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I'm excited to have a chat with you guys again,
and sorry it's been so long,
and I feel like inevitably we end up talking about some
of the deepest subjects of metaphysics
and spirituality without having that much of an agenda.
But for our starting point on this discussion,
I thought it'd be great fun to talk about the subject
of synchronicity and miracles,
because it seems like the more I learn,
the more I appreciate
that these two concepts are either the same thing,
or at least, at least very, very linked along the,
the nature of the laws of manifestation
and are, are reality.
And, you know, we, we could actually just start
with a high level overview.
It's like, why do things even happen around us?
Why, why are things unfolding at all?
And, you know, there's the, there's the physics theories
that, uh, and of course,
physics theories break down once you go
really tiny into quantum physics.
And it's like, oops, metaphysics seems
to be interrelated with quantum physics.
But it's, it's, it's hard for, uh, physicists even to
pin down what that relationship has to be based on the, a, a
very bizarre language that different, uh,
quantum physicists may be using to try to justify
what would appear to be a randomness
or probability in the unfolding of the universe.
And you really can't get around, um, either
meaning based on metaphysics
or apparent randomness that has no meaning
as being more foundational to why things unfold.
Um, I was thinking one example.
We could say, we know that the, the sun is
the source of the heating of the seasons,
and we know that as it gets colder
because the earth is on a different side of the sun,
we're gonna have some differences.
And this is not caused by everyone collectively agreeing.
I think I want it to be, I need it to be cold outside
because I'm just attracting that energy
of coldness in my life right now.
Uh, we don't, we don't usually talk about seasons that way.
We try to kind of have some trust that,
that there's some degree of order
and structuring to the, the hierarchy of the lessons
that we're being placed in,
that we're being dumped in a colder room in wintertime
to all go through the cold lesson a little bit more.
And for that part of the world,
we can easily just move, I suppose.
But, um, at, at this point in time, at least, it seems
that the wind is pushing around air in a random pattern.
So you don't really know if it's gonna be hot
or cold on a day like today.
Uh, and the weather, people can't ever get it right.
So there's a certain randomness there, but,
and of course, people have speculations about the degree
to which the, um, the weather is caused by the thoughts
of the people in the region
that are experiencing that weather.
And sometimes if you look at the weather map,
you'll notice there's conspicuous lines of cloud formations
around where there's populated areas.
If you pay enough attention. I think that that's something
that you can almost be analyzed statistically.
I think people should be trying that more.
Um, but anyway,
I'm talking about right now the why do things happen.
What percentage of this is physically related
and what percentage of this is metaphysically
or spiritually connected, why things are unfolding?
I think it's kind of layered, like ki kind
of like a, like a, like a fractal layer almost, right?
So as in the sun and the seasons
and all, all of that, I is there,
there is some kind of consensus on a deeper level
because, um, our solar system I is, uh,
uh, kind of like a living being almost kinda like
what they're talking in the law of one.
It's kind of like a, like a being.
And in those beings, in, in that system have a consensus of
how things could be.
But then it fractals down to like, say, uh, uh,
the world to each country, to each town,
to each city, to each per person.
Like, I remember when I was in, uh, Sedona, it, it, the,
they had some like gnarly, uh, atmospheric, um,
cloud, um, phenomenon that seemed to be manmade.
YouTube friendly, seemed to be mad made, right?
Um, and,
and I just took up my drum, which is right there,
that drum right there.
I took that out and I went right to the,
like, I was on a mountain.
I was like, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, like going crazy,
like using my, like, all my will.
And, and I'm telling you, it was like thick,
like pea soup out there.
It was gnarly. And I was able to break a piece
of the cloud like that.
And, but I was using all my will.
Like, it wasn't like a confidence.
It was more like a please get outta here.
So how do you know if
that's a synchronicity or if that's a miracle?
I, I believe they're probably connected.
'cause synchronicities in miracles usually
go hand in hand. Well,
Let me, let me go over deep one level deeper here.
How do you know if that was you or that was God?
It was, it was both of us.
Because if, if it's true that we're all one, regardless, it,
it just being, uh, as clear of a channel as possible for
what the law of one would call the one infinite creator
to be expressed through you, you know, like
that it would seem logical in that respect.
But at that point, me, kind of,
the ego was not comfortable with what there, what
what was being done to the atmosphere.
And then I used my will,
and then part of the infinite creator was like, okay,
I'll give you a little cookie.
Go ahead. Here you go. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
So I, I would say too is like, um, so the,
let's just say the, the existence, just the, the sheer fact
that we exist, right?
Is that a synchronicity in that, you know, the, the, the,
the sun existed and the planet formed and all this happened,
and we're like a mold that just came into being
because the conditions were right in synchronicity.
Or are we, our existence, is that a miracle in
that we were created by some divine power such
as God, right?
Or, or, or is there even really a difference?
Could they, could they both be true? Right?
Uh, could all this exist in synchronicity
because God made it happen?
You know, all these things exist.
Like, you know, the, the wild animal that sits
for six hours waiting for prey
and then synchronicity, you know, comes along.
And there it is. Is it, is it the fact
that it sat there for six hours?
The, the, you know, what made it happen?
Or, or is it a miracle? You know, did it just happen?
And I think there's probably a, a thin line
between the difference, right?
Yeah. So let's talk about synchronicities now.
Do you guys have any great examples of
what you would call synchronicities that happen in your life
Funds? Or
Maybe we could define synchronicity as, uh,
seemingly coincidences that are just too statistically
improbable to be seen as, uh, coincidences
or seemingly too miraculous to be seen as randomness.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah.
Like when you're, you're sleeping and you have a dream and,
and you forget about it, and then a day
or two later, all of a sudden something happened,
you're like, oh my gosh, I had a dream about this.
Right? Is that synchronicity,
or was that some kind of a manifestation,
or was that like a prediction?
Or if you wouldn't have had the dream, would
that thing not have happened?
Yeah, I, I, in the case of dream, it's almost like you're,
you're viewing from a different vantage point
where you're not even looking at physical reality.
You're looking at the metaphysical laws, I think,
and more directly in the symbolic fashion.
So it does seem like when you're in the dream plan,
you're more connected with that, the heart of
what synchronicity even would mean
in terms of metaphysical laws.
That's my theory on it, at least.
I, I'd like to kind of think of synchronicity as like, um,
breadcrumbs, like small
breadcrumbs to large breadcrumbs, for example.
So say a really small synchronicity would be like, Ooh,
I see 11, 11 on my, on my clock, right?
Or I see 2 22 or whatever, right?
You follow that, you pick up that breadcrumb, you eat it,
and then you go to the next one, right?
And then that's more like, okay, um, I am, I, I,
I feel like I, I am, I am like, I have to go to this place.
And then when you get to that place, you meet some people,
and then that leads to another breadcrumb
or another breadcrumb, and,
and it, if you follow the synchronicities,
then it opens up wider, much wider.
And then you have, have access to much more synchronicity,
which I feel is most likely our natural state.
