alright I guess I guess we get started Uh yeah so
I'm mike Wazowski and I'm here with my friend Jacob
cox um Jacob is one of the more spiritual people in
my community and Carlos Springs here that I've been
friends with for a while and it's just always fun
to talk to him about spiritual topics and Jacob is
just as fond of jesus as I am and I thought it
would be fun to have a conversation about jesus
specifically Jacob yeah I'm excited about that I
mean it's definitely something that I feel like in
some circles it's hard to have that conversation
about christ because there's a lot of projection on
what he what he might be as opposed to really the
truth of who christ really was Yeah so yeah so what
was your journey like did you grow up christian And
did you have you have an awakening at some point
that that shifted you in some way I did Yeah so um
for me honestly I as you can as a kid I felt you
know was one of those kids that felt like how was I
born into this family or whatever like I felt like
different from not just my mom and my dad my
brother but just like aunts and uncles and cousins
and you know they were all these really god fearing
people and um actually grew up like Pentecostal and
I remember being a little kid and seeing grown ups
and adults um speaking in tongues and they would
just run up and down the aisle and just you know
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and I'm just
like a little kid and I'm just like I just I
question that a lot and I just didn't think that
that was real language I didn't I didn't feel I
didn't not that I didn't feel that it was possible
but I just didn't feel that that someone could do
that but I just didn't feel like at that moment
that that wasn't really what was going on it was
more of a show than anything else And so that's
hard because you're a little kid and you're
questioning adults and you really can't say
anything to anybody about it There's no one to talk
to about that You can't say anything to the
preacher of your parents So that was one of the
first moment that I realized something was wrong
and and then my dad asked me all the time what I
want to be when I grew up and I just like I don't
want to be like y'all at all so I want to um I knew
there was something to figure out and I had all
these things that I knew I didn't want to be you
know I don't want to be a police officer
firefighter I think those are great things but it
wasn't my mission it wasn't what I was here to do
and I spent the most part of my life trying to
figure that out Um but yeah we grew up Pentecostal
So we went to church every sunday sunday night
Wednesdays and went to bible church a few times Um
and there were people that came and did events and
things and and and teachings that I really enjoyed
and I felt like even in sunday school that I was in
those books I was in the stories you know when they
were talking about David and Goliath and you know
moses and I would always have a great imagination
where I would imagine being there with them and I
could feel the dirt and the sun and you know
walking around and the energy that was in that in
that area at the time And so I I felt very
connected to the bible Um so it's definitely
something that I've studied a lot I've read I've
read it you know especially the new testament I
went back and read it several times just to you
know um kind of get my own spin on things and what
are they really trying to say and convey because I
think there is a about king James version is a
version you know in certain words have been changed
and altered and some words have been left in so but
anyway I grew up christian and it was really tough
and the things that we were just told to believe
like just you know jesus is the only son of God and
you have to believe in him and and be saved and all
the things that I think um most people here as kids
and I was I was from the south So obviously it was
God fearing people you need to be afraid of God or
God will judge you will be angry towards you And so
there was a lot of fear wrapped around it and so I
think that was really tough and I really pushed
away as I got older more and more and more um two
really just researching things for myself Mm it's
interesting that I had somewhat of a parallel
experience that I grew up in a Pentecostal church
and I saw people speaking in tongues but I almost
like I didn't care about that part because I didn't
know what they were saying There was a part of me
that's like why don't they just record that and
scientifically and analyze it or something like
that So there was a scientist in me that was always
dissatisfied Why isn't the church analyzing these
recordings better But but what so amazed me was
when somebody would interpret the tongues and it's
like wow this person is saying something amazing
that I've never heard the pastor say anything like
that before And so so that puts some some seed deep
in my consciousness that there's something very
real going on there and in my mind you know
eventually it became synonymous with channeling
that you're channeling the Holy spirit This is a
process of tapping into something much deeper but
it's not it's become out of fashion in the in the
christian church more and more even in the
Pentecostal Churches I think to allow that kind of
thing to be seen as non demonic it seems like
everything that looks slightly out of out of what
you would normally expect in your own life seems to
be called demonic more and more by the christian
church Everything is Yeah Yeah it's interesting too
because a lot of those stories when I talk about
speaking in tongues I feel like it's referring to
the fact that these really um above average humans
were speaking in their own tongues you know their
own language and other people heard what they said
in their own language because back then you got
greek and Aramaic and everybody's you know a lot of
people who are speaking different languages and
they can't speak greek or they can't speak this and
so I think I think what a lot of it is referring to
is the fact that someone could speak and even
though you didn't speak the same language you could
hear the message in your own in your brain as if
they were speaking your language and I think that
was really what they're referring to Yeah a lot of
time as far as speaking in tongues goes and that I
do 100% believe in Yeah Um so I want to eventually
get to this story that you should share with me
recently about having a proud experience with jesus
do you feel there was anything that led up to that
or was there any significant periods in your life
where you had a fresh awakening to what jesus
represented and who jesus was for you Mm wow Okay
so are you talking about the experience that the
healing the guy with cancer or whatever you felt
was coming to you Okay Um so yeah that yeah that's
a big story So so basically in 2007 I graduated
from college and you know I had this degree and I
was supposed to go you know make my own way in the
world and I felt like I didn't have any real
information any real skills to go out there and do
you know be this person to have this job and I just
I felt like the the huge um things that people
didn't talk about what happens when people die how
do you deal with that Um you know um how to work
through things in life you know stress and pain and
agony and those kind of things and I didn't and I
didn't know you know I'm a psychology major So that
was why I stuck with that because the first thing
they said was jealousy is something you project on
someone else because you think they'll do the same
thing you do and I was like this is my major right
here that's the first time I've heard anything any
teacher ever say anything of value to me that you
know like of course you know one plus one is two
and that's helpful but you know that was one thing
that really like stuck with me was like this is
something I'm gonna stick with So I've um he
basically said that jealousy was the projection of
your thoughts on to someone else so you know
relationship with someone and you're jealous that
they're going out and hanging out with other people
it's because you think they would do what you would
do so if they would if you would cheat in that
circumstances you think they would and so you're
really jealous you know And so that was I was like
okay all right I can feel that I'm not saying that
that doesn't happen to me and I'm I'm you know
