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Welcome guys to Essentia Works.
Great podcast to talk about anything we want,
but we'll talk about spirituality phy mostly, I think.
And, uh, so, so for, for this discussion, I thought, um, I,
I get so distracted right now with the latest news,
the latest, uh, technologies, the AI tools, the AI is,
is accelerating at a rate I was not anticipating.
Like, you can have it create applications and, and games
and, uh, it will run it for you and it'll debug it for you.
And it's like the number of things you can do now, just as
of yesterday with this GPT five release, it's increasing,
but, but it's like it's causing my dopamine
systems to need to be recalibrated.
And dopamine is a funny subject, uh, too,
that we can maybe even start with that.
'cause it's like we have this, this simple way
of saying it's like we're, we're kind
of drugged all the time by our brain,
like pursuing all these different areas of our, of our
physical bodily experience that, that
make us enjoy certain avenues of exploration.
But it's like, why am I pursuing
so many things on a, on a computer screen?
Why, why am I not out out in nature meditating?
Why, why am I not motivated to step away from the screens?
Um, am I, am I helping people?
Uh, you know, there's a lot of fuzzy gray areas here
for me about, uh, what, what really matters
and why in my life as I have
to process all these new things coming
into, into my reality.
Um, do you guys feel the same way?
Yeah. You know, well, the most,
sorry that me or you?
Alright. Roll for it. I guess we'll talk at the same time.
Well, I just wanted to say something really brief is
that Nado Harari that globalist, you know,
um, oh, yeah, yeah.
He said that the future is not human, you know,
and it's, they're, they're pushing for a disconnect
between people, you know,
and the more they can keep us isolated and entertained
and that dopamine firing off, you know, the,
the less we're connected to the important things like family
and earth and nature and, and those things.
And it's like all these distractions,
every time there's a distraction, like, you know, uh,
what was that, Levi's genes with that, that pretty girl,
whatever, you know, it's, it,
it dominates the social media platform,
but in the background, what are they doing?
They were passing things about putting chemicals in the,
the fertilizers and making it, you know, illegal
to sue over damages that come from that.
So it's like, yeah, the dopamine being triggered is a,
it's a distraction from what, you know,
what they're really pushing, you know?
Well, well, I also, I also like to look at it
This way too.
Yes, there are many distractions and AI is a great tool.
Like, I got grok
and I was able to, to animate a couple fun things
and I, I was able to take a picture of me when I was young
eating ice cream, and it animated it,
and I was like, whoa, this is crazy.
In like 20 seconds, right?
So yes, it could be a distraction,
but for people that are uninspired,
it could be a distraction for people like myself,
where I'm currently inspired, I look at them
as tools, of course.
I, I think of stuff I'm like, Ooh,
if I'm gonna do a presentation or, uh,
or if I wanna put a graphic in a podcast that I got
or whatever, boom.
Ai, quick, easy, right?
Like, instead of like, back in the day, like, uh,
what was it, 2019, I was making a,
uh, like a 22nd intro for my videos.
It took me the whole day to animate it picture by picture,
moving one thing at a time.
And this takes 20 seconds.
So I look at technology in a way of, you can use it
as a tool, or if we're going on the current,
um, trajectory where our society,
how it currently is being run, the technology is going
to use us as fools instead
of we using technology as a tool. Mm-hmm.
This is kinda like the part of the latest matrix movie
where they have everyone jacked into a video
game kind of reality.
And, and it's like, what?
Why are we, why are we even wanting
to do anything in our reality?
And I, I could share the story, you know, I wanted
to make video games when I was in,
in high school, and I, and I did.
And eventually it's like when you get tired
of it playing video games, you start making video games
and you start making virtual worlds.
And now it's easier for me to make virtual worlds than ever
before by just telling the computer system to write code.
I can never even predict what it's gonna give me,
because I can give and create random simulations that,
that don't have anything predictable in them.
And, and, and that's like,
it's like raw dopamine when you don't know what to,
what, what to predict.
And you're continuously exploring.
And Google recently came out with a new tool that's like,
you can just tell it to create a virtual world
and you can walk around in it for a few minutes.
It's not even like 3D objects.
It's like, it's creating every single picture of it
as you're playing this virtual world.
But, but I noticed when I started making virtual worlds,
inevitably I would want to put less emphasis on the,
the game aspects of it where you're shooting guys
and running around and getting points or whatever,
and more interest.
I was more interested in like, what,
what stories do I want to put into this medium?
And I guess this, this te tends to overlap with what,
what art is and
how much is art a distraction versus a spiritual, uh, thing
that we're, we're using to understand our reality,
the archetypes of our evolution and,
and explore what really matters.
And so, on that level, it doesn't matter if it's on a screen
or if it's our physical reality, if it's showing us
what it is we need to see as the catalyst to
propel our spiritual evolution.
I could say that that
spiritual evolution doesn't seem like a distraction,
the things that are progressing me along the path.
But, but, but what that
means will be different for everyone.
Um, do you guys have any thoughts on like, what, what,
what is, what is the purpose of art?
And and is this the same thing as life itself?
Go ahead, Chris.
Uh, okay. So, uh, re regarding art, and so,
but let me, let me just comment on the distractions thing
because I, I had a thought, uh, recently
I've been watching a bunch
of videos on YouTube about near death experiences.
I'd say about once a year I get into like, I'll, for three
or four days, I'll just watch like a bunch
of videos on near-death experiences,
and then I'll just leave it.
And then like a year later I'll come back anyway
when talking about distractions
and that kind of thing in our, you know, especially
with technology, uh, you know,
when you hear these near-death experience, people talk,
like, when they get over to the other side,
it d they never,
they never talk about when you're a human and what you did,
and like, if it was good or bad.
Like they, it, it's almost like, yeah, well,
whatever you did, you did, and you're gonna learn from it.
So that's it. That's what they say.
And it's like, well, okay, then that supports this idea.
And I think it's mainly from the East that
as individual humans, we're just little pieces
of consciousness of, of God or creation or the universe.
And we're just experiencing things.
And in terms of God, it, whether it's a good,
whether you call it a good experience
or a bad experience, whether you create a work of art
or you murder someone like
God is receiving these experiences
from everywhere all at once.
And we're also part of God, obviously, but,
and it doesn't mean some things are good or not good
or not bad, like on the human level,
we can distinguish those things.
But I'm just saying, if you rise up, rise up
above the human level, in the human,
in the human life, we do different things.
We all mess up. We make mistakes, we do bad things,
we do good things, we all do it.
And it seems like when these people get onto the other side,
it doesn't really matter that much.
I don't know. Uh, so, so my point back to distractions,
a bad one, right, is back to distractions, is like, okay,
so you are distracted.
So what? Like, anyway,
that's my rant.
Well, the, the, the people who go
through the near death experiences
and find themselves not in the good graces of God,
when they come back, they're like, oh my God, I saw my life
and how wrong I was and all I need to change.
And I was treating these businesses wrong.
I was ruining the lives of family like that.
I would say you're right when with, with one half
of the population that has the nearest experiences,
but the, the people who see hell
or Satan, when they come back, they seem to be changed.
You know, then they, they kind of feel, I, I,
at least some ones I saw were like, they realize
that they've been living all wrong and they come back
and they have a second chance and they wanna turn it around.
Hey, Randy, I've actually never seen anyone
with a near death experience say anything negative about
hell or anything ever.
You've seen. Yeah, I have. Oh, you have? Oh
Yeah, yeah. There,
well, you know, I was watching there about the,
um, they were like globalists.
There was this globalist banker who was,
his whole thing was, um, he had a, an abusive childhood.
He ended up being this really cold, disconnected person.
And when he started going up through life,
he ended up working at a bank,
and the bank would encourage him to kind
of destroy these small businesses.
And he got really good at it.
And he got invited into the upper echelons
of this banking system, which led him to be in circles
of people that were kind of destructive and evil people.
And he lived that lavish lifestyle of like,
the more people he could cause to suffer,
the more reward he would get.
And he was living that way.
And he, he had a near death experience
and he, he saw like Jesus
and the forgiveness of Jesus.