Like, it's, it's natural to be synchronistic, it's natural
to be a saint, it's natural to be holy, it's natural
to be all these things.
It's natural. Right? So it feels,
You're saying by recognizing these things on the clock
or these little moments, you're saying by acknowledging it
and being open to it, you're, you're, you're paving the way
to being closer to those things like a saint
or channeling, you have to be open to
that possibility in order for it
to come into your life more.
Yeah. And it it like that,
although it's not like I give any significant importance
to 1111 on my clock, it's just Oh, neat.
I didn't, oh, something up.
Oh, a lane opened on, on, uh, the highway.
Oh, yeah. Oh, the gas is cheap at this gas station. Wow.
Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
And then it, it keeps on going, uh,
as in things just open up.
And I remember,
'cause I was setting up my, my studio for the last two days,
and I was listening to our old, uh, uh,
streams on Ascension works.
I listened to all three of our, our conversations.
It took me that long to figure things out.
So I was like, yeah, I might as well listen to the guys
and see what it was like, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I remember Randy, um, mentioned that it was kind
of like, um, uh, do you go with the flow
or do you go against the grain, like going
with the flow upstream type of thing.
Right? And I find that a very apt, uh, example is like, go,
like, synchronicity is just kind of like going
with the flow of the stream.
And I, I feel one important other aspect
to this is not identifying overly that I'm the one
who has the, the special number or something.
And then, and it's like, I, I, I think
that's the same way with miracles too.
And I think this is also connected to why the Bible records
and the law of one books record that Jesus was saying,
tell no one when there would be a magical positive working.
And the admonition make sure you're,
you're not telling people about this sort of protects the,
the magic, the miracle.
It protects it from other people's skepticism
and disbelief, um, being a form
of infringement of their free will.
And it protects it from you going down a path
where you're seeing yourself in a way
that is throwing you off your spiritual course
because you're now, you're filled with
pride or narcissism or something.
Mm-Hmm. Um, so, um, uh,
I guess we, we could go down that path of the, the,
the nature of the miracles more too.
And, but I, I definitely agree with this concept
and I've noticed it myself that, uh,
and it, I, I guess I could say that it,
it certainly happened to me when I was a child
and I didn't have anyone to talk to about it.
When there, when I first got a digital watch, I, I, I went
around door to door selling stuff, uh, in order
to get a little digital watch that, uh,
had had the minutes
and the seconds showing as numbers so that I could see.
And there was a particular number, I'm not gonna share
what it is yet, but a particular number
that's following me my whole life.
And I saw the minute and the second a lineup,
I would just glance down randomly.
Uh, it'd be the same minute, same second
every hour I'd check.
I just kept seeing it over and over.
And I'm like, that is really weird.
And, uh, and it started to become more religious,
religious thing for me
before I knew anyone, you know, talking about that,
that is a phenomenon that many people experience.
But eventually it followed me throughout my life
and it was sort of like a, a guide, uh, on,
on different, in different ways.
And I've noticed that there,
there are some synchronicities more than others.
For example, the tones in the ear when,
when I get a tone in the right ear, this is something
with the law of one books talk about too.
It seems to be a positive signal that if you're,
and it seems to happen when I'm questioning, like,
am I on the right track or not?
And if I get a signal in my right ear,
then I usually will interpret that as, yes,
I'm on the right track to be of service to others.
And if it's a signal in my left ear, I often will interpret
that as a, maybe that's not the right path for, uh,
but it's hard to know what to, uh, what
to associate the tones when you receive
tones, what to associate with.
And it's hard to know what to associate the numbers with.
'cause you could become completely
paranoid and be like, oh, no.
And many people are on this trip now
of there are negative synchronicities
and there are negative entities
who are causing the synchronicity.
And this is like, there's like paranoid tunnels
that people get in once they believe in synchronicities
and they go down a paranoid tunnel,
and they could, you could really
still make of it anything you want.
It's still like a free will situation, um,
with anything that's happening.
And, and even, uh, gosh, we had one person who,
uh, he's passed on.
Um, but, but, uh, he, he was very paranoid about a very,
very large fireball
that we saw at one of our ce five events.
And it just made him crazy paranoid.
And I'd never seen that happen before with anybody.
Um, this person had his own, um, lessons, which I had
to work through, and it's like a mutual karmic, uh,
connection that we had to, uh, work on, I think with, uh,
but it's, I, I don't even necessarily know what to make of,
uh, that particular event in the sky.
Uh, it's odd that that one thing would cause fear when
so many other things that happen to everyone
would be more inspirational.
Um, but there's still great freedom in this process,
I think, and that, I think that's part of the, the interplay
of why, why we're allowed to get more
and more when we're using it constructively as opposed
to destructively in our lives.
Mm-Hmm. Well, one thing that I think, uh,
could be helpful, which I find very helpful, anything
that happens in my life situation, I'm like,
that's exactly what needed to happen.
A hundred percent. Like
When, when someone says, uh, what are the chance of
that happening after something happens?
It's like, well, apparently it's a hundred percent
because it just happened, right? It's like,
Yeah, I, you know, speaking
of synchronicity, is it, is it a synchronicity that we see
that, uh, is it the FCI pattern in the way seashells develop
and the way plants like unfold and spiral in a tile lapse,
or the way our heart, uh, develops in the womb in
that spiral kind of Is, is that, I mean, what is that, is
that a synchronicity with the way the earth is spinning
and revolving around the sun?
Is that what, what creates that pattern and, and,
and so many different things on earth?
Well, bike brought up physics earlier,
and it seems like that's probably kind
of like the idea of like a toal structure,
uh, going both ways.
You know, like you have a Taurus look, everybody knows kind
of like what a Taurus looks like, right?
It, it's like a sink emptying, but both ways.
Mm-Hmm. So it seems like it, it's coming out,
and I mentioned Nassim Herriman, the, uh, the physicist.
He, he says that every atom
inside an atom is a mini black hole.
So kind of makes sense that it would, a lot
of things would have that toal structure to construct
The polarity, Like the dip,
Like the yin and yang kind of.
Yeah. What do you
Think, Chris? That's important
too. Go ahead, Chris.
Oh, so I just have a question
because I, I'm probably the least, uh, uh,
I, I've thought, I think out of all four of us,
I've thought about synchronicity
and miracles the least that that's what I would say.
I could be wrong. I don't know.
But my question is, so, uh, the phenomena, phenomenon
of synchronicities is one thing, right?
We, we, we've all experienced things
that seem like synchronicity,
but my question is, uh, the meaning behind what happens,
like, how do we know what the meaning is?
Like, okay, I saw five red Volkswagen Beatles today.
Like, what does that mean?
Or that's just a, that's a bad example.
But, so I think that's my question is like the meaning,
like you can observe things, you can perceive things,
but what, what does it mean?
And how do you know that you are taking the,
the meaning correctly,
Right? Or is
It just a human condition to assume there is a meaning?
Or is it a human choice to attach a meaning?
That's what I mean, exactly.
