
that everybody could benefit from.
And it you'll just clear up.
Sorry, but this it's some mental s**t. Yeah,
Yeah. Sorry, sorry.
Is what I'm trying to get at though.
Wait, wait, wait. This is what I'm trying to get at though.
This is the important part
because in general, most
spiritual practices say the mind
just let go of the mind.
Ignore it. Let go of the thought basically saying,
let go of the thought process.
Ignore it. It's kind of like me saying, take out my heart
because I don't need it for my body to function.
The thought process is there for a reason
when it's functional.
Because the main reason for meditation, as far as I know,
because I've done many meditations, is to get into
that no mind space go nowhere.
To be able to, to, to be able to, able
To go nowhere immediately.
Like, wait, let's say you're, wait, you're 11 years old.
Wait, The school lunch line,
and like, everything's chaos around you.
Spit balls are flying. You know, the, the, the,
let's just say the lunch lady has three fingers, right?
And you're in that line, it's chaotic.
You just want your lunch. You wanna sit down and relax.
But like, you gotta be able to, even in that moment
as a kid, with all your hormones flaring,
you should be able to go nowhere.
Like, just find that, that inner place
where you could just be quiet and find your peace
and just, you know, no one can get you there, wherever
that place is in your mind.
Where like, you know, like Shawshank Redemption,
like they can't get me 'cause I'm in here.
You gotta be able to go to that place.
And in that place, there should be nothing.
But what I'm saying, close to that, close to
what you're saying, what I'm saying is
that we usually go into meditation
because we need to be in that no thought zone, but
because our thoughts are not resolved.
But imagine all your thoughts are resolved.
What do you do in between each thought?
You just naturally go into the state of
what we call no mind
Zen, right? Yeah.
Naturally, without needing
to do a practice like meditation,
you just naturally flow into it
because the mind is now a tool instead
of it using you as a fool.
Have you ever like, thought you were relaxed
and then realized, oh s**t, there's even another level,
and you find that and you're like, oh yeah.
Like, let's say you're in the bath or a shower
and you, you know, the water's hot and warm
and you're hitting your spot
and then you crank it up just like a quarter of a turn more,
and you're like, oh s**t,
That's too hot. No,
It's like that. Yeah, but you're
there, you know what I mean?
You're like, as is it too hot?
Or is this, you know what I mean?
Is, so, is is peace something
that can be appreciated on a deeper
and deeper and deeper level?
Then is this what meditation is, is going deeper and deeper
and deeper into the peace that does not require any outcome,
any particular event, any particular
thought to go one way or the other?
Although we could just watch the thought go without losing
our peace, we can let the thought go
whichever direction it wants to.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. The, the, I heard someone say once,
it's like, um, you know, living life is like holding a net,
like a handheld net in a stream,
and it's like 99% of everything should go
through you, you know, effortlessly.
But occasionally something's gonna get caught in that net.
And it's up to you to decide whether you
wanna keep it in there or not.
But, but why do we have so much,
um, what's it called?
Uh, uh, like binary
thought process, good or bad? Well, you have
Two tears of the brain.
Wait, right or or wrong, like, or
Left emotional charges. It's emotions.
But we, we live there, correct? In general,
Yeah. It's the fruit of
the knowledge of good and evil.
So, but the thing is though, now, so
embedded in that binary thought system
is, uh, what's it called?
Uh, is our paradoxes.
That's where paradox, at least for my view, that's
where paradoxes live.
So how do you resolve a paradox?
You bring in the third thing,
the third resolves the paradox. So I would say it
Together. Yeah, like, like a strand of
DNA, right?
I mean, yeah, there's three parts to a DNA strand.
There's left, there's, right, but then
there's all those racks in the middle.
Yeah. So I would say it would, instead of binary,
it would be Trin four
resolution, for example.
Do you guys want to try to resolve a paradox?
Yes. Yes.
Alright. Alright. Alright.
This is basically a paradox.
I know that I know nothing
That's not true. Don't
talk down to yourself like that.
Ah, thanks man. I needed to hear that.
All right? Yes. Paradox. Yes,
Yes, I know that.
I know nothing. How is that paradoxical? Because
You do know, you know, a lot of things,
but in the grand scheme of things,
you know nothing, John, snow.
No. Technically speaking it's
because you're saying, I know.