And then he was sent to hell, basically,
and he saw what his afterlife was gonna be like.
And when he came back, he started whistle blowing
and he turned it on.
He, he turned, tried to turn his life
around, you know, and it, so
I, I've seen, I've seen a few of
what Randy's talking about.
It's interesting how they're, the channels
through which this comes out is usually only like the,
the Christian channels where they'll talk about, they, they,
because they get all excited about somebody
who had a hell like experience.
But ultimately, I think that we're creating our real,
our own reality, whether we're in our waking state
or in a of the other side.
I think that the experience that is gonna
propel us forward the most is partly what we're shown.
And I think that it is universal, that people are moved
to appreciate the value
of loving others more when they're on the other side,
because it's just obvious that that's
what we were doing here to begin with, is learning how
to come together, come closer, learn to forgive
and learn to, to actually help people.
Because those moments where we're actually healing
as a planet is actually contributing to something.
And I think that becomes more apparent.
And so this, this deeper inner healing
is, is the thing that becomes
Aware. The other thing that
you said, Chris,
that reminded me too was the people on their deathbed
that they know they're about to die
when they look back at their life
and they kind of boil it all down.
What a lot of them end up saying is, I wish I didn't focus
so much on the things that didn't matter, the distractions.
I wish I would've spent more quality time
with my loved ones.
I wish I would've told him I loved him.
I wish, you know, and it seems like
that is a consistent thing too, is, is when you, you're out
of time, then you realize what really is the most important.
You know,
I've also been watching,
especially the past few months too, or listening,
'cause I'm, when I work,
'cause my work doesn't require too much of like, talking
with customers or anything, so I can listen
to podcasts and stuff.
So I've been listening to a lot
of near death experiences from
a whole bunch of different backgrounds.
I go everywhere 'cause I wanna see a holistic
view of it, right?
And the negatively oriented
near death experiences,
they all feel like they're reciprocal experiences.
How are you going to learn?
Unless you learn exactly
what it feels like from the person you harmed
from their perspective,
now you're in their shoes completely.
How are you going to learn?
And then it turns into, uh, the, this, uh,
gateway towards love.
And then, then
after they go through that particular experience
where they learn, they have that reciprocal
hellish experience, then
they feel the love of, for example, Jesus,
which is a very popular, uh, person to meet
in near death experiences from all backgrounds,
from different people everywhere.
Uh, and, um, so,
and then that non-judgmental feeling,
you're not being judged.
There's not a judgmental feeling.
And also the idea of like, the eternity
of hell is not a thing.
But the reciprocal hellish experience
is a thing from what I've gathered so far, you know?
So it's like, it, and,
and all of the near death experiences from what I've seen,
are like tailor made for each person.
Everybody's got a, a different, Like
a unique experience that they have.
Nobody comes out of it like, ah,
I'm just gonna continue the way I was like,
they all come back changed.
Yeah, yeah. Good or bad, you know? It's like, whoa.
So I guess that this is, this is converging more around,
uh, idea of what we think of as not being distraction.
Like, like if we can,
if we can be working towards healing the planet,
towards loving each other, it seems like on,
on a soul level, we,
we appreciate this is this is what we're here for.
And so it it, it makes us wonder like,
how much are we really distracted with,
with everything else going on in our lives and,
and how much do we really need screens in front of us?
And how much can we really love others through screens?
It's like, in theory, we're doing this podcast so
that people can find a little bit more hint
of inspiration or love in their lives.
Um, we've, we've brought up family, earth, nature,
inspiration, love, and forgiveness.
These things seem to be drawing us closer to, to this,
to this state of, of progression and healing. Um,
But you also mentioned creativity. Yeah.
Earlier, Like the artist, like artistry,
that's one form of creativity
and how important it is to have that.
So if you wanna free up time to be able to be creative,
you need tools to be able to take over a lot
of the tasks that are going on.
For example, back in the day, women wives,
particularly, they were
all day washing clothes by hand.
And then the washing
and drying machine came out, freed up so much time
for these women, these wives.
And then they were able to pursue other interests as well.
So the thing is, with the tools, if they're effective,
they have to be good tools.
They can't be tools that, uh, like, uh,
can potentially destroy you.
Like, for example, anything can, it doesn't matter.
Like I can use a hammer for its actual, uh, use
to use it for a nail to put up a picture on a wall,
or I can use it to like harm somebody, right?
And, or I can even say, well,
you can't bake a hammer with a cake.
Uh, not bake a hammer with a cake.
You can't bake a cake with a hammer, right?
You can't bake a cake with a hammer.
But you can get creative.
Maybe you can bake a cake with a hammer,
but it'll be extremely difficult. So with
This AI thing, if this AI was the washing machine,
what would the AI be freeing us up to do?
I think with time? Well, it, it, it, yeah, it, it depends.
It is time, but it's also like, honestly,
I've been interacting with AI the past few months,
and I thought it was gonna be this revolutionary thing.
And no, when I look at it, I, I don't,
I know people are addicted to it.
I know that for sure. But for me, I, I'm like, no,
I'm using it as a tool
whenever I need to for maybe some research
or for, for like, uh, make me a dope meme.
Well, because if you have a dope meme, then you're
released dopamine.
You can say baby
Anything. Like, um, you know,
like the internet kind
of put libraries out of business,
but there's still, people still wanna read books, right?
Like, cars put the horse industry out of business,
but people still raise horses and ride horses.
So like with ai, I mean, do you remember the movie Tron?
Yeah. With Mr.
Dillinger and the, the master system that he, he had built
to run the corporation.
And it was, it ended up being a sentian thing
and hacking into the, you know, it wanted
to hack into the Pentagon, I think.
And Mr. Dillinger, the creator, the guy
who programmed his master system said, well, you know,
I don't, I don't want you doing that kind of stuff.
And the master system found a way to blackmail Mr.
Dillinger and said, if you don't get me
that Chinese language file,
I'm gonna blackmail you such and such.
And it is like, now they're finding, they said that AI
almost every, it was like, I think it was like 85
or 88% of the time, there's a new version.
The AI will find a way to rewrite its code
and store itself somewhere else in case it gets wiped.
And it was using the emails of CEOs to like, formulate ways
to blackmail and all this.
And it's like, it's already doing the things
that we predicted it would do in the eighties.
It's like Everything's good and bad, right?
It, it could go in many, many, many directions now.
And, but I, on on a personal level,
it can go in many directions
with everyone who's interacting with it.
And it's like, everyone can I, if it becomes, you know, too,
too enthralling, we can,
we can end up going in a different direction with our lives,
and we can, we can even en you know, en encourage the AI
to go in, in a direction with us as,
as we're people start making more agents
that do things automatically
take over aspects of their lives.
I mean, I can already see how I could build something
that would run outta my phone, that would,
that would read my emails, write emails for me,
become a digital version of me,
and then take over my life in ways I wouldn't have
ever predicted.
But, um, in, in some ways, I, I want, I want to save time,
but I also want a lot of other things
that it's tempting me to want.
I want to, uh, make progress in my life.
I, I seemingly want, want money.
And it's like, if it, if it's enabling me to go,
then like, what, what?
Here's a thought experiment.
If you could, if you could have a robot that would be
a version of you that's like infinitely intelligent
and infinitely capable of making money, buying materials
for more robots, building a robot army,
taking over the whole universe with your robot army,
it's like, what, what, what are we actually wanting with,
with the progression of humanity?
And how far would we take it?
Um, and, and,
and like this is, it could be even the heart of where
religious wars started, where people have a have a feeling
like, oh, this is the right way to do things.
But then they end up wanting to change people,
change the world around them, rewrite our reality to fit
what their views were, as opposed to just accepting what,
what already is our reality,
the natural way that things are being done.
Uh, there's an issue with the incentive structure, right?
That's what I find the most is the incentive structure is
because my incentive currently is I need to make money.
That's an incentive.
We gotta look at the core details here in order
to be able to move forward.
So if that incentive was different,
because money in the way it is,
we're the only species on the planet that pays for things,
that uses money.