I dunno. Well, well, but let's say I see something out my
window, and I see something five times today, and I,
and I feel like, oh, I need to go murder somebody.
Like we can all say that, okay, I, that me going
to murder somebody that that's not a good thing.
Like, that's not good.
So I probably mistook the meaning
of those sightings the wrong way.
Mm-Hmm. But it's, it's fascinating.
It's the exact same thing with dream symbolism.
And the fact that people can actually develop a relationship
with certain symbols
and dreams might cause those symbols
to show up more often in their dreams.
And then, and, and so a an interesting example of this is,
um, you know, there's a book
by a woman named Mary Summer Rain, uh,
like a dream encyclopedia, dream dictionary.
And you can, you can start looking at the things
that were in your dream and look and compare
and say what the, what the book thinks
that these things in the dream may symbolize.
And it almost seems
as though the weirdest symbols can pop in your,
into your dreams once you have that book in your possession
and you're wanting to go use it.
This is a phenomenon I've seen.
Multiple people have this experience
where once they have some reference point, then the,
the symbols in their dreams start following
those patterns more and more.
And so there's like a fractal nature to the,
the symbolic expression.
As soon as you start putting meaning on it,
then the meaning is more useful as like a tool.
And I, I honestly, I feel like all of our reality is like a,
a a, a dream full of symbols that can be used
as a tool if we're open to it.
And all of our relationships have different symbolic
geometric patterns to them
where one person will have one energy,
another person in your life will
have the exact opposite energy.
And it's up to you to recognize
that there's a geometry there,
because these are two sides of the same spectrum
of consciousness that you're,
you're learning to work through.
And, and really, that, that often is speaking of the nature
of balance and the nature of forgiveness.
You could forgive this person
because you see this issue in another person or another per
and the opposite in yourself.
And you can see how this is just, you're,
you're just two parts of the same coin.
Two sides of the same spectrum of,
of the creator are manifesting in some way
That would suggest that at all times,
all things are synchronistic.
And it, it's just our observing of the, the little glimpse
of it is really just the fact
that we're taking the time to observe that.
And that's why I think when people do these drugs like DMT
or, and they start to see things break down into fractals,
it's like you are just seeing what exists all the time
and in a, in a wealth of abundance around you at all times.
In other words, there are miracles
and synchronicities happening at all times all around us,
kinda like in every room.
Like we're all sitting in different parts
of the world in different rooms, yet we're all surrounded
by frequencies and vibrations and,
and tons of different things that we can't perceive them.
But they're always there in every room.
Just like, for example, if you wanted to take a sampling
of the space of the air in the room, right now,
you are surrounded by how many frequencies
of radio stations you can't perceive them.
But if you have that correct transistor to pull it out
of the air and translate it, all of a sudden this
other realm exists of music and art
and, and it's all around you.
You just can't perceive it like a radio station. Right?
It's like, until you have that, that ability to grasp
and recognize or to observe you, you really have no idea.
It's happening all the time.
I think the fact that our bodies, right, are made up
of billions of things bursting and dying
and, you know, happening all with just within us.
That's, I mean, all in a synchronistic way, right?
Is that a miracle? I would say, yeah.
You know, by, by a human standard.
We can't just, we're trying to be able to create
that synthetically, you know, a life or a robot
or artificial intelligence.
We're, we're, we're, as humans, we're trying to create
that ourselves, you know, as if we're little g gods,
but it's very complicated.
And yet here it is existing within us.
Is that just a synchronicity or is that a miracle? Or is it,
What if, what if there already is a fictitious
synchronicity, uh, working already
because you brought up radio signals
and you have the mainstream media
and you have different types of influential, uh,
messaging all over the planet.
So what if our current reality
is already being commandeered, synchronicity
in a way that people have to agree
for this reality to actually take place?
So in other words, humanity is responsible
for the unfolding of our own reality.
Well, there, there are people, there are people who want
to, uh, broadcast their perspectives,
and then they have, uh, a, a larger, um, microphone
or platform to be able to do that.
And it reaches the most amount of people.
And don't forget, everybody's got like nine to five jobs,
kids, this is, and there's not much, there's not much
soul searching a person can really do in this
current construct of reality.
But you have these messages out there,
and we align with that messaging.
So we're not, we're, we're using,
we're using our free will in a very lazy way by,
by attaching ourselves
or allowing those messaging systems to attach themselves
to us, which in inform, in turn, commandeers
our synchronistic path.
Because like, uh, rah was saying,
we're a social memory complex.
So imagine we're all kind of like humanity's, kind
of like this school, this school of fish.
Mm-Hmm. And then you have like the, the, the most prevalent,
um, messaging commandeering us, right?
So now it's, and still, yeah,
Go ahead. It's, yeah, that's, I
think this gets to the more the heart
of the metaphysical laws that are governing our reality
and the way in which we are collectively choosing versus
individually choosing the, the experiences.
And if, if you think about it, like
we really do have a choice of what if we even want
to turn on a television or turn on a device.
And, but as soon as you make that choice
to turn on the television and the device,
now you are hooked in to a much larger spectrum of symbolism
where the, for example, the politics
or a war, for example,
if everyone is looking at a device saying, we are at war,
or our country's at war,
or some terrible thing is happening, it's, it's,
it's very compelling.
But you still have this free will to turn, turn around,
turn, turn away from the device,
and look at the world around you and say,
this is a world at war, or this is a world, world at peace.
I see the trees, I see the birds,
I see the gentleness all around me.
This does not feel like war at all.
Somebody walks by with a gun.
You could say, this person really likes
that toy they're playing with over there.
You know, you have, you have total free will always.
Um, but it is very compelling, uh, to, um, but,
but then again, why are we manifesting the person
with a gun walking by if we could have been out
adventuring in some other direction in that particular day.
Um, it does seem like there's still an individual
connectedness to all of it.
Well, that's, that's the key
to almost everything is free will
implications involved in everything.
Like I, I've had this thought, okay,
many Christian religions, including my own, when they say,
when a person goes to hell, they go to hell for eternity.
Right? And then you ask, okay, but,
but if, if we're truly in a freewill universe
and say that that hellscape is actually, uh, you know,
like a real thing for whomever,
I believe it's more based on belief in that respect,
you create that, that, uh, sentence, right?
But, but if that person is,
is like in agony,
crying out for help in a hellish place,
and I want to change,
isn't there a free will implication if you say, no,
it can't, it's eternity.
Who's saying you can't, who's saying you can't get
through hell and,
and start to ascend to something greater, right?
Because once you say you, you're gonna,
you're in hell for eternity.
You're using an absolute saying. Who said that?
Okay. There's a lot of people who said that.
But, but, and,
and so that's, if somebody
has a free will is if free will, except for
the situation does
Free will seem to exist if you get it,
if you find yourself in hell.
Yeah. And I completely believe there are realms
that are hell and heaven and everything in between.
But I, I don't subscribe to the idea of like, oh,
it's eternity in one particular state
or vibration, right?
Like they, it, to me, it's, it's, it's removing that ability
of having true free will.