So you're claiming that you know something,
but then the thing you're claiming, you know, is
that you know nothing which contradicts your initial claim.
Right?
But they could both be true. Okay.
Which makes neither of 'em true, but,
So, but how do we resolve that paradox
in one sentence?
Peace. What was that?
Peace. We just stepped back from it.
Let it be the movie on the screen.
Oh, you could remove yourself from the equation completely.
Step back. This is what Mike just
Said. Or you could just
enjoy the mystery,
Enjoy it. Just
sit back, hands in the air.
Don't even press the, don't even press the safety belt down.
But those, but those are,
those are like personal preferences.
But I'm saying something that can actually,
if everybody hears it and sees it
and reads it, it's like, oh,
it makes sense without me needing
to explain why it's paradoxical or why it's not paradoxical.
Would you like to hear my upgrade?
No, go ahead. Yes.
Okay. I know that, I know
almost nothing.
Yep. Meat suits.
So to resolve any paradox,
you just have to add the word almost,
Or I guess it depends on the paradox,
what language you would choose to use.
But that's my third.
That's the, instead of it being dualistic, I make it
tri guess, lack of a better word, tribalistic.
Tribalistic. I would say the, the creator
Provides all the room we have
for exploration of paradoxes.
And that's essentially the universe is just
resolving the paradoxes, exploring that,
which is not that, which is illusion.
And what if, what if, John, what if, um, you know, the,
the whole two to three thing is just us becoming,
going from a two dimensional thing
to a three dimensional thing,
and then we find out it's a whole f*****g ladder,
and then we ride up it until we get
to like, let's just say seven.
And then we realize there are other octaves.
But the, but again, those are numbers.
They're all just numbers. No, I'm just saying like, well,
numbers exist for a reason,
because, you know, if there's zero,
there's nothing which is zen, right?
But if there's one, then there's just a, a, a, a,
a fart, a whisper of something.
But if there's two, then it becomes, uh, you know, it's,
it's, it's on its way.
And then the third, the third dimension is
where you become a f*****g thing.
You know what I mean? There is, once you're an independent
thing, once you're born from a, a duality into a triality,
then now you're, you're, you're on your way up.
So what naturally will come next in a billion years is those
threes are gonna realize there's a four.
And then the fours are gonna quickly realize there's a five,
a six, and a seven, then boom.
And then you hit different octaves.
But it, it's really that, that these, these are colors of,
of a white light spectrum.
We're exploring a spectrum of unity
when we explore individual numbers
or individual colors of, of the creator.
But I, I, I do want to hear Chris talk more about meditation
and your views on, on, uh, stepping back
and resolving things in the mind.
Because you've often said that the, um,
you know, the tricks to meditation has to do with sort
of ignoring your thoughts, but not,
but not getting caught up,
not being actively engaged in them,
al allowing yourself to process it.
Well, I want you to put it in your words.
How do you, how do you, how do you meditate?
Yeah. So to follow up on what you were saying, John, about
how people's minds are just kind of going haywire,
create way too many thoughts, lots of head trash, different,
all kinds of weird self,
self-conscious things, and all this.
Um, so the mind is, is, is,
is a tool, basically, right?
It's, it's, its a faculty.
We have, it's kinda like a hand, okay?
You can use your hand in a lot of different ways, okay?
But the mind is its own thing,
and it's obviously, you know, beyond the physical.
And so what happens is no one really
pays attention to their mind.
No one realizes that, Hey, my mind is an organ which I need
to take care of.
Okay? So meditation, the only reason
for meditation is to learn how to bring your mind, is
to focus your mind on one thing.
That's literally the definition of meditation.
Try to focus on one thing.
And of course, when you, when you try to meditate,
your mind goes everywhere.
And that's because there's a lot of momentum.
All the haywire thoughts and craziness.
There's so much momentum
that you might sit down in a chair to meditate.
But your mind is, it's, it's like trying
to stop a, a cruise ship.
It's gonna take, you know, 13 miles to stop this ship.
You know, it's not just gonna stop on a dime, right?
So, so me, that's, and that's why people quit meditation.
'cause the first time they sit down, they're like,
oh my God, this is overwhelming.
You just have to get through that.
And the, and the way you get through that is in,
in meditation is you just ignore your thoughts.
It's a practice of ignoring thoughts.