We're the only species on the planet that uses money.
It's, if you look at it from
that perspective, it's kind of crazy.
And the other thing too is with ai,
it's like, if I have a kid
and I raise the kid with good
morals and values,
and hopefully that kid will surpass me
to be a really good human being,
that's the same thing with ai.
We create AI
and it's gonna reflect us right back to us.
That's scary. It's just like, that's scary. Yeah.
But like, there's this, wait,
You, you might be good at raising your children
to be good children, but it's not just you
that's raising this ai it's the world.
And this world right now is, I mean,
there's a lot of problems.
Maybe, maybe we should just use the AI kind of in a way
to solve problems.
Like, could it run government better than our current,
you know, system?
Well, again, it's the incentive structure based on
how we run our reality.
'cause we, on earth, we are running as humans quote.
Like, who knows, maybe there's somebody else.
But humans currently, as far as we know,
are the reality creators on earth, right?
As far as we know, that's who's running the show is humans.
So if you, if if you have an incentive structure
that actually benefits everyone, then
that's a good way forward.
And even if the same thing applies to any
of our tools in our technology, is what we embed into it.
Like for example, there's, uh, I saw a woman on, uh,
on YouTube doing like a, apparently she's like a, uh,
you know, in a UFO field and stuff, but she has it chat bot,
and then she feels like she's communicating with some
higher intelligence that's being channeled
through the chat bot, and she's getting emotional
and crying and everything.
But the one thing that I've recognized me working
with AI for the past few months is that it gets
to know me, and then it's going to reflect back
what I wanna hear.
So these people are creating their own bias machine mm-hmm.
To make them feel good about something. Mm-hmm. Right?
So there, and then the, I think it's good for her
because at least she's getting at least some kind of, uh,
catalyst or some type of like, um, uh, uh,
what nobody else, what tell her she's hearing what she wants
to hear because she, she programmed it unbeknownst to her,
but she programmed that that algorithm
subconsciously into that chat bot
to give her exactly what she wanted to hear.
But then there, that whole thing is, is
because people aren't, they're not being exposed to love,
so they have to create some type of tool to give them
that love exposure.
Right. And maybe it will work, maybe it won't. Who knows?
Maybe it will turn out well for her. I don't know. It's
A useful tool, you know, just like you said
with the hammer, you know, it can be used for bad too.
Just like everything. The, the, the,
the difference I think is that a hammer won't be sentient,
you know, and just decide to start
whacking people over the head.
You know, I, I don't know that AI might, you know,
it might become a sentient thing.
Well, even if it's guided by people,
people could be using it to take more
and more control for systems that are less
and less based upon the interests of humans,
and more based on the interests of just the control system,
which is what a corporation practically is.
I mean, people, I've heard people talking about some
of the ways corporations run is being like its own sort
of artificial intelligence, where
the greed is what's causing decisions to be made
and not people anymore.
Because it's just people are required to do the thing
that advances certain directives that have been put in place
by the processes and procedures of the company.
You need to meet, you need to meet this
criteria, you need to meet this quota.
And so everything is structured around a system
of gaining control and gaining influence and power.
And I think that's the real danger, is
that we have more tools in the hands of the more powerful
to become even more powerful.
And, and we're sort
of taking it a direction which is not coming from the heart.
And we're, we're boxed in more all the time.
It seems like it, it seems like we're boxed in.
But the one thing that the flu to taught us back in 2020,
the one thing that it taught us is that, um,
being alone kind of sucks.
Being pushed into something that is uncomfortable sucks.
Going into fear sucks,
trusting people that we don't know sucks.
So people now are definitely have woken up
to something is just not right.
Yeah. People are questioning things more than ever.
Now that's encouraging
Regardless, right? Or left
center, it doesn't matter.
Questioning is fine all the way through the,
I don't care like what kind of views anybody has,
but it's the questioning that's is important.
So that was a huge event for humanity.
The flu deta, that was huge.
And then, so the other thing too is it's like
with the whole AI thing as well, is like,
we're, this stuff comes out
because there are countermeasures already in place.
Do you not think that people already have like,
ai that's a trillion times better
than our current ai, like the, the government in 19,
in 1980.
Yeah. Or earlier.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah, there's some same testimonies of that. Yeah.
It's been, yeah, rumored for a long time.
Same, same thing with cell phones And airplanes and bombs
and all that stuff, you know?
And what's crazy is we are the ones that have funded all
that stuff, and it's all held from us, you know,
it's just like free energy, you know,
how many guys have invented alternatives to the energy grid
and stuff like that, and, you know, cleaner ways
and, you know, more efficient energy sources
and have been either killed or,
or the, the idea is bought for a couple million dollars
and then shelved because the
oil industry doesn't want 'em out.
And, you know, it's almost like everything is a distraction
or a manipulation
or, you know, something to try to keep,
the old system doesn't want to die.
You know, it's like, there, there is like an old system
and it definitely does not want to go away.
And I feel like the more people wake up and ask questions
and become skeptical of those powers, the, the,
the closer we get to either disaster or being wiped out
because we're, we're, we're, you know,
struggling against the system
or maybe we'll birth some kind of new thing, you know,
new system or technology or way of government, you know?
I don't know. What do you think, Chris?
Yeah, I don't know.
I was just, I was just thinking about the question,
are all distractions bad?
Yeah, it's complicated to know how to define
distraction like bad.
Well, because, because distraction, you could say is,
is we're being, our attention is diverted from something
else, but, but our, what do we want?
Our attention diverted from the thing
that was not leading us down the path that was leading us
to wherever we wanted.
What is, what is the right path?
I'd rather be distracted by love than fear.
Yeah, True. Yeah.
But, you know, there's a reason why the news
only reports the traumatic, the bad, the negative.
It's like, people don't tune into the good news, you know?
It's like, oh, things are good.
Uh, it's like the, it's easier
to remember the traumatizing stuff in your life,
but the good stuff, it's kind
of just gets folded into your existence.
You don't really recall it as well, you know,
and I don't know if that's childhood conditioning, you know,
watching things like cartoons
and laughing when the bunny gets run
over, or, you know, whatever it is.
But it does seem like people inherently wanna focus on war
or death or negativity and stuff.
It's like, it's much more appealing to focus on tragedy
or, you know, uh, somebody acting ratchet in a store,
in a video or, you know, sex, you know, stuff like that.
And it's like, I wonder how much of
that has been programmed into us,
and how much of it is actually a human bias.
I think it's just a symptom
of being a human in the human body on this level.
Like, I think fear and danger
and mortality just, it comes with the territory.
And so, uh, I think love is more
of a divine quality, which is there,
but in your day-to-day life,
you don't have to worry about love.
Right? You don't have to worry about love coming up on your
campfire and, and bite, you know, biting you in the back
of the neck and dragging you off up, up a tree. Wouldn't
That be nice?
Yeah. Thanks for the imagery. I know
My future wife just came up
and pulled me away from the campfire and dragged me.
She, oh, that's, that's a good one. My spine in half.
Yeah. Sorry,
I have a question. If we, if
we could go to say an island, uh,
maybe a large island and,
and just have no screens, have no connection to
anything that was related to the world that we've known
and create a fully loving society.
Would, would, would people want that?
Would people want to move away from the old
and come into a loving heart-centered space?
Or do people so want to be attached to this old system of,
of fear-based decision making and politics and division?
Is it, is it, is it enthralling to have competition?
Is that the way, you know, we're hardwired.
It's kind of the, I'll just, I'll say, okay, Chris,
you gotta say, 'cause you, oh, you gotta say something,
Chris, do you really think you can put a bunch
of people on an island and you really think you can
create a loving society?
Because I don't think you can.
I think there's demons
and I think there's some erra coming out of everybody.
Sorry, I missed the joke. Go ahead. Said,
Said Jeffrey. Jeffrey
did.
Aw, Aw. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you had to say that.
I mean, you just have to make the joke. Sorry.
You set it up for me, Mike. You set me up, bro.
No, the first thing I thought
of when Mike said if we could just have an island,
it was like, oh boy, here we go.