Right? Let's
Let, let me break this down into a a, a simple example
that seems related to me is like, uh,
let's say a person has been feeling like they're in hell
because they have a back pain or something.
And this is what ran Randy was talking about
with the complexity of the body.
And you could say that the, the back pain is there
as a teacher, and the back pain is showing you, um, you need
to slow down or you need to, um, not feel as burdened.
Uh, there could be meta metaphysical layers to this
that are hard to appreciate for, for people,
but inevitably that back pain is trying to, uh, well, if,
if it is trying to teach you something, is it any less
of a miracle than the healing that would bring about the,
um, the, the lessening of the back pain?
Because the, once the source of the distortion
of the back pain is identified,
now you have more balance in your life.
So the miracle can be seen as that,
which is bringing you into balance by,
by being a guardrail saying you don't want
to continue going down down that path, which felt like hell.
And you could say the miracle is,
is the, the release from it.
But you still are gonna pick another direction.
You figure out if that direction is in balance or not. Um,
But here, here's, do you wanna hear something?
Uh, a question I'll ask that might really cook your noodle?
And it's like, this is way down a rabbit hole,
Alright? Right?
Where is eternity?
Where is eternity? Where,
Where is space Everywhere?
Yeah. Okay. So now
this gets into the health thing.
That person with the back pain, right?
That person with the back pain
is now in eternity.
If eternity is now, and it's everywhere
and it's space, they're in eternity.
This moment is eternal.
That back pain in this moment
is eternal suffering in that back pain.
And it is a hell, and it's in it's eternal, right?
So you can have your a your cake
and eat it too with this for Christian people and whatever,
because this moment right now is completely full.
It's real, it's complete, it's whole.
It's whatever I, I, uh, I am, I'm, we can, it's self-evident
that now is happening.
So if now is happening,
and in just a few seconds ago
that now has quote unquote passed,
but that now has gotta be full, right?
So it's like a picture frame of the whole
film strip of reality.
And in, in that picture frame, which will, which is always
that back pain, right?
You, you're still in, in eternal hell in that back pain.
But now the now has changed it's formation.
You don't have back pain anymore,
and now you're potentially in heaven, right?
And I do wonder how much pain is caused by a desire to
believe in the ego that is the one who is in pain and,
and how, how much pain is caused by on some level
of enjoyment of the, of, of the view of the,
of the identity that is stuck in that situation as opposed
to releasing it and saying, I'm no longer tied
to this particular hell experience,
and I can, I can go within
and I can find a new reality that has none
of the attachments to any of this current reality.
Well, I I think there's language issues with it too,
because, uh, uh, the, the languages are,
are kind of like, uh, casting spells.
That's why there's a famous meme out say out there saying
that's why it, it's called spelling, right?
So when I say,
when people say in general, I'm hungry,
I'm thirsty, right?
I'm not hungry. I feel hungry.
I'm not thirsty.
I feel thirsty because I am hungry is not my identity.
I feel hungry is actually a,
a more accurate way of saying it, uh,
that I feel hungry, right?
'cause I'm, I'm not hungry.
Well, like little kid, I'd say, Hey,
dad, can you make me a sandwich?
And he'd say, poof, you're a sandwich.
It's like, you're not making me a sandwich.
You're making a sandwich for me, right?
Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I like that.
I can I use that. Sure.
Uh, And, and, and are we, are we at war?
Are we at war
or are we perceiving that there is, uh,
belief in conflict?
Um, that that is seemingly, uh, continuing around us?
It, it feels like this is an endless source
of identification when we start to look at it differently
that just everything is just attachment to
an apparent reality that is pretty, pretty well consistent
When we wake up every morning course when we dream,
it's not consistent at all. Well, it
Could just be, well, you know, this is, it's interesting
that we're talking about this,
and it makes me think about how, how
primitive spoken language truly is.
And it's like words don't exist to describe all the things
yet, you know, and we've kind
of just accepted this language.
And as we proceed on with the decades, language seems
to be getting less and less evolved instead of the other way
around where we should be getting more
and more communicative.
And we're, we're getting less and less with emotes and,
and lazy brains and all these things.
Because just even when you look at science, right?
And I had a discussion the other day about this, is,
is science the ultimate thing
or is science humanity's attempt to translate
and understand God's creation?
Right? And it's like, I think science is always trying
to evolve and it's always changing, and oh, we now know this
and we now know that, but yet the truth always existed.
We're just attempting to discover
and decipher this truth that that already exists, right?
And it's like we live in this complex world
with these complex bodies and these spirits
and souls that we really have no idea about.
And science is, it likes to parade
around like it's this ultimate authority.
But really given
that we're just still developing our language
and our understanding of this reality and this world and,
and this chaos of, of this, these lives, we don't,
we don't know too much, really.
I mean, we know a fraction for sure,
but yet whether we know it or not, it all exists, right?
The world spins, nature exists, and,
and animals hunt instinctively,
and bees are born knowing how to forge for, you know, pollen
and create honey and these honeycombs.
And, you know, how is it
that bees all across the world all develop
and create these honeys and these shapes
and, you know, there's,
there's more going on than like just communicating
and, you know, with language, right?
I mean, bees communicate through vibration and temperature
and, and, but all of this exists.
Whether or not we can recognize it and decode it
and decipher it, it all exists.
So are we really the masters here of this reality?
Or are we just, you know, kind of along for the ride?
You know,
I, I think it's both.
And plus, if science, true science
as in like the, uh, scientific process
truly is taking place, it's right out of
what Jesus said, science to me is seek
and you will find, mm-Hmm.
That's what true science to me is just like you're looking
for it, uh, uh, uh, seek the truth and or, uh, uh, uh,
and a truth shall, shall set you free.
That's another one. Like what, when you find something like,
for example, like free energy, it's a perfect example.
If you find that, and, and that's the truth about energy,
and then you release it, what happens?
It's free or free, free in that respect, right? It's
Like static electricity or Yeah.
So the teachers are us. Yeah.
So our teachers, our spiritual teachers from, from the,
you know, antiquity, di different faiths, religions
and stuff, they all had basically the same type
of guidelines or guidance or suggestions or,
or, uh, what's it called?
Um, uh, what's that thing when you tell some like commands,
you know, commandments to look, there you go there,
it's pointing in a particular direction.
So I'm debating how far we should get into, um,
some more esoteric discussions now, um, such as the
working with our reality more intentionally, which is, uh,
potentially what could be called, uh, a metaphysical
or spiritual science or a, uh, magical science.
And I just having a discussion
with my wife yesterday about how funny it is.
I don't know if there's been any studies done
on like different religious groups who pray over their food.
It's like, are they healthy?
Is their food suddenly way healthier
because they Yes. Looked at it differently.
Yes. This is actually a thing,
and I, we were, I forget,
I was talking about this last week.
Is that the, when you there, there was a, a thing
where a bunch of people sat around
and passed around a bottle of water,
I think were we talking about this and
Oh, the emoto experiments?
Yeah. And they were saying positive
affirmations to the bottle of water.