It's not trying to push them away.
It's not trying to cry about your thoughts.
It's not trying to say, oh, I'm a victim.
All these thoughts, none of that crap.
You have a thought, no big deal. It's fine.
Just let it drift away. Don't give it any energy.
Don't try to push it away either.
Just you're, you be, you're passive.
You're absolutely passive. You're not doing anything.
You're just sitting there.
It's like you're waiting for something
and really you're waiting for divinity or God.
And what happens is the more you ignore your
thoughts, they'll drift away.
And then you'll have another thought and it'll drift away
and it'll have another thought.
It'll drift away pretty soon.
All, all that momentum, the craziness,
momentum in your head, it gets dissipated.
And over a period of weeks
and definitely months, you're, you're, your,
the activity level of your mind will be brought down
to a normal level. And yeah,
I, I wanna, I wanna share something
because this is what John has said,
and what Chris has said is,
I feel like it's slightly different, um, angles on the word,
uh, thoughts and ignoring thoughts.
And I feel like, uh, this is actually exactly
what my wife gets after me about.
She's like, you're claiming you're meditating, Mike,
but I think you're coming back with a lot of thoughts.
I think you were, you were out there, you're
on the mountain thinking a lot.
But, but then this is the, this is the question I have is to
what degree is meditation a process of listening so
that we are, our conscious mind is not the one needing
to resolve the thoughts, but there is some deeper part
of ourselves that's putting in the puzzle pieces,
which explains why you can let that thought go.
You can let it's, and it's from a state of peace
that we let thoughts go more than the state of worry
and busyness that we have to add on more, more of,
of the world's under understanding of concepts, right?
As opposed to allowing love
and forgiveness to, to sort
of like an ocean just washing over the thoughts, like, yes,
this is the way it is, this is what we can accept.
Yeah, solutions will come.
That's the beauty of meditation.
You might be struggling with something at work.
I know, Mike, you're a programmer and stuff, and you know,
and you might have a problem
with some program you're working on.
You don't really know how to fix it. And there's a problem.
And you're like, ah, what do I do? Do I need this tool?
That tool, I don't know. You go to sleep,
you wake up the next day and you meditate,
and in your meditation you'll get the answer.
Solutions come very often. And here's why.
Because when you clear up that head trash,
you, you're a more pure human being.
Whatever's in your heart is gonna come through,
and you're gonna be able to hear your own heart.
And the heart is the center of the human being.
It's not the mind. The mind is a tool.
The heart is our connection to divinity.
The heart is whatever, spiritual, uh,
whatever spiritual things you can do.
Um, yeah, it all comes from the heart.
So basically when you meditate
and you clear out your mind, you will get solutions
and you will feel more peace.
And, and real quick, the other aspect
of the meditation practice that, that we teach is,
is something called cleaning, where you actually let go
of all the head trash
and all the samskara you've accumulated that day.
So every day when your day's work is over, you sit down
for 20, 25 minutes.
And it's not meditation, it's, you're using an active will,
you're saying, but you close your eyes
and you sit like you're meditating,
but you say, okay, all my days, samskara
and impurities are leaving me out the back.
And in its place, the sacred current of the divine is,
is filling that space in my heart.
And you actually consciously let go of, and,
and you don't do specific things like, oh, that lady
that p****d me off in traffic, I'm gonna clean her out.
No, nothing specific.
Only general, everything good, bad, ugly, all
of it is gone.
And then that wipes helps wipe the slate clean too.
And so the more your slate is wiped clean,
the more your mind is operating at a normal level instead
of this crazy level, then
that's like the natural state of a human being, I would say.
And you're gonna get a lot of insight
and solutions from the divine.
So let's say you could, but in general are find that zero,
that zero spot, right?
And you could hold it and you could hold
it all day, all night.
It's not a problem. Would you live forever, as you know,
I mean, would it slow down your aging?
Would it, would it do, would there,
would there be some beneficial consequence
to actually living in this state all the time?
Would you knock Jesus powers?
No, because it's not, you're, you're not meant
as a human being to be thoughtless.
Your, your mind serves a function
and you need to have thoughts. Yeah.
The, the whole thought thing when you said like,
thoughts are gonna come, it's like, don't, don't even think,
you know, just kind of like,
just let 'em come and then just let 'em go.