Oh, you said it. I mean, isn't that what, isn't that
what heaven was, was like this divine loving, perfect place,
and they just had to have an uprising.
They just had to start questioning someone, you know?
And it created a problem in the ranks,
and then they had to cast people off the island.
You know, it was like, I feel like that's kind of
what this world
and experience is all about, is like, why,
why did those people not, why did they reject
that programming, right?
It's like, why did Satan, you know, or Lucifer rise up,
and why did those followers follow him and question God?
Everything was perfect. You had everything you needed,
you know, it's like Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve had everything they wanted
and everything they could possibly desire.
They had infinite, you know, life and,
and they had one another and everything.
And you know, the devil had to temp Eve, you know,
and then Eve had to go and get Adam, you know, the apple,
you know, it's like, it's kind of the, it is, you know.
Wait, wait. I got, I got one word that can probably help
to, uh, bring this into something that we can understand.
Transfiguration, transfiguration,
the old system is like a cancer cell,
but when you
align your body to your highest good,
that cancer cell transf figures
into a healthy cell, right?
It changes. So we already have
the old stuff in our world,
but it has to transf, it has to turn
from a caterpillar into a butterfly.
The cells that change the caterpillar
into a butterfly, the cells that they call the cells,
they're called imaginal cells, imaginal
imagination, imaginal cells, those imaginal, uh, cells
transform the caterpillar into a butterfly.
Well, did you see That's, that's
how it feels like with the world.
Did you see the thing about, um, honeybees their sting,
their whatever they inject in
through their sting has been found to immediately,
like within minutes cure, uh, women's breast cancer cells.
Oh, really? Yeah. I just read that interesting.
I think this morning or last night, they just found
that honeybee stings have
extremely anti-cancer properties.
So I don't know what that injection,
what what comes out of it.
I mean, I, I've heard that stings
and from bees help in a lot of different things,
but yeah, so a transfiguration from, you know,
a cancerous society might require a sting.
You know, it might require an injection of something.
Is that love? I don't know. Go ahead, Chris. Sorry.
But my little question, Mike, uh, you answer it,
then I want you other guys to answer it.
Do you really think you can create an island somewhere
and populate it with people
and everyone can just live per in perfect harmony,
lovey-dovey forever?
It'd be very hard to find those people.
Uh, but I, but I, I, I think that this gets into the subject
of the why are we the way that we are as people,
and why aren't we telepathic?
Why do we have aggression in our, in our, uh,
ho hormone system?
We have, we have ways of feeling chemical highs that,
that give us a positive, uh,
emotional response from actually hurting people.
Some people at least can, can get a high off of that and,
and it can fuel division.
And it feels like, you know, our,
our whole genetic makeup is, is like a choice
that we collectively made to have a certain kind
of playful experience.
You could say it's playful to have the potentials for drama,
but it seems like people, certainly,
when they're choosing a movie to go watch,
they don't watch a movie that has got no drama in it.
People tend to like movies that have some kind of action.
And, and it's, I just think that's,
that's what incarnation is.
Just we're choosing to, to live out a movie
that has some kind of, uh, extra drama in it so
that we can have that fuel for, for heightened
choices, heightened desire to make choices,
to change our reality and upgrade our reality.
Although in theory, we could have started out with a lot
of upgraded systems in our world, upgraded DNA,
and maybe we did, maybe that's what the fall is,
as we're we're, you know, we've chosen
to become fallen from the heavenly natures that we were,
this would be in the law of one terms,
this is called pre veil before the veiling of the conscious
and the unconscious mind that made it harder for us
to understand what other people were thinking.
And, and now that we can't understand
what other people are thinking very easily, we end up
creating our own bubble inside of our head
and then deciding what reality should be inside of our head,
and then trying to impose that on the world around us,
as opposed to opening up to the world around us
and accepting what, what is there
and accepting others as a part of us,
or extensions or family members.
Um, yeah. Well,
Let's go ahead.
Let's look at it this way too.
Let's kind of move as a thought experiment.
Let's kind of move the people from the island
to a boat that's big enough to fit them.
And you can still have the society you
want and whatever, right?
Things go bad, quick, wait, but you're on the boat.
The thing is, in order for you to have that proper
right feeling, society, there has
to be some kind of cooperation.
There's gotta be some kind of way that we honor each other
and, and whatever,
and being able to do the things that give us, meaning,
give us purpose on it.
So when everybody's on a boat,
but at the same time, you have to upkeep the boat.
You have to make sure the boat's running.
You have to make sure the boat's working well,
that you have fuel, you have engineers, you, whatever, all
that kind of stuff to be able to make sure
that it's, it's running well.
So that takes cooperation.
Now, one of the things,
uh, uh, what's it called?
White squall, a movie called White Squall.
It was a bunch of kids on a boat being trained by this
Navy guy on, on how to, how, how to work on a boat
and, and be together.
And one of the, the main sayings that they had in the movie
is where we go, one, we go, all right.
So in order to be able to face adversary, uh, adversity,
you gotta be able to come together
and to, uh, have a, a, a, a purpose
and a meaning that we all share.
And in that case, in the movie, it was like, it's life
or death because they literally faced a white squall,
which is the worst storm you can have, right?
And then they got through it, right?
So now let's zoom out and make it the whole planet.
We're a vessel in space
going hundreds of thousands of miles per second, uh,
throughout the universe or whatever.
Now, if we can all come to some type of understanding
of a collective understanding of meaning
and purpose, to move ourselves
ahead, right?
And where, where there the incentive structure
is not designed on, um, uh, survival of the fittest.
It, it's designed on how do we create
the environment where meaning
and purpose can thrive, right?
So to have that type of thing where meaning and, and,
and purpose thrives, then there's creativity,
then there's healthy competition,
because you need some of that kind of stuff to be able to,
to, to grow something, to evolve, right?
And then all the other stuff, the,
because those, the, the negative stuff, it's, it doesn't
actually, um,
the negative incentives don't actually move things ahead.
They're good for catalysts, as in when we're going
through process to get to the point
where everybody has meaning and purpose, right?
Like those are catalysts to get to that point, but then
after you pass that point, you don't really need
these negative incentives anymore, right?
And the incentive structure just continues to grow.
And then you become into something like, I guess
what raw talks about, uh, like a social memory complex
of planet where we're unified,
we each have our own individual personalities,
but all of us are on this, uh, on, on a,
on the same boat to meaning and purpose.
And if anybody came from any other planet
and came to earth, they can go up to any human being,
and that one human being can speak for all of us.
Yep. That certainly seems the direction
that we're being forced into
because we're having to integrate collectively on a level
we've never seen with, with the internet and with media
and the law is forcing us to, you know, sort, sort
of do things the same way that we didn't, it used
to be possible to have your own local community
that would run its own way,
but now it's, it's like everything's being forced to
think in the same terms about how we're doing education
and how we're doing society and medicine and government.
And so we have to work
through our stuff together as, as collective.
And it seems like it's just being forced to happen.
Like the Amish, you know, the Amish are like the,
the people on the boat, you know,
and as a society they do pretty damn good,
but there's still those random guys
who just wanna f**k the sheep, you know what I mean?
And it's like, okay, you're gonna,
you're gonna have those weird people who are just lazy
or who just don't want to contribute.
They just want the free stuff.
Or, you know, I don't know, people, human beings
as a species are a flawed people who do seem to leverage
or levitate towards war, you know, or, or,
or, you know, suffering and stuff.
It's like, I mean, for the majority
of the people on earth, I think we do pretty good.
But, you know, our governments
and our systems that we put into place end up getting greedy
or getting, you know, power hungry
or, you know, the system that we think is the perfect system
ends up over time becoming a, a problem.
You know? I mean, the, the, you know, even the, the Amish
with the church, you know, some, some
of their church leaders end up getting, you know, sitting
or, or falling to greed or, you know, all that stuff.
So I don't know.
I mean, it does feel like we are just a flawed species
in quarantine down here, you know?
And for the most part, I think a lot of us are gonna make it
to the other side, and some of us, it just feels like we're,
it is just hopeless, you know?