Yeah. And there has been studies where they,
they molecularly on the molecular level,
when you exert positive affirmation to things like water
or, you know, your food
and stuff like that, the idea like praying over food,
you are changing something in a more positive way if you are
giving positive affirmations.
And it works. The other way too is like if you're being
negative, if giving negative affirmations, it does distort
and, and make it more of a, an unhealthy, you know,
water molecule or, you know, so the idea of like praying
and being grateful for your food
and all that is like, it suggests that your in,
in your intention and,
and maybe even the sound you're creating
actually does physically alter this uni, the,
this universe on, on a molecular way, you know?
So it's like group prayer,
like when a whole community gets together
and prays for a person's healing,
there have been many records where there person can heal,
you know, and it's like,
you don't even have to be in the room.
You know, it's like, it's like quantum entanglement.
Like you can, once you, you, you're,
you're focused on something, an object or a person,
and you truly do focus
and send your, your, your frequency, your vibration
or your wavelength to that thing
or that person without even being in the room or, or,
or in the same country, you can instantly send and,
and affect the matter of that person
or that thing that suggests we do not live in the world.
The average person thinks, you know,
I've actually seen that a lot on social media when big,
big accounts say, oh my God, I, I'm feeling something,
or my friend is feeling ill
or whatever, hospital, this, this and that.
And then the next day they're like, oh my gosh, thank you
for all the prayers it worked.
Mm-Hmm, Definitely. I agree.
Yeah. And moving the blocks
and the pyramids for all we know, you know,
it could have been 30 people, uh, uh, standing in a circle
around the blocks and, and, you know, admitting this sound
or this frequency or, or this loving spirit, or,
or who knows what I mean, the fact
that we are just now being able to talk about these things
as if we're first discovering them for the first time.
You know, we're not even calculating in something that,
you know, there might be a way to, you know, use a piece
of technology to amplify these things.
You know, whether it's a pyramid shape or a wand.
Like, you know, Hollywood,
just the term Hollywood is derived from the idea
that the holly tree has properties
that amplify spells, you know,
and your intentions, you know,
and using these tools of this world are, are, you know,
we're, we're, it's like hidden knowledge, you know, that
we're just starting to, to retap into,
I feel like this isn't a lost thing that was known once,
you know, and maybe the libraries of Alexandria
or deep in the Vatican, there are, are instructions on this.
I don't know. But
So I think there's, there's multiple layers
to this discussion that we could talk about with, um, I I,
I'm really fascinated by the fact that
if you take somebody like Uri Geller, for example,
who was doing, uh, was, was it, was it spoon bending?
Yeah. Uh, various things like that, that, that seem
to be psychic phenomenon.
And psychic phenomenon is another interesting example that,
that may interrelate with this, where he, it seemed
as though he was gaining credibility and maybe lost someone.
He went on like a public show,
and there was a bunch of skeptics around him,
and I think he might have said, like,
it just doesn't work in this environment.
And I, I've seen that repeated in many other cases
where when you get a room of skeptics together, uh, then
who, whatever this kind of thing is
that was at one point predictable,
it's no longer a predictable, uh, thing
because it would be an infringement on the free will
of those around to have that happen.
And well, that's my interpretation
of why it, it doesn't work as well.
And I think that this is, this is true all the way to, uh,
the miracles of Jesus telling people to tell no one.
And there was, there was an example that came
to mind when I finally finished watching maybe the third
season of the chosen show where they show, uh, the breaking
of the bread and, and, and, and fishes.
And I noticed, and, uh, one of the things I,
it's a great show to poke, to poke fun at and,
and see how you disagree with
how they interpret what, what the Bible says.
But, and, and all four of the gospels, they tell the story
of how Jesus, you know, found out
that everyone needed to be fed.
They only had a limited amount of food.
And the, the first thing he said is,
now make everyone sit down.
Sit down. And that, and as soon as right
before he broke the bread and did miraculous multiplication
of the bread, he made sure everyone was sitting down.
And my theory, this is the same thing that's in the Miracle
of Love book about neem cor Baba,
where he would break bread under his blanket.
He would, you wouldn't see what he is doing if,
if no one else is seeing what's happening, then, then their,
their free will is not at all infringed upon
as they're walking up to, to take a piece of bread.
They just know that there's bread available.
They don't know how it came into being.
And I have to wonder to what degree our whole society is
so full of pride and bragging about every last thing, um,
that it, it, it'd be, it's difficult for us
to live miraculous lives when,
when we're automatically trying to bring it out into the,
into the public and, and,
and make it a, a spectacle for, for our God
or for our, um, way of doing things, for our way
of manifesting reality.
We can create courses and teachings
around our way of manifesting reality.
Um, but ultimately, I think that there's, there's a, there,
there's, there's a magic that the universe wants
to show us about that is the one
that's the most open-hearted
and honoring the perspectives of everyone else around us,
and the one that can honor the free will and perspectives
and, and interoperate with other people
without being about me, without it being more
of the divine flow that's coming through everyone
and every situation without there being any identity to it.
That seems to be the, the raw, uh, power of the,
of the creator coming through all manifestation
for these miraculous occurrences,
which are not limited in any way.
Then I suppose, you know, it is,
it's really only a limited on our perspective as to
what we see as a miracle in that sense.
Mm-Hmm.
Well, I believe if, if the environment,
the environment around us clears,
like there's a clarity with certain things
and certain, um, uh, illusions
or falsehoods fall away,
and then there's a general feeling of goodness,
just yeah, just like that nice summer or spring day
or whatever, everybody, it just feels really nice.
The clouds are nice and puffy, the birds are singing type
of feeling, just that
I think people would be much more open
to seeing somebody levitating across the, the sky.
Right? Right. So yeah, you're, you're saying like,
if there wasn't so much feedback
and noise in the, in the, you know, the minds of the people
because of the world we're projected that we live in Yeah.
We are just existed in this world without all the nonsense,
what we might be capable of,
Including our physical structures,
because a lot of our physical structures are created
with metal and concrete, concrete is not so bad,
but metal has weird reverberating properties,
especially in the shape of a box.
Like imagine things vibrating off of that and,
and how it can, can stunt certain al
shaped natural inclinations that we all have.
Right. And so, like, if this is why a lot of people,
including spiritual, uh, teachers, leaders
and stuff that, you know, like, hey, go, go in nature.
And when you go out in nature, you feel suddenly like Yeah,
There's no right angles in nature.
Yeah. Or left angles.
Sorry, have No, no,
but that's, the environment needs
to have some type of, uh, coherence.
And I believe, I believe it is happening
because of the current things
that are happening on a planet right now.
I really feel all this stuff, like good, bad, everything in
between is, is like a purging,
like go, taking your puke bucket out
and just a letting it out.
Like the earth is puking and it's puke bucket right now.
It's like every day, every day there's more feedback,
more nonsense, more, more distraction, more, you know,
theater unfolding.
Hey, look, this, focus on this, look at this, focus on this.
Like, will everyone just shut up?