willing to admit that I felt that way and that's
probably why you know so that's why I said okay
psychology is my is gonna be my major that's what
I'm going to study and along with many other things
but that was that was what I what I graduated in Um
So after that moment at 2007 I remember you know I
remember watching Nostradamus and reading books
about things that was always kind of kept to myself
I never said anything about that stuff to anybody
else I remember being in my fraternity house
watching Nostradamus like 2000 and on tv and just
like locking the doors and being like I don't want
anybody to walk in on this I could do anything in
this room I wanted to but I felt the judgment would
come if I'm watching Nostradamus on tv but I was
extremely extract attracted to it his prophecies
and you know that he had this intuition that was
beyond everybody else and I was like how do I get
that I want that too I was like I know it's got to
be possible So when I graduated I just I basically
just looked up the universe and said all I know is
I don't know anything I don't know anything and I'd
grown up christian my whole life and I resonate
with christ and the people know stories and I think
there's a lot of truth to that but I think somehow
it's just a little bit you know watered down you
know and then manipulated just a tiny bit somehow
and I'll be honest and I have to go read some other
books and learn about some other saints and mystics
and if crisis if crisis the one and then I'll find
it for myself there'd be no denying that I'm
totally open to that but if buddha has some
validity to him or krishna or Allah then you know
like I'm open to it you know so I just and I
basically said it to the universe as I'm saying it
to you right now like with all the intention in the
world that this was what I was going to do with my
life and it was not to tell anybody it was not to
override you know the old programs were telling my
parents about it was just strictly for me to learn
into because I felt like I was empty I felt like I
was poor and spirit and there's there's more to it
and I need those answers So as soon as I did that
it was almost like the universe started leaving
little breadcrumbs So the first thing I did was I
started reading the Bible from page one you know
and I started reading genesis and you know about
Adam and eve and and then going through the moses
and numbers and Deuteronomy and and and just going
through and like I said again using that
imagination I felt like I was there and just being
around there and listen to them and watching him
and you know what does he look like what does he
feel like You know and so I just kept reading and
reading and reading and um I read the new testament
is where it really was for me like it to here Um
the teachings of christ were incredibly important I
mean especially if christ is the end all be all of
deities and the bible is the only word of God I
mean what's the most important thing in there and
that's the words written and read you know the
things that he spoke the parables that he said what
did they mean So that's where I really got um I
really got into it and I started to dig in so after
I started reading these things I that intuition
that we were talking about earlier one day I had
this incredible intuition that was just like as you
talking in the back of my head and it said now read
an alchemy book and I was like oh okay alright this
never happened but I'll read now if we book that
sounds you know something I could get a hold of and
and figure out I don't know much about it this was
you know probably 2007 so I'm I'm gonna check it
out and read it and and sure as I did I was in just
a couple of chapters and and then I heard the voice
again saying now go back and read the bible I just
read three or four chapters probably you know and I
was like well I thought you said to read this
alchemy book you know and it was just like kind of
back and forth and I mean and I'm like am I a
little bit crazy here but I'm hearing this voice
but it's saying do these things and so I did I was
like alright fine just kept saying it do it do it
do it do it do it do it it was really loud and it
was definitely the same voice telling you to read
the alchemy book that was telling you to read the
bible it was just like this just totally you can
hear it I don't think it was audible like if
somebody else was in the room wouldn't hurt but I
could hear it in my head no doubt about it It was
just that intuition and so I was like all right and
so it just do it do it do it do it do it And
finally I opened up to the middle somewhere because
you know that was a big buck I didn't know where to
start but I'm trying to follow this thing and it's
it's really kind of magical and it's you know like
I feel like I'm on to something and the university
gave me a little bit of brain crumbs here and there
and so I just opened up the book and I start
reading and I found in that same exact page and
then just reading the first couple of sentences
there was the the builders that the stone that the
builders rejected and it was like in quotation
marks separated by space and then there's the
sentence and those are exactly almost word for word
sentences that high um saw an alchemy book and so
it was just like what is alchemy in the bible you
know what I mean So I'm blown away all of a sudden
just like everything just like wow why are these
things these things shouldn't be in the same same
book and they're in the same realm and then as I'm
like mind blowing I could just feel unconditional
love just like coming in and it felt like I didn't
see anything but for me it just felt like all of a
sudden angels surrounded me and they were just like
looking at me like go Jacob you know and they were
just like clapping and he's getting it he's
figuring it all out and I just like balled out
crying I just felt this unconditional love that
I've never felt before come into my body and just
take me over Um I think that's what people call the
holy spirit or whatever you wanna call it But to me
it was a very you know incredible moment where I
was overtaken with emotion and feelings and crying
in the room by myself and I felt like I was with
you know a bunch of other people ancestors or
angels or whatever I don't know but at that moment
I decided that I would just continue with whatever
the intuition said I would continue with this
journey that I was on the right page I was on the
right path to getting there getting something
whatever it was I don't know but obviously the by
one outcome here really important So let's let's
stop there for a second and talk about that that
that line specifically I've actually been strongly
drawn to the wine not knowing it was part of
alchemy stone The builders rejected Yeah yeah sorry
I couldn't hear a word for it but yeah yeah so
that's that's kind of like a philosophy that you
can apply into a lot of areas like like what are
people actually missing and why are they missing
that That part of the of the importance of the
foundation of the structure What do you think the
cornerstone is Well it depends what we're talking
about I guess what I'm curious what was your
interpretation when you first saw that my first
invitations I had no idea really I had no idea and
I just I just knew that it was something and it was
something big Um you know but with with these
metaphysics there's multiple meanings on multiple
levels But my my interpretation now that I'm that I
feel like is the most secret you know deepest one
that I can get to is that the the pineal gland that
it's like a stone or you know it's kind of like
pulling the sword from the stone the sky from the I
that that that is the cornerstone of spirituality
that that people have rejected that that is that
intuition that it since that is the kingdom of
heaven is within you that that's what that is um
that's mostly what I think of it especially since
it's alchemy to and alchemy is not just making base
metals into gold but it's turning your body into
this golden state of spiritual spiritual ness or
whatever you know So being holy Yeah apartment
feels like our entire personalities are based on
like layers and layers were building up our
personality we're building up our ego our emotions
based on some some foundation that we don't always
root in the right the right way So for me like the
cornerstone could be jesus it could be humility It