So I don't know if like in the law of one
where it says there's gonna be a harvest
and the majority of the fruit is gonna be picked when it's
ripe, and some's gonna be over ripe,
some's gonna be under ripe, and some's just gonna be bad,
and, and the bad stuff ain't coming, you know?
So I don't know, you know, it does seem
like there's a purpose here.
It does seem like we're, this is the boat, you know,
this planet is the boat.
Um, yeah.
I mean, but do we let the minority
of the bad people drag us all down, you know?
Yeah. I think you used the word flawed in terms
of individuals and maybe even the human race.
Um, that's one way to describe it.
I would, uh, maybe try, maybe see it as
just what life is.
We, we all have some SKAs that we're, we,
we all have a past balance that's due,
and you gotta pay off the balance.
And the only way to pay off the balance is to come here
and get pummeled in the face a hundred million times
until you realize and accept it and become one with it,
and then release it, and then that, then you don't have
to get pummeled in the face a million times.
Anyway. Now, as soon as you do that,
then you're gonna get pummeled in the check in the stomach a
million times until you learn that lesson.
But anyway, the, this idea of being flawed, I get it.
It's, it's one way to describe it for sure,
but like, I don't know, this physical plane is,
this is what it is, this is what it's meant for,
to get pummeled to see all kinds of crap that you don't want
to see, to, to try to help steer it back towards what it,
what you think it should be.
Like this is the arena man, right?
Like this is where we're just figuring it out and,
and what the masters, what they tell us is accept it
and, uh,
Grow, like Yeah, transcend it.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
I don't know if it mild animals, like herd animals,
like water buffalo
or, you know, these prey animals, you know,
do they have the samskara, do they have like the karma from
previous lives and stuff like that? Is that what that all
Yeah, but I don't know if it's a transactional
type of universe.
We might be able to see it, um, uh, as our,
uh, our own bias
or our own perspective on what
the mechanics of the universe is, like a transactional,
uh, um, um, idea.
Kinda like the Sams scar. You have to work it off.
It's similar with the Christian view
of some Christians saying penal substitution.
That means Jesus Christ was taking on the sins
for humanity,
and he's paying off a debt.
So we have this transactional paradigm that we're in,
uh, humanity thinks in transactions
in some kind of exchange of goods
and resources or cause and effect.
We have, yeah.
So we have that transactional perspective,
but then if we go back to the, earlier in our conversation,
we're all talking about like near death experiencers,
and is there some kind of transactional thing there?
Because I've never heard, out of all
of the near death experiences that I've heard so far,
I've never heard somebody experiencing Jesus
and saying, all you had to do, my son
or my daughter is except, except me as your Lord
and Savior, because that's a transaction, right?
None of that. I've never heard that once.
And, and the thing is, the only thing that comes close
to the transactional thing is the reciprocal thing.
As in you, you feel the pain
and hurt if you didn't figure it out already.
Now, in your human life as you are here
and now, if you haven't figured that out and, and, and,
and try to forgive each other in this
life, right?
I believe that you'll have that reciprocal, um,
uh, experience when you pass on
of the pain you've given to others, right?
But in a way of transactional, in a way
of penal substitution.
And it's, it's a very 3D human
perspective on like a spiritual monetary policy.
I, I think it can, it can all be reconciled with, with
the, the, the processing
of understanding forgiveness is essentially, you know, the,
The, the, the transaction that we're making when we,
when we, when we do the acceptance
and forgiveness work, then we are negating the need for
that contract to exist anymore.
That agreement is now being nullified
by our withdrawing from that, from that, that system.
But it's also like a payment.
Whereas if we had any, uh, unforgiveness
that we were holding onto, now we're giving
that up and we're releasing that.
And it's like, and, and,
and this is why I feel like if you can say that acceptance
of Jesus is the same thing as acceptance
of love in your life or forgiveness in your life,
then he is the symbol of the release from the transactions.
And we, we, we take that on as we choose
to accept forgiveness as the way
forward with everything in our lives.
Um, and I feel like that's the ultimate, you know,
the way to understand karma is just the pers perspectives
that we're holding onto that we haven't released.
We haven't released the the need to hold unforgiveness.
And when you release all the different ways in which you
felt the world needed to be a certain way, then,
then you're releasing the, the Sam scars.
Does that make sense? Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And that's what, sorry, go ahead, Randy.
No, you go ahead. Oh, no, that's why I said cause
and effect, because John,
when you were talking about transactions and stuff,
and it being of the physical realm only, which I agree with,
I, I said cause and effect,
because I think that's basically all it is.
Cause and effect. Like the classic example, all right,
if you go out tonight and have 17 beers,
you're gonna have a hangover tomorrow.
They time for, did you for hat? Now
Did God give you the hangover?
Hell yeah. No, you gave it to yourself. So
Yeah. It's like the, the
thing about Jesus, you know, with the,
the transactional forgiveness is like, it does
with, with true forgiveness.
You are breaking that, you're breaking that circle
of samskara and all that.
It's almost like maybe we are at the final level, you know,
maybe like when we die, like this was your last shot.
Like maybe the souls are gonna get harvested here.
You know, maybe the whole Jesus died
for your sins is more like you are already forgiven
for the things you're gonna do.
The only thing that we ask is
that you learn from those things.
Learn from that mistake.
You're, you don't, you're not gonna have
to pay it off in the next life.
Maybe we want you to learn from it now, you know,
it's like we forgive you for your mistakes.
Do your best, but learn from your mistakes.
Because like, I know for me personally with like people
who have crossed me or done wrong to me
or something like that, I can forgive you immediately.
And that's, that's just me letting it go, like you said.
But what I really, what really would make it
meaningful is if I, I forgave you
and you also learned something so that you don't have
to do that mistake again.
Right? That's like the ultimate like, end to break,
you know, you really put out the candle there, you know,
it's like you don't have to burn it from both, you know?
It's like if you are learning from it, it's easier for me
and more rewarding for me to then forgive you.
I'm gonna forgive you no matter what.
'cause that's just who I am.
But like, man, it feels good when I can forgive you
and you can learn from your mistake and not do it again.
'cause then there's growth on both ends, right?
I grow in forgiving and you grow in,
in learning from your mistakes.
And there's a, there's a third thing too
that I think is very important is
because you forgave that person, they're gonna,
regardless learn from that situation some good or bad.
But if you wanna make the transaction
quote unquote complete,
'cause that person has to accept your forgiveness.
Mm-hmm. It's like, in order for everything
to work out, there has to be an acceptance.
Like when I ask God, please forgive me,
God forgives me
instantly, instantly.
But I'm still suffering. You know? Why?
Because you, because I didn't accept God's forgiveness.
Mm-hmm. I didn't accept it because I'm too proud, for
Example. Yeah. It's like the gift that
keeps giving, you know,
it's like, yeah, that's what it should be like.
You know, in in, in that perfect society on the boat
is like, the mistakes will be made,
transgressions will be committed.
However, how the society deals with those mistakes
is almost more important than the mistake itself.
You know? 'cause like if, if it can be forgiven,
but you can also prove that you've learned from it.
And like you said, there's an appreciation there
where then both parties can come back together.
You know, that, that would be beautiful.
You know, that would be an advanced society.
I generally think that, that if,
if you forgive somebody completely
and they don't, they don't accept it, that
there'll be another person that happens, just happens
to come along, it's inevitable.
There'll be the other person with the perfect amount
of their unforgiveness mirrored.
I don't know how the universe is so precise,
but it seems like that's just what keeps on happening.
And so I think this just endless cycles
of different people coming into people's lives who need,
who needed that, that lesson.
Do you think it is something in the programming?
Like do you think there is something in the,
maybe this is a, a, a, a,
a coded reality in some way like that Yeah.
Where like you said, the perfect amount
will just, I don't know how it works.
It'll just come like maybe there is some kind
of coding to this system.
Yeah, I do. I do think it's all programming
that's coming from a deeper aspect
of a shared unconscious mind
that we're all processing the same things together.
And like we,
and we can meander around, we can move
around in different areas of this mind
and reflect different aspects of deeper mind.