Yeah. But, but would you rather that stuff stay inside
or would you rather want it to express itself and come out
and fully express everything it needed to express
because that, that
that consciousness is like this traumatized child
that needs to scream at their parents
and let everything out?
Yeah, you're right. Because let it all out, right?
And then it us, we can tune it out like, like, like,
you know, turn it off.
But even if I tune it out, nature, if I tune it out, am I,
am I removing my attention from it in a compassionate way?
You know, like a, as in like, I had this crazy thought,
again, going back to the religious thing about like
hell and whatever, right?
I was like, and,
and so there's this idea of like, um, you know, like,
uh, people go to heaven, people go to hell.
I'm like, I would not want to leave
this reality
or any, uh, uh, fractal of reality or level of reality
unless everybody's with me, unless everybody's there.
If there's somebody down on a ditch
in a hellish zone, I wouldn't wanna progress until
that person progresses.
Hmm. I wouldn't want
To generous of you.
No, but I wouldn't Know hell outta you as quick as
I could. No, because if
I, if I, if I did right,
and then I'd, I don't know, I'd just feel very, uh, uh,
I wouldn't feel complete.
And this is and finished the mission.
Yeah. And this is where, where it feels like the idea
of this social memory complex idea, it's
that the whole planet is together.
One person could speak for all, doesn't matter
who you could pick whatever person on that planet,
they can speak for everyone.
So it's kind of like that dude in a ditch.
I, it doesn't feel complete.
I'd rather humanity complete together
And move on, and it's a giant mess to get tangled in,
but it almost feels like we are being pushed
and pushed into the, into the tangle more,
even if we try to step back from it.
Everything's so interconnected and integrated.
It's hard to just go live in a cabin in the woods all alone
and have everything you need, because it is so much easier
to go to a Walmart and be integrated with all the products
that they have that do everything you need.
And if, and if it gets to a point where we can't as easily
do commerce because things start collapsing as a society,
we'll have to work together even more on a more deep level
to start rebuilding the bonds of communities that would, uh,
that, that, that have been broken by the,
the system monopolizing into controlling every little
facet of our reality.
But, but so, so there's advantage, I think either way.
Um, as long as we have to deal with other people and, and,
and break through the blockages to being able to have, uh,
ways to collaborate, work together to make our,
our reality at least as, as good as it is,
and improving consistently,
which people are generally trying to do.
They're trying to have an easier life.
But, but then they turn on the TV
and it's like, oops, now,
now we have all these other things to worry about.
We have to figure out who to vote
for, and we have our parents.
And, and it is affecting everyone that this election, I'm
so happy and excited that we're being pushed to, to break,
break through into, uh, love for each other,
which does not care about all the political junk, but,
but people are so attached to so many different as facets
of what's it is really like, just, it's like a tiny,
tiny portion of our, of our reality are the issues
that are being debated in the left versus right spectrum.
It's just those issues happen to be the most divisive
and most, almost like where you have belief systems,
which are mutually exclusive, and so
therefore you just can't wrap your head
around the other person's belief system if you're
totally on one side or the other.
Uh, but of course, you, you can find a way
to open your heart if you fully, uh, take in both sides.
And I sure wish if it was legal to vote as both a Democrat
and a Republican, that would be so much fun to me
that we would have those kinds
of discussions all happening in both political parties or,
or if we could just vote on the
Issues ourselves.
Yeah. Yeah. True issue based voting would be fun too.
Um, but, but that's not what it's, this is about,
this is about the people more or,
or learning to love each other, I guess.
Yeah. And I would like to see the world come together
more, too, is not, I mean, of course, like every country
citizens should be their country first, right?
Like in China, if you're from China
and your Chinese, you should be China first, right?
You should be concerned about your family and,
and your, those closest to you.
But I feel like on average, every country,
the general population of that country would get along
with the general population of every other country, right?
So, oh, we're going to war with Russia.
Why the majority of Americans would probably get along
with the majority of Russians.
We all just wanna be comfortable, love our families,
eat good food, and be healthy.
I mean, why do we all, you know, it's not the citizenry
that necessarily has beef with each other,
it's the governments that need to fight, you know?
So why don't we just just take the, the leaders and,
and make them, you know, either get rid of them
or put 'em in a ring and let them fight.
I mean, I, I, I just don't think
that the average person in any country is a
generally a bad person, right?
I think that we're all pretty much the same everywhere.
We're just a different seasoning.
You know, we're different flavored people,
but, you know, they just wanna love their, live their life,
be left alone, love their family, enjoy some, you know,
good food and, and, and relax.
And, you know, it's like, it's not that complicated.
You know, it's like all these issues of this or that
or this, like polarizing things to keep us divided.
Let's just, we, we need
to talk more like Chinese people need to talk more
with Russian people, and with both of those need to talk
to American people, with Australian people, like we need
to have some kind of way
where we can all talk together, right?
Like when I open up Twitter XI don't see Chinese
people, right?
I see all the American people.
Well, you know, we have digital ability
to translate one another.
Why aren't we interfacing more with each other?
Is this by design? Is this just, you know, I
Mean, well, one thing, one thing's for sure though,
as opposed to like 50
or even a hundred years ago, people
can communicate with each other like never before, right?
It's Like never
Right there.
Huge. Right? Like that.
And that's why I think like the whole idea
of like a one world
or a new world order is like projected
as this horrible thing,
but it's like, would it be, it, it,
it could be great, right?
But it's, it's, it's who dictates what that order will be?
Is, is really, you know, is it gonna be those globalists,
you know, media manipulators who want
to crash economies and stuff?
If they lead this, this world order,
it's not gonna be good, right?
But if someone who's loving and compassionate like Jesus,
or, or Gandhi
or, you know, whoever, if someone like that's in charge
of dictating this world order, it might be awesome.
You know, I think the one world order thing I is a
counter psychological operation,
because that would be ideal, is
to have like a whole world in unity.
Mm-Hmm. But if you're like the quote unquote bad guys
or somebody who wants to, uh, uh, uh, have hold
of the narrative, you'd be like, Ooh, that's evil.
Mm-Hmm. And we got these groups, these shadowy groups
that are taking over, and then all
of a sudden you have this resistance to say no
to a world order type of thing, right?
Mm-Hmm. But in a sense, we have so much evidence
that they're these shadow re groups.
Huge. Of course, right?
But then we're like, okay, we, now we know what kind
of world order we don't want right now.
We can see what kind of world order we do want.
And certainly decentralized, uh, order is, is helpful.
If, if we could live like Native Americans
and just have simple agreements
and not need to be, uh, have anything in our life dictated
by somebody living thousands of miles away,
that would be more ideal, I think. Yeah.
Like, that's, that's important to point out, right? It is.
Like the Native Americans, they had a lot
that was right, right?
Don't, don't, don't get it twisted though.
Native Americans were, were killing each other and,
and robbing each other and, and doing all that too, right?
They weren't like, by, they weren't a perfect
example of humanity.
But that being said, there was a lot of good things
that they were, you know, supposedly did, right?