Yes. That's the kind of the
summary of what I, I think you're
Ignore them. Yes.
Because they're gonna come,
because let 'em come, but let 'em go.
And like if you, if you get good at that, they'll,
they'll kind of stop, you'll stop hearing 'em come.
You know what I mean? Just be like, yeah, I need
to turn the volume down to where, you know,
you have control over it.
Then once you're in that, that zero point energy, you know
from there, what, what's the goal?
The goal is to be a normal human being
and not hamstrung by your head trash.
The, the goal is what you said, John, you, you, you,
you need to be in control of your mind instead
of your mind being in control of you. That's the goal. So,
But this, this is the important thing though,
is say you become a master meditator,
but the thought process is still not at peak efficiency.
There's still past and future tense within our minds.
'cause that's the way in general, how people think in past
and future tense.
So there's a lot of energy leaking already
in the thought process.
So if you're like, imagine the thought process, the past
and future tense is like two circuits, like, like,
like energy coming out and,
and they're not connected, right?
Like circuits of energy, just so I'm meditating in front of
these, unresolved, these unclosed circuits.
So, but I can be at peace with the crazy circuitry,
the crazy energy, which is completely fine.
That's beautiful. But is there,
is there some book or teaching
or anything out there that shows how to resolve
your thoughts where they're not leaking energy,
they're actually a function
and they work the way they should work without it being the
culprit of my demise?
And this is why I need to meditate.
I love that. Well, yeah, yeah.
And, and, and you're sort of talking about, you're sort
of zooming into the mind
and the nature of the thoughts, like you said,
thoughts about past, thoughts about present.
So, so what I was talking about
before is learning how to just exhaust the mind.
Like, so it's not,
it doesn't have a thousand thoughts, it only has 10
Turn the volume down.
Well, and now you're talking about going in
and sort of choosing thoughts like,
should I think about the past?
Should I think about the future?
Like I said, the not, not necessarily, I'm saying
I'm not, not not choosing thoughts,
we are not choosing thoughts.
Okay. Resolving them.
So just like I said with the, I know, I know
that I know nothing resolved.
The thought, the paradox.
I know that I know almost nothing is a resolution
because it's true.
But yet I don't need to pontificate anything more
because it has all the information within
that completed thought.
There's no circuitry.
There's no circuitry like spitting out stuff.
So if the only thought I had in my mind, for example,
getting to Chris's, uh, uh, Randy's point is,
so if imagine the only thought I had was
that one complete thought,
and that thought would pop up every once in a while,
but it's a complete thought.
It's, it's not leaking energy.
When I'm not focusing on
that completed resolved thought, I automatically
go into the meditative state without trying to meditate.
This is actually roughly connected to the session five law
of one material about what they call the
balancing exercises.
But they frame it all around how
every thought has an antithesis.
Every thought will have a emotional
charge, positive or negative.
And as you, as you appreciate that,
there are things you're kind of attached to,
you're holding onto and you,
or that you'd prefer not exist in your reality
or that you're holding onto, you can look for something
that has the opposite charge.
You can see that there is a time for patients,
there is a time for impatience.
And patients, inpatients are, is is the two sides
of one coin is, is the balancing
of the wise use of our time.
You could say, when we're too patient, I'm too patient
with my son, nothing, nothing gets done in our life.
When I'm impatient with him, I can be holding onto too much.
Yeah. So, so there's, there's a balance to be found
that allows the mind to become less
and less attached to these thoughts.
And that, I think that's what
what we're talking about on some level.
But if I disregard, if I disregard something
or someone say, I disregard one of you guys,
and then you might feel like, ah, man, right?
So if we disregard, including the thought process,
if we disregard whatever, then that means the attention
is removed from that.
And attention, I'm thinking attention.
The, the, the attention. The attention. Attention, yes.
But the attention it's
seed is love.
And when you remove that idea of love
coming even more full circle to our original idea is
where does evil come from?
The lack of love, uh, the lack of love and attention,
because I'm ignoring you.
Bingo. Nailed it.
So I just wanna clarify one thing, John,
when you were asking, talking about the types
of thoughts you have,
and those two, two things you were talking about,
um, here's an analogy.
If you, if your diet is horrible,
you're eating all the worst foods, nasty stuff,
you're gonna get sick and you're not gonna be healthy.
Right? Just say yes. Yeah, sure. Yes. Yeah.
Yes. If you change your diet
and you eat all good things, okay,
you start eating all good things.
You start eating all good things and even working out
and stuff, how do you know your body's gonna get healthy?
How do you know that's gonna do any good? You gotta
Flush out all this mind s**t and your body s**t too.
Here's, here's my point.
When you do the right thing, your body
and your being will take care of it.
So when you meditate properly
Mm-hmm.
You don't have to worry about,
am I thinking this thought or that thought?
You, you, you literally don't have to think about anything.
It's done. Let the process
happen and it's, it,
it will happen. It's done. And it works.
It's already done. Yeah. No, no.
I'm not saying that meditation doesn't work.
I, I'm a huge advocate of meditation,
first of all. Sure, sure. I know.
Huge. Right? So,
but the thing is though now, is I,
I look at it in a way of how do we
upgrade our consciousness?
That's, it comes to that,
Hold on, hold on. That's
my point. Yeah. Yeah. Is
that if you meditate properly
and do the cleaning, you are being upgraded by him,
the creator and God, whatever.
That's that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's
The seed that receives adequate light, warmth, moisture,
nutrients, that you know,
that it's gonna be a bigger, healthier plant.
The harvest. You know what I mean? So putting yourself in
that healthy place, you have to be in healthy
soil, you know what I mean?
And it's like, that's why I picture it,
like your mental health, I i,
is gonna really dictate everything.
Even your what you eat
and your physical health and all that too.
It might even override that.
I mean, even if you eat s**t, you might be okay if you have
good mental health, you know? 'cause
SIBO effect Spiritual health, you know what I mean?
It's like the best soil, you know, there's tolerances
that will be adjusted based on how good your this soil is
that you're in, you know, your mental state and stuff.
So, yeah. I mean, it's like potatoes, you know?
It's like, we'll call ourselves the potatoes.
It's Just like, Okay,
that's potatoes.
It's potatoes, thinking about potatoes.
Oh my God. But you never eat potatoes
raw not good for you.
Small doses is okay. We're the meditators.
So, uh, this is a fun conversation.
Uh, one thing is like, gosh, a part of me wants
to just become full of thoughts of how do I organize people
to, uh, be a, be an army of, of activists
around the importance of meditation.
Yeah. Right? Yeah.
If we could get, uh, you know, all the, the radical people
that are running in the streets and blowing off pepper bombs
and all that s**t, whatever's going on,
we could just teach those people meditation, you know,
just the basics of like, just stop.
You know what I mean? Go to your, your safe space is you
don't need a, you know, a room and a house for that.
Your safe space should be in here, in here, you know?
But how do you get people to, to, you're
Already there, align Born with the, how, how do you
Get, you just have to remember
The idea.
No, but how do you get people to align to the idea
of meditation or praying
or going to a a, an event or a church or something?
How do you do that in my, so yeah, one thing
that I would perhaps say is like, utilize
your God-given ability to have infinite patience,
to be super patient with people, to listen
to whatever they're saying regardless of what kind
of spewing they do.
'cause usually they'll answer their own questions if you let
them go long enough, and then they resolve something.
But then hopefully as you, as just a infinite patience type
of dude, you could perhaps mention, see,
didn't you resolve that? It's like
The way you're describing it, it sounds like if I was,
if I was watching someone in, uh, untangling wires, you know
what I mean, I would want them to do it,
but like, if I saw something
that would be an obvious little, oh, what about that one?
You know? And then it was like, oh, s**t. Yeah.
Then they did that, and it like, untangled a huge knot.
You know what I mean? It's like they have to do it.
But yeah. If, if you're trying to help people reach
that untangling point of the wires in their heads,
or you know, their spirits, yeah,
that'd be incredibly useful.
I mean, how would you market that? I don't know.
I mean, let's just say one person could get to
that ultimate zen state and live there all day, every day.
And that just doesn't mean just sitting down in a
crosslegged position for your whole life, not eating,
I mean, living and walking
and interacting with the world in that state.
Then maybe they would have, you know, some kind
of a supernatural aura or power about them.
You know, maybe they would evolve to a, you know, holy s**t.
People are capable of that. And then as soon as
that one person, that 13th monkey found that thing,
other monkeys would immediately start going there too.