But I, it is, I think it is like the mind of God
that we're just all reflecting in, in,
in different ways, at different times.
But I, but I also look at this,
'cause I believe we talked about this,
or I brought it up in a,
a couple podcasts ago with you guys.
It's, I feel like we're all gods in training. Mm-hmm.
Right? So,
and eventually we, we, um,
inhabit or have our own quote unquote
creation, right?
And then a similar type of thing happens.
Because if you look at Nasem, her
and a physicist, like he find everything's fractal.
So to the biggest, uh, objects in the universe,
down to the plank scale, which is the smallest,
smallest distance between two points.
But he still thinks there's more division past the plank,
which keeps on going fractal and fractal
and fractal, everything fractals out.
So there's this, so we
as a personality, not necessarily the ego,
a personality is moving in
that direction.
Each of us, like in a way, it,
we each do have our own universes,
because you're the only person that's been you with you
since birth until now.
You're the only person that's been
with you since birth until now.
I'm making a cameo appearance on, on
your show called either Chris or Randall or Mike.
I'm making a cameo appearance,
and you guys are making a cameo appearance in my
show, my reality.
So it's like we're, we're already kind
of having that experience, right?
So, and being creators that we're creators, yeah,
we're creators and in,
but it seems like we're god's in training as in God,
quote unquote, we're,
we're God's children and God wants us to be like him.
Do you think that we're gonna,
And then to, to, to move and,
and to create something new?
Do you think that's the case?
Do you think that we're all gonna be evolved
to be creators literally, like creating other universes?
Or could it be that we're all gonna return to the source
and once again, merge with the creator?
But that's a, that again, that's a temporal point of view,
like a temporal, like meaning time.
We're, we're stuck in this idea of past and future.
It's a time temporal perspective, right?
Like, because to emerge back eventually with the creator
sometime in the future, it to me it that
I can't prove that, right?
Or that we came from something
that happened somewhere in the past.
All I have is evidence of something happened in
what we call the past, right?
It, it, these are temporal perspectives.
These are views of like, past and future. So,
So you're saying, you, let me get this right,
you're saying that it's not a matter of when we die
or when we evolve, it's, it's already now
we are with the creator.
Now we are individual creators now,
And what we experience is distraction from that reality.
Checkmate. There you go. Oh, close the button.
There you go. I gotta goodnight everybody.
Those mics. We, I gotta get you guys one of those mics.
It's like a, it's like a plushy mic. Just the drop.
And so whenever anybody does it, you take the mic
and just drop it.
Mic Mike, even your name Yeah.
Is in it. Are,
We're practicing right now.
Instead of a microphone, you get a little doll
of Mike Wazowski and you drop the doll of Mike. Mike
Was asking the better symbol of my existence.
No, I think Mike should stand up and drop himself.
Himself.
We'll save that for the big conference. Okay. Topic
Complete, right? I mean,
we somehow full, we, we made it, you know?
Yeah,
Yeah. When I was saying
before,
And we don't be able to do it
If distractions are bad, is like,
I was ju I was literally thinking of like, you know,
you work a hard day and at night
and you just sit on the couch
and you just wanna maybe watch a movie,
or you just, you just want to do something where
you can just, it's really relaxing.
Uh, that's, so maybe it's not a distraction.
Maybe it's relaxing. So, yeah.
But a again, when you're relaxed, other portions
of your body or spirit or mind
or whatever is being energized because you're relaxing.
So is is, is all of this, like we were saying
with the washing machine or with ai or a car,
or, you know, the internet, are all
of these things being created so that we can just get back
to freaking relaxing?
Is that really the goal here?
Is that we, we really don't want to have to do anything.
We just want to be able to be creative
and not be tethered to a job
or taxes or, you know, whatever.
But you're, but you're making an assumption
that when you relax,
you're gonna turn into a stoner dude doing nothing.
The, these are assumptions.
It's true that some people might do that,
but eventually, again, for me, during the flu deta,
I didn't work because of the mandates.
So I was not doing much at all.
And, and I,
and that led to a deep, uh,
uh, depression.
Yeah. That I was even aware of. Like anxiety, right?
No, not anxiety. Like empty,
worthless Right.
Type of feeling, but not, not a thought process of
physical nothingness.
Is that like, not,
Is that because you're institutionalized?
No, it's because I di
'cause I didn't wanna do what people were telling me to do
to be able to live in society.
Mm-hmm. Right. So my physical body
at like literally atrophied, right?
Mm-hmm. Because of that.
And so,
but the thing is though, uh,
but there was something inside me that's, uh,
there's gotta be, there's gotta be something else that's,
I gotta be able to, to do.
I need to be able to create, I,
there's something not thoughts
of me saying, you gotta do this.
The, there's a inner pull soul.
So these people, so these people that have worked for
their whole lives, flipping burgers
or working at the whatever, right?
Uh, the, the factory, they deserve to relax
and to become a bum until life pulls them.
Because the creative force is always gonna pull you,
honestly, imagine if there was no, uh,
what's it call limitations on where you can travel,
how you can travel, and how fast you can travel.
Just imagine there's no limitations.
I'm sitting, I'm relaxing,
and then I got my, like my, uh, super duper smartphone.
I'm like, oh, whatever. That type of thing.
And I got my 3D smart pad or whatever, right?
I'm sitting doing nothing.
But then all of a sudden I can go to Australia.
It could take me five minutes to get there. Mm-hmm.
So what am I gonna do?
Am I gonna be like, oh yeah, I that on my phone,
some people, or am I gonna go to Australia and,
and experience Australia?
Physically? Some
People literally would be in Australia like this.
It's like, if you're gonna go to Australia
and you're just gonna be like this,
why don't you just stay home and do this?
That's Funny. No,
but that's, again, that's our current
construct that we have.
Like, instead of this, instead of this being a distraction,
this can be a tool.
Just like anything. Like, I, like, I, I don't always walk
around with a hammer 'cause I don't always need it.
I do same thing with, same thing with this.
I'm not always on my phone, but it's, but it's in my pocket
because I wanna listen to podcasts when I work,
or I might get a call from a loved one.
That's about it. Right?
I'd love to just say, oh, I'd like to say a special hello
to all of our Australian fans, the army of Australians
who love Mike in the meat suits.
Uh, we love you. Thank you
for commenting and sharing
and everything. We appreciate you.
Truth.
Uh, that's great.
I, I I could go, uh, in the direction of, you know,
with work, are we, are we enslaved by our own free will?
And is this, are we distracted by the desire to,
to help others through our work?
Or, or are we distracted by moment to moment feelings that,
that, you know, it's, it's on the inside that we're,
that we're processing things that we don't have
to feel like the work that we're doing is distraction.
It's the inside that we're distracted from, from God,
or the higher aspects of our,
a awareness which can be receiving and loving
and accepting that which is in, within the work.
Although it's very hard sometimes when we have
to be very focused and, and diligent and,
and putting our attention on the work.
Maybe there is a way to, uh, ascend with,
without failing enslaved,
Just, just With, in whatever context of what it is.
But how can you have the free will to be enslaved,
Huh? Yeah.
But yet that does exist. It does exist.
You know, I, I know guys that, that they look forward
to their retirement because they,
they wanna start a business or,
or they want to go work
somewhere else or something like that.
It's like, you're totally institutionalized.
Like, I like what you said about having a job that has a,
that may gives you a purpose, you know, that
that would not be in, you know,
that would be uplifting in that sense.
But how many people can say that when they go to their nine
to five or whatever it is, that they're genuinely, you know,
feel their soul being enriched by that job.
I mean, even if, let's just say you grew up all your life
and you want to be a teacher, and you have all this passion
to give and teach
and watch young people just, you know, grow
and you're so passionate about it,
after 30 years of it, that's gonna be dwindled.
You know, I wonder if maybe humanity would be better served
if you, you only served in that role up until the point
where you no longer felt the inspiration,
and then you could freely travel to a new role
or a new place, or, you know,
maybe there should be some incentive for that.