seems like these principles are kind of um all a
part of what I see is the foundation of of a
spiritual path to humble yourself to the to the
core the core of what it is that you want and who
you think you are and cutting away everything else
and getting getting to that that that that basis
that the builders seem to reject the builders of
religion the builders of every system We're trying
to create something to to glorify themselves very
often and it's like a process of just recognizing
what actually is the foundation Yes and I totally
agree with that because I've come back conclusion
as well as I said it has multiple levels of
meanings I believe but definitely what I thought
was that people that were building things and and
buildings and places and stuff we're missing out on
um sometimes the spiritual aspects of life as well
that they were rejecting that So um you know and
and that could be you know masons or who knows
whatever else but I think that they're just talking
about you know people who are building things as
opposed to these kind of magical wizardly people
who just kind of lived on the planet and they
didn't seem to have a home or temple to worship in
like the earth was their temple and you know and
their body was the temple and um and they just seem
to kind of wonder you know people like Marilyn and
christ and buddha and stuff they didn't seem to
reside any one place So I feel like when we build
up in these homes and everything we kind of forget
that you know where these wild animals to at some
point you know and that we can just travel the
world and we don't need the things that we need
sometimes So yeah it's a it's a it's a it's a good
topic and it's one that you know it's I don't think
anybody is really too wrong about it cause there's
a lot of things that it definitely points to and I
think that's one of the you know christ said the
kingdom of heaven is a mystery and I think that's
what's so incredible about learning about these
things because there's still things that I'm
learning that I just I'm still trying to understand
as much as possible and that's exciting because
it's not like this is what you have to do this is
it that's all you have to do for your spirituality
No there's a lot there's a lot this this is a
mystery and we have to dig in to take a good bite
of that and you know like feel it and being it and
live it So yeah yeah there's so many subjects we go
into we should get back to that story that leading
up to the experience that you had with Yeah so so
again just reading the books after that I you know
after the experience of the angels things and I was
just like it was on the right path So I just just
kept kept digging for stuff and I had acquired a
autoimmune disease myself and about the age of 19
or 20 something doctors kind of just you take aria
arctic area something like that and it's basically
just like your skin gets really itchy and um if you
scratch it for as well so if you just barely right
on yourself I can make my whole name like bubble up
It's it's um it was really awful and the only thing
I could take was like Benadryl to make myself feel
better and that makes you extremely tired you know
so going through school and everything taking that
stuff and it was really tough otherwise I'm itchy
or I'm tired So what do you do Um So I I just
wasn't satisfied with that Doctors said they can't
fix it they can only give you these pills to make
you feel better and we don't know how it happened
and we don't know how to get rid of it You may have
it forever it may go away at some point really
Don't know And I was like it just wasn't satisfied
with that There's gotta be more so that dis ease
really pushed me over the edge to being like okay
how you know am I responsible for this How can we
get to the bottom of it And I just started learning
about all kinds of things And one of the things
that I learned about was reiki energy healing that
people could put their hands on you or not even
touch you and he'll um certain aspects of the body
And so I was like I'm into that I'm not you know if
a doctor can't do anything why not At least try it
And so for me that was just okay I'm accepting that
I'm gonna go try So I went to a metaphysical place
they did they did healings on thursday nights and
um they just had a massage table and you know
everybody was there was asked to participate if you
wanted to put your hands on people and then you
know just do your own form of Ricky It was really a
loose kind of know nobody's wrong do what you wanna
do type of thing which is really cool but I think I
was one of the first people to go I was probably
the first person to go I remember being really
excited about yeah let's do it let's go So I got on
the table and they people put their hands on me
some people run their hands over me and you know I
know Ricky master but I have done a little bit of
research and I agree that the hands on healing that
christians talked about was this Ricky healing just
called by different names and so After I was done
you know 10 minutes or whatever on the table 15
minutes I got up and I sat down and I felt good
felt great you know I was like okay that was good
and I'm just gonna sit here and watch and just soak
the rest of this in and be in this energy and um
you know that's good As soon as I said that though
the voice in the back of the head was like now it's
your turn that's exactly what it said now it's your
turn and I knew that meant that I was supposed to
go get up put my hands on people and I was like I
didn't come here to give healings I came here to
get a healing not to give you know I'm the one
that's sick but it just kept saying you know it's
your turn it's your turn and it just like pushed me
and I was just like okay just you know I've done a
little research I knew what I was supposed to think
allow that energy to come through me that it wasn't
coming out of me was coming through me and to my
chakra system and out my hands and stuff so that's
what I'm doing I'm just putting my hands around
people and over people and kind of saying that
prayer feeling that energy imagining that light
coming through and it felt great you know it was
amazing I felt really a lot of gratitude to do it
and I felt like that I was that's part of the
mission I felt like that's what I came here to do
was that that the sickness to get sick um to get
better after getting sick That was part of it like
you had to be at ease now and you had to you had to
do reach out and do some different things So I
started doing it and this one guy started coming
his name was paul and he had I think four different
types of terminally ill cancer and it was sad you
know But this guy was actually the most positive
upbeat beautiful man I've ever met you know and
he's just like so full of life and I was just like
wow dude this guy has four different types of
cancer he probably will die but he's happy that
anybody ever met like that I just don't get it So I
made friends with paul and I talked to him and he
was just like the coolest guy ever and I just I
just couldn't get I couldn't I'm suffering so much
I'm you know I'm angry I'm sad I got all these
things going on but this guy is dying and he's so
happy So we became friends and he's coming every
week and just going around town I lived in Atlanta
and going around town I would see him at all the
metal physical shops all the healing sound healing
and reiki energy healing He was at all of course
you know the same thing like he said he's like I'm
gonna go do these things but of course he still
went to the doctor he still got the what's the
what's the stuff that they used to kill cancer That
radiation chemotherapy Yeah so he still did that So
he came in a couple of days a couple of times every
you know month where he would be looking real bad
Um he looked terrible and I think when he came in
on those days you know you wanted to do more you
wanted to you felt more compassion you felt more
love for him you know you wanted you wanted to cure
him you know or be the facilitator for which the
cure could come so I just felt like I was trying
harder and so one of the times that he came in you
know we're doing our thing and he's laying on the
table and there's seven or eight people at least on
the table just you know some somebody's got their
hands on his head and I'm just moving my hands
around his body you know trying to spend the
chakras are energy come through and going into him
and then like at this moment I just started to feel
that similar feeling of unconditional love right
It's coming in and starting to get strong and I'm
starting to like you know get a little weepy you
know and then as soon as that started happening it
was like this energy is coming up and it just
walked up and it stood right next to me and it was
christ it was like jesus christ you know what I
mean It was like no doubt about it didn't feel like
buddha didn't feel like krishna it felt like christ
and it felt like he was standing there looking at
me proud and all his unconditional love and all his
power and all his residence and everything and it
was just like overwhelming and like I just started
crying and I just started you know overwhelmingly
crying and so that went on for just a quick moment
and I this girl across me who's doing the same
thing she just all of a sudden goals either um she
just leaves the room and I think that I've I've
scared her you know I'm crying at the at the table
you know girl man and I feel like I kind of freaked
her out and she just runs out the door and as soon
as she runs out the door and I start feeling these
feelings it was almost like that's when he started
he turned towards me and just started walking up
and as he got closer and closer and closer and I
could just feel him so much more intensely um so
much more power so much more residents and just got
you know stronger stronger and stronger And then he
like walked into my body and I felt like that I had
jesus christ in my entire soul my entire body and
it was just like you know just like this incredible
sound bowl of just residents just like pyramid
eating through every cell and and every every part
of me And I felt unconditional love and I felt the
power and I felt that it wasn't something to um to
think that you had it was something that you knew
you had and it's something that you went around
with every day every second of every day It wasn't
that something that you had a church while you were
there it was a presence and an energy that you that
was with you all day long and then you could live
in the state like this was a powerful like and at
that moment those feelings of anger or resentment
or sadness I had none of them You know what I mean
You're resonating at this incredibly high frequency
of what was going through your mind So I mean
really just this is this is crazy almost you know
But I'm feeling all these feelings as if they're
they're not even mine you know it's almost like I
said again it's like I just felt this like that was
him and he came in and he was just sharing it with
me You know like I felt like to an extent I had to
be open like like most people are closed off like
that's what it felt like that I was an open bowl
and that because I said that the universe that day
I was like I don't care who's right who's wrong
what it is and what it ain't And I'm like I just
want to know the truth And I think that's what
christ christ said when he said you know seek the
truth You know what I mean The real organic raw
whether anybody believes it or don't believe the
truth will set you free That's what I was looking
for my whole life and here came and it walked right
into my body and I felt it and I felt like this is
like I said this is the power that you should walk
around all day It's not like a book It's not like a
religion It's it is a you know a feeling when
people talk about let christ into your heart That's
what I felt like It came into my heart my whole
body my whole being And then that's who I I knew
that I was supposed to be and this probably went on
for Man I would say 30 seconds to a minute max I
mean not in a very short time you know like just
but it felt like 1000 years you know felt like
you're getting downloaded with this incredible
information and I'm just bawling out crying and
eventually people just all right you know you know
and like he just he left he was gone And then they
grabbed me kind of sat me down in a chair who
grabbed you the leader of the of that metaphysical
group So how many people were there I mean paul was
on the table and then like I said seven or eight
people that were just standing up and then maybe a
couple of people who were sitting down so probably
10 to 15 max you know Um because there's probably
people waiting their turn to get on because some
people came and they didn't they didn't do the
healings you know what I mean paul didn't do the
healings He just came in and got him and other
people just came and got him you know And so we
just sat down in a chair and I'm like trying to
wipe all the tears away and just you know calmed
back down and like this experience has happened to
me like I've had similar experiences by myself but
that was probably the first one that was that like
that that was in front of other people so I'm a
little you know I want to say embarrassed or
anything but it was just like oh my gosh like I've
got explaining to do now and everything and so you
know when I finally like calm down paul got off to
him and he's like you know he was just like super
stoked and anxiety I mean he was like that was
incredible and so what did he feel He I mean he
just said he felt this incredible powerful presence
as well and that was you know a lot and he was just
I can't remember his exact words because I'm just
so you know so much going on myself but he
basically I remember him saying like that was
incredible it was amazing best feeling I've ever
had and you know he just felt so grateful and so
thankful and everything and and so after he gets
off and he says that everybody's like alright Jacob
like what happened I was like man you guys wouldn't
believe me if I told you so and I was hoping that
we would just end the end the story with that and
that we wouldn't have to go any farther because I
didn't really want to say like what happened
because it was hard to even put into words but I
was like no no no you're not getting out that easy
you have to tell us what happened So I was like
right so I'm standing there start to feel this
energy christ walks up he stands there and then at
some point he walked into my body and I lost it and
as soon as I said that that girl who left for the
bathroom when she left the room she comes back out
and she says um oh my God Jacob I felt the exact
same thing but it was too overwhelming for me and I
had to leave the room and that was like the
universe here's my breadcrumb here's my
confirmation that what you what you felt even
though I don't need it you don't need it at all But
it's it's great for the story because I get to tell
the story later on say somebody else said that they
felt that too besides paul you know some other
person doing the thing doing the reiki energy
healing and she said I couldn't I couldn't I
couldn't take it it was too much it's too
overwhelming So I guess she started to cry too and
she just she booked it and that was the one I said
just a little bit more open a little bit more
hungry and so I got it I got that healing so me
going to get healings I think that was the day that
a lot of things changed for me and to realize that
that crisis more than just a name or something you
read in a book but it was an energy that that we
can all feel and be and be like him you know be
like christ it's not just believe in the christ
like we need to be like that you know B B be loving
the un can be unconditional love and truth be
honest to be all the things that people talk about
but rarely ever just holding you and without
anybody you know trying to impress anybody or
anything else like you're doing it because you know
that's what you were called here debate to be this
incredibly powerful strong honest loving being um
not for any kind of money or any kind of um
acknowledgement because that's who you are So yeah
it was really incredible Um and then like I said I
told them all in there I was just like wow that's
cool it's kind of like that's really neat and yeah
it was just it was just that confirmation again
that I was going doing the right things that I was
supposed to do my intuition was telling me to go to
these places and I would go and have experiences
and so you know that was some I've had other other
um experiences with christ now but I would say that
was probably the most profound do we know what
happened with paul if he's doing So So paul he