It was their, their balance with nature and,
and not taking more than they needed from the environment.
And, you know, that's what you gotta, like mine the gold out
of every culture, every civilization, every religion,
it's like nobody's got it 100%, right?
But everyone's got some good things about their
culture and their ways, right?
And it's like we could just pull all the best parts
of everything and create a new system just based on,
on truth, love, compassion, you know, and, and,
and doing the right thing and honesty and,
and all these, these good things, you know?
And we can pull, you know, well, well, you know,
like the Muslim re uh, religion,
there's some good things in there, right?
But then there's some really bad things, okay?
It is like we need some kind of a council of really smart,
compassionate, you know, right-minded people to sit there
and, and really dissect every culture
and put together like a, a, you know,
like the coexist sticker.
You know, it's like there,
there could be some really cool things that we could do
as a species, you know, not country
or, you know, as a globe, I'm talking like as one world.
Like if we all came together, truly came together
with compassion and truth, and,
and, you know, there's, there's more than enough food.
There's more than enough space. You know what I mean?
There, there's more than enough oil.
We just kind of stop letting the, the,
the wieners rule everything.
And even just, even just being able to come together
with people who can believe in miracles,
we could just miraculously change our reality when we have
enough faith and focus that, that we're,
that we're not wanting to see the, the hellscape
that we've been seemingly seeing for so long.
But here's the, there's this one little thing though,
like a little issue that can pop up.
Now, if I come together with somebody
and say, let's create something new, right?
As in like a system, right? Mm-Hmm.
Then all of a sudden you get like a repeat
of like, what's happened in the past about the system,
because there's, there's a hierarchical structure, right?
So what, what I feel is
probably the best course is you empower the people
with tools that allow them to be self-governing,
self-reliant, and in the system
creates itself through cooperation with people.
Like, for example, very simple.
If everybody has the ability on their own to have food,
water, shelter, clothing, a relevant education, right?
And, and unlimited amount of energy that you'd never have
to pay for, right?
Mm-Hmm. So there's a whole bunch of stuff
that's just removed from a system
or a bunch of systems right now.
We all have we're, we're in a good spot.
We don't have to worry about those things anymore.
And now imagine everybody on the planet,
every family had that.
We get, there are projects that pop up, like say, I'm like,
oh, I wanna, I wanna build this thing.
I need these types of people with these types of skills and,
and, and anybody want to help.
And then I would get people from wherever, Australia, China,
Zimbabwe, coming to that location,
because obviously we have free energy,
so we can fly anywhere as fast as we want, whatever,
no worry about like any type of fuel, right?
We go to that location and we start building,
and we have a blast enjoying the whole process of,
because I'm like, okay, I have this idea,
but then somebody else there is like, oh, you know what?
This design that you had here,
I think this would work better.
And we're like, oh, yeah, that would work better.
And then all of a sudden you create this beautiful thing
like, uh, kind of, uh, uh,
synchronistically Mm-Hmm.
Like synchronicity comes into the creative process
without you saying,
this is the definite design that we need.
This is the template of the design that I want.
But then we create to gather this, you,
that is even better than what I thought.
Well, what, the only thing that's really lacking from
that system is the platform
to broadcast your desires and needs to the world.
But we we're, we're, we're al
we're pretty much there. I mean,
Well, we have the internet,
but then this would be like a, a like a way better version
of like, say the internet without any ads. And it be
Like a giant commercial system, really
good Craigslist kind of thing.
It, It, it's, it's a,
It's a, it's a, it's a big, uh, big,
big subject maybe for another discussion.
But I, I feel like there's also the, the subject
of the integration between spiritual progress
and technological progress that has to happen
because as soon as you have something
that can be turned into a weapon, people will do that.
Even in primitive times, native Americans were still warring
with each other and couldn't really find a way, uh,
to, to have total peace.
Uh, even with very limited technology.
They were using what technology they did have in waging war
because of the human condition,
because of the plague on the spiritual side
of our collective, which is, uh, just,
there is just some sort of collective, uh, rot that,
that hasn't been broken through.
But I wanna go to Chris also, if you have any thoughts on,
on these particular subjects
before we go back into maybe closing it out
with some discussion of the metaphysics, of the Miracle,
miracle that we're seeking.
Oh, sure. Yeah. I had some thoughts on the
miracle topic too.
But, uh, yeah. I mean this, the whole, the new world order
and all this stuff, it's, this is a great discussion.
I love it. Um, I talk about it pretty much every day.
'cause I do a show about Bitcoin,
and I'm also big into Noster, which, by the way,
Noster is the solution that you're thinking
of a decentralized social media
that can't be controlled by anyone.
And it's already there. It's called Noster.
And yeah, I mean, there's so much that can be done.
I think it just, that human nature always comes in.
Like, like I, I often, when
whenever there's discussion about creating the perfect world
or, or, you know, the a a utopian vision
and stuff, I always, um, I I, I don't believe it.
I don't buy it. Uh,
because it, this is human na human nature
has both the light side and the dark side.
And you could give a hundred, you could give,
you could give the world everything
that you guys just talked about, unlimited.
Everything. Everybody has everything.
No one has a reason to even be negative for a moment.
And guess what? The world's gonna descend into a hellhole
because there's gonna be a bunch
of a-holes doing all that stuff.
That's just human nature.
And why, in my opinion, why is that human nature,
or not necessarily why,
but in essence,
the only reason we're born into a human body is to,
to overcome that negative human nature.
We're not angels yet. We're humans.
We're flawed, we're dark. We kill each other.
We have egos bloated beyond belief.
And, and, and the reason the world punishes us
and hurts us is because our ego's too big.
It's like the, it's like the universe
putting us in our place.
And so, as long as there's ego, there's gonna be
a nastiness around the globe.
And, uh, you know, of course, at the same time,
there will be all the good things too.
That, that always comes with it too.
So the utopian stuff is, I, I, I just don't buy it.
Um, I just don't buy it.
What other thing I want to point out is that to me, it's,
it's, it seems a lot like the Plato's allegory of the cave,
uh, where you have people focused on dark images all the
time and they just haven't seen the light yet.
And so if you're always focused on, well, I, I need
to get ahead as much as possible,
and it doesn't matter how great technology is
or how great my life is, I'm not going to interpret this
as time to be, uh, loving and optimistic and hopeful
because I, I just need to focus on what I've known
and in this, in these dark shadows of my reality.
And, and, but I feel like this is ultimately, like,
we're here to find all the people
who are mulling in darkness
and find some way to show them a little bit more light,
to crack their eyes open to the idea
that there is a better way.
And the, that, that, that that's, it's,
it's like an ongoing process.
And people are just so wanting the world the way it is
that they just have to be broken out of it gradually, piece
by piece, person by person.
I think if you can help one person in
your life, that's enough.
If you can bring one person in your life to a greater state
of peace and joy and love,
and you can enjoy that with them, then that is progress.
Just, just one person at a time is what, what needs
to happen at a minimum, I think. Um, so,
Well, here's what, but Chris is right though.
I, I noticed as well.
'cause, uh, with Chris's comments, which I agree,
there's dark and light,
but to be creative, you need contrast.
If you're gonna paint a painting, you need
to put the shadows in there.
You need to have that contrast, right?
And a utopian world that where people think
is utopia is there, there's like no contrast,
but in, in a truly creative
and evolving world, there'll always be contrast.
But there'll be the balance of contrast
because just being like dark, light
and dark together, in of itself, both
of those aren't really evil.
It's the, it is the proclivity towards one
or the other, right?
That it can go to an extreme.
And then you get caught into that extreme of that
because it's out of ballots.
So as we create, as we evolve in a place,
which I feel is way better than the utopia, is that
creative contrast.
And, and part of it is, is
because it's so balanced, it doesn't mean
you're gonna go all the way to the dark.
You just take a little taste of it, right?
Like, um, you get like a,
like an ice cream cone, right?
Vanilla ice cream.
You, you put, you dip it in chocolate,
then you put a little cinnamon on top of there,
and then you take a little, uh, cayenne be,
and you put it on top of the cinnamon because cinnamon
and cayenne have a spicy gather, right?
The perfect amount that's gonna taste amazing.
But if you put too much of anything,
if it's too much cayenne, it's gonna be, oh man, this is,
what kind of crap are you feeding me?
If you just put the right amount, you need contrast
to create, you need the dark
and the light in order to have some type
of reality, like we have. Yeah. Right.
I think we were, we were talking about kind
of wasn't like a utopia as much as it was like
everyone deserves the right to their basic, like you said,
food, shelter, water, clothing, whatever, is like a minimum
level of accepted, you know, survival for everyone.
And then, you know, the sky's the limit.
If you wanna participate and you wanna build things
and you want to try out welding
or, you know, something like that,
the door should be more open.
Like there should be, you know, access for everyone.
Whereas right now we're in a, like, kind of an exclusive
thing where it's like, only when you have this
or you pay this much,
can you experience this thing? You know,
It's an incentive based reality.
Mm-Hmm. The incentives that we have currently in place
incentivize us to be thieves.
So incentivizing, do you think
that the social credit score thing would be better?
No. That, that's another type of incentive.
They're incentivizing you to try to be a certain way to try
to mold you into something.
The incentives gotta change.
I have this really, uh, I don't know if this is like the
best, uh, analogy,
but it kind of makes sense with an incentive.
So you're driving down the road, right?
It's, uh, 40 miles an hour,
but then you go 55, the cop pulls you over,
gives you a ticket, but switching the incentive
would be kind of, this is the best I can come up with now,
is if you stay at the speed limit,
they'll actually pay you.
Here's 40 bucks, right?
Like it will go into your, your bank account or whatever,
but if you go over, that's fine.
But the only way you'll get, uh, what's it called, um,
the only way you'll, you'll get any consequences is if
actually you physically harm somebody
with your reckless driving, not
because you went over the speed limit like the loan.
So you're, you're allowed to go as fast as you want, as long
as you don't harm anyone, everybody.
Right? Right. But if you go the speed limit,
you'll get points or money.
Mm-Hmm. That's a positive incentive. Mm-Hmm.
Most of our incentives now are negative. Right.
And it turns people into negatively oriented beings.
But if you switch it, you can switch it to people
who are positively oriented.
Yeah. But you still have your contrast.
You still have your cayenne
and chocolate, vanilla ice cream. You still have it.
What I think I wanna bring up one point
before we, uh, start, start to close this out here, um, I,
in the law of one books, they talk about the fact that, um,
second density beings the animals, many of them,
they don't have to worry about shelter as staying warm
or finding food because they're, they're in a reality
where it's just automatically provided by nature.
You can look, look out how much the trees are producing.
Um, they're, the trees will produce things
that humans have trouble at digesting,
and animals will have enough fur that they don't need
to worry about having shelter.
But they said specifically that the loss of, uh,
as we evolved into, well, I mean should say
as this particular physical form evolved out
of second density forms, like the apes
who had all this hair, the loss of hair was intended
to weaken us specifically for the purpose of forcing us
to deal with one another.
And because we can't do it all alone,
we simply are needing one another to,
to help us reach our basic needs.
And the, the fact this is the spice, you know, the fact
that we have to deal with one another,
whatever it's our interactions turn out to be is, is like
it's providing a, a platform for the miracles of love
and healing and progress
and growth to continue to accelerate.
And so, so whatever's happening, it's, it's an acceleration,
I think for, for everyone to look at their lessons in,
in a new lens to, to, to deal with others with love,
hopefully, is what, what the lesson is
that people are able to learn faster.
Um, and in that sense, all the, all the madness
that's happening is still could be seen as synchronicity
and miracles to bring us closer to the, the perfect
point in our awareness of what is needed to break
through the blockages of, of our society
and of our individual energetic self, to, to find the love
and the light that propels us onward.
So you're, you're kind of saying
that maybe tragedy could also be a miracle.
Yeah. And it, it ultimately leads us to fruition
that would somehow benefit us individually
or as, as a group.
Right. It's Arable that tragedy is the only thing
that can bring us back to where we should be.
Hmm. Yeah.
Interesting. I dig it. I dig
It. All right. We got a few
people we can chat
with once we end the end, the recording and the attendees.
We thank you for joining us. And, um, anything, any else,
any other things you wanna close with
before we end the recording?
If you want my recipe, just go back about 10 minutes
and, and just clip that out.
It's, you can also put ca you can also put chocolate. Yeah.
You can also put, um, uh, cacao
and cayenne and cinnamon.
Perfect amount in your coffee.
Well, we're gonna have to have a coffee
and ice cream meetup soon. No.
Yeah, I'm down. Help me in,
Um, I just would like to say that, uh, my wife
and I have an organization, it,
it was named Pause Your Life for many years.
We just switched the name now.
It's called Lightness Meditation.
We have local meetups in Colorado Springs, but,
and we also do two live streams, um,
two meditation live streams each week.
So it's lightness meditation.org, and, uh,
but anyway, the name change is
what I really wanted to alert people to.
Beautiful. Yep. And I'll send that link out to people
and it's a beautiful thing just
to sit, sit together and meditate.
I was thinking maybe our next show we could, uh,
do a silent one hour and a half meditation.
That is Chris's show. Just hop on Chris.
Well, it's not that long though.
That's, that's a little lengthy there, right there. Oh
No, I, I think it will be fine.
What about Ascend and everything?
You could, could, we could do a, a 30 seconds
of positive affirmation to try to actually
alter our own molecules towards one another.
I am amazing. I feel, can
I just point out how what you are,
when I first brought up the name Mike in the meat suits,
everybody just was like, oh my God, that's crazy.
But now everybody loves it.
I still think it's crazy. It's just, it's funny.
You know what I mean? Because we are Right.
We're we're meat suits
that just happen to have souls. Right,
Right. This
has been great. Thank
You. Thank you. So-called
Meat Suits for joining me. Take care.