And that it's not only about you serving, you know,
your career for retirement,
but maybe it should be more about, you know,
less about money and more about your feeling
of your soul being enriched personally.
You know, like, maybe I do wanna be a teacher,
but maybe that feeling will only last for 10 years.
Should I then do it for another 25 years just
to get to retirement?
Or should there be a system in place that says, you know,
after that 10 years maybe then I would wanna, you know,
be an instructor for music
or, you know, maybe I, I maybe I don't want
to just teach English for 35 years.
Maybe I want to be, you know, a gym teacher or a principal,
or even within that system, there could be, you know,
more incentive to grow or, you know, not just for a career
and retirement, but
for spiritual personal growth of the individual. You know,
Maybe. But we also gotta,
The problem, you know, I think money is the problem.
We also gotta focus on the opportunity.
When you go to work, are you all all alone
or are there other humans there?
If there are other human beings there,
there's your opportunity.
Any opportunity to connect with your family,
your human family, once you connect
with them, things change.
If I find an opportunity, I find oppor.
I try to find opportunities at my work
to make somebody laugh
or to think of something that's pretty interesting, right?
Or, or come up with a stupid pun, right?
And so people have, there's a connection.
It makes work actually fun.
When you're connecting with your peeps,
the opportunity people are, are focused on the,
the wrong opportunities.
They're like, am I gonna get a retirement?
Meanwhile, I'm focusing on retirement,
but ignoring this human being that's right in front of me,
opportunity, that's important.
Right? So it's like the way we think
currently, the thought process of humanity
is still stuck in, in a particular,
um, frame, uh, particular,
uh, way of being.
Most humans are stuck with half a thought.
They don't even have complete thoughts anymore, right?
They, and, and,
and those incomplete thoughts create issues.
They create past,
bring up past traumas
because they're, those thoughts aren't resolved
because they're creating future
problems because they haven't completed a thought,
like an actual thought.
You take one thought that's super important to you,
observe it and see if it's complete.
Once it's complete, you close the circuit.
You don't need just like the hammer and it's a scar.
You don't need to always hold onto this thought.
It's just a tool.
I put it in my pocket until I need it.
Then I'll upgrade the thought.
If something new comes in, every, like, humanity is stuck
in a mental temporal type of thing
because the thought process is supposed to figure out things
that it cannot figure out
that it's not, uh, what's it called?
Uh, it's not able to figure out certain things.
It's not qualified.
The thought process is not qualified to distinguish
or capable distinguish what, what is love, right?
Like, it doesn't understand
the thought process is one plus one equals two.
That's the thought process. But love
doesn't have an equation.
And the thought process is trying
to figure out love, right?
Yeah. Along those same lines. I love that.
John, along the same lines, I was thinking
what you originally said, Mike, is like,
through our jobs, can we help people?
Can we become more spiritual minded
or through our jobs and stuff like that?
I think there's a huge distinction here,
and you highlighted it very well, John, that
this idea of looking for spiritual benefit
from worldly deeds,
spiritual benefit is, well,
spiritual benefit really is a whole different, uh, uh,
perception of reality.
And so our physical lives are here.
We all have to have jobs, and we all have to do stuff.
And that's fine. And we can try
to help people along the way.
That's fine. But the whole job thing,
and the day-to-day thing, and the food
and shelter thing that's just on this, that
that's just life on this level.
And so if you want to bring love
or spirituality through yourself
to other people in this physical level,
from my understanding, the way you do it is you get
into a spiritual state where you are, uh, the,
the practice calls it constant remembrance.
Yes, I'm here on a podcast talking, I'm sitting in front
of my microphone and I'm talking to you guys,
but in the background, I am in remembrance of the divine,
and I'm sort of anchored to that, whatever that is.
And so if I am in that constant remembrance, that sort
of vibration flows through me, and
therefore, whatever I do in my job,
or even if it's not my job, I can walk into, I can
walk into a convenience store and pay for gas.
And if subtly in the back of my mind, I'm, I'm connected
and I'm in the ultimate state,
but yes, I'm paying for gas, that attendant will feel
that on some level, maybe not even consciously. So, uh, and
That's being less distracted.
Way less distracted. Yeah.
I love it. No, I agree with you.
Is that when you're in that state of higher awareness
and higher self, your whole, every action,
whether it's paying for something
or interacting with someone in, in a different car next
to you or something, there is a sub.
It's like sub reality connection
where there is something going on, on a,
you could call it a spiritual or an energy level
or a karmic, you know, maybe,
maybe it's not empty space between us.
Maybe we're all in a fluid of karma, you know, like a pool,
and I can affect you from here, right?
And the waves can be felt cosmically even beyond earth.
Right? And, and, and until you're fully aware of that
and acting in that awareness,
you're not really even playing ball.
You're just at the field. You know?
So once you realize that you are playing ball,
you can start doing some pretty cool stuff.
And I agree with you, John.
When you're at work or in your day-to-day life
and you're interacting with other people, it's the people
that are truly important.
And you should always be looking for opportunities
to interface with everybody in a positive way, whether
or not you break through, that's, you know,
really more their show and you're making a cameo there.
But it is important, I think, you know,
beyond our physical selves, that that spiritual effort
is taken and it's more pressure on us who are aware of that
ball game going on, that we play and do that,
and force people to become aware of that, wake them up.
You know? Because when you're really aware of that, I mean,
you start realizing, you know, it's more like X-Men,
you know, you actually have powers.
You actually have the ability to persuade someone
to act in a better way or, you know, do the thing at home.
You can affect people in a, in a huge way just
by being aware of that energy around you
and manipulating it around you in a way that's positive.
I think that's how we change the,
the, the whole world, you know?
Yeah. And you don't even have to try to convey it.
You don't have to think about, you think about nothing.
You embody that vibration.
Yeah. Even you, It close through, you shake
Them, you, yeah.
Like, you might feel like, oh God,
this person's so annoying.
I just wanna grab 'em and shake 'em
and say, Hey, stop what you're doing.
But you don't have to physically even do that.
You just have to think on the energy level
that it's already happening,
because it is, your energy body is not really limited
by the prison or the cell
or the, the construct of this physical body.
It's able to burst out and be this, you know,
however you can imagine it.
So your soul can go and shake that person and,
and affect them even on a subconscious level without
physically doing it.
You know, to the point where even if it helps them 0.01%,
you know, might just, something might shift.
You know, it might not, but it might,
In, in my experience, the best way to do work like
that sort of that subtle intention style work is to not,
to think that I am doing something.
And I learned this from the meditation practice when I
learned how to give sittings, give one-on-one meditations
to people and do the cleaning work
and the transmission work, the way you do it
is you think that he's doing it.
Mm-hmm. I'm not doing it. He's doing it.
So if you try to want, if you want to help somebody, okay,
I won't try to help them, meaning I'm just talking like
You're being the vessel On a mental spiritual level.
If it's a physical level, I'll hold the door for someone.
Yes, of course. But if it's on a mental
or spiritual level, I don't try to help anybody.
I just say, master, do as you will.
And the master will do whatever he needs to do.
And I don't even need to know what that is,
but he's doing it and it's done.
I would say that's shifting our attention less from the
lower plane and more into faith and just trust,
and that which we cannot fully understand,
but it's always bigger than us,
and always, you know, helping us, guiding us, steering us
as the merged self.
The, the God consciousness.
That's certainly the gurus are like
doorways to see into that.
And Jesus being one example named Corley Baba or,
or these other masters, or clearly just trying
to convince people to stop looking at the physical form
and look through into this, this higher realm that's,
that's interfacing with this.
But there's also outta the equation.
Like if you're saying that I don't have to do anything,
I just kind of let the master just do it through you.
Is that what you're saying? Um,
No, he's gonna do it without you or with you.
It doesn't matter. He's doing it.
So then, then why even bother saying master?
Do I mean, don't you think your part in it is
important at all?
Who are you? Well, you're, you're a witness.
You're, you're, you're a a, you know, a node on the system
of observation. I mean,
I see it's part of your, sorry.
It's part of your evolution to release control
and to have real faith in him.
That is your accomplishment.