ended up getting really sick and um he went to a
hospice and he couldn't he didn't really go walking
around or anything like that This is such a cool
story though I'm glad you said something that I
would have forgot Um So he went to hospice and he
was he was no longer really able to move or walk or
go any places but he was my friend And so that girl
who walked out she um we both talked to him like
we'd really like to go see paul at the hospice and
do healings on him still you know no matter what
And she's like all right let's go And so we went
and we did a couple of healings on him and you know
he kept getting sicker and sicker and sicker and we
both like he's probably not gonna make it and I was
like man it's so weird like I feel like this is
what I'm here supposed to be doing you know
supposed to heal paul you know that he's gonna be
okay And so there was a lot that was like troubling
about it that I was like I didn't you know I feel
like I was supposed to be here and supposed to help
paul And so anyways paul passes on he transitioned
and I felt like I was supposed to go to his funeral
and his funeral is that like a catholic church You
know he's like catholic guy he's going to spiritual
things So like he he grew up to be catholic and be
in that church and he goes every day But then as he
got sick is what his disease is what changed his
life to go and being metaphysical and learning new
ways and opening same as I did And so I went to his
funeral and it's funny because a group of you know
a small group of us went that were his metaphysical
friends and I remember you know I was crying and
stuff and it was you know it was a funeral that was
sad not like you know sometimes we go to today
where people are rejoicing that they were here and
they existed and and all that stuff it was a sad
funeral And then I remember sitting in like their
fellowship hall at the end with you know 11
metaphysical person that came with me and then
three or four people who were part of his catholic
church and we were all sitting together and we were
talking and we were talking about God and the other
side and all these things and I'm just like you
know what I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I
felt like I needed to and I was just talking about
paul and that you know um spiritual aspect of him
come and do the reiki healing and you could see
their faces like oh my God he was doing that kind
of stuff and I was like oh yeah it was awesome it
was great And then as I'm talking about this I felt
paul walk up paul walked up right behind me on the
right side on the same side of the christ walked on
me he walked up and he stood there and although I
didn't see him I just felt him and I felt this huge
smile on his face and I felt this like huge victory
that he had won that he had brought his catholic
people church just to to come to the metaphysical
world and that even though at this moment they may
not be like oh you're right you're so right with
this it's that moment of they cannot hear this you
know what I mean Like your religion or something
that keeps you inside doors there's gonna be
something that comes and knocks on the door one day
that wakes you up there's gonna be some person that
you can't can't hide from it you know and so he was
like he felt incredibly grateful and excited that
he he had brought these catholic people these
religious people to us and us to them to learn and
gain from each other and I felt that day I was like
now I know why we weren't supposed to help paul
paul's paul was there to heal us you know and I was
like wow I got to him and I was looking for you
know that was great because eventually with
feelings like that and then learning to eat better
and things it's been several years that I've had
any kind of breakouts with arctic area um I think
that that realizing that my emotions were
detrimental to that bot to my body and my thoughts
and my feelings and and just being open has really
changed my health a lot And so I don't I haven't
had a breakout like that in many years so I'm
really thankful But yeah the healing that I went to
go that went to go get I got and paul healed me
that I could have killed paul I think that's how it
goes sometimes Yeah this is this is really
interesting how this ties into everything because
it's like ultimately what we're trying to do and
talking about these subjects is to try to help heal
the divide That's it's kind of been created between
different spiritual communities and it's it's been
very challenging for me I've been going to
christian church all my life I've been going to I
like the assemblies of God church I grew up in the
assemblies of God and I've been enjoying that
experience but I've had you know as I learned more
things I recognize you know there's no one who has
these uh these fundamentalist christian beliefs who
has any awareness of so many different subjects
that are now being called New Age and metaphysical
but in my mind it's kind of like it's it's almost
like we have the true spirituality that's being
uncovered by people who who investigate really
deeply into into into a manner of subjects and and
and then we have what feels like a kind of a dead
church Now there's there's certainly parts of the
christian church which are are strongly pursuing
jesus and strongly finding unconditional love and
and and and touching touching that aspect of jesus
of the holy spirit basically but it also seems like
there's a there's a structure around Christianity
which is kind of self supporting and it's like it's
like a kind of pharisee system where people are
recognizing the rules trying to follow the rules
and making the rules the point of it and missing
you know the real relationship aspect of it which
leads to you know miraculous life yes and all like
altering experiences like you can't can't deny and
um I think that's really true and one of the things
that christ was work for the food that your
heavenly father provides not the food that spoils
and I think that is a part two while that the
faster the faster than many other spiritual people
talk about fasting and stay hungry you know stay
hungry in life and information spirituality is
something to be hungry for just as much as food but
if you're full and you're sitting on the couch all
day and you don't you're not hungry for life you're
not hungry for the spiritual you're not hungry for
the truth like it is like it is like a really um
needed like feeling or experience to have to to be
hungry for the truth and I feel like that is what
draws the experience and it's not just saying that
I asked christ with words to come into my heart you
know and that he's there and I'm and then because
of that I'm okay like it is something that is a big
deal it takes a lot it takes a lot of feeling takes
a lot of emotion it takes a lot of intention to
look out to the universe and and say I really need
this to come in and happen and I'm open to however
it comes and it may look a little different then I
may think it might happen So I think to be hungry
like that to really want it like you have to say it
and talk to God or the universe as if it's you like
you're sitting here right now like I had full
intention that's what I was gonna do I was going to
find out some kind of truth and I was okay if God
didn't exist or atheism was right or you know
buddha was right or crisis right I was totally fine
with any of those things And I think you have to
get to that point where I'm open to whatever the
truth is and that that's dangerous because you know
he said the truth doesn't need anybody to believe
in it for it to be truth you know and that's the
kind of thing I think he's talking about to be set
free and I do feel you know free from although I
really subscribe and I consider myself to be
christian or jewish or even atheists in some ways
because I don't believe that God is you know an old
white man with a white beard and long white hair on
a cloud judging people I believe it's the entirety
of all of that Everything all of us you know it's
everywhere I'm the present only opponent no matter
where you look no matter where you go it's there
it's in every single person it's in the air it's in
the water it's and everything Um when moses and
he's talking to the burning bush and it says who
should I say sent me to go bring my people you know
it didn't give a name and says I am that I am
that's the name of God and that was so powerful
that people it was against the law for people to
say it because if you go around thinking it and you
walk around town saying I am that I am I am that I
am and you and you start to try to resonate with
what that sentence is saying and you realize oh my
God eventually you'll just I think you come to the
conclusion that God saying I'm all of that is that
there is there's nothing that I'm not you know
treat every person treat every situation everything
is sacred everything is like God And that's
something that we should take seriously when you
had that experience of being with jesus is that the
mindset you were in seeing the sacred I mean the
mindset I was in was just I was really
unconditionally loving paul so much that everything
else about my own problems and everything were gone
That I was just focused in that moment at that time
like I was really you know believing as much as I
possibly could that you know he was gonna get up
off the table and there was no cancer you know what
I mean Like I feel like that was I was in that was
as close as I could get to being in that zone on
being there You also described that this is a state
you felt like anybody could be in at any time if
they wanted to and what do you think that would be
like for people to get to that state if everybody
was walking around like that I mean I think the
world would be a lot less judgment a beautiful
place you know a garden of Eden a place where we
recognize each other's sacredness and sovereignty
where we didn't impose our beliefs of religion or
ideas of spirituality on people and let people be
who they are Um one thing that I resonate with that
christ said when when they were you know trying to
and he's sitting in front of everybody and they're
trying to ask him like you know who are you really
you know like who are you Because you know if you
don't give us a good answer probably gonna kill you
you know and he's like I am whatever you say I am
you know and I was like man he could have said
anything you wanted to right there at that moment
he says he says I am what you say I just I say
those words over and over again and I realized and
he gave them permission for him to be whatever it
is they want him to be and really that's so freeing
like like no like what I see in you when someone
else sees in you can be completely different but
what they see in you is based on who they are and
when I see you based on who I am and my perception
of you and I think because some people didn't see
him as this messiah beautiful incredible you know
loving some people saw him as doing miracles on
sunday that's against law and you know like you're
doing weird things and maybe you're into some dark
magic because you're healing people and making
people see like and some people were very afraid of
him So it is really what you think it is you know
but I do think if all of us were in this are many
of us I I think it would take a small number
actually probably 100 and 44,000 maybe of people
resonating in that christ energy or buddha nature
or christian spirit that we could stand around the
walls of the pentagon in Washington D C And either
humbler ram's horns but do some kind of sound
technology and those would those walls and those um
institutions would fall to the ground and we would
build up again a new world where free energy and
there'd be no lack and people would have the things
that they need I think that's what the scripture of
every religion really kind of states is that you
know it's something that we can all state that we
can all reach Um christ said the Kingdom of Heaven
was is within you you know and I think that's super
important because it's not some place to die to go
after the kingdom of Heaven is within me and I have
to learn to know myself in order to find it out you
know one of the things that Matthew says those who
sat in darkness saw great light and what are you
doing if you're sitting in darkness you're
meditating and I feel like I've had a lot of great
meditations just sitting by myself in the dark
concentrating on relinquishing myself of being
Jacob fox being a male being white being a person
from a small town and then just um kind of took
something Albert Einstein when he said he was
riding these waves where he came up with the theory
relativity and stuff and so I listened to Selvaggio
tones and I was pretending like I was these tones
and I became like everything that was in the
universe and I realized that's you know that was an
experiential experience you know to realize that I
was not separate from the university I wasn't just
in it but I was in motion to you know and I think
that was super powerful going back just a little
bit I think it's it's it's very interesting that
you know there's so much about the new testament
show showing us that people were they were not
expecting the messiah to be what Jesus ended up
being they were expecting someone to reshape the
institutions and that we're gonna we're gonna have
a new kingdom through these new institutions that
jesus is going to set up for us the messiah and
then jesus is just completely loving and then he's
put on the cross and and there I'm sure that you
know the disciples are all like what the heck how
could this possibly be what what we were looking
for But what he demonstrated with with his entire
selfless incarnation was that ultimately that's
that's the power that we need to tap into is
ultimately that selflessness and that's what will
really change the world and it's not just it's a
miraculous thing it's always a miraculous thing and
you don't have to you know go through all the
conventional systems in order to arrive at a
miraculous future You just you just tap into that
state heaven within and then eventually as we
continue to focus within we manifest the entire um
new words spoken of in revelation Yeah and I mean
like you said before it's here now and it's what
you experience you know it's your own individual
experience I think eventually we'll have some
things are gonna happen it's gonna be a collective
experience but um I do think that yeah I mean he
said there's nothing that I'm doing that you can't
do you know there's nothing that I'm doing that you
can't do you just have to believe and have that
faith of a mustard seed mustard seed is obviously
this tiny little seed that grows in this huge big
tree and everything that it's in that it's in that
seed to become that tree already you know and
everything that's in us to become these incredible
like it's already in us you know it's not like we
even have to do anything to me mostly it's just
removing the barriers of condition and programming
that says you're not good enough you're not smart
enough you're not pretty enough you're not this
you're not that and just let them go And I think
part of part of understanding crisis really is he
came to destroy to you know you can't that is his
creator but it's also partly destruction as well
and he did kind of you know it does say that he ran
around tables chasing people with whips and you
know that's embarrassing is that they were wrong
and uh I do believe that part of it is destruction
it is bringing the old system down and building a
new like we see that happen with forest burned down
every day and not every day but often they give
life to the new growth to come back in And is that
death wrong Is evil Is it bad It just is you know
and and it gives you know birth to the new stuff to
come in and so ages come and go and civilizations
come and go and ideas come and go you know just
like they have life cycles like the person or a
planet or a star does you know and I think that's
okay and sometimes I think we do forget that he was
you know a tough guy in some way and you know he
said when he comes back he come with a sort of
truth you know and some people really weren't gonna
like that and I feel like that is what's happening
cause some people are so dug in to their idea of
what christ is and what it looks like and how it's
supposed to be that they're not open to that
experience because I always knew as a kid when even
though people said oh I just in my heart I'm saved
and everything and then I would be with him later
on in that week or something because these people
usually that I was related to and hung out with my
family and then they would be completely racist or
stereotypical towards others and I was just like I
thought you said you had this and you how could you
be like that if you were if you actually have it in
you So again even as time recognizing that that was
just just because you said it doesn't make it true
that it is this organic really you know incredible
experience which is great That's better to me
because I want I want something that's real that I
can feel and I can talk to him sorry about you know
Yeah there's so much we can talk about with
christian programming Um people are taught that
salvation is mostly in american evangelical
christian circles it's like once you're saved
you're always saved I think that's been the most
prominent philosophy although some people are in
christian church are fighting over that over that
dogma Um and that certainly that the bible clearly
says jesus was clearly teaching unless you forgive
others you are not forgiven and everyone has the
experience that that's totally something we're
always working on is forgiving others And
increasingly in that sense as we open up to love
for others that that love becomes more and more of
of our reality and we find that kingdom of heaven
more and more within us It's not just a light
switch you flip on right don't you feel like when
you finally forgive especially yourself that's the
hardest person to forgive But when you forgive
others like there's this release Sometimes I know
one time I was doing yoga when I'm first getting
into it and I did that back then you know we're
turning around and I felt this euphoric release
where I kept my grudges where I literally kept my
grudges on my back and I felt it released and just
kind of go out of the body and so you don't need it
anymore but you've held onto it and this is causing
back problems and physical pain by something that
was you know in mentally or emotionally that you've
done you just didn't deal with it you just mad at
people you didn't forgive them You hold onto it and
holding on to it I literally had my physical body
and it had a you know detrimental um experiences
because you know I sent my back hurt and things
like that so you know to realize that you know
there is a lot more to this thing than just some
words on the paper and reading it out and knowing
the scripture that there's some there's some real
there's some real meat in there to take a bite of
that that that most people never really want to be
open to an experience I want to briefly touch on
the subject of authority around scripture and
things like that before before I would probably
conclude on talking about more experiences you've
had with jesus and maybe I could go into some of my
own um but so when I first started learning about
it was the disclosure project which kind of broke
down all the walls around my brain that I was I was
so arrogant in my beliefs around Christianity that
that I was so so correct in in in the in my
interpretations of the bible um I needed something
just completely out of left field to kind of make
me question maybe I actually have to research more
and think a little bit more about things and that
was the Ufo subject but for me ultimately what I
needed to um awakened to was that I had a deep deep
fear that if I let go of my my christian community
if I let go of my belief in the um the inerrancy of
scripture as it's been taught to me then then I
would somehow be um broken and I would be you know
fallen away from from jesus And ultimately what had
happened to me was I had to eventually um
Investigate Steven Greer's ce five protocols go out
under the stars just just alone meditate and pray
And eventually I recognize that profound moments of
unconditional love and forgiveness that were
happening to me while I was sitting under the stars
would then be followed up by lights in the sky They
were confirming that and and as I as I have these
experiences more and more I would question about
jesus and whenever I brought up jesus the lights in
the sky would flash at me and emphasize we love
jesus we love jesus so much you want to keep
following jesus this is what we want Yeah and so
that was that was very profound for me that kind of
helped anchor anchor me more and more in
recognizing jesus is always the right path for for
opening your heart and recognizing what will unite
us and not divide us anymore Getting back to jesus
Um but ultimately that fear that I had around
giving up the bible on some sense not that I didn't
appreciate the bible but it was almost like I
needed a process of recognizing the nature of the
holy spirit leading me into the correct
interpretations of scripture as the bible says the
spirit of truth jesus comes as the spirit of truth
and leads us into all truth through through
ultimately what we can recognize is the fruits of
the spirit love joy peace patience kindness And a
lot of times we don't always get that out of
religion People don't seem to be radiating love joy
peace patience kindness So ultimately I think
authority it can't it can't come from something
that isn't yielding the fruits of the spirit has to
come from God and God is represented by these by
his nature Yeah I totally agree because I mean just
the fact that someone has gone to a christian
school or college or whatever and now you have the
authority to read the book and be a preacher or
whatever I just you know I don't agree with that
because obviously christ didn't have any kind of
title like that He was a carpenter's son and but he
could heal people So to me like you don't need to
have a title You don't I mean I think that's one of
the reasons why we call them doctors and not
healers they have a title to be a doctor to
prescribe pharmaceutical drugs to um I live in that
realm of a doctor but not a healer and to me you
know if someone is healing whether they have a
degree or certificate or whatever but your results
say that you know I cure someone's carrier or a lot
of immune disease or I made the blind see then you
know that's the authority that that I believe in I
trust him because I've seen you do something as
opposed to like said this doctor mentality where
everybody is just you know uh and those schools and
colleges are funded by pharmaceutical drugs anyway
which is why they're so inundated with you know
taking pills to get better But you know a lot of
times you see that the a sugar pill you know can
make someone feel better even though they're sick
So a lot of that is our on thinking And I think one
of the things that when christ did help people as
he um he said to them you know do you know who I am
and what has he what have you learned from these
things So there are definitely reasons to have
disease and to be sick And I think when we get off
our spiritual path when we hold onto grudges when
we are not well emotionally mentally they can
transform into physical problems for ourselves And
we have to dig deep in order to find out what is it
that I've done that I'm responsible for to learn
how to heal myself But even even he could not heal
people in his own hometown no matter what it was
pretty much because they all knew him as a kid You
know he he didn't have this magic about him He was
just regular Ole Joshua you know been her from from
from his town and and nobody you know nobody
believed it So it was our it is our belief you know
that cures us that you know one of the girls that
he held came up and shoved on his coat and they
said thank you for telling me it wasn't me that
held you It was your faith that held you But if you
keep sending worse things will happen to you Keep
thinking negative thoughts You keep being angry and
mean and you know like there's more negative things
will happen to you Um and so I realized that man
our faith that placebo effect of believing in
something no matter what modality surgical or pill
or holistic If you believe in one more than another
definitely is gonna be the best one for you to take
on to use And it's very interesting how in order to
believe in something you have to work through all
of the programming around not believing it And so
ultimately a lot of our problems stem from the
things that we've been taught the things that we
just assumed that we never properly questioned and
allowed ourselves to be more open around And once
we once we can take back kind of our own power of
belief We recognize that this is this is actually
more about free will We're taking back our free
will and once we have free will we actually are um
you know creating out of love is love is the is the
is the energy That's not that's not infringed upon
by others Energy That's open and always always
freely giving without that that that that tendency
to try to put boxes on things to give people free
will you know that's the greatest of um I had an
experience one time where I was on Tybee Island in
uh outside of savannah Georgia and I just felt like
the need to say a prayer to the universe to God And
I just looked at the ocean and I said you know what
I'm just feeling great today I'm thankful I'm I
have so much grad tomorrow just to be here and to
be on this mission I've had a lot of things happen
to me so far It's like if there's anything that you
got for me today I'm open to it And you know I said
that prayer and then and then walked away and met
up with my family and we're eating lunch and it
again felt like it was usually on the right side
Always um paris walked up and tapped me on the
shoulder and as I turned around it was like he just
gave me the whole prodigal son parable download
just like that Like I just knew exactly what it
meant and it was really incredible because it was
like again that feeling of uh I'm open to this
thing so that can happen and here it is happening
in front of my family now And I'm like oh my gosh
and my parents are like you know what just happened
And again I'm like God I don't believe if I told
you so you were visibly shaken and your parents
noticed So so what exactly happened You felt
christ's presence Yeah I felt like you just walked
up behind me not into me like that one but just
next to me you know close It was very moving Yeah
And it was just like the unconditional love the
power It was just like that's who it was as if you
didn't need to see it that it was just a feeling of
that's who that person is there's no doubt about it
And he stood there and you like tapped me on the
shoulder and I turned around as I turned it was
just like it was just like everything just
downloaded it in what the Prodigal son was And I
told them you know I was like oh wow You know I was
just like you know I had this something happened
and my parents were like what happened I was like
you wouldn't believe me if I told you they're like
let's go and try and you know and I told him I was
like he just walked up and told the parable
products and then I spit it out to him what it was
and what it meant And basically the big part idea
is that you know that you have this father with two
sons and one son goes out and he wants all his
money and he goes out and he squanders it all and
you know he does all the bad things are you know
and eventually come he comes to the conclusion that
his his dad's slaves or whatever have have have a
better life than he does at this point He has no
more money So he has to go back and he says when he
gets to the fence and dad sees him he just runs
down there and puts his arms around and loves him
and doesn't ask him you know where's the money at
where you've been what you've been doing He just
comes over there and and loves him and says kill
the fatted calf and the father is God you know it's
unconditional love that all of us we go out from
this light go out from this peace and harmony to go
out to the artist into the world and and to face it
and to um be with it and realize that you know it's
experience it's okay but God's always there waiting
for us to come back and realize like um that God's
unconditional love and I think that the brother
represented at least to me that because he didn't
go out he didn't understand that He didn't
understand the the leaving the safe zone leaving
the light to go because you know being in the yank
the darkness and light you need both you both
experiences So um he's jealous and he's angry he
doesn't get it And I think that's important like
maybe where all these souls you know come out from
the light and we all have to make that decision at
some point Like all right now's the time Now's the
time to go now is the time to to go off on our
journey and our adventure and leave and realize and
come back and that we're always loved were always
you know cared for and and and all those things and
so it just made me realize that you know man God is
unconditional love and and it's not anything else
other than that and that's what those feelings
meant and that's what experiences are and that's
why you can be in that energy all the time But how
many of us really you know really are
unconditionally loving towards others and it is
it's a duty you know christ the biggest family they
said is love everyone Like I loved you and then
they'll know your motorcycles you don't have to
call yourself christian or this but like when you
when people see you walking around loving being
caring caring about people you know letting people
be themselves and have their own free will not
imposing on them but just helping and being there
being that person dude and you're lit up They know
it man you don't you don't have to convince anybody
of it and I think that's so important that we we
are it you know we don't have to like go out and
like say oh I'm a christian on this and I was like
did you just go out there and live your life and be
the best you you can be and you will be a force to
reckon with you know you will be you know just
permeating out love and you know and and honesty
and truth and wisdom and people who see that man I
want whatever you got I need some of that You know
one of the things that I really I've been thinking
about lately about the prodigal son parable um is
like we can still have a model of what we what the
christians would think of as salvation demonstrated
by this parable because the the particle son is
squandering the money and it feels completely
hopeless completely lost But it's it's the it's the
decision that the particle son makes to return It's
just a simple choice that I'm going to go back to
to to love even though you may not believe it that
part of the sun didn't believe that his father
would be his loving he was afraid still that there
was some kind of judgment to be had for him Yeah
But it's like we can release the belief in that
judgment at any point we want but it's the choice
to return that is the signal that we've chosen to
have faith that the release of judgment will lead
to this this greater state of love Yeah Yeah And
that no matter what we've done you know there's
nothing that's unforgivable or there's nothing that
you know like that can't be you know we relinquish
and let go of and you know I guess ultimately have
to forgive ourselves to start on that journey
because he had to make that decision He's like I
have to you know these people are they're gonna
treat you even better than me and I can't live my
life like this anymore I'm just also gonna just be
humble and you know and override my own ego because
your ego would say oh never going back to that You
know you know they'll look down on me they'll
they'll judge me for the things I've done I just
wanted all the money but I think a part of that too
is is is relinquishing that attachment to the ego
like you said just I'm gonna go back to love man
that was way better feeling that was a way better
way of living and yeah and I feel like all of us
truly are the particle sons and we've all gone away
and out to our own world and that's why it's
honestly a lot of times better to get lost you know
better to get really really lost christ has better
be hot or cold and lukewarm and to me that's just
an extreme have an extreme life be homeless be this
be that you know go out and find that you know you
can be a millionaire and realize that you're still
lacking in spirituality and love and you know and
so you know there's a lot of things that you're
still missing So whatever you're gonna do go out
there and do it up you know like no judgment
whatever you need So I think that's incredibly
important to um that I realized that there was no
there's no amount of things that I've done wrong or
bad that I need to worry about at the end of the
day Like you know if I can forgive myself and go
back to being that loving being that I was you know
that that's where I'll find the peace and that's
where I'll find the harmony and you know the magic
again So being like a little kid I think this is a
great place to wrap it up here Cool Yeah Um any
other things you'd like to share that was good I
enjoyed that a lot I appreciate a lot mike I hope
you enjoyed it to you guys Yeah for sure Thank you
guys so much Thanks