And then you'd have a popping of the popcorn.
And once that popcorn's good,
not all the kernels are gonna pop.
Yeah. I think that's our, our, I think what you just said,
Randy, is our, uh, all our actual natural
Potential Way of being.
It's our natural potential.
We're not, we're not meant to be the way we are now.
I believe we are meant to be fully functional human beings,
like you just mentioned, as in not necessarily something
that, um, that eventually we get to, it's something
that we naturally have,
because you need fully functional harmonic beings in order
to interact with all the other
fully functional harmonic beings in order to continue to be
the children of a creator.
Which means we have the impulse
to create. So how it's,
It's our, it's our, it's our, it's our primary,
it's our primary duty.
You know what I mean? That that's, that's our one
and only primary duty is to, to create, you know,
like Mike did, you know, he duplicated damnit Mike.
You made it. You know what I mean? So
Randy, by the way, there are,
As a mustard seed, you know, your, your, your,
your primary function isn't just
to make people's food tasty.
Your primary function is to be planted in the ground
and grow into a tree
and create billions of other mustard seeds.
You know what I mean? A mushroom spore, you know,
or whatever, whatever the thing is.
It's primary duty is to ascend into a way so high
of a frequency that it duplicates, boop up.
There's another mean, holy s**t.
There might be many me, you know what I mean?
I might pollinate a whole forest, I don't know. You know?
Yeah. Depending on the being, you know,
whatever coding is in that being.
But I mean, Randy, there's,
there's people like that in the world today.
There are spiritual masters you can go and follow,
and they spend all their day teaching and meditating
and being mm-hmm.
There's A lot of 'em. Except for Deepak Chopra.
I had an experience when I was, I was an older teen,
and I had really bad anxiety for years.
Like puking cold sweats. I had bad anxiety.
And, um, I was taken
to see like the monks when they came through.
And, uh, lilydale, it was the place in New York.
I don't know if you're familiar with that, John Lilydale.
It's, you know, where these giant trees are and stuff,
and witches or whatever, these, you know,
hippie type psychics, all that.
They're, they're at Lilydale.
And, uh, this woman brought me there to see the monks
and the monks passing through town, and they stopped
and did a, you know, a demonstration
and all kinds of meditating and dancing
and, you know, it was like a really, it was like an hour,
hour and a half performance.
And afterwards the lady brought me up to meet the monk
because I had suffered through such bad anxiety
and stuff, um, and this monk,
'cause I, I was convinced I was leaving with him.
I was gonna go with him. I, I was, you know, I wanted
to detach from society and, you know, it was around nine 11.
It was bad, you know, I was doing bad, you know,
and all the stuff that happened to me in my childhood
and all this weird, you know, I ended up being f****d up.
So like, the anxiety had bad anxiety.
I'd be puking and stuff like
that ever since I was a little kid.
And I got in front of this monk
and he grabbed me by the wrist
and he pushed his thumb, like right into my wrist.
And he held it there. Like, he was reading my pulse,
and he just looked into like my, my heart chakra, like area.
And, you know, he was just, he wasn't looking at me.
He was looking at a part of me that was,
you know, my energy, me.
And he did adjust me.
And like, since that interaction with that guy,
I like that next day.
Like I, my vibrational whole, like I did the men,
like you said, like, uh, mine trash, like clear it out
and like physical trash clear it out.
Like he kind of like reprogrammed my grid
there with that one.
He must, he held my wrist for about 40, 50 seconds
and he, you know, he told him that I wanted to go with him.
And after he let go,
and I still, he gave me his beads off his neck.
And he gave him, you know, to me,
I still have him hanging from my rear view window in my car.
But like, that interaction of like a minute
and a half that, what'd you say?
Ascended master or whatever he did, he aligned my grid.
He realigned my grid,
and my anxiety just started going away naturally.
You know, I didn't have to do anything else.
It was like, he just brought me to that zero.
He like retune me as an instrument, you know what I mean?
And then it was like, the music just came.
It was like, oh man, God, it was so much better. But you,
It's, you felt com You
Felt compassion from him though, right?
It was, yeah. He like sent something into me through,
through his, you know, his, you know,
you know, what do you wanna call him?
You know, cigarette lighter.
I would say if, if, if we on a so level are
remembering the frequency, all we need is a
taste of that frequency.
And it's like, it's like
we're hooked. We want that frequency. We
Harmon. Yeah, it's
like tuning. Uh, that's why they
say they got rid of the bells.
Did you ever look into that rabbit hole
or They said they got rid of all the big natural metal bells
from churches and everything else that used to ring.
They said, because that would naturally realign people
and reattune them every day when you heard 'em.
And, and that, well, the, the, the, the weird place that
that theory goes is says that there, there are evil,
you know, spirits within people,
and that those evil spirits that are within the souls
of people of humans walking among us, um, really hated that
because it kind of cast them out of those physical bodies
that they were inhabiting.
So like, let's just say, you know, a demonic possession
or something like that of a demon or a reptilian spirit
or whatever evil place this thing come from, you know,
it might be residing in a person.
And by hearing that bell, it re attuned the soul of
that person in a way that it became no longer inhabitable
to evil spirits and stuff.
And that's why bells beyond churches.
And uh, they, they got rid of all the bell.
If you notice, there's not many actual bells
that ring every day anymore in cities and towns
and, you know, stuff like that.
And it's like, maybe evil is an actual thing too, you know,
maybe it does manifest into a, a, you know, or,
or maybe it can only take, you know,
residence within something that is alive.
I don't know. But you know, it, it's all about that retuning
of, you know, there's something more than your physical self
and your mental self.
There's an actual grid, you know,
and you're, you're, you are a musical
instrument, you know what I mean?
It's like you have multiple notes
and like a sympathy that you can create through yourself.
You, you are a, an instrument. You know what I mean?
And that instrument needs
to be attuned every once in a while.
You need to take care of your instrument
and retune it at the end of each day or week,
or, you know, you need that reset.
So I, yeah, I mean, people, I think that, I think, I think
that evil is
primarily unresolved.
The, the word is trauma. Mm-hmm.
Because broken beings want to have
some kind of reconnection to the fullness of
whatever potential that they forgot about.
So, hurt people, hurt people.
So like, like those,
those beings, the evil ones,
I believe are deeply traumatized.
So they want to be able to exert their anger, their lust,
their passions or whatever onto other beings.
Because the famous, uh, word
or uh, sentence is misery loves company
type of thing, right?
With not resolving the traumatic, the trauma.
There's something called, uh, even the early church fathers,
uh, the Christian Church fathers were considering this.
It's not dogma,
but they were considering something called ssis,
meaning everything, even the devil
e eventually reconnects with God
and everything becomes whole again, right?
So is,
and even in, in, uh, my religion,
the Orthodox Christian worldview, we don't think evil
is 100%.
Because again, like I said earlier, evil is deception.
Having a hundred percent deception just cancels itself out.
So it can't be 100%.
So there's, there's, there's this opening towards,
because everything came from the creator,
and that creator created an
environment where love is like
probably one of the biggest thing.
Would it be love and hate?
Would there be also be a duality or a triality within that?
No. Well, hate love is love,
But hate it. It
can't, it can't really be complete
because there's no antithesis to love.
Because love doesn't have a boundary.
It doesn't have an opposite, right? So
If there is a creator, it Would be just a lack of love.
If the create, if we all, if everything is from a creator
and the creator would be love,
would the creator also be hate?
Or would hate just be a variation of a distorted love? Yeah.
Hate is a distortion. Love, love.
It's probably that. Yeah. Yeah.
Is hate, hate is in duality, is hate the absence of love,
Most likely.
Yeah. No hate, hate is, is in duality love there,
there's love with the lowercase L,
and there's love with the uppercase L the uppercase L love.
That's God, that's that energy that's feeding your atman,
that's keeping you alive.
And that that's the energy that created everything.
It's a creative energy.
There's nothing, there's no opposite to it.
It's love capital L When you come down to duality,
then there's love and hate,
but that love is with the lowercase l even
with your wife or your girlfriend.
That's a lowercase l Yeah, that's that sound right?
Does the Lowercase, I usually go with
The mature into an uppercase L.
No, that's why you need a, a middle case.
L I'm in the process of creating it. I really am.
It's gonna work. I'm gonna get a tattoo of it right here.
But I think that the middle case L come
On, these kids came right in cursive.
Man, if you wanna,
It would, it would make sense
because if you're, like, if we're talking like a
triad type of evolutionary thing, right?
Like I would, I would like, uh, basically say, um,
the universe is a trinity of Trinity's.
Everything is trinity in nature.
Even though you have the fourth,
because you have, you can have other dimensions
and whatever, but there's still, you still need the two
to create the third.
And in that third enables further, um,
Novelty. That's the fbri,
The creation. So,
So once you hit two, then you need one more to make three.
So two go. You, you know what I mean?
Like, it's zero to one, one to three, three to five.
You know what I mean? That, that is life.
That is the creator
or that is the, created the creation, I guess you'd say.
Yeah. That's How, but you at least need too, because
Even though, least, even when,
when they take the heart outta the body, there's a chef
that found a way to cut the heart into a way that when you,
when you, when he cuts the heart to cook it, you realize
that the heart is even a spiraling organ.
Like it starts from one point
and spirals even in its fabric.
Yeah. So Mike, back to what you were saying about
how do we teach people about meditation
and how do we get people to care about it.
Um, I've been trying for more than
20 years,
and I've tried many different things,
including teaching meditation,
giving open houses about meditation,
writing a self-help book, uh, coaching people for success,
coaching, and, you know, understanding their mind
and their mental powers.
And I've done a lot of things.
And the, it,
what I learned can be distilled down into a very simple,
uh, lesson for me,
which is no one cares.
People don't care. No one's gonna change.
People only change when they hit rock bottom.
And then that allows them, then they
hitting rock bottom is what wakes them up.
And they're like, oh my God.
And then that is the insight that lets them
to start going up.
Now, once they start going up
and taking control of their life, which is
what I did in 2003, my life was an absolute mess.
I literally homeless, no car, no job.
The only thing I I wasn't like a crazy drug addict.
Drug addict. That's the only thing.
How old were you? A Shame. That's a shame.
Uh, 30, 31. Yeah.
By by 31, I drove my life, my whole life.
Drove it into the ground. And that's when I woke up
and I was like, this is stupid.
Like, I'm better than like, this is retarded.
Like, I'm better than this. What is wrong with me?
So then I started meditating and I got my life on track,
but I wouldn't have gotten my life on track
unless I ran it into the ground.
So I think, Mike, I feel you, man, I, I, I,
I literally ask my wife every other month I'm thinking about
something like, can we do like a retreat
for this type of person?
And but I, I'm always thinking a hundred thoughts,
but in the real world, no one cares.
Almost no one cares.
And so what it, okay, I'll just finish with this, that
in my own life I've realized that I need to accept that
I need to accept the fact that for the rest of my life,
even though I would love to help people, love
to help 'em learn meditation, love
to help 'em zoom out enough to see clearly,
I don't know.
I mean, I can, like, I'm here now,
we're talking about it, and I think this is great.
I can do what I can do.
But as far as results from my effort, I, I,
I can't ex expect anything.
And I, and I don't expect anything. Actually, you,
You have to want to change.
You know, you don't have to necessarily hit rock.
You, you have to want to change.
And I, it's gotta be real.
This is why I call it an archetype.
The dark night of the soul. This is why evil has value.
It's pushing people in the direction of wanting
to transform their spirit
and the transformation of the spirit as an archetype.
I feel that is the, is the, it's the awakening
of an awareness of the sense of the infinite.
That there is something deeper than the lowercase love.
That there is something that, that draws us into something
beyond our limited physical form back into the present
moment, back into the infinite potential
and into the, the uppercase l which I do think is possible
to merge with gradually.
And that's, that's the transition for, to higher debts.
But the law of the law of one mentioned this as well.
Catalysts, well, you had, Chris was a catalyst.
Same with you, Randy, when the Monk did the thing that,
that time period was a catalyzing event for you.
Sometimes it's you, you make a choice
to get put yourself in that position.
But sometimes you do it subconsciously
where you don't realize you're putting yourself into a
sticky situation, which makes you need a catalyst.
Wherever, wherever that, wherever
that happens in your life, wherever you're at, when
that happens, when you hit that point,
it's gonna be an event for you. You know what I mean?
Right. I actually think this is, might be a good place to,
to close out the conversation.
This is awesome. It's going on for over an hour.
And we could keep on chatting a
after the recording has ended, uh, and I
Episode That was an episode, Rick. So much more.
Yeah, We
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