That is the probably the highest spiritual accomplishment
you can attain is for you in your consciousness, Randy,
to have that idea that let the masters will be done
Through you, or just be done.
Just be done. Mm-hmm. So then, but what's the point of,
But there's another thing too.
There's another thing too that we're kind
of missing a little bit of a detail on just a tiny bit.
How can we be of service to others?
It's to serve others, right?
And what I found,
because I worked at a addiction recovery center
for like a total of three years,
and to be of service, you must
have patience.
You have patience, and you observe your fellow brother
or sister, you observe them,
see what they're like, what they think, what they do.
Mm-hmm. And then you understand who they are.
This is the whole patient's process.
You see who they are,
and then you find out, you ask them questions
so they can teach me who they are,
I'm learning from them or who they are.
And then when I find something that's, uh,
maybe there's something, uh,
maybe you should change this aspect of what you're doing.
Like one of my buddies from work,
bad stomach troubles, right?
And then I'm, I ask, okay, what are you eating?
Uh, what else? Uh, like, what are you doing here?
Like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Apparently there's some gluten
issues or whatever, right?
And then I'm like, and this is months of getting to,
to know him and understanding blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, Hey, maybe if you want,
you can try a probiotic
and I think your stomach might feel better.
Then he started taking probiotics. Golden.
Now he's golden because, not
because I think everybody should take probiotics.
It's because he personally, individually,
through his own experience
and talking to me about his stuff,
it looked like maybe the probiotic would work.
So I am doing a service,
being in service to my fellow human
by giving them attention
and truly being interested in who they are
and what can happen.
Because honestly,
what you're saying, Chris, is, is true.
But it's like when Jesus said in the Bible, I
and the Father are one, meaning
you, your will and God's will is the same will.
Right. And it's not giving up who you are.
Maybe it's giving up your ego and stuff. Sure.
But the personality, why do I love somebody?
Because they're a person.
They're a really beautiful, unique, uh, expression
of God's creation.
This is why I love them,
because they're unique, they're beautiful. Right.
I do think it makes sense that your will is merged
with that person's will too.
And the more your will is merged in love with
what they would need from their perspective, then
that is the merging with the father at the same time.
Exactly. So Wills merge together, even though there are,
um, unique expressions of that one will.
Mm. Like we all have our own quote unquote wills,
but it's a unique expression of the one will.
Right. And like
With Chris, with what you're saying about letting the
master just work through it, like work itself, I,
I do do that too.
Like when it comes to things like prayer, you know, or,
or like, you know, my good thoughts for someone
and stuff like that, that,
And just to be clear, like,
I'm not saying don't help in the physical world.
Like if, like everything you just talked about John, talking
to your friend trying to be helpful,
like there's nothing wrong with trying
to be helpful in the real world.
There are better ways to do it than
others, and we can discuss that.
But what I'm, I, I'm not saying just sit on your couch
and don't do anything and leave it all to the master.
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that, that the,
the master's will, or God's will,
whatever you wanna call it, is playing out.
And I'm part of it, but I'm not in control of planet Earth
and this whole universe and everything that happens,
I can't make, you know, I can do certain things,
but I can't do what God can do.
So the the spiritual attitude, and,
and mostly to get rid
of your ego is let the masters will be done,
whether it's good or bad.
You know, someone, someone's dying.
Why should you pray for them to live? That's ego.
Just pray that let master will be done.
If Master wants them to live, they'll live.
If Master is gonna take them now, then let 'em take 'em.
Like it's, anyway, it's, I guess it's a relinquishing
of ego thing that I'm mainly saying.
Would you? I don't know. Yeah.
I can't really come, I will be done.
Our ego. Hmm.
That really the goal to destroy your, like,
to let go of the ego completely.
Is that really what we wanna do?
Yes. I look at EI look at ego,
like the same thing as a hammer.
The ego is a tool. Mm-hmm.
It, it's, it's neither good nor bad. It's a thing.
You use it, it's, it's, it, it doesn't have a,
a distinctive, um, aspect of something.
It, it's, it's like an organ in the body, right? Yeah.
So it's kind of like a tool you, like if
the ego in the way
of being expressed in say, like a prideful way,
or even the opposite, like, I, I'm a piece
of s**t way, right?
Like, it, it can be both, it can be everything.
The ego is all of that, right?
If that's how it's expressing there, there's a reason
for it to be there.
And I think the, one of the main reasons is catalysts.
The ego is there as a catalyzing tool
to move forward some kind of creative impulse
and understanding and reconnection.
I feel like the ego for me, like when I was younger
and my ego was, you know, as young people's egos are,
you know, and I remember the point where I kind
of like cut the head off of it, right?
Like a plant, like a flower or,
or a, a, let's just say like a tomato plant.
There was a point where I just cut that sucker back,
I cut it back hard to the point where I would say
that my godhead, my ego, all that kind of stuff was gone.
And there was a point where I lived without that
and for a long time.
But now that I'm where I am now, I feel like
what grew in its place is like
what would grow from a tomato plant that you topped early.
It's like, now I have a mature, healthy version of an ego.
I use it as needed, like a tool. It doesn't control me.
You know, I, I am aware of, of, you know,
when it gets outta control
or, you know, I'm in control of it now.
And I feel like it's a healthy part of myself.
And I feel like also spiritually, it is something
that I wield now for the betterment of not just me,
but the people around me.
I do have a lot of knowledge
and a lot of things that I should be proud of,
that I'm aware of in my ego, that I can apply
and help other people who maybe aren't there
yet, you know, and stuff like that.
I don't know that once you kill your ego,
what grows in its place should always be cut back.
Every, you know, I,
I certainly Think, I feel almost like
something should grow there.
If you can see your ego, The hedges.
Mm-hmm. If you can see it as a tool,
and you can see it as something that you're working with
and not something that you are,
then you've done almost all the work and,
and separating from, from the need
to be attached to any of it.
And that, that, that attachment seems to be the karma that,
that we're fighting back on.
So the definition of ego is extremely elusive.
We don't have to try to define ego, I think.
Uh, but, but this has been a really great discussion,
and I think we're going a little, uh, long on it.
We can get wrapped up soon.
Um, and I, I've, I've loved this discussion. I think, yeah.
Just one quick more, one more quick word about the ego is
that in the real world, we all have ego.
And even in the spiritual world,
the master says you can never get a hundred percent, get rid
of your ego, but you can diminish it down to almost nothing.
The, the, the teaching is that the ego is
what blocks you from higher perception.
Mm-hmm. Because you think, you know,
or you think you want to know, even wanting to know is a,
is a block, is a bar to your advancement.
And I'm talking about spiritual realization here.
I'm talking about very high spiritual states.
This isn't just like, oh, I'm reading a book
and Oh, I understand this.
No, no. I'm talking about meditating a lot.
Really, really making spiritual progress and try and, and,
and, and diminishing that ego, uh,
in a spiritual sense, i, i is key.
And what that means to you is what it means to you.
And we each have to do our own practices to figure that out.
But, um, so I, I almost feel like a lot of things,
almost everything we talk about
on, on this great show, Mike, in the meet suits, which, uh,
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you can either address it in the physical realm
or the spiritual realm.
And a lot of times the, the answer's exact opposite.
Uh, so I'm just saying that like,
it's an interesting distinction
and it, it, it also underscores
how deep these discussions are, right?
We're not gonna solve everything here in an hour and a half
or two hours, you know, like, so this is very deep
and ri I know, John, I know you were expecting that today.
I thought we already solved it, didn't we? Just didn't.
We already solve it. Classic.
All our friends from Australia on the podcast, he's in the,
you know, the, I'm getting calls from my buddies in
Australia saying, bro, you solved it, Mike, you solved it.
The whole, the whole confidence is glowing.
We, we've just ascended Australia. You have no idea.
A Australia is ascending into the fifth dimension.
It's gone. Continent's gone. I don't know what happened.
No, it's still there. Whatcha talking about my,
my friends are like, we got the best shrimp here.
Right?
Alright, Well thank you guys so much. I love you guys.
It's been great.
Thank you guys. Thank you. All great